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Beer Is Cheaper In the US Than Anywhere Else In the World

derekmead writes "It's frustrating to drop $7 on a pint of beer in New York City, as it turns out, Americans have the cheapest beer on Earth. International bank UBS gathered data about the median wages and average retail prices of a 500mL (pint) beer in 150 countries. Those data were compiled to figure out how many minutes of work it takes the average worker of a country to earn enough money to buy a beer. It's funny that UBS analysts are spending time looking at beer, but considering that beer is beloved and nigh essential everywhere, it offers an interesting comparison between commodities and wages. For example, India tops the least, with the median worker having to work nearly an hour to afford a pint thanks to extremely low wages. In the U.S. however, where wages are relatively high and the cost of the average beer is quite low (thanks to those super-massive macrobreweries out there), it takes the median worker about five minutes of labor to afford a retail (store-, not bar-bought) pint. That's the shortest amount of time in the world, which means that, relatively speaking, beer is cheaper here than anywhere else." OK, UBS: Now please repeat the research with coffee.

633 comments

  1. Vodka is better by VodkaGuy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Vodka is better than beer. It gives a nice warm kick and you don't need to go piss all the time. Many of the Russian vodkas all so have a nice little taste to them.

    Besides, why do they compare the price of a pint? Where I live and travel, pint is always more expensive than 0,33l or 0,66l glass beer bottles. I don't know how it's in the US, but maybe it's that and they overlooked the fact?

    1. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Vodka is pointless.

    2. Re:Vodka is better by sarysa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.

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    3. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the Russian Mafia doesn't poison the supply with Methanol Alcohol laced Vodka...

    4. Re:Vodka is better by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Vodka is better than beer. It gives a nice warm kick and you don't need to go piss all the time. Many of the Russian vodkas all so have a nice little taste to them.

      Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Vodka is a proof that Satan wants you not to remember being happy under the table. Sincerely Yours, Ben Franklin

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    5. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't seem like they're not comparing the prices of a single pint container. The term "pint" was a journalistic flourish. They compared the cost of purchasing 500ml of beer, because 500ml is the typical amount of a glass at Oktoberfest. So, in the US you'd probably need to purchase ~1 2/5 cans of regular swill to get 500ml, considering that the cheapest and most common beer comes in 355ml cans.

    6. Re:Vodka is better by metalgamer84 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not everyone likes distilled liquors such as Vodka. I have no stomach for it and do not enjoy it in the slightest.

      Beer on the other hand I enjoy greatly. I stick to mainly micro and craft brews. I don't drink my beer to get drunk, I drink it because I enjoy the many many different flavor profiles possible with different types of beers and ingredients used. You sound like the typical youth of today, the only way to drink is in excess and the only reason to drink is to get drunk. Grow up and mature a bit, the world doesn't need more irresponsible alcoholics.

    7. Re:Vodka is better by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      We don't buy beer sold in 11 packs (Metric beers short you 1/12). 12 fluid ounces or fuckoff. Most foreign brewers don't take us for fools. Steinlager is a notable exception, bad beer and 11 packs.

      Also note: the US government doesn't do one of the true proper functions of government. We don't have pint cops checking bar glasses for capacity. Hence almost every pint glass served in the USA is a short pint.

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    8. Re:Vodka is better by Jose · · Score: 5, Funny

      Vodka is better than beer.

      I'm surprised to hear you say that VodkaGuy...I had you pegged as more of a wine-drinking-guy.

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    9. Re:Vodka is better by kelemvor4 · · Score: 0

      There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.

      Beer tastes good (well, not Budweiser - but real beers), you have to mix vodka with other things to make it tolerable.

    10. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.

      There's only one kind of person who thinks there is but a single use for alcohol.

      An alcoholic.

      Have fun with your "less" vomiting and hangovers. I'll stick with no puking and more pleasure, or perhaps choose alternatives that don't cause a blatant poisoning effect on my body.

    11. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 2

      You may find that you'll get beer at the Oktoberfest by the liter. And it costs nearly 10 Euros.
      Prosit!

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    12. Re:Vodka is better by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Same way I serve it at my house.
      You should see the looks some guests have when I hand them a liter mass. I know I spelled it wrong, but slashdot surely would not accept the correct letter.

    13. Re:Vodka is better by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      No, American beers short you.

      A proper beer is 500ml or 1L. A 330/335 is for children.

    14. Re:Vodka is better by sarysa · · Score: 1

      Either an alcoholic, or a socially awkward borderline aspy, which a lot of us here are.

      But I guess I was wrong, there's two purposes as far as I'm concerned: To pretend that you're just like everyone else, or to become inebriated enough that you don't care that you're not. I guess I have a low tolerance for beer because I can achieve less than the latter goal and still end up puking with a headache.

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    15. Re:Vodka is better by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I'm not a drinker, but it seems to me that alcohol consumption is as much a social activity as anything. And how long does it take you to consume a shot of vodka? That's why people go out for a beer after work, not just drinking: they can hang out with their friends, complain about the boss, argue about sports, etc., while they sip their beers.

      (I live in a town where beer is a key part of local culture. My being a teetotaler is one of two big reasons I feel like an outsider, the other being my lack of tatoos.)

      And if you ask for a glass of draft beer in a bar, it will be a pint, though the exact meaning of the word varies.

    16. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      For absolute awesomeness you will have to go to Munich around nowish and steal a beer mug(or a dozen) in the Armbrustschuetzenzelt. Fill it up with Bud Light and tell your guests how once upon a time one of the best beers known to man had been contained in that mug and now it is filled with goat piss.
      You might be hit by a meteor shower and a couple of gas giants for this heinous act. God allegedly hates blasphemy.

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    17. Re:Vodka is better by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers.

      Not true. I buy the cheap vodka, and I use it for 2 things: cleaning and making beer. It's not really drinkable.

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    18. Re:Vodka is better by tom17 · · Score: 1

      Prefer the Augustinerzelt meself.

    19. Re:Vodka is better by mellon · · Score: 1

      Yuck. Anyway, I think the problem here is that they keep using the word "beer." I think the word does not mean what they think it means.

    20. Re:Vodka is better by VodkaGuy · · Score: 1

      you have to mix vodka with other things to make it tolerable.

      No you don't. It's perfect with a few ice blocks to chill it. Only vodka and ice.

    21. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers.

      Not true. I buy the cheap vodka, and I use it for 2 things: cleaning and making beer. It's not really drinkable.

      You forget the third use for cheap vodka:

      Refilling the empty bottles of expensive vodka.

    22. Re:Vodka is better by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I just buy the Paulaner October Fest cans that come with the Liter glasses.

      I would never serve that kind of beer at my house.

    23. Re:Vodka is better by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

      569ml is the proper unit of measurement for beer =)

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    24. Re:Vodka is better by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No, in a bar it should be 1L :)
      In a bottle 500ml.

    25. Re:Vodka is better by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      You buy a beer. They fill the glass, you pay the price. Don't need no cops for this. We don't order beer by the PINT here, or by 12oz. We buy it by a glass, and we know that glasses have different sizes. My favorite restaurant has 20oz glasses, which they fill nearly to the rim, and I pay them for it, and drink it an not care if it is 0.25 ounce over or under. I don't care.

      Why does everything need to be a freaking federal case?

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    26. Re:Vodka is better by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better yet, just keep your vodka in the freezer and drink it straight.

    27. Re:Vodka is better by pwizard2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Vodka is better than beer. It gives a nice warm kick and you don't need to go piss all the time.

      Scotch (or even a decent bourbon) does the same thing and actually has some complexity. Vodka is too sterile and lifeless for me... it's good in drinks but I can't imagine drinking it straight.

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    28. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't buy much beer in 12 packs either. Most beer worth drinking doesn't come in 12 packs. The good beers come in 6 packs, the better beers come in 4 packs,
      and the best beers come in single bottles. Those bottles might be 12oz or 22oz, or they might be 500ml or 750ml, or sometimes the smaller 330ml size you refer to. I buy mostly American made beer, as it's most abundant in the US and very good, and very well priced. A $5 imported beer might taste like a $3 American one. Whatever your favorite European style is, you can probably find an American microbrewery imitating it. You may or may not like it better, but it's worth a shot. Buy good beer, good beer should cost at retail at least $2 per 12oz. I will often pay 4,5,6,$7 or more, for a 22oz bottle, and have paid 10, $11 for a 750ml bottle. retail prices. These would cost you 2 to 3 times more at a bar if you found one that served it. If you want your beer to come in 12 packs and cost less than $15, you aren't buying real beer. You can buy 2 6 packs for $20 if it's a local beer, from your same state, not shipped across country.

    29. Re:Vodka is better by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Whoosh.

      Checking the size of beer glasses is far more useful then 99% of what the government actually does. Would you be upset if you found the 20oz glass only held 19oz's? When does it become a lie? 16oz?

      Most restaurants short the steak weights too.

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    30. Re:Vodka is better by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      You sound like the typical youth of today, the only way to drink is in excess and the only reason to drink is to get drunk. Grow up and mature a bit, the world doesn't need more irresponsible alcoholics.

      63 year old Hank Williams, Jr. thanks you for that overreaching generalization. He has never felt more youthful, or more immature.

    31. Re:Vodka is better by MachDelta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here on Slashdot, we should all be drinking rum since rum is what pirates drink and everyone knows nerds love pirates.
      And ninjas. But sake is nasty, i'll stick to the rum myself.

    32. Re:Vodka is better by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Even a borderline aspy can appreciate the evidence that moderate drinking is correlated with increased longevity. This may or may not be causative, but one or two drinks per day is unlikely to hurt.

      And good beer is tasty too. Far better than the synthetically flavored highly acidic sugar water that so many people drink. To your health!

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    33. Re:Vodka is better by xevioso · · Score: 2

      And were will you get Bud Light in Munich? Is it even sold there? If so, why?

    34. Re:Vodka is better by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Whoosh whoosh. No one here cares what # of oz the glass holds. The question is whether or not I'm getting enough beer for my purchase. I don't care if they lie to me; the amount of beer int he glass does not lie. If I am charged 7$ for something that is in a half-pint glass and isn't a Belgian beer, I will complain. The # of oz advertised or pored is irrelevant.

    35. Re:Vodka is better by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, because of the name clash between Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch) and Budweiser (Budvar), Anheuser-Busch is not allowed to sell a beer called "Budweiser" in Germany (and in some other european countries).

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    36. Re:Vodka is better by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Beer tastes like crap. There is just a lot of group think behind it.

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    37. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Besides, why do they compare the price of a pint?"

      American beers taste like piss anyway, no matter the measure.

    38. Re:Vodka is better by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I don't drink my beer to get drunk, I drink it because I enjoy the many many different flavor profiles possible with different types of beers and ingredients used.

      Indeed; if you're drinking vodka or whiskey you're doing it only to get drunk. If you're drinking beer, it's most likely because you like beer (yep, that's me).

    39. Re:Vodka is better by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      So fraud's fine as long as the buyer doesn't notice?

    40. Re:Vodka is better by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      I love Budvar. (they call it Czechvar in the states for the same reason Anheuser-Busch can't call their shit "Budweiser" in Europe) Unfortunately, it's become impossible to find Czechvar lately... I haven't seen any for at least a year. Awhile back, I heard rumor that Anheuser-Bush was going to start importing Czechvar... maybe that's why I haven't seen any lately! Fortunately Sam Adam's Noble Pils is just as good.

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    41. Re:Vodka is better by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      And if you ask for a glass of draft beer in a bar, it will be a pint, though the exact meaning of the word varies.

      Not here in Springfield, if you go to D'Arcy's for a Guiness, you get a pint of draft, but anywhere else you get nine ounces of whatever. Usually on Wednesdays I'll drink bottled at Felbers, because they only charge $1.50 for a 12 oz bottle on that day, which is the same price as a $1.25 9 oz draft.

    42. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How in the world did you get modded insightful? Why has nobody modded this troll?

      Maybe, just maybe, some people ENJOY the taste of Vodka... say for example, vodka and orange juice. Perhaps some people simply dislike the taste of most beers. Or all beers. Or dislike the carbonation. Or anything else.

      I myself prefer absinthe. Am I some alcoholic psychopath who enjoys seeing hallucinations? No, because that's a fucking stereotype (or amalgam of several, since you associate hard alcohol of all sorts with being an alcoholic). Absinthe hasn't (in this continent) been hallucinogenic since decades and decades ago. I however love the taste of it, and the fun of preparing it (no, it doesn't involve fire, you wouldn't waste good absinthe like that. That's called bohemian style, which doesn't even use actual absinthe... it uses absinth (note the lack of E at the end)).

      But no, you enjoy having to drink half a liter of carbonated liquid sugar to feel a buzz (it's not called a beer belly for nothing). I'll enjoy sipping on my drink over here, thanks.

    43. Re:Vodka is better by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

      Steinlager bad? Not accordng to the judging panels.

      (from http://www.steinlager.com/Our-History/Awards)

      Steinlager won the Les Amis Du Vin competition four years in a row from 1977 to 1980, after which the organisers politely asked if it could refrain from entering "to give the others a chance".

      In 1985 at the Brewers' International Exhibition in London, Steinlager was judged the 'World's Best Lager'.

      In 1998 Steinlager was awarded two Le Monde Selection gold medals in Belgium.

      In 2005 Steinlager again won gold at the Le Monde awards.

      More recently Steinlager won a gold medal and 'Best in Class' in the lager division at the 2006 Australian International Beer Awards.

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    44. Re:Vodka is better by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2

      So, in the US you'd probably need to purchase ~1 2/5 cans of regular swill to get 500ml, considering that the cheapest and most common beer comes in 355ml cans.

      Actually, most major brands are also available in 16 oz. (473ml) "tall boy" cans, and they're often marginally cheaper in that package than in 12 oz. containers. (Probably because it's positioned as being a slightly "lower class" product.)

    45. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, cause I was there in 2010 and it didn't cost no 10 euros for a bier.

    46. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disclaimer: I'm not German, but I live very close to the German border. The Eszett glyph (ß) can be replaced with ss, so a Mass should be the same as a Maß.

    47. Re:Vodka is better by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Okay, finally, someone else said it. I can't stand the taste of hops.

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    48. Re:Vodka is better by Sepodati · · Score: 1

      I like to sip on a couple fingers of whiskey, scotch, bourbon or rum with my cigars. Not doing it to get drunk, but enjoy the flavors just like with beer.

      I don't know anyone that does that with Vodka, though...

    49. Re:Vodka is better by Fritzed · · Score: 1

      This is true about most things where the taste "has to grow on you".

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    50. Re:Vodka is better by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

      No, beer is utterly delicious, you just don't like it.

      Oh, unless you mean mainstream American beer, which I agree, does taste like crap and is justifiably the cheapest in the world.

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    51. Re:Vodka is better by mjwx · · Score: 2

      There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.

      Beer tastes good (well, not Budweiser - but real beers), you have to mix vodka with other things to make it tolerable.

      You simply haven't had good Vodka.

      Vodka is like whiskey, good whiskey does not need to be mixed, crap whiskey should never be drunk straight. I think this is true for most spirits.

      That cheap arse bottle of Smirnoff is not good vodka. Neither is Absolut.

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    52. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in Spain, and many other places. 33cc glasses are the most common, beside a tapa, or 25cc if you're taking it easy.

    53. Re:Vodka is better by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Vodka is better than beer. It gives a nice warm kick and you don't need to go piss all the time.

      Scotch (or even a decent bourbon) does the same thing and actually has some complexity. Vodka is too sterile and lifeless for me... it's good in drinks but I can't imagine drinking it straight.

      I agree with you on Scotch and Bourbon, but not with Vodka. If you're experience is only with the cheap arse Smirnoff vodka I can imagine why you feel that way but just like Scotch a decent vodka is great to drink straght. A good straight liquor doesn't burn on the way down, good vodka is like this and has more a more subtle flavour than Scotch it can be easily mixed with other flavours such as fruits, coffee, and butterscotch to name a few.

      Living in Western Australia there are a few specialty distillers around here that produce some very good quality vodkas that is a crime to mix.

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    54. Re:Vodka is better by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      ...and that's fine.

      I'm sure that you probably don't like the taste of coffee or chocolate, either. If you partake in either of those, you probably load it up with milk, sugar and/or other flavourings to disguise the taste of the bean.

      Personally, I don't mind, and can appreciate the subtleties in, good quality bitter foods. This doesn't make me superior to you in any way. "I don't like it" or "I can't stand it" is not the same thing as "anyone who likes it is the victim of groupthink".

      Yeah, megaswill lager is awful stuff. Especially the American stuff. Which, incidentally, is a lasting side-effect of prohibition. Most of the breweries shut down, and when prohibition was lifted, only a few remained. The lack of competition resulted in a cheaper, inferior product, and the rest is history. Tying it into TFA, that is almost certainly one of the reasons why beer is so cheap.

      FWIW, I can't stand the taste of strawberries. Go figure.

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    55. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      I think Budvar can't be called Budweiser since the Budweiser trademark is older. This dispute has been going on for ages and won't be settled anytime soon.
      In the meantime Annheuser-Busch has diluted the trademark so much one could argue that it isn't a badge of quality anymore.

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    56. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you can. I never saw it since because why would I look for it? There was a beer retailer in my block and they sold Augustiner. There. Job done. Splendid.

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    57. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      They've been constantly raising the prices and this has been subject of endless arguments. Remember: there were beer riots over the beer prices in Bavaria not too long ago.
      Now the riots still happen in form of angry letters to the yellow press. And politicians who are up for reelection greedily scoop the issue up.
      The current price is around 9 Euro 50 cents. Plus deposit for the mug.

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    58. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      You do not want to get drunk on whiskey. The stuff that gives it its flavour is also that wich will make you feel hungover.
      And you might look like a complete arse if you simply quaffed it.

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    59. Re:Vodka is better by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Tin cans? You know that beer in tin cans is effectively dead? The canning process involves more heat than beer is supposed to survive. Don't do that. Pasteurization is bad for beer.
      In fact if you drink tin-canned beer in Germany people will immediately consider you base, low-brow, uneducated, unemployed, desitute and possibly of dubious body hygiene. Unless of course you are a punk. In which case tin-cans are absolutely acceptable.

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    60. Re:Vodka is better by Sique · · Score: 4, Informative

      When Budvar registered the Budweiser brand in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1895, they were the first to do so. And Budvar is incorporated in Budweis (as it was called then), and thus they had a natural right to describe their beer as being "from Budweis" or "being Budweiser". Anheuser-Busch didn't intervene, though they had the Budweiser brand registered in the U.S. since 1860. No one even thought in 1895, that this could lead to any problems, Anheuser-Busch selling their beer in North America, and Budvar serving the European market. It wasn't until the 1920ies before Anheuser-Busch Budweiser even reached Europe.

      Even today, it's still possible to have the same trademark for the same product class registered to different entities in different countries.

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    61. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taste is subjective, so saying "Beer tastes good" is just as valid as saying "Shit tastes good". What, some people eat it and enjoy it, so clearly it must taste great, right?

      Beer "tastes good" because people get used to the taste, and they get used to the taste because it's usually the first/cheapest/most social way to get a buzz going when they start drinking.

      Meanwhile vodka tastes good because some people understand this and grow up, and realize that if they get used to the taste of something stronger they don't have to drink as much, they don't have to deal with as much hangovers and vomiting, and all that.

      It's also worth noting that while a lot of people think vodka doesn't have a taste besides alcohol, this is only true for the cheap crap most people in say the US get to try at some point. When you go to countries in northern europe or russian states where vodka is a very special thing, you'll find a range of vodka with various flavours, various quality, and so on. Just like for beer.

      So no, beer doesn't "taste good", nor do people have to "mix vodka with other things to make it tolerable". But YOU might. Now grow up and realize that this doesn't make it a universal truth, just your own personal flavour of indoctrination.

    62. Re:Vodka is better by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      I also usually "choose alternatives that don't cause a blatant poisoning effect on my body." Like water, soft drinks, and so on.

      Unless of course I want the effects of alcohol on my system, relaxing with a beer or a drink, some verbal lubrication and so on.

        Arguing that the only distinguishable difference between a non-alcoholic option and an alcoholic option is alcohol sounds like a pretty solid argument to me. Alcoholic drinks does not TASTE better, they are just more pleasant to drink due to the effects. You can argue differently if you wish,. but since taste is subjective and alcoholic drinks much like coffee and cigarettes and other poisons are an acquired taste, you would be arguing from a pretty weak position.

      And feel free to call me an alcoholic - I drink alcohol of any kind maybe twice a year on average, so if that makes an alcoholic I'm quite comfortable being one.

    63. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And not everyone likes beer, nor does everyone who prefers vodka or other distilled liquors drink irresponsibly. I think beer tastes horrid myself, but then I never grew up in a beer drinking culture so I never got indoctrinated with the need to acquire that taste. When I reached a drinking age I tried different things, and found vodka to be the least offensive alcoholic addition to a drink.

      Of course the purpose of drinking alcoholic drinks is the effect of alcohol. Not necessarily to get drunk, but to "relax" or "loosen up". If it wasn't, we might as well be drinking non-alcoholic alternatives.

      As a man in my 40s I would argue that "maturing" doesn't equal "get with the program", but rather "think for yourself". The kind of blanket statements you make seems to indicate you have some problems in this department.

    64. Re:Vodka is better by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      True, it's way better to put vodka in the trap on top of the fermentation bottle than water. Water can let bacteria and fungi through alive, vodka kills them. Some people in my guild use water with a bit of disinfectant (machine washing up powder), but I don't want to risk spilling it into my beer when I remove the trap. At times I can be very clumsy and a beer with a soapy taste to it would suck.

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    65. Re:Vodka is better by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Beers are sold in larger glasses when anticipating shitty service. 1 litre is too large - by the time you finish it, it's warm.

    66. Re:Vodka is better by ignavus · · Score: 1

      Here on Slashdot, we should all be drinking rum since rum is what pirates drink and everyone knows nerds love pirates.
      And ninjas. But sake is nasty, i'll stick to the rum myself.

      Looking forward to "Drink Like a Pirate" day.

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    67. Re:Vodka is better by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You know that I am just trying to get the glasses the cheapest way possible?

      The beer is just something that goes in the fridge for whoever wants it. Generally I am serving beer I made, which I of course do not pasteurize.

      Why when I am in Germany would I ever drink canned beer? I am going into bars and ordering by style only. I want the local beer in that case. In the states though almost all beer is sadly pasteurized.

    68. Re:Vodka is better by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Beer should not be ice cold anyway. If it takes you that long to drink a beer maybe you should stick to tea and crumpets, Nancy.

    69. Re:Vodka is better by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      The "20oz." glass holds "approximately" 20 ounces when full. I trust that the glass maker makes a proper 20 ounce glass, and that the bar fills it to logical capacity. IF anyone is to blame for selling 19 oz beers in "20 oz" glasses, it should be the people making the glasses, not the guy at the tap.

      If you want to be a dick about things, why not simply require a fill marker on the edge of the glass marking the "full measured serving size" of the glass. But again, government policing of beer glasses is not my idea of "proper role" for government.

      What eventually will happen, is that the glasses will be of "unspecified" capacity, and you'll buy a beer, and it if is too little for your money, you'll stop going there.

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    70. Re:Vodka is better by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Real men keep their vodka in the freezer (in Russia, in the outer coat pocket) and don't dilute it with lumps of ice.

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    71. Re:Vodka is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never bought a 12-pack of Olympia, eh? That's a popular American beer that gives you twelve 11-ounce bottles in a 12-pack.

    72. Re:Vodka is better by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I want to live in the world where crap tastes like that...

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    73. Re:Vodka is better by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      The only beer taste that has to grow on you are American "major" brews such as budweiser, coors, and a couple of others. It's just a way for people to accept it's bad flavor and dumb it down in their brain.

      Aside from that, I've tasted beers that taste better than food itself!

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    74. Re:Vodka is better by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Nice passive aggressive way to try and "prove" beer doesn't taste good.

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    75. Re:Vodka is better by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Talk about generalization.
      That's like a bicyclist saying they use a bike to enjoy the weather and get to work, where if you drive a car you just want to kill people.

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    76. Re:Vodka is better by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      (insert rhetorical rebuttal in reverse of what was just said, yet a very personal choice but spoken as a global truth)

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    77. Re:Vodka is better by Fritzed · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you need better food.

      Find a child that has never tasted beer, give them a sip of the best, most wonderful tasting beer you have ever had without telling them that it is beer or that it is a "cool" drink. I guarantee you that they will spit it out immediately because it has a taste closer to that of rancid deer piss then what they would think of as a nice refreshing beverage.

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  2. Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.

    1. Re:Incidentally... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.

      It's certainly true of the large breweries. The micro brews (which are extremely common now days) are much better; although they're also much more expensive.

    2. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.

      i rather drink water than american beer lol

    3. Re:Incidentally... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.

      Well, there's BEER, as in Bud, Coors and various other mega brews, who use who knows what (Bud uses rice) in adjuncts, most of the money going into marketing is denied in going into product.

      Then there are craft brewers who make Ales, Stouts, Porters, Lagers and so on with the finest barley, hops and water they can muster. You'll see them competing in the categories which really matter at the GABF Many of the small brewers can hold more than a candle to their European counterparts, who are under threat these days from cheap lagers from France (some people just want to get under the table and don't care how.) At least in Germany you are still guaranteed fair ales for your money, thanks to the Reinheitsgebot. A real pity the USA didn't take something like that onto the Constitution.

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    4. Re:Incidentally... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Not necessarily.

      Sure, if you go with the stuff from Budwiser, Coors...etc.

      But most areas here these days, seem to have good local breweries...in my area we have great beers from:

      Abita

      NOLA (New Orleans Lager and Ale Brewing Company )

      Bayou Teche Brewing

      Heiner Brau

      Parish Brewing Company

      Tin Roof Brewing Company

      And hell..that's just around New Orleans.....come visit Cooter Brown's or one of the Bulldog's here in town, and get a taste of a number of great beers (by the pint or bottle).

      And...nicely enough....if you want to have a smoke in a bar down here while having a drink....well, we're still free down here for people to make their own decisions about such things.

      :)

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    5. Re:Incidentally... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Here in Californy we have Stone, Anderson Valley, Sierra Nevada, Lagunitas, Anchor and dozens more. There's at least two in the the small-ish city I live in, who make top quality ales. We can even get some of these things in quantity for low prices at the local CostCo.

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    6. Re:Incidentally... by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      Hell I live in the Bible Belt in a state called Arkansas and we have a brewery. Golden Bear. They actually make a pretty good beer. I still prefer Sam Adams seasonal varieties or Fat Tires crafts, though.

    7. Re:Incidentally... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Absolutely wrong. There is an incredible variety of small breweries that make great beer and you can find many of them even at your average grocery store. Go to a specialty liqueur store and you can multiply that variety by 10 or more.

      Before 1979 it was illegal to make beer in small batches (no joke) and this is where American beer got the bad reputation because only a handful of big companies were able to make beer (Bud, Coors, Miller....) and thanks to the government obtained control of the market and brought the quality way down. Since that was repealed there was an explosion of home brewing which then expanded into small business and microbreweries so that today there are over 1,400 breweries in the US making every possible type and flavor of beer imaginable.

      I would actually go so far as to say that the American beer is now the best in the world as evidenced by the international competitions where the US beers dominate.

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    8. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're obviously not drinking Shiner Bock.

    9. Re:Incidentally... by camg188 · · Score: 1

      ...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world

      That's simply not true. It just means you drink the crappy brands. Try a Two Hearted Ale.

    10. Re:Incidentally... by MacColossus · · Score: 1

      Sam Adams and Yuengling are actually quite good. Budweiser is Belgian, Coors and Miller are South African. I giggle when people complain about American beer because they don't realize the worst swill we produce has been purchased by other countries.

    11. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can laugh all you want while I enjoy my $3 pints of Guinness in Manhattan. No joke, people.

    12. Re:Incidentally... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I would actually go so far as to say that the American beer is now the best in the world as evidenced by the international competitions where the US beers dominate.

      Since, from a brief skim, it looks like 7-8 out of 10 competitors are American, that's hardly surprising. It's called the World Beer Cup - but in reality, it's the American Beer Cup.

    13. Re:Incidentally... by AshFan · · Score: 1

      Good thing there are no polititians smart enough to read Slashdot, or we would be looking at some new, "World economy infrastructure beer stabilization" taxation.

    14. Re:Incidentally... by afidel · · Score: 1

      There are five micro's just around Fayetteville (one of the podcasts I listen to is based out of the area and they've been featuring the local homebrewers who went pro in the last two years). There are over 2,000 micro and craft breweries in the US and we're adding about 200 net new breweries per year. We're not up to the breweries per capita of Germany, but we're on a trajectory to catch them by the end of the decade. If you can't find a local brew you like you either don't like beer or you aren't trying.

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    15. Re:Incidentally... by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Correction, there are over 2,000 micro and craft breweries in the US today and we're adding them at a bit over 200 net new breweries per year. That's 50% more than Germany and even on a per-capita basis we're projected to pass them by the end of the decade. It really is a good time to be a beer lover in America =)

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    16. Re:Incidentally... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's certainly true of the large breweries. The micro brews (which are extremely common now days) are much better

      You know, I did my best to accommodate the beer snobs, but I have found, again and again, that on a hot day barbeque at the summer house, the cooler with the watery Pabst macro brew seems to empty out first.

      And when you see someone at Comiskey nursing a room-temperature micro-boutique "pils" that has some too-clever name, you can be pretty sure that their tickets are being written off as a business expenditure and they're not really a Sox fan. They probably use a moisturizer around the eyes before bed, too (if you catch my drift).

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    17. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US breweries floods competitions to sucker people like you that "We're #1, We're #1". The reality is most breweries elsewhere don't bother with pointless competitions. Before the America "beer" companies took an interest, there were much fewer categories. Just like the American kids that have to get medals and trophies just for signing up to a team in any sport irrespective of whether they actually won any games, let alone cups and leagues. The competitions have created additional sections to make more "winners".

      Until you can go into a bar and have a proper beer pulled from its own barrel, which changes by what is being made at the time of year, American beer will remain the laughing stock of "beers" by drinkers around the world. Right now, Americans are terrified of something that doesn't come out of the same nozzle, and have a "lite" or "bud" badge above the button.

    18. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Now, if the survey calculated time to % alcohol by volume instead of per beer, it would take Americans twice as long because their beer is so comparatively weak.

    19. Re:Incidentally... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I would actually go so far as to say that the American beer is now the best in the world as evidenced by the international competitions where the US beers dominate.

      When the majority of the entrants are from one country, is it a surprise the majority of the winners are from the same?

    20. Re:Incidentally... by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      i rather drink water than american beer lol

      That's like saying you'd rather eat bacon instead of something that came from a pig.

    21. Re:Incidentally... by petsounds · · Score: 1

      Before 1979 it was illegal to make beer in small batches (no joke) and this is where American beer got the bad reputation because only a handful of big companies were able to make beer (Bud, Coors, Miller....) and thanks to the government obtained control of the market and brought the quality way down. Since that was repealed there was an explosion of home brewing which then expanded into small business and microbreweries so that today there are over 1,400 breweries in the US making every possible type and flavor of beer imaginable.

      Let's give credit where it's due -- it was President Jimmy Carter who repealed the Prohibition-era laws designed to prevent homebrewing.

    22. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you can go into a bar and have a proper beer pulled from its own barrel, which changes by what is being made at the time of year, American beer will remain the laughing stock of "beers" by drinkers around the world. Right now, Americans are terrified of something that doesn't come out of the same nozzle, and have a "lite" or "bud" badge above the button.

      Not sure what you mean by "out of the same nozzle" since even when you get a Bud vs Coors at Applebees they come out of different fake pseudo-taps for each type and at no point are the lines joined(is that what you mean by the same nozzle?)

      Anyway, I can get a locally produced IPA pulled from its own barrel at the crappy bar attached to the bowling alley near my house. Have you ever drank beer in America or just watched movies where they do?

    23. Re:Incidentally... by xevioso · · Score: 1

      You have a brewpub in Little Rock that is very good. I went there last year. One of the best I've been to, actually, on the Arkansas River. They had quite a few good microbrews available. Nothing to be ashamed of in Arkansas on the beer front.

    24. Re:Incidentally... by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Can you tell me where, so I can laugh and enjoy the $3 Guinness?

    25. Re:Incidentally... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      This is not a funny comment, it is an insightful one.
      Not only is just crappy bear, but it is also watered down beer.

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    26. Re:Incidentally... by xevioso · · Score: 1

      This is simply false, and a sign of incredible ignorance. America has the best beer, hands down. By far. The Germans, for example, have laws determining how your beer is produced and it can only be made a certain way. While their beers are good, this LIMITS the types of beers and variety they can produce.

      On this alone the US is better than any country in the world; we have huge varieties of beet that are produced, and many of them truly are the best in the world. You can't brush of the US just because we win competitions others don't attend; that's what the French did with regards to wine in the 70's and 80's until we came over there and kicked their ass.

    27. Re:Incidentally... by justinlindh · · Score: 1

      Before 1979 it was illegal to make beer in small batches (no joke)

      Interesting side-note: It was President Jimmy Carter that changed this law. Carter, himself, was a teetotaler.

    28. Re:Incidentally... by Xtifr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just because our big native breweries have been bought by foreign investors doesn't mean they've changed the traditional recipes. Bud and Coors are still as American as ... polysorbate 60.

      Sam Adams is meh. Better that the bland, tasteless crap produced by the big guys, but only "quite good" if your standards are quite low. For American breweries that predate the microbrew explosion and actually have flavor, I'll take Anchor Steam, thanks. And even they're not as good as the good American beers that are available these days.

      The thing is that "American beer" can have two meanings. If you mean "beer made in America", then yes, there's plenty that's quite passable (including even Sam Adams), but I think it can also be used in the sense of "American cheese", as a description of a style of beer that is utterly flavorless, except perhaps for a few hints of nastyness, as exemplified by Bud and Coors.

    29. Re:Incidentally... by westyvw · · Score: 1

      FALSE. I have been around the world. The US, particularly Portland, Washington, California, and Colorado, beat the rest of the world by miles for beer. You are simply wrong.

    30. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but I bet they're not the cheapest.

    31. Re:Incidentally... by pspahn · · Score: 1
      • Avery
      • Odell's
      • Stone
      • Anchor Steam
      • Lagunitas
      • Dale's
      • Deschutes

        The list just keeps going and going.

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    32. Re:Incidentally... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This is why it's cheaper here I think. We have tons of cheap beer. And by cheap I mean both inexpensive and low quality. This drops the average price drastically.

    33. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bud(Belgium), Miller (UK), Coors (Canada) ... American beer?

    34. Re:Incidentally... by Loopy · · Score: 1

      When the majority of the entrants are from one country, is it a surprise the majority of the winners are from the same?

      With the presumption that you're not being a pedantic jackass and we're only talking about the top 5-10, what does the number of beer contestants have to do with anything?

    35. Re:Incidentally... by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      Until you can go into a bar and have a proper beer pulled from its own barrel, which changes by what is being made at the time of year...

      So, until things "become" the way they have been for at least the last couple of decades? Because that's an accurate description of a lot of bars and pubs around here. (Of course, I live fairly close to one of the main epicenters of the microbrew explosions.)

      Heck, there's more than a few bars here in the Bay Area where I can go in, order a beer, and chat with the guy who made it!

    36. Re:Incidentally... by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's probably what people grew up with. Some people for inexplicable reasons will prefer Coors. But it technically wouldn't be considered a real beer in some parts of the world. On the other hand you can go to a lot of ball parks and get decent beer, like Sam Adams or a locally brewed batch (mini-brew if not micro-brew).

    37. Re:Incidentally... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Given the way that disposable incomes work between the US and Europe, I suspect that I can still "pay more" for a good German/Belgian/Czech/Estonian beer here in the States and still be paying less for it than anyone in any of the places were my beer actually came for.

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    38. Re:Incidentally... by bored · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, maybe the mistake is picking micro brews that are too dark. Their is a lot of space between the water that is pabst, and the overtoasted crap on the other side of the spectrum.

      I find that if I can't see my hand through the pint, the beer is hiding something. There is a reason a lot of home brewers do stout, and it has to do with their inability to make a good IPA or amber ale. Those lighter beers are very susceptible to off tastes if everything isn't super clean, and the trub isn't removed fairly quickly.

      BTW: Finally, any beer that is lighter than a light amber color is probably heavily cut with rice or corn... In the case of bud light/etc there is so little barley or hops its hard to call it "beer" with a straight face.

    39. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The World Beer Cup is based in the USA : 736 Pearl St., Boulder, Colorado 80302 USA. So take the result of the competition with a grain of salt...

    40. Re:Incidentally... by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 2

      Lets be realistic shall we. Yes, the US small breweries have improved *significantly* in the last three decades. The US has some *awesome* breweries and beers. But they aren't the only country that does and to say they're the best in the world (despite some competition results) is debatable. Also its not fair to compare a country of 350m + people against one of 100m and saying "nah nah we have more breweries".

      Personally I prefer ales to lagers which means I would pick say a Flying Dog, IPA over a German beer any day. But that's my preference. The UK has huge number of breweries and like the US has this bizarre reputation. Our shit mass produced chemical plant breweries are just a little better than the US shit mass produced chemical plant breweries and I would drink our swill either. But there are small and micro breweries in nearly every town.

      And no our beer isn't warm. That's a misunderstanding (and southern namby pamby thing). Beer should be kept at cellar temperature which in a proper stone cellar in a 300 year old pub is just a few degrees C. Cool but not ice cold. No ale should be ice cold. My current favourite Brit Beers are the Brewdog IPA and the ironically titled Stateside from Saltaire Brewery which is just a walk from my office.

      My favourite beer shop -> http://www.thebeerboy.co.uk/beers.html

    41. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      some people just want to get under the table and don't care how

      This is one thing I've never understood. Yes, it's true that some people just want to get absolutely plastered. Hell, one could argue common. In college, it's damn near a requirement in some social circles there.

      So why in the darkest pits of hell would you want to do so with beer?!? You can't POSSIBLY find a more inefficient liquid than something that's 4.5% alcohol. Great, you just funnelled 3 liters of beer into your stomach. Have fun burping the fizz out for the next several hours, farting what you don't burp, and going for a piss every 30 seconds.

      You can get absolutely, ridiculously cheap vodka or rum or what have you, almost (and sometimes over) a full order of magnitude MORE alcoholic than beer. No gas, significantly less pissing, faster drunk... I just don't understand it.

      Now don't get me wrong... I like the taste of a good beer (emphasis on 'good'... anything mass produced like coors or what have you can be dumped right down the drain in my opinion), but if I was for some bizarre reason in the mood to get plastered, literally ANYTHING else alcoholic would do a better job than cheap beer.

      If there's anyone on slashdot who enjoys getting wasted on cheap beer (unlikely), I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.

    42. Re:Incidentally... by operagost · · Score: 0

      When are we going to stop modding up these weak trolls? No joke, people.

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    43. Re:Incidentally... by bored · · Score: 1
    44. Re:Incidentally... by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      Too many micro brews are made by people with hops fetishes. Don't know why they prefer making undrinkable bitterness. Everytime someone says "here try this, it's great" it ends up having more hops than a rabbit farm.

    45. Re:Incidentally... by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

      Funniest comment in the history of forever!

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    46. Re:Incidentally... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Not only do I believe that your estimate is off, but when there are far more entrants than prizes to be given, how is the number of entrants from a particular region relevant?

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    47. Re:Incidentally... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      In my opinion because it's that close to water. I find a nice ice cold water has the same effect as a nice cold American beer.

    48. Re:Incidentally... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But not his brother, Billy.

    49. Re:Incidentally... by macraig · · Score: 1

      There's that quality-versus-quantity tug-of-war again.

    50. Re:Incidentally... by operagost · · Score: 1

      Let's give truth its due: Carter only signed off on legalizing home brewing, which certainly helped craft brewers get started by allowing them to experiment at home without a state license. However, since the end of prohibition, alcohol regulation has always been primarily under the control of the states.

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    51. Re:Incidentally... by gcore · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a european brewer, who has worked for the two largest breweries in my country, two of the smallest and who currently works with planning and installing two new microbreweries, I don't agree. If someone would ask me what's the most difficult beer to brew, I would say Budweiser (if I'm allowed to exclude lambics). Because making a beer that tastes virtually nothing isn't an easy thing to do. And to have every single bottle taste the same is even harder. American breweries have contributed ALOT to the quality aspect of the brewing industry. I don't drink beer with so little taste myself, but I appreciate the quality aspect of it.

    52. Re:Incidentally... by Woodmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, I've noticed this too. Tho here in GF-W, Newfoundland, the 'beer' of choice is usually Coors Light or Bud Light. Why, I really don't know, but my hypothesis is that there are truly very few BEER drinkers out there anymore. What most people have become are 'soft, fizzy, alcoholic beverage' drinkers; kinda like how many girlies claim to be 'on the wine' when, in reality, they are drinking an overly sweet, fizzy, fruit flavoured spritzer by the name of "Boone's". That shit ain't wine -- it's not bad per se, and I've been know to have a bottle or two over the years, but it's NOT WINE.

      In line with this theory, those who moderate (well, usually :) their consumption tend to enjoy more full bodied beers. Anything with higher malt, hop, etc. content will start to turn on you if you over-indulge (higher calorie content, worse hangovers, dry towel-tongue). Coors can be drank to excess without any of that (hell, I once couldn't even get a buzz on with that shit no matter how I tried.)

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    53. Re:Incidentally... by zazzel · · Score: 2

      Could be because people respond drastically different to the same amounts of bitter substances. I know I don't react to them that much, whereas an ex-girlfriend could taste 1/100th of the concentration I could taste.

    54. Re:Incidentally... by gcore · · Score: 1

      No, not more than the US has. If you are refering to the reinheitsgebot, it's not a law anymore. Haven't been for decades.

    55. Re:Incidentally... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Here's a free clue for you, since you seem so badly in need of one: If the majority of the entrants are from a particular region, then the odds increase the winner will come from that region whether justified or not. (Duh.)

    56. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things like Reinheitsgebot are nigh unamerican as far as the level of regulation is concerned (whether that is good or bad is for you to decide)

    57. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article compares with many countries, and claims India is the most expensive beer where an hours wage earns you a pint of ... Kingfisher Blue. I'd recommend Bud Light over that.

    58. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Diamond Bear, it's called Diamond Bear...geez get it right! They are in Little Rock and have won Gold at both the GABF and WBC for their Pale Ale.

    59. Re:Incidentally... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see you've never tasted American beer, only Budweiser (Belgium), Coors (Canadian), or Miller (British). Those brands used to be American but all were bought by foreigners. Try a Sam Adams some time, or one of the fine microbrews. Every bit as good as a Bass or Guiness.

    60. Re:Incidentally... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I bet they're not the cheapest.

      Please. It's about quality, not quantity.

      But quantity isn't usually a problem either.

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    61. Re:Incidentally... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      some people just want to get under the table and don't care how

      This is one thing I've never understood. Yes, it's true that some people just want to get absolutely plastered. Hell, one could argue common. In college, it's damn near a requirement in some social circles there.

      So why in the darkest pits of hell would you want to do so with beer?!? You can't POSSIBLY find a more inefficient liquid than something that's 4.5% alcohol. Great, you just funnelled 3 liters of beer into your stomach. Have fun burping the fizz out for the next several hours, farting what you don't burp, and going for a piss every 30 seconds.

      You can get absolutely, ridiculously cheap vodka or rum or what have you, almost (and sometimes over) a full order of magnitude MORE alcoholic than beer. No gas, significantly less pissing, faster drunk... I just don't understand it.

      Now don't get me wrong... I like the taste of a good beer (emphasis on 'good'... anything mass produced like coors or what have you can be dumped right down the drain in my opinion), but if I was for some bizarre reason in the mood to get plastered, literally ANYTHING else alcoholic would do a better job than cheap beer.

      If there's anyone on slashdot who enjoys getting wasted on cheap beer (unlikely), I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this.

      Why beer? Well, probably has something to do with it being available in containers of 15.5 US gallons. I could be wrong.

      BTW, the drink of choise among the local street people is malt liquor.

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    62. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know just enough to sound convincing. Too bad everything you wrote is pure drivel.

    63. Re:Incidentally... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Interesting, I find that Shock-Top (which falls between micro-brew and macro-brew) is always the first to go on a hot day, unless people are being polite.

      I'd say a Victory Prima Pils or Helios are ideal hot weather outside beers too, but Shock Top is the one that people seem to really like en mass, and almost universally prefer over random macro-brew.

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    64. Re:Incidentally... by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Here is the breakdown of countries, and how many different beer each submitted to the competition:

      Argentina (9)
      Australia (49)
      Austria (24)
      Belarus (1)
      Belgium (101)
      Bolivia (4)
      Brazil (45)
      Cambodia (1)
      Canada (191)
      Cayman Islands (3)
      Chile (16)
      China (6)
      Colombia (18)
      Costa Rica (2)
      Croatia (3)
      Cyprus (1)
      Czech Republic (29)
      Denmark (29)
      El Salvador (4)
      France (4)
      Germany (292)
      Guatemala (5)
      Haiti (1)
      Iceland (5)
      India (1)
      Indonesia (1)
      Ireland (5)
      Isle Of Man (4)
      Israel (1)
      Italy (54)
      Japan (96)
      Korea, Republic of (14)
      Latvia (5)
      Lithuania (13)
      Malta (3)
      Mexico (23)
      Moldova, Republic (1)
      Netherlands (15)
      New Zealand (5)
      Norway (13)
      Poland (3)
      Puerto Rico (3)
      Romania (4)
      Russian Federation (11)
      Singapore (20)
      Spain (14)
      Sweden (37)
      Taiwan (1)
      Thailand (1)
      Turkey (2)
      United Kingdom (71)
      Uruguay (2)
      United States (2651)
      Vietnam (2)

      Is it any surprise the US "dominated"?
      Two out of three beers were American.

    65. Re:Incidentally... by steelfood · · Score: 2

      Last time they took alcohol into consideration in the Constitution, it was to ban it. They undid the ban fairly soon afterwards, but I don't think you want a government founded largely on puritan principles to have anything to do with leisure.

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    66. Re:Incidentally... by Rei · · Score: 1

      I was surprised that they didn't include a single scandinavian country in the study. Scandinavian countries are famous for beer-drinking. Also famous for high prices on beer but paying out the nose for it nonetheless.

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    67. Re:Incidentally... by kwoff · · Score: 1

      I have a gluten intolerance, so your "Bud uses rice" parenthetical comment interested me; soooo.... googling/wikipedia-ing, I was somewhat-pleasantly surprised to find that Bud and Corona do have less than 20 ppm gluten, so maybe.....I (or my immune system) could tolerate those (the "research" seems a bit controversial). I do (did) for some reason like Corona, though it's probably safer to stick with wine. Anyway, IMHO wine has a perfect level of alcohol for getting a little buzz going without getting too drunk while at the same time avoiding excess bloating/pissing.

    68. Re:Incidentally... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      The best part about the microbreweries and craft breweries is that they each have their own distinct taste, and they're not afraid to experiment. Meanwhile, the mainland European breweries tend to have very similar tastes (the differences are there, but much more subtle), and largely put out European types of brews.

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    69. Re:Incidentally... by jkflying · · Score: 1

      Random deviation caused by the brewer having an especially good/bad batch, or a judge being in a good mood when they sample the beer, or whatever.

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    70. Re:Incidentally... by Meeni · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I follow you up to the last statement. There are very good microbrews now in the US, and certainly, when the subject is IPA, US brewers are top notch. Still, Belgian and Germans are better. Proper process inherited from traditions can be tasted, and often "belgian style" US production is adventurous (good), to the point of denaturing the product by using improper processes to "enhance" or "flavor" the batch the easy way (additives), instead of the proper way. That being said, the general quality is certainly satisfactory, and sometimes, the creativity pays and this is to be appreciated.

      On the price side, this report is misleading. Crap beers are dirt cheap. But they are crap. Good beers are not that cheap compared to typical European prices.

    71. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live near firestone and have met Matt and drinking all his beers. They are great and very comparable or better to the ones I have had in Europe.

    72. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks to the Reinheitsgebot the other active ingredients that were added before the law passing were banned. It used to be that drinking could make you fly above the table and now you can only slide under it.

    73. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, the US can field 2651 individual beers? That is impressive. Thank you for the information, but I'm not sure it is saying what you want it to.

    74. Re:Incidentally... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wow, the US can field 2651 individual beers? That is impressive. Thank you for the information, but I'm not sure it is saying what you want it to.

      And you think Europe including places like germany can only field a couple hundred?

      The point is, yes, of course the USA can produce some truly great beer. But there "world ranking" based on a contest held in San Diego where anyone foreign had to jump through some FDA hoops just to be allowed in, where 2/3rds of entrants were all american... where most countries didn't even field enough varieties to cover the categories, where the US fielded 10x more beers than other top beer nations, and up to 1000x more varieties than smal countries... the USA was almost BOUND to dominate the rankings unless it showed up with nothing but rank swill.

      If america fields 2500 of its best, and germany fields 250 of its best... well... odds are pretty good that if both America and Germany are at the top of their games, America is going to dominate; purely on statistics... hell even if half the american entrants are garbage they'll still be holding a huge edge.

    75. Re:Incidentally... by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Sam Adams and Yuengling are actually quite good.

      I thought Anakin killed the Yuenglings.

    76. Re:Incidentally... by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

      Proper GB cellar temp is 12-13C and beer should be served at cellar temp. GB styles cellared or served at 'a few C' are an abomination and it's done to hide the bloody awful flavour (or lack of) of a bad beer. Might as well not put hops in it at those temps - and indeed the places fond of superchilling sell insipid, sweet crap instead of beer.

      Even continental beers aren't usually designed to be served that cold.

      Last time I had unlimited quantities of free beer available in the US, it was so cold I couldn't down it quickly enough to get drunk - not helped by the appalling low alcohol content in the mass market crap they'd stuffed into bins full of ice. It never warmed enough to detect if there was any flavour at all in the crap.

    77. Re:Incidentally... by Jerry+Atrick · · Score: 1

      I like that level of hopping but do sometimes wonder if they're just trying to hide an otherwise lacklustre beer behind a palate bludgeoning wall of hop. The original IPAs used excess hops for preservation, the beer was powerfully flavoured before adding them. US craft brewers sometimes seem to forget beer is much more than hop bitterness.

    78. Re:Incidentally... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Diamond Bear, it's called Diamond Bear...geez get it right! They are in Little Rock and have won Gold at both the GABF and WBC for their Pale Ale.

      Well done them!

      Wondered about the name Golden Bear, which is usually referencing Californy or Jack Nicklaus.

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    79. Re:Incidentally... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Is you argument that America naturally makes the best beer since it has more people trying to do so, or that the winner is chosen basically at random from the entrants so winning is simply a matter of stacking the deck?

    80. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slightly OT, but we're starting to see that with the microdistillery movement as well. Distilleries are a bit trickier due to their ability to explode if things aren't properly maintained, but even in WA before the voters loosened up the controls last year, we still had a few micro-distilleries popping up with small batches of liquor.

    81. Re:Incidentally... by kmassare · · Score: 1

      Sam Adams and Yuengling are actually quite good. Budweiser is Belgian, Coors and Miller are South African. I giggle when people complain about American beer because they don't realize the worst swill we produce has been purchased by other countries.

      I think that Yuengling is very good but unfortunately is available only on the East coast.

    82. Re:Incidentally... by MacColossus · · Score: 1

      True.I think Yuengling doesn't ship past Ohio and Georgia. Arrogant Bastard in California is good. Some of the New Glarus beers are good but only available in Wisconsin. From Sam Adams I like the Irish Red, Nobel Pils, and Oktoberfest. Anchor Steam is ok as somebody else pointed out. There are a ton of good American Beers if one looks to the craft beer and local micro brews. If you are in the mood for something besides water, don't buy the foreign owned "American" lagers.

    83. Re:Incidentally... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      ...it's also worse than anywhere else in the world. No joke, people.

      It's certainly true of the large breweries. The micro brews (which are extremely common now days) are much better; although they're also much more expensive.

      Whilst I've had some US specialty beers and they are very nice, I've also had German and Belgian specialty beers which blow them completely out of the water.

      In this regard you aren't comparing like to like, Europe and Australia you can get mass produced beers that are quite good (you've got crap ones like VB, but no-one with half a taste bud drinks those), it's a whole other level if you go to specialty brewers.

      The point I am making is that in the UK, Oz or most of Europe I can walk into any bar and be reasonably assured they have a decent beer on tap even if they only have mass produced beers. The same is not true in the US.

      P.S. not joking about the US specialty beers being quite nice.

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    84. Re:Incidentally... by MacColossus · · Score: 1

      America isn't the only country producing chicken mcnugget flavored lager. Fosters, St Pauli Girl, Heineken, Sol, Corona, Harps, Boddingtons, Lablatts, Sapporo, etc. If you want to label it all American flavor, that is your right. Yuengling is the oldest American brewery and the second largest. Sam Adams is the largest American brewery. I'm guessing when dismissing Sam Adams you thought I was referring to Boston lager. They have lots of other better flavors. Anchor Steam is ok but not awesome. We all have different taste though. My best friend prefers Young's Double Chocolate Stout but I don't because I'm one of the few people in the world that doesn't like chocolate.

    85. Re:Incidentally... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I don't like cheap beer, myself, but there are at least two good reasons: first, beer is usually the cheapest form of alcohol that is widely available, requiring the least expenditure. Second, beer has a significant safety factor for the inexperienced drinker. It is difficult to drink enough beer to get alcohol poisoning and die. Teenagers, please take note. Until you've been drunk ten or fifteen times - and I do mean drunk, not just tipsy - stick to beer. Tastes vile, but it's safer all around.

    86. Re:Incidentally... by MacColossus · · Score: 1

      If you don't like hops but you are still willing to try something different, steer clear of IPA's or wheats and search out some amber's and reds. As you find some of those you like and start drinking them you will find your tastes will change and pretty soon you will like wheats too. After a while you won't even mind an occasional IPA.

    87. Re:Incidentally... by MacColossus · · Score: 1

      Hilarious. Your post makes me wish I had mod points to give.

    88. Re:Incidentally... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Don't believe the idiot commercials. On a hot day, to quench your thirst either drink some clean fresh water or some watered down fruit juice (fruit without the roughage is just too much sugar). Once your thirst is actually substantively quenched sit down and enjoy your beer. You do not buy or drink beer to quench your thirst, you drink it for the alcohol and because you prefer it over other forms of alcohol.

      It would have been neat if they had also shown the percentage of sales tax et al that impacted the beer price, to get a better idea of how much beer drinker were subsidising there state and federal governments. Considering brew your own is legal in most countries where beer is legal and you can avoid the tax, be your own nano-brewery.

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    89. Re:Incidentally... by rHBa · · Score: 1

      My current favourite, available on draft at my local right now: http://www.alesbymail.co.uk/shop/pick-n-mix-beer/thornbridge-jaipur

    90. Re:Incidentally... by rHBa · · Score: 1

      (hand drawn out of a live keg, no gas or course)

    91. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "BTW: Finally, any beer that is lighter than a light amber color is probably heavily cut with rice or corn... In the case of bud light/etc there is so little barley or hops its hard to call it "beer" with a straight face."

      This is untrue. I brew for a living and several of my beers are much, much lighter than light amber and all of the beers in question are all-malt.

    92. Re:Incidentally... by motorsabbath · · Score: 1

      Oops! Forgot to log in!

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    93. Re:Incidentally... by przemekklosowski · · Score: 1

      The Reinheitsgebot isn't such a blessing you make it out to be. Of course it prevents commercial drek laced with oil refinery products, but it also excludes lambics and other flavored craft beers (Midas Touch, blackberry witbier, etc, etc). I really like the beer selection here in the US, with educated public rewarding small craft breweries who put out surprisingly good product.

    94. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually spend about about $25 to brew 5 gallons (40 pints) of beer. Relatively speaking, that isn't too bad, and there never, ever, will be corn or rice in my beer as is in the macrobreweries. Fruit occasionally, wheat often, but generally I follow the rheinheitsgebot (not necessarily intentionally, just most beers I brew do).

    95. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And most micro-brews are even worse; especially Sam Adams.

      They may not be the sex in a canoe that Bud & Co are, but they still taste like ass.

      Not all of us like over hopped malts.

    96. Re:Incidentally... by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      Then there are craft brewers who make Ales, Stouts, Porters, Lagers and so on

      Stouts and porters are ales.

    97. Re:Incidentally... by bored · · Score: 1

      I was trying to be fairly general in my description, I could have said, a nice dark piss yellow, or gotten out the color charts.

      But... I was attempting to say that clear crap that comes in the can is too light to even be a proper pale lager. Personally, I don't tend to venture that far into the light side of the spectrum. Although, I realized after I typed the thing about seeing through the beer, someone would probably miss interpret that too because there are plenty of very good brews (including the pumpkin ale i'm drinking) that aren't high on the clarity scales and would obscure my hand even if the color was sufficiently light that one could normally see though it.

      Frankly, at the start of the thread I decided what I needed was a good brew (or three).

    98. Re:Incidentally... by Quirkz · · Score: 2

      Heh, what does that make me, then? Most of my worst homebrews have been failed stouts and porters, while most lighter beers (kolsch, amber, red, ligher saisons) have been among my better batches. Lucky, I guess?

    99. Re:Incidentally... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      A few years ago my brother ran across a pack of Billy Beer at a garage sale, still unopened. He figured there was no way it was still good and passed on buying it, but we both sort of wish in retrospect he'd picked it up as a collector's item.

    100. Re:Incidentally... by radio4fan · · Score: 1

      Some is, but you can find terrible beer pretty much everywhere, eg San Miguel in Spain, Kronenbourg in France, the stuff they sell as Stella Artois in the UK.

      Strangely, these tend to be the most popular beers.

      Dunno where TFA got the idea that beer is $2.45 a pint in France though: $6.50 is nearer the mark.

      I once paid €10 for a 'pint' in Paris ($12.87).

    101. Re:Incidentally... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You're talking about a different Europe to this one, pal :) You're pretty silly if you can't see the massive differences in beer production across an entire continent.

    102. Re:Incidentally... by Thammuz · · Score: 1

      There absolutely is a great scene developing over in the US. I have a fairly broad taste in beer, depending on mood and weather I'll order anything from a deep porter to a light pilsner or lambic. For a summer BBQ a beer should be refreshing but should still have lots of flavour - a good lager has both in spades.

      Being in the UK I've not had much exposure to the good American brews, but I really enjoyed what I've had from Anchor Steam (good porter) and Goose Island (great hoppy IPA). Would try more if they were available nearby. That said, with the weather going the way it is at the moment I think I'll be enjoying a local bitter this weekend...

    103. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany here. Coors is barely even a softdrink. Let alone a beer.

      In Germany, you can follow this rule: If it has a list of ingredients printed on the label, it's not beer.
      The reason is, the Reinheitsgebot: It can only have 3 ingredients: Water, barley and hops.
      (Wheat, rye and yeast are OK too, for other kinds of beer. But it’s very obvious, like with Weissbier.)

    104. Re:Incidentally... by astebelton · · Score: 1

      Wow - this post shows a lot of ignorance regarding home brewing. While darker beers may not be your favorite, it absolutely does not mean there is something hiding. Virtually all your color comes from the roast of the barley and different grains are selected to impart different flavors in the beer. With a darker malt, you get more roasty, chocolate, coffee, etc. The brewing process is no different for a stout than an IPA, just different ingredients. You are correct that lighter, more delicate beers are more susceptible to off flavors, but very wrong about the adjuncts being directly related to a light color. How about a hefeweizen, blonde ale or cream ale? All very light in color, no adjuncts. I am a homebrewer.

    105. Re:Incidentally... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Well, maybe the mistake is picking micro brews that are too dark. Their is a lot of space between the water that is pabst, and the overtoasted crap on the other side of the spectrum.

      I find that if I can't see my hand through the pint, the beer is hiding something. There is a reason a lot of home brewers do stout, and it has to do with their inability to make a good IPA or amber ale. Those lighter beers are very susceptible to off tastes if everything isn't super clean, and the trub isn't removed fairly quickly.

      BTW: Finally, any beer that is lighter than a light amber color is probably heavily cut with rice or corn... In the case of bud light/etc there is so little barley or hops its hard to call it "beer" with a straight face.

      I brewed a few batches in 2009 and went with dark stouts. I picked the recipes I did because that's what I like to drink. Most of it was fairly easy with the exception of carbonating. Since I didn't spend the cash to get a full keg setup and pressure carbonate, we did it chemically in bottles. It has a major impact on the flavor and is why I don't brew anymore. If I come up with 500 or so bucks that I have no other use for (hah!) I might get the kegging gear and give it another go someday.

    106. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In line with this theory, those who moderate (well, usually :) their consumption tend to enjoy more full bodied beers. Anything with higher malt, hop, etc. content will start to turn on you if you over-indulge (higher calorie content, worse hangovers, dry towel-tongue).

      Oddly enough, the un-bodied beers are worse for me in that regard. I can drink dark beers all night long and be relatively fine the next day. But force me to drink one bottle of Budweiser swill and my head and colon will be killing me a short while later. I think it's genetic...my dad and brother have the same issue.

    107. Re:Incidentally... by Plammox · · Score: 1

      Belgium: Blondes, Doubles,Triples, Geuze, Kriek
      UK: Stouts, Ales, Bitters, Lagers, IPAs
      Germany: Weissbier, Bock, Schwarzbier
      Czech Rep: Pilsner
      Just to mention the most common large scale commercial brews.
      Add to that the same microbrew trend, which is blooming in Europe. I'll leave you with this little treat: Beer Geek Brunch Weasel (Calvados Edition) , which is made on excreted Vietnamese coffee beans. Now, tell me again how European beers always tend to taste the same.

    108. Re:Incidentally... by gary_7vn · · Score: 1

      Like the "World" series of baseball. It's strange but from some reason Japan has never won!

    109. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sky is blue.
      America has the worst beer in the world.

      A German or Japanese would rather DIE,
      than drink a Coors light,
      and there is WORSE

    110. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last night I drank two Miller High Lifes. It was awful. I wish I had gone with Plan A and just smoked weed instead.

    111. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely wrong. There is an incredible variety of small breweries that make great beer and you can find many of them even at your average grocery store. Go to a specialty liqueur store and you can multiply that variety by 10 or more.

      Before 1979 it was illegal to make beer in small batches (no joke) and this is where American beer got the bad reputation because only a handful of big companies were able to make beer (Bud, Coors, Miller....) and thanks to the government obtained control of the market and brought the quality way down. Since that was repealed there was an explosion of home brewing which then expanded into small business and microbreweries so that today there are over 1,400 breweries in the US making every possible type and flavor of beer imaginable.

      I would actually go so far as to say that the American beer is now the best in the world as evidenced by the international competitions where the US beers dominate.

      Having been to a number of international brewfests, local beer festivals, and countless breweries and brewpubs, I agree with the current crop of American brews being the best in the world. Some of that is of course due to international beer not travelling well and the public having a different taste profile, but I would challenge anybody to find an IPA better than the ones coming out of the west coast of the USA.
      Anyone who says American beer is bad obviously only knows what they have seen advertised and force-fed to the public.

    112. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BULL SHIT.

      Lets talk Guinness, one of my favorite beers. I was just in Dublin and stopped by the brewery for the tour.
      Ingredients: water, barley, hops, and brewer's yeast.

      The only thing the cool dark awesomeness of Guinness hides is the other side of the glass.

      Just because you like lighter beers doesn't man that there's something wrong with darker beers.

    113. Re:Incidentally... by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      I think that the US has surpassed the UK in bottled beer at the high end; cheap beers like Budweiser and Watney's Red Barrel are swill no matter where you drink them. But there are some nice bottled products coming from across the pond. The UK remains strong in draught beer; any pub worth its salt will have at least one cask-conditioned ale as well as other decent choices on tap. Your beer is warm by American standards, where the misguided fashion is to serve it at temperatures just above freezing. (Some better bars do get it right; if you're drinking at home and have to keep the beer in the fridge rather than the cellar remember to take it out for a bit before drinking.) And it's also less carbonated than American beer typically is. To be honest, I think most of our brewers go overboard with that and you Brits have it right.

    114. Re:Incidentally... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      That company you're talking about should never have had rights to the name "Budweiser". They never had anything to do with the town of Budweis, being a local US company who produced counterfeit beer purporting to come from one of real Budweis breweries that was widely imported into the US those days.

      There are only two Budweisers, the swill produced by Anheuser-Busch doesn't even deserve the name "beer".

      And about "real" American beer being drinkable, that's bullshit. I've been there: if you enter a shop, you see shelves upon shelves of exactly the stuff people make bad jokes about. There might be something in a hidden aisle but one needs to know what to look for, and it's an extremely niche product. In other words: a vast majority of beer made in the US, and also, a vast majority of beer bought in the US is swill rather than those legendary microbrews.

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    115. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when the only categories at GABF were Ales, Stouts, Porters, etc.

      then they added "Best American Light Pilsener that tastes like Miller Light", "Best American rice-based Pilsener that tastes exactly like Budweiser", etc...

    116. Re:Incidentally... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Is you argument that America naturally makes the best beer since it has more people trying to do so,

      America doesn't have more people trying to do so. This particular event just has a number of selection biases that skew participation towards Americans. Its advertised more in America, its more convenient for American's to participate, American's don't have to deal with FDA red tape, etc.

      The end result is that its mostly Americans. This isn't a bad thing per se, but its misleading to draw any real conclusions about the best beers in the world, when you aren't really looking at a representative set.

      or that the winner is chosen basically at random from the entrants so winning is simply a matter of stacking the deck?

      To be blunt, yes. I'm not saying it's entirely random; but at the end of the day it is a subjective taste test.

      You hold the same contest 100 times, and vary the judges and the order beers are sampled each time, and you are going to get some variance in the results. "Stacking the deck" with beers from one country will inevitably skew the variance towards that country.

      Its like the 100 meter dash in the 2012 olympics. 1st place women's time was 10.75 seconds. 5th place was 10.89 seconds. You really think those women are -that- consistent? That their times don't vary a few hundredths of a second each run? If you repeat the event 10 times, maybe 5th place never takes gold but first and 2nd only differed by 3 100ths of a second. You really think these women are that consistent? Given that their times varied by far more than that in the semifinals, practice runs, etc.

      So again, yes, who takes gold at the olympics has an element of randomness to it.

      (Three of those 5 top women were American by the way.)

      A bunch of judges subjectively rating beers are also going to exhibit variance, so if the top entrants are close, there will be some randomness to which one ultimately wins.

    117. Re:Incidentally... by Meski · · Score: 1

      You get what you pay for. Peanuts - monkeys piss.

    118. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And...nicely enough....if you want to have a smoke in a bar down here while having a drink....well, we're still free down here for people to make their own decisions about such things."

      You mean, you're removing other people's right to have a beer without putting up with the smoke?

    119. Re:Incidentally... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Budweiser is Belgian, Coors and Miller are South African.

      MacDonalds are American. And yet if I buy a Big Mac in Paris, it's not gone cold.

      I giggle when people complain about American beer because they don't realize the worst swill we produce has been purchased by other countries.

      And I laugh out loud about people who don't understand that where a product's produced, who it's produced by and the customers it's aimed at all have very little to do with the location of the door with the brass plaque on it.

      Tell us, o wise one, what nationality is BP?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    120. Re:Incidentally... by Wingfield · · Score: 1

      I'm in Japan right now, and have been for over three months. If you want to taste the worst beer, come here. The arguably best beer here, Asahi, tastes like a Bud Light that's been open for 2 days, except worse. At the end of a workday, I'll find myself going to a store and wanting a beer, and then just giving up because I can't stomach these. What's worse is that they cost on average maybe ¥200 (~$2.50USD) per CAN. Hoegaarden is fairly common, which I actually like, is fairly common in some stores, but runs about 3-4x what I would pay per bottle in the states. If you go to a bar, forget about it. The cheapest beers you'll find are ¥500 for a half pint. It's very hard to find imports. If you manage to find a bar that has specialty microbrew imports (few and far between) you may find yourself paying ¥1500 (almost $20USD) for a glass. And for the record, Yuengling, Shocktop, and Leinenkugel are just some of the beer makers I like in the states that are in the $7 and under range for a six pack. I think that many European beer drinkers may not like them, because many Americans tend to prefer lagers to ales. I spent two weeks in Austria last year, and missed the flavor of hops very sorely. I really enjoy the variety that can be found in American beer. There are also many bars and breweries that run great weekly specials on very high quality craft beers, where most nights I can find somewhere where all beer is $2 for a 12oz bottle/draft. I just simply dont drink coors, Budweiser, etc

    121. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who drinks light beer is either an alcoholic who drinks so much that they actually get light beer to help cut calories on their daily 6-12 pack habit or non-beer drinkers who don't know any better.

      I just don't understand why anyone who doesn't drink too much in the first place would need to cut calories on beer, if it matters, then you're drinking too much as it is. If not, then the regular Budweiser is simply better tasting.

      But, gosh, I actually like beer so... what the hell do I know?

    122. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They probably use a moisturizer around the eyes before bed, too (if you catch my drift)."

      I don't understand, could you explain this?

    123. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I've noticed this too. Tho here in GF-W, Newfoundland, the 'beer' of choice is usually Coors Light or Bud Light. Why, I really don't know, but my hypothesis is that there are truly very few BEER drinkers out there anymore. What most people have become are 'soft, fizzy, alcoholic beverage' drinkers; kinda like how many girlies claim to be 'on the wine' when, in reality, they are drinking an overly sweet, fizzy, fruit flavoured spritzer by the name of "Boone's". That shit ain't wine -- it's not bad per se, and I've been know to have a bottle or two over the years, but it's NOT WINE.

      In line with this theory, those who moderate (well, usually :) their consumption tend to enjoy more full bodied beers. Anything with higher malt, hop, etc. content will start to turn on you if you over-indulge (higher calorie content, worse hangovers, dry towel-tongue). Coors can be drank to excess without any of that (hell, I once couldn't even get a buzz on with that shit no matter how I tried.)

      LMAO. Yes, there is a tolerance from alcohol, but I can't help but laugh at anyone who has built it up to such a degree they can't even get drunk from drinking alcohol. Time to move on to Bourbon, boyo.

    124. Re:Incidentally... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      No, actually it's all a joke.

      Not only do you get the best beers in the world in the states, but you get the widest selection of them. If you're talking about big breweries like Coors and Budweiser, sure . . . but acting like you can't go into a beer-house in Portland and get any of 150 different fantastic beers from around the world all over the same bar-counter (not to mention the endless variety of awesome local micro-brews) is just feigning willful ignorance.

    125. Re:Incidentally... by Larryish · · Score: 1

      IMO the best beer available at large chain grocery stores int eh U.S. is Blue Moon Belgian White.

      Goooood beer.

    126. Re:Incidentally... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      "They probably use a moisturizer around the eyes before bed, too (if you catch my drift)."

      I don't understand, could you explain this?

      Meaning they're probably Republicans.

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    127. Re:Incidentally... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      He's referring to something that certain women do.

      So, it's a passive way to attempt to poke fun. It didn't work, but it was an attempt.

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    128. Re:Incidentally... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Considering brew your own is legal in most countries where beer is legal and you can avoid the tax, be your own nano-brewery.

      It also requires you to do quite a bit of work, for one specific purpose: alcohol.
      What about the kids, wife, and chores? Oh, wait...

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    129. Re:Incidentally... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      It may be owned by a foreign company, but the same recipe is being used. Well, until very recently when different styles of budweiser have come out. Ownership has nothing to do with it, think about recipe and history. Let's not try to get out of it by technicality, alone.

      Microbrews are the only savior, in America.

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    130. Re:Incidentally... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The recipes all originally came from Germany back in the 19th century, if my memory of the History Channel documentary isn't faulty. So they're not American recipes. Busch, Miller, and Coors were all German immigrants who brough their recipes here with them. One (I don't remember which) brought grain from Germany to grow for his brewery.

      And it's more than just the recipe. Budweiser brewed in New Jersey is even worse swill than that brewed in St Louis.

      AB has breweries all over the world producing Bud. The recipe is German (Busch and Michelob are American recipes, Michelob was first brewed in 1896, the year my grandfther was born, Busch in 1954, the year my sister was born), the breweries are not owned by Americans, so how can you say Bud, Miller, and Coors are American?

    131. Re:Incidentally... by PhotoJim · · Score: 1

      And have to leave my clothes in the hallway after a night of imbibing, so that I don't have to smell the rank smell of stale cigarette smoke? I remember those days altogether too well and have no desire to relive them.

      The best thing for beer drinkers like me has been the increasing tendency of bars and restaurants to ban smoking - either voluntarily or through government edict.

      Bars and restaurants here were scared they'd lose sales. The first full year of smoke-free dining and drinking, their sales went up 10%, significantly above inflation. Turns out lots of non-smokers avoided bars and restaurants, at least at times, precisely because they hated the cigarette smoke.

    132. Re:Incidentally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to Milwaukee.

      I don't think I have to explain why?

  3. There's a reason for that. by Minwee · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The quality of beer in the US is lower than anywhere else in the world.

    1. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      1. Make (high quality) beer for $15 per litre.
      2. Add 20 litres of water per litre of beer.
      3. Sell beer for $1 per litre.
      4. Claim beer is cheapest in the world.

    2. Re:There's a reason for that. by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      False, but you go on being ignorant.

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    3. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      It is also why the entire study is stupid.
      Beer isn't a standard thing. Not even close.
      It doesn't even matter if there is an absolutely tiny difference in purity or water content or whatever else, when you scale that up by millions, it becomes massive.

    4. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know what you're talking about...

      Pilsner beer in Germany tastes no better than the Pilsner beer in the US....

      In fact, Budweiser outsells all beers in many parts of the world. Nothing feels better than drinking a can/bottle (I prefer bottle) of bud after a long day of work.

      Unless you are the kind that likes spices and fruit in their beer then you need to try an apple-tini - they are FABULOUS!

    5. Re:There's a reason for that. by jythie · · Score: 2

      While I agree it is subjective, American beer generally is not well thought of. In WWII all the German beer brewers were run out of business in the US, after which locals had to pick up the slack and essentially start from scratch, so all the skill and knowledge was lost. We have started to catch up again now that we have cycled through a few generations but it was still a pretty serious fall.

    6. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.
      It's mostly dreadful, but some places in the US have made improvements (NW).

    7. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd recon you haven't heard of microbrewery revolution in US. IMHO US ranks 3rd at this point on quality, behind Germany and Belgium.

    8. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, it's weak garbage with a splattering of so-called micro-breweries trying to hard to make something with flavor. If you've been anywhere else in the world, you'll find beer is always nicer than ours, whether it be lager, bitters, stouts or any other brew on offer.

    9. Re:There's a reason for that. by retchdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      i agree with you, but our placement on this list is definitely due at least partly to our low-quality beers.

      the funny thing is i can buy 9% craft beer for less than 2.5x the unit price of a big-brand pisswater (3.5%) beer, and it tastes 10x better as well, but that doesn't show up on this chart. i bet we'd also be close to the top for consumer purchasing power of high-quality beer (however that's defined), but not #1.

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    10. Re:There's a reason for that. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      It is true. While there are some excellent beers in this country, the fact is, the average quality is utterly abysmal due to the likes of Bud, Coors, Miller, etc.

      Even though some of these are starting to put out higher-quality beers, the majority of their sales are low-cost low-quality crap.

      As a result, the average quality of beers in this country matches the average price at best... more likely the average quality is below the average price.

      Just because you CAN get high-quality beer at reasonable prices in this country doesn't mean that the majority of beer sold/consumed in this country is cheap crap.

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    11. Re:There's a reason for that. by statusbar · · Score: 0

      Don't even bother trying to drink any beer unless it is brewed to the Bavarian Purity Law standard of 1516. Lots of smaller breweries in the U.S. and Canada have beer that complies.

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    12. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microbreweries in the US suck because 99.9% of them use corn-syrup laden flavors b ased off artificial flavors. Samuel Adams is a big shitty beer company because we sell them the shitty flavors.

    13. Re:There's a reason for that. by dargaud · · Score: 2

      In WWII all the German beer brewers were run out of business in the US, after which locals had to pick up the slack and essentially start from scratch, so all the skill and knowledge was lost.

      Funny, I never heard this excuse as to why the beer sucked so bad in the US. So after which war did you run the french restaurants out of business to explain why the food is so bad in the US ? Yeah, flamebait, but having live 6 years in the US I still stand by it. But you now have great microbrews nowadays.

      And back to the topic at hand, how many hours of stoning does it take to have a pint in Saudi Arabia ?

      BTW, the cheapest brew is in my home: I brew my own. It's cheap and fun and good (small print: apart from the occasional screw up or too 'experimental' recipe).

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    14. Re:There's a reason for that. by bfandreas · · Score: 2

      If it has a commercial on TV it is a bad beer.
      This is a universal truth. Even applies in Germany.

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    15. Re:There's a reason for that. by Ryanrule · · Score: 0

      sorry brah, you are WRONG.

      there are bars near me that serve bier from all over the world. ive sampled many a few.

    16. Re:There's a reason for that. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      You need to get out more.

      Both of America's neighbors make consistently worse beer then American can beer (which admittedly sucks). Canadian beer is just American can beer raised to 6% with corn sugar, Mexico's top selling beer is the worst single brew on the planet (Corona).

      Don't get me started on Fosters, granted they only drink that piss in one Australian state. The piss they sell as Fosters in the US is made in Canada BTW. Even worse then the real thing.

      Other notable disgusting beers: Red Stripe, Sing Ha (the Chinese one, Shanghai water sucks, the Thai malt liquor is pretty good), Watney's Red Barrel, Guinness (awful stout), Heineken, All English brown ales, yeast infected beer (Hefe).

      I love Guinness (stout or drought) as well as English brown ales and hefeweizen such as erdinger. In my opinion American beers such as Bud, Miller, Hamms, Michelob are all in the same bucket with the other swill you mentioned (red stripe, fosters, corona, etc). Generally, if I'm at a restaurant and they only have the "normal" US brews, I pass.

    17. Re:There's a reason for that. by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you live in the north east, or somewhere else with limited selection. America has the best tasting and widest variety of beer in the world. I'd say that no small part of the reason why it's cheaper here. Endless comptetion.

    18. Re:There's a reason for that. by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you mean the the original classic Czech beer called 'Budweiser'. The one that the US brews on license and is famous for being of much lower quality. You should try the original, then you will know what a travesty that rancid 'sex in a canoe' swill that passes for beer in the US is.

    19. Re:There's a reason for that. by geoffrobinson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No offense, but I love German beer and they have a high quality generally but.... the American beer scene has a lot more variety and a bigger willingness to be innovative. German beer, not so much.

      We are in a better position now than anytime since Prohibition and probably before too.

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    20. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know what you're talking about...

      Pilsner beer in Germany tastes no better than the Pilsner beer in the US....

      I'm pretty certain there are parts of Germany where stating such a thing would be considered a crime. And for the record, you couldn't be more wrong here.

      In fact, Budweiser outsells all beers in many parts of the world. Nothing feels better than drinking a can/bottle (I prefer bottle) of bud after a long day of work.

      Cigarettes outsell many other products all over the world too. Much like Budweiser, you may chalk that up to mass ignorance or mass stupidity. You choose, because it sure as hell ain't because it's good beer.

      Unless you are the kind that likes spices and fruit in their beer then you need to try an apple-tini - they are FABULOUS!

      No, but I do prefer a real beer. You know, the kind that doesn't have to have a shitload of preservatives in it to make sure it's still "fresh" in 6 months. Those who sell and market beer to be as fresh as milk sans preservatives know why that is important. Those who don't...don't.

    21. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So, what is typical permille in USA beer? 4.6% 2,9%? 1,2%?

    22. Re:There's a reason for that. by Unknown+Lamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See Beer Advocate. American beer isn't all crappy lager in cans... we have an incredibly vibrant craft beer and homebrewing scene. I drink the former and make the latter myself, and these lips shall never meet swill! Mostly because it's cheaper to brew up a quick ten gallon batch of pale ale than to buy a vomit-inducing Budweiser. I guess it speaks to the power of marketing that folks outside of (or even inside!) the US think so lowly of our beer.

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    23. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I believe he means the most popular beers in the USA. Which are piss water lagers, no craft beer is in the top 10.

    24. Re:There's a reason for that. by slazzy · · Score: 1

      There are lots of really good craft & micro brewers in the US.

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    25. Re:There's a reason for that. by cshay · · Score: 2

      What happened is after prohibition they started adding corn and rice to beer and people were just glad to have any beer to drink even if it tasted like corn (which is cheap).

      Most people aren't picky and it started a trend.

    26. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      It is still pilsner. Which is all watery crap compared to real beers.

      Find an Ale, or a bock, or anything that is not nearly clear.

    27. Re:There's a reason for that. by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 1

      Ok fair enough, other countries have bad beer too. I live in Germany though so calling out fosters and corona (in New Zealand we had some pretty shocking ones too: ranfurly, nz lager) doesn't seem like much of an excuse. In Germany they have had a law since like the 1500's about how beer has to be brewed. They almost didn't join the EU because there were issues with it. 1/3 of all the breweries in the world are here and if you tried a new type of German beer every day it would take you 15 years to get though them all. It is fairly cheap too, 50c for a 500ml bottle at the supermarket.

    28. Re:There's a reason for that. by WhitePanther5000 · · Score: 1

      Only if you're drinking Budweiser, Miller, and the like (aka the cheap ones). There is a huge (and growing) number of microbreweries with some pretty incredible beers in the US. Certainly, good beer is not easy to find in every part of the country. But I'm lucky enough to live in a state with lots of breweries. Consider a road trip if you're a beer fanatic.

      A few stats: http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/business-tools/craft-brewing-statistics/facts

      Breweries per capita by state: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Craft_Breweries_Per_Capita_(US).png

    29. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That would eliminate all wheat beers and a great many really good beers.

      Many breweries claim to comply, but really don't. I have even seen such claims on wheat beer bottles. Since Reinheitsgebot clearly only allows Water, Barley and Hops, they cannot comply. Yeast was added later as it was unknown at the time.

    30. Re:There's a reason for that. by Applekid · · Score: 1

      If they're looking at average cost of beer, then, yeah, the cost and quality are both low.

      This is because the US market is filled with cheap beer. Supergiant breweries flooded the market in a race to the bottom which also, happily for them, increases the barrier to entry. A public that's used to a certain price point for domestic beer, in general, scoffs at paying more for another domestic beer.

      Things started to change when Carter legalized home brewing, and microbrews started becoming commercially viable. But, in terms of sheer volume, there's no contest.

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    31. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Yeast Infected?
      Yeast makes beer moron. Hefe is probably the best beer on Earth.

      Sounds like you like fancy versions of nearly piss.

    32. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not ignorance, it's experience. Keep thinking that, though.

    33. Re:There's a reason for that. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      So, what is typical permille in USA beer? 4.6% 2,9%? 1,2%?

      I can get ales, made by american craft brewers up to 11.2% Depends how strong you want it. Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout is 9% ABV.

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    34. Re:There's a reason for that. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Weird opinion - the US is near the tops in terms of food quality in the world, based on my experience. And has a far superior amount of diversity in its high quality fine dining options to most countries I've visited in Europe and the Americas. Try eating your way around New York, San Francisco (and throughout the bay area), Napa and Sonoma Counties in California, Charleston in South Carolina, or any of the foodie meccas around the US.

    35. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      False, as evidence I present Erdinger and Paulaner. The latter is the Hefe by which all Hefes are judged.

    36. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't find a link now but I'm pretty sure many commodities are cheaper in the U.S. than any where in the world when you compare to income.

    37. Re:There's a reason for that. by Ziggitz · · Score: 1

      True but so is most the lager people in Europe drink. Beer is pretty good everywhere, but the most mass marketable and mass produceable is awful. and you're only going to see the beers that other countries produce in mass quantities and export. It's one of those rare cases where your lawn is always greener than your neighbor's.

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    38. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blah blah. Who the fuck cares what some inbred teutonites thought about beer half a millennium ago?

    39. Re:There's a reason for that. by Pope · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't even bother trying to drink any beer unless it is brewed to the Bavarian Purity Law standard of 1516. Lots of smaller breweries in the U.S. and Canada have beer that complies.

      What a load of bullshit. The more people ignore this outdated law, the more interesting beers are created.

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    40. Re:There's a reason for that. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Try a good stout, 'Obsidian Oatmeal Stout' is a good choice.

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    41. Re:There's a reason for that. by jythie · · Score: 1

      *nod* at this point it is more reputation then reality, esp now that microbrews have caught on. But go back to the 60s or 70s and it was pretty bad.

    42. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Spoken like someone who does not like beer. Hefe is not sour, that would be a beer infected with brett like a berliner Weisse or a Lambic.

      Generally they don't just leave it in, they add more at bottling.

      If you do not like yeast you do not like beer.

    43. Re:There's a reason for that. by camg188 · · Score: 1

      WWII all the German beer brewers were run out of business in the US

      What? There are numerous breweries with German heritage that started in the 1800's that are still around today. Prohibition closed more breweries than anything else and the art of brewing was not lost due to that either.

    44. Re:There's a reason for that. by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

      False, but you go on being ignorant.

      I only know a handful of US beers but the ones I know are rather bad. At least in Germany it's very hard to even get US beers -- only in American restaurants or fast food chains.

    45. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why would you add fruit? Wheat beer is far heavier than the piss beer you drink and is not sour. That is lambics and berliner weisse.

      You don't even know what you are talking about for the style. Before you try to discredit something, actually learn about it, or drink it or maybe even brew it.

    46. Re:There's a reason for that. by retchdog · · Score: 1

      yeah, that's true (for now), but, almost by definition, craft beers aren't commodities in the modern sense of the term.

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    47. Re:There's a reason for that. by statusbar · · Score: 1

      All I know is that unpure beer makes me feel bad. YMMV.

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    48. Re:There's a reason for that. by Mike · · Score: 1

      Erdinger, while made of quality ingredients compared to the average American horsepiss, is still a lager.

      And all lager is horsepiss.

    49. Re:There's a reason for that. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, the kind that doesn't have to have a shitload of preservatives in it to make sure it's still "fresh" in 6 months.

      In the UK, the Budweiser "Fresh Beer Tastes Better" adverts were banned by the Advertising Standards Agency, because "fresh" beer quite demonstrably does *not* taste better. Anyone who has made homebrew will tell you this...

    50. Re:There's a reason for that. by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1

      Just because you CAN get high-quality beer at reasonable prices in this country doesn't mean that the majority of beer sold/consumed in this country is cheap crap.

      You have it exactly backwards. I can get a wide selection of good beer at several places in my neighborhood, including one brewery. As long as the good stuff's available, why should I care what the majority drinks?

    51. Re:There's a reason for that. by bfandreas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mass produced beer has become increasingly bad all around the world. But also the beer culture has gone downhill. That is why people still buy bad beer. I haven't seen the chart of the top 10 most sold beers of the world but I wil hazard a guess I wouldn't drink it.

      Let me explain how a beer garden in Germany(Munich area) works:
      You go there on a sunny afternoon. Next to the place were they actually sell the beer you will find shelves of mugs. The 1 liter variety. You take a mug and go to a big basin filled with clear water were you rinse the mug. There will also be little brushes. Use them.
      With your mug you go to the end of the queue. When it is your turn, tell them what you want. Don't be fancy, they only have two barrels. Say "Ein Helles, bitte". Pay in cash. No plastic. Don't rely on them having change. Find a nice bench under a chestnut tree and enjoy your beer.
      And have a nice lunch.
      You have brought lunch, have you?
      If you go to a beer garden they only expect you to buy the beer there. You can bring your own food. Otherwise you might find everything to be a bit expensive.
      Everything is trees and wood and wasps and rabbits frolicking on the green. There might even be fucking butterflies and flowers and shit.

      Me and a couple of mates once went to the Hirschgarten on a Sunday morning and went home when they closed it. I drank 9 liters of beer, ate 2 chickens, a couple of those giant pretzels with a cartload of Obatzta(a Bavarian cheese specialty) and a Steckerlfisch(a mackerel). All in all I spent 200 Euros on food over the course of 12 hours and felt like I got my money's worth. Best Sunday ever. YMMV.

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    52. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      They don't even make a lager as far as I know. They produce almost entirely wheat beers. I meant the WeiÃYbier.
      Wiki says they produce the following of that maybe one is a lager:

      WeiÃYbier - a golden cloudy beer (alc 5.3%, white/cream label, pictured)
      Dunkel- a dark brown type (alc 5.6%, black label)
      Kristallklar (crystal clear) - a filtered WeiÃYbier (alc 5.3%, silver label)
      Pikantus (picaanthus) - a dark weizenbock beer (alc 7.3%)
      Leicht (light) - a light beer (alc 2.9%)
      SchneeweiÃYe (snow-white) - a seasonal beer brewed from November to February (alc 5.6%)
      Erdinger Champ - a wheat beer that can be drunk straight from the bottle (alc 4.7%)
      Alkoholfrei (alcohol free) - an alcohol free version (alc 0.4%, blue label)
      Festbier (festive beer) - a seasonal brew for Erding's Herbstfestes (autumn festival, also known as Volksfest)

    53. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corn and rice in beer dates back to waaaaaaaay before Prohibition. There were people on this continent making corn beer before Columbus crashed his boat and assumed he was in India.

      The real issue is that Prohibition destroyed all of the risk-taking small breweries. There were hundreds of small breweries in the country before Prohibition, and essentially all of them folded before Prohibition ended, whereas the large ones could limp along making malt extract sweeteners for the baking industry. The large ones were incredibly risk-averse (and still are!) and the "good beer" industry didn't start to really recover until the 1980s.

    54. Re:There's a reason for that. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Who the hell cares about "average quality"? I live in rural Wisconsin and I have my choice of a dozen local and regional brews from the cooler at the village convenience store. Sure, they sell more Bud and Miller's than all the rest combined, but so what? Some people like it: why shouldn't they have it? They get what they want, I get New Glarus or Sand Creek.

      "Quality" of beer is entirely a matter of opinion.

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    55. Re:There's a reason for that. by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Pour it right and you don't disturb the yeast at the bottom of the bottle.

      Enjoy the yeast infection in a glass. Leaves more beer for me.

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    56. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to segment the market. YOu can't make a statement like that broadly. Our mass-produced are bad. Our micros are the best.

    57. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asshole. You wouldn't know good beer if you drowned in it.

    58. Re:There's a reason for that. by Mike · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. I thought wheat beers were lagers. But in fact, they are top-fermented like ales.

      Add Wheat Beer to the list of "horsepiss" along with lagers, then. :-)

    59. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeast wasn't unknown in 1516, Hacker Pschorr was brewing with it 100 years prior.

    60. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Hefe, means the yeast is still in suspension as the beer is not filtered. Yeast is selected for this behavior. Proper serving of a Hefe includes swirling the last few 10s of mls to get any settled yeast into the glass.

      Again you show your ignorance. Beer cannot said to be infected by yeast, as it is integral to the process. The sour you claim is brett and that is not found in Hefes.

    61. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      You are again wrong. They are not like ales they are ales.

      They are proper ales and do not taste anything like horsepiss nor water. Nor are they sour as some idiots think, that is berliener weisse and lambics and similar brett infected beers.

    62. Re:There's a reason for that. by Mike · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean to imply wheat beers are not ales. But do mean to imply they taste horrendous (to me).

      Personally, I strongly prefer an IPA any day.

    63. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing you live in the north east, or somewhere else with limited selection

      not sure where this came from but I live in New Hampshire and I have plenty of craft beers to choose from at my local beer store, thought most of them aren't local i suppose. I do like a good Long Trail or Tuckerman, though.

    64. Re:There's a reason for that. by afidel · · Score: 1

      You may not like the product that BMC puts out but it's not of low quality, every professional brewer I know is amazed at the quality control of the big three. The very pale, lightly hopped light lager that the big three produce as their mainstay is one of the most technically difficult beers to produce because ANY defect is instantly noticeable whereas with a big IPA you can screw all sorts of things up and it just gets masked by the overpowering bitterness. That isn't to say that there's no art to making a good IPA, just that it's a much more forgiving style when it comes to defects.

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    65. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If I wanted to taste nothing but hops I would just eat hops. IPA is a preservation method not a form of beer. :)

    66. Re:There's a reason for that. by afidel · · Score: 2

      4-5% for the mass market lagers just like basically everywhere. You can find everything from 2-12% ABV in most well stocked specialty stores though the typical range is 4-9%. Some states have a limit on the maximum ABV allowed under the tax bracket for beer and so you won't typically be able to find anything above that statute limit.

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    67. Re:There's a reason for that. by Mike · · Score: 1

      Heh. To each his own. The more bitter, the better (to a point).

      Yeah, hops was put into beer for preservation originally, but it stayed in there after air travel was invented because it's YUMMY. :)

    68. Re:There's a reason for that. by spiffmastercow · · Score: 1

      Don't even bother trying to drink any beer unless it is brewed to the Bavarian Purity Law standard of 1516. Lots of smaller breweries in the U.S. and Canada have beer that complies.

      That law was put in place to drive down the price of bread. In fact, it still allowed for brewing with wheat, but only for consumption by the aristocracy. Look at Belgium if you want to see good beer -- and they break all the rules when they make it.

    69. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am from the U.S. and for the last 8 years have been living elsewhere in the world and you sir are crazy. First off the Germans put Coca Cola in their beer and call it Diesel......are you joking, and they think Americans love Coca Cola. And yes I have been living in Germany. They do crazy Sh*t to beer, like putting Banana syrup in Weiss beer!!!!!!!! Yes beer here is good, no doubt, but you can find great beer in America as well. Believe it or not I have a German friend who is crazy for bud ice, I know, there is no accounting for taste. But in America we have great beer also, especially if you like Larger, here the big beers are pils or Marzen. Nothing like larger.

    70. Re:There's a reason for that. by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      I'm not a huge fan of wheat beers, but they taste nothing like lager. They have very distinctive (some would say pungent) flavour (which is why I don't like them, as an English ale drinker).

      Reserve your scorn for deserving targets like lager, and leave the real drinks like ale and wheat beer well alone!

    71. Re:There's a reason for that. by afidel · · Score: 1

      The US has more breweries than Germany (~2,000 versus ~1,300) so if you're right about Germany have more than 1/3 then between us we have over 70% of all breweries worldwide =)

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    72. Re:There's a reason for that. by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      The dirt cheap beer they're talking about in this article certainly is...

    73. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I like hops fine. But beyond 50-75 IBU it is just too much.

    74. Re:There's a reason for that. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You could make all the 'wheat beer' you wanted. You just couldn't call it beer.

      It was never about the price of bread. Some Baptist made that up.

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    75. Re:There's a reason for that. by westyvw · · Score: 1

      Sigh. So that brew pub down the street from me that makes beer with fresh organic ingredients, works with the local farmers during purchase only 60 miles away, and serves on tap at all the local pubs is lower then any where in the world? Not to mention the other 100 or so breweries doing the same thing within 60 miles of that one? Sorry pal, I been around the world, and this is the best beer you can get, particularly in terms of quality.

    76. Re:There's a reason for that. by dargaud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Weird opinion - the US is near the tops in terms of food quality in the world, based on my experience.

      He, have you really stepped out of the US ?!?

      Try eating your way around New York

      Every time I mention food being bad in the US, americans always go "but you have to try it in NY!". Why ? NY is only a tiny subset of the US and also variety != quality. And for your information I've been in NY and the crappy 25$ burgers were just as bad as ANY other burger. If you go to a random unassuming restaurant in Italy [for instance], chances are you'll find the antipasti and the pizza and the pasta delicious. And for less than 20$/Euro. If you do the same anywhere in the US, chances are you'll shit that fast food in your pants if you can't find a toilet fast enough. Travel, and see for yourself.

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    77. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the quality is some of the highest in the world. Which is an entirely different issue of liking the beer.

      The FACT of it is, is easy to make lower quality beer and get away with it when you are making heavy, rich beers. The FACT of it is, more than likely, some of your favorite European beers are of considerably lower quality than that of many American beers.

      Contrary to any idiocy you may have heard, taste is not about quality. And I'll remind you, some wonderfully tasteful beers exist specifically because of a high level of fungal contamination from outside the brewry. Technically that equates to extremely low quality.

      But hey, if you want to delude yourself and remain ignorant - this is slashdot so I'm sure you'll fit right in.

    78. Re:There's a reason for that. by westyvw · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention something important. Probably what you are thinking of is the mass produced crap beers, mostly attributed to America.
      However, they aren't American. Coors is Canadian, Miller is UK, Bud is Belgian/Brazilian and so on.

      True American beers are small operations, and they are the ones that count. Washington, Oregon, California, Colorado have the best beer in the world, bar none.

    79. Re:There's a reason for that. by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      The quality of beer in the US is lower than anywhere else in the world.

      Well I sure didn't see that comment coming when I decided to read this story.

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    80. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      People were brewing with it for thousands of years before that. It was however not known as anything separate, they just mixed old beer with new to start fermentation. Yeast was discovered by Van Leeuwenhoek in 1719.

      The brewery you chose is not even particularly old, Weihenstephaner has been brewing since 1040.

    81. Re:There's a reason for that. by Kittenman · · Score: 1

      1. Make (high quality) beer for $15 per litre.
      2. Add 20 litres of water per litre of beer.
      3. Sell beer for $1 per litre.
      4. Claim beer is cheapest in the world.

      You missed
      5: Profit!!

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    82. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America has the best tasting and widest variety of beer in the world.

      Definitely. I think the US is in a golden age for beer.

      I'd say that no small part of the reason why it's cheaper here. Endless comptetion.

      I doubt that. I think the typical US beer consumer wants cheap, gets them drunk, and convinces their wife that it is low in calories. That's 90% of the market.

      The good beer only sells to around 10% of the market.

    83. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Northeast U.S. has some good brands. Sam Adams, ShipYard, SeaDog...There are some breweries in Maine that make good bears. Plus, I bet you never had a blueberry ale made with Maine blueberries. Maine ranks 5th in number of microbreweries in the nation.

    84. Re:There's a reason for that. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      We also had grain rationing, so rice was used as a filler. This also made the beer easier to drink and increased popularity among women as I read it.

    85. Re:There's a reason for that. by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      Sam Adams certainly advertizes on TV and they have good beers.
      Dogfish head had a TV show a while back on the discovery channel essentially a 20 minute commerical they have very good beers.
      Commercialization does not make something bad it typically means they have had success, I know the hipster in you hates when everybody starts liking something you liked first and that there is no way the masses could ever have as sophisticated tastes as you.

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    86. Re:There's a reason for that. by bored · · Score: 1

      He he, its easy you just take your 5 gallon batch of pale ale and cut it with 15 gallons of water.

      Then you have bud light..

      That said, I've heard the same thing, the descriptions of what Bud/etc do to maintain their yeast strain borders on the impossible/insane.

    87. Re:There's a reason for that. by operagost · · Score: 1

      Exactly what kind of mucking foron does it take to summarily claim that US food is uniformly bad? Food in the USA is the world's food. People of all nations brought it here, and besides recent immigrants we have second, third, and fourth generations maintaining the craft. If you can't find good food here, you won't find it anywhere.

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    88. Re:There's a reason for that. by operagost · · Score: 0

      Me and a couple of mates once went to the Hirschgarten on a Sunday morning and went home when they closed it. I drank 9 liters of beer, ate 2 chickens, a couple of those giant pretzels with a cartload of Obatzta(a Bavarian cheese specialty) and a Steckerlfisch(a mackerel)

      And here the Europeans tell me that all the fatasses are in the USA.

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    89. Re:There's a reason for that. by gcore · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't. Quality isn't at all about how good a beer tastes. That's completly subjective. Quality is brewing a product that comes out just the way you wanted it to, and then brew it again, and again. It's about controll over all the parameters during milling, mashing, lautering, boiling, whirlpooling, cooling, aeration, fermentation, lagering, conditioning, filtration, storage, filling and alot of steps I missed. If a customer thinks a beer doesn't taste good, that's not a sign of bad quality. If a customer drinks a beer that's been infected by bacteria or wild yeast, or damaged by oxygen or light, that's a sign of bad quality.

    90. Re:There's a reason for that. by operagost · · Score: 1

      I only know a handful of US beers but the ones I know are rather bad

      Thus proving the fallacy of "Argumentum ad ignorantum" of which you were accused.

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    91. Re:There's a reason for that. by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      The Reinheitsgebot is no longer part of German law: it has been replaced by the Provisional German Beer Law, [2] which allows constituent components prohibited in the Reinheitsgebot, such as yeast, wheat malt and cane sugar , but which no longer allows unmalted barley.

      Reinheitsgebot aka Bavarian Purity Law.

    92. Re:There's a reason for that. by spiffmastercow · · Score: 1
      From the wikipedia article:

      Reinheitsgebot was introduced in part to prevent price competition with bakers for wheat and rye. The restriction of grains to barley was meant to ensure the availability of sufficient amounts of affordable bread, as the more valuable wheat and rye were reserved for use by bakers. Today many Bavarian beers are again brewed using wheat and are thus no longer compliant with the Reinheitsgebot.

    93. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck the Purity Law. Some of the best beers I have ever had would be a crime in Germany.

      Lazy Magnolia: Jefferson Stout -> Made with Sweet Potatoes
      Lazy Magnolia: Southern Pecan -> Made with Pecans
      Rogue: Chocolate Stout -> Made with Chocolate
      Rogue: Mocha Porter -> Made with Coffee
      Left Hand: Good Juju -> Made with Ginger
      Left Hand: Milk Stout -> Make with Lactose
      Buffalo's Pearl Street Grill: Don Cherry Wheat -> Made with Cherries

      Any Belgian Kriek Lambic beer would be out lawed by that stupid law.

    94. Re:There's a reason for that. by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

      I only know a handful of US beers but the ones I know are rather bad

      Thus proving the fallacy of "Argumentum ad ignorantum" of which you were accused.

      I were accused of nothing. You confuse me of someone else.

    95. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beer culture has by no means become worse. In the last 2 decades we saw beer move from post war industrial consumerist drinks spewing from massive assembly lines to an emergence of microbrews and homebrewers. The U.S. infrastructure was destroyed by prohibition, and the European infrastructure took a hit from the 2nd World War. Before that, there was still a dominance of cheap industrial revolution products, and before that, beer was beer. It was a local product that could not travel as well as harder liquor and was not ubiquitous either. In England and America—especially before heavy German immigration—cider was a favored drink. In many cases beer was just another drink you have, not necessarily for getting drunk or for taste, but because it did hold for longer than water and was relatively disease free. While certain regions (hint: Germany) had beer as a more traditional and culturally centered piece of their society, to many beer came in one form: whatever the local pub was dolling out.

      Today we have a much wider selection of beers, and more and more people hop on the microbrew train,and by many respects, a culture of beer has emerged where there was none. While beer does has it's place in history and culture, we are talking about the culture of beer, not beer in culture.

    96. Re:There's a reason for that. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Exactly what kind of mucking foron does it take to summarily claim that US food is uniformly bad?

      I've heard a very good excuse for that: immigrants who came to the US couldn't find the basic ingredients they were used to, so they improvised with whatever was available, usually with much less success. And in many cases it stuck, impoverishing the recipes in the process.

      PS: a more direct answer to your question whould be: "one who has lived there".

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    97. Re:There's a reason for that. by dthx1138 · · Score: 1

      We may drink a large quantity of piss beer here in America (bud light, coors light, etc.) but the fact of the matter is that you can easily find excellent beer, either from around the world or U.S. microbreweries, with basically zero effort.

      Example #1: my local Ralph's (the biggest grocery chain in southern California) sells Franziskaner, Fin du Monde, and Rogue brewery beers, among many more.
      Example #2: nearly every bar, even the most generic hole of a sports bar, has *some* kind of microbrew, be it Sierra Nevada, Fat Tire (New Belgium), Pyramid, or Shiner.

      Note: the overwhelming majority of piss beer is now imported or manufactured by foreign-pwned companies such as InBev. The largest U.S.-owned breweries are now Yeunglings and Sam Adams. Sam Adams brews almost every type of ale or lager you'd want, some of which are pretty decent.

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    98. Re:There's a reason for that. by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Ok, you were with me for awhile, and the criticisim of Guinness can be overlooked but what the hell are you talking about a Chinese beer called Sing Ha? Singha is only a Thai beer, a Chinese version does not exist.

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    99. Re:There's a reason for that. by dwye · · Score: 1

      In WWII all the German beer brewers were run out of business in the US

      Except for Anheiser-Busch, Yeungling, Adolphus Coors, and ...

      Actually, there was fairly little WWII-era anti-German sentiment in the highly German areas, like Milwaukee and Central PA, where the major breweries were located, compared to during WWI (Victory Cabbage for Sauerkraut, frex, and German pulled from high school curiculae even in German-American towns). The problem was that the really big brewers found ways to guarantee a certain level of quality at a fairly cheap price, while the regional breweries were producing beer that was more hit or miss at higher prices, and they could no more compete than small butchers and green grocers could against the chain grocery stores like A&P, a generation or two before. Imagine what would happen if your favorite microbrew had to compete against Miller, Bud, or A-B purely on price. As a result, the regionals gradually were bought up by majors and/or went out of business. At this point, the majors were competing essentially on volume alone, and consumers became used to brews with little or no hops content (cheaper for the brewers, and better suited to the non-food way that beer was being consumed after Prohibition).

      As to losing skills, that is nonsense. The brewmasters were and are able to produce great beers (and more cheaply than during the Post-Prohibition period) when they were given good recipes to make (local example: Sam Adams was once produced by the same brewery as was Iron City, renting Pgh Brewing's excess capacity). The problem was that the recipes were gradually stripped of the strong flavor agents, particularly hops, as time went on.

    100. Re:There's a reason for that. by ks*nut · · Score: 1

      Sounds wonderful! But I hear that things are not as idyllic during Octoberfest. Apparently the beer vendors are setting their prices at ever increasing heights (based, no doubt, on how much the tourists are willing to pay). Needless to say, the locals are not happy because they like to drink their beer at a reasonable price. Personally, I can't wait until the U.S. pulls out its head and starts selling liters instead of those silly little pints.

    101. Re:There's a reason for that. by skine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think that you're just bad at picking restaurants.

      I've been to Australia (Victoria and the NT), and I've been to Argentina (Buenos Aires and Mar del Plata), Canada (Ontario, New Brunswick and PEI), and I'm from the US, where I've visited (NY, ME, NH, MA, RI, CT, NJ, PA, DE, MD, WV, VA, NC, SC, TN, GA, FL, AL, MS, LA, TX, NM, CO, UT, AZ, CA, NV, OR, WA, ID, MT, WY, NE, IA, IL, IN, and OH).

      I've had a good meal in practically every city I've been to. Smaller towns are a bit more hit-or-miss. If it's a hamlet or smaller with just one restaurant, then maybe you'll get lucky.

      However, as a rule of thumb, it is best to stay away from a place that has an expensive menu (such as a $25 burger), but is empty. Instead, look for the seedy-looking place that has a line coming round the back and where the waiters make you point at the menu because they can't understand you.

    102. Re:There's a reason for that. by ks*nut · · Score: 1

      Reinheitsgebot, which means you can't piss in a barrel and call it beer.

    103. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The germans make beer, the american beer scene makes... well not some much. The culture seems to have forgotten drinkability. It all over hopped 'wow factor' .... well not beer.

    104. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually given the basis of the survey ITFA, he's spot on. Cheap American beer is utter swill. I'm sure the microbrew stuff is better, but it's also more expensive. And completely unheard of outside of the States. In comparison cheap German beer is actually pretty good, cheap Aussie beer is hit and miss. Cheap New Zealand beer is ok from memory.

      I feel for you though, God knows I wouldn't want to be judged on the basis of Fosters *shudder*.

    105. Re:There's a reason for that. by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      I don't drink beer myself, but I thought that was partly due to percentage of alcohol the big breweries used.

      Might not apply anymore, but there's an old joke that goes, "What do American beer and making love in a canoe have in common? They're both fucking close to water."

    106. Re:There's a reason for that. by leromarinvit · · Score: 1

      Me and a couple of mates once went to the Hirschgarten on a Sunday morning and went home when they closed it. I drank 9 liters of beer, ate 2 chickens, a couple of those giant pretzels with a cartload of Obatzta(a Bavarian cheese specialty) and a Steckerlfisch(a mackerel). All in all I spent 200 Euros on food over the course of 12 hours and felt like I got my money's worth. Best Sunday ever. YMMV.

      Um, are you sure you didn't just drink one or two beers too many and imagined all the rest? Because I can't even begin to imagine how all that could fit inside a single person.

      But then again, I consider half a chicken to be a perfectly adequate meal. And I'm not even anorexic, quite the opposite in fact...

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    107. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm.
      Have lived in the US for 15+ years.
      Have visited maybe 30 countries in my life.
      USA is at or near the bottom in quality.
      Probably at the top in quantity (read: cost) but who cares?

      Really, drop the chalupa.

    108. Re:There's a reason for that. by lahvak · · Score: 1

      Actually, he isn't. When they calculated the price of american beer, they averaged the various prices weighted by the consumption. So when you calculate quality, you should do the same. So on average, when we take consumption into account, american beer is very bad, despite of amricans having some of the best beers in the world.

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    109. Re:There's a reason for that. by jythie · · Score: 1

      That matches my experience too. While not as extensively traveled, I have spent time in maybe half a dozen countries and quite a few states within the US, and have mostly found it a matter of finding the good restaurants. Perhaps the poster is simply skiled (or has the local knowledge) at finding good places in Itally. I know here figuring out which Chinese and Indian restaurants is a skill unto itself.

    110. Re:There's a reason for that. by jythie · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, that is something I really love about cooking in the US..... while it would turn out different, I would argue that most of the time the improvised recipes turned out just as good as what they were based off of.

    111. Re:There's a reason for that. by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      I've never had trouble finding good beer in the northeast. I find it hard to believe there's anywhere left in the country where good local beer is hard to find.

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    112. Re:There's a reason for that. by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      Knee jerk anti-Americanism is pretty popular on the Internet these days. Much easier to look at the US as one big country rather than a union of fifty states, thousands of counties, and tens of thousands of towns and cities. Only in Europe can two towns five hundred miles away from each other be different and unique. Contrast that with the US where Hoboken is identical to Raleigh is identical to Chicago in the mind of a non-American..

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    113. Re:There's a reason for that. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Ah, New Glarus is a treat. I went to a wedding outside Madison, and spent most of the weekend trying every flavor of New Glarus I could get my hands on. Tried 7 or 8 over all -- good stuff!

    114. Re:There's a reason for that. by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i see your point now. yes, the price of american piss-water beer benefits from our cheap (and government subsidized) commodities. good beers benefit too, but proportionally less, since specialty ingredients comprise more of the mash.

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    115. Re:There's a reason for that. by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      If you do not like yeast you do not like beer.

      I know what you're getting at here, but the yeast itself does have a stronger and different flavor than the actual beer. A sip from the bottom of a bottle of homebrew, with many times the normal yeast, is not going to taste the same as a sip from the top which has minimal yeast. And I do find the yeasty components to be generally less pleasant.

      But I'll back you any day on the claim that just because a cloudy wheat beer like a hefe may have more yeast floating in it, there's nothing at all wrong with it. In fact, a good hefe is quite sublime.

      Note: The person you're replying to is invisible to me, so I can't see the specifics of whatever is being said. Just elaborating on a favorite personal topic.

    116. Re:There's a reason for that. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Knee jerk anti-Americanism is pretty popular on the Internet these days. Much easier to look at the US as one big country rather than a union of fifty states, thousands of counties, and tens of thousands of towns and cities. Only in Europe can two towns five hundred miles away from each other be different and unique. Contrast that with the US where Hoboken is identical to Raleigh is identical to Chicago in the mind of a non-American..

      Well, Americans invented the restaurant chains for a reason, no ?

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    117. Re:There's a reason for that. by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      If you want to go to the Oktoberfest, go around 11am. On a weekday. That's when the locals go. It starts dumbing down(even more) in the afternoon and you might be puked on in the evening.
      Also if you have to go there on a weekend don't go on the middle weekend. This is when the European tourists turn up. They sleep in their cars and won't have had a shower for a couple of days. Hotel prices become silly in that season so this isn't as surprising as it sounds.
      If you like the idea of the Oktoberfest, visit Munich in July(preferably a sunny one) and find one of the thousands of beer gardens and go there. You might even want to go skinny dipping at the Flaucher which I wouldn't recommend near the end of September.

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    118. Re:There's a reason for that. by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      That was over the course of 12 hours and being a bachelor I only had a cold pizza the day before. We played football and I read a complete Terry Pratchett book. Funny thing is I felt definitely tipsy but not drunk.

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    119. Re:There's a reason for that. by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      I prefer Schneiderweisse.
      You should take the time to explain Bock. I've never seen it outside of Germany and it is a fascinating beer. It's very thick and it feels quite nourishing while getting you very, very drunk. If the name of the beer ends on -or you'd better know what you are getting yourself into.

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    120. Re:There's a reason for that. by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

      It's just that the beer that you actually get for your five minutes of work is not what you're talking about. Then again, there's also cheap and very shitty German beer! If you ever come here, don't drink Warsteiner or Löwenbräu, you might confuse it with Miller's or some other American tasteless piss.

      I guess the US and Germany have that in common: you have to know which beer is good and which isn't, then you're set. Here in Germany, you'll want beer from private breweries, much like your Microbreweries: Augustiner, Irrseer, Kloster Scheyern, Hirschbräu or the most tasty Ayinger.

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    121. Re:There's a reason for that. by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Well, Americans invented the restaurant chains for a reason, no ?

      They seem to do fairly well in Asia and Europe, no?

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    122. Re:There's a reason for that. by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Meh, Warsteiner is not half bad; at least it has a bit of a bite in the taste. Since I know that the general German taste tends to the really strong Bohemian hops, I realise that to a German 'a bit of a bite' equals 'love in a canoe', but my material for comparison in mass market beers is Heineken or Amstel, which tend to use the blandest hops they can get while still getting away with calling their beer Pilsener.

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    123. Re:There's a reason for that. by leromarinvit · · Score: 1

      Seems you can take a lot then. Around here (not that far away, btw), that would be 18 beers. I don't think I could walk a straight line after that, even if consumed over 12 hours. Much less read a book or play football. Though trying to hit the ball in that state could be fun. :-)

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    124. Re:There's a reason for that. by Elky+Elk · · Score: 1

      Its far less strict than the 1936 purity laws.

      Too soon?

    125. Re:There's a reason for that. by astebelton · · Score: 1

      That really depends on style. A barley-wine or an imperial stout, definitely. An IPA, fresh is much better. The hop character fades with time. In fact, Stone Brewing just released "Drink By IPA" - bottles will be removed from shelves if not sold by the deadline. Of course, there is so much hype around the drink by that it wont sit on the shelf anyway, but the fact remains.

    126. Re:There's a reason for that. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Which is rather unfortunate. The only beers we seem to export are the cheap crap ones you know of, the best ones tend to only be available locally or regionally. I have had some very good German, Belgian, and Austrian style beers that are on par with ones I have had in those countries. These tend to be craft beers or micro breweries, some even being available only at the restaurant, so they are difficult to impossible to find in my home state.

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    127. Re:There's a reason for that. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      In the USA we have several ranging from sad imitations to quite good representations of the style. Even the yeungling one is not terrible.

    128. Re:There's a reason for that. by Maltheus · · Score: 1

      By northeast, I guess I'm limited that to the tri-state area. But it's in how they sell beer there. If you want a decent beer, you have to drive 30+ minutes to a specialty beverage store as opposed to a quick 5 minute trip to any liquor store. I've just come to accept that when I visit NY, my choice is pretty much limited to Sam Adams.

    129. Re:There's a reason for that. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      Because the whole point of TFA is talking about what the majority, averaged across the entire country, drinks in comparison to the average incomes.

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    130. Re:There's a reason for that. by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      I used to live in western Mass and south-east Conn, and had plenty of great options in both of those places. I guess YMMV.

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    131. Re:There's a reason for that. by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Those beers are popular worldwide.

    132. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto that...

      Belgium has some very interesting and popular beers that would not fall under the Bavarian Purity Law.

    133. Re:There's a reason for that. by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      You're on the right track, but lost it halfway through.
      The more detail you take in the preparation, maintenance and temperature control, the better the product.

      That is why the brews by the monasteries do taste better. If it's not made by a monastery, then it's made by a company that puts OCD style maintenance into the creation of it because it's damned good. I know good taste, and it's a punch-you-in-the-face difference, not subtle.

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    134. Re:There's a reason for that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that the issue is obvious if you read more closely:

      If you do the same anywhere in the US, chances are you'll shit that fast food in your pants if you can't find a toilet fast enough.

      The hint is in the words "fast food." If you are comparing American fast food to restaurant food, it is unsurprising that you find the fast food lacking. You can get that result without leaving the US.

    135. Re:There's a reason for that. by shentino · · Score: 1

      Quite.

      I don't drink beer myself but I'm rather fond of letting the market sort it out.

    136. Re:There's a reason for that. by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      True but so is most the lager people in Europe drink. Beer is pretty good everywhere, but the most mass marketable and mass produceable is awful. and you're only going to see the beers that other countries produce in mass quantities and export. It's one of those rare cases where your lawn is always greener than your neighbor's.

      It's also a matter of what you get used to. I grew up in New Zealand and spent significant time in Australia. Both have pretty poor quality beer in general (just like the US, one can find good microbreweries; but the general popular stuff is pretty bad). When I lived there, I considered Beck's to be a pretty decent drink.

      Then, I moved to Germany.

      Now, there's no way in hell I'd touch Beck's other than to move it out the way to get at something decent. Yet, Beck's is still very popular here and sells well. So, I could use my CURRENT viewpoint and say "bleh, everyone drinks the mass produced crap"; or I could use my OLD viewpoint and say "everyone drinks a pretty good beer".

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    137. Re:There's a reason for that. by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      Other notable disgusting beers: Red Stripe, Sing Ha (the Chinese one, Shanghai water sucks, the Thai malt liquor is pretty good), Watney's Red Barrel, Guinness (awful stout), Heineken, All English brown ales, yeast infected beer (Hefe).

      There are those of us who LOVE the taste of a good Hefeweizen. Personally, I like the somewhat thicker or heavier ones like Franziskaner and Weihenstephaner (arguably the oldest brewery still operating; at just under 1000 years). The somewhat "thinner" tasting ones like Paulaner, Erdinger and so on aren't what I'd recommend to someone trying Hefeweizen for the first time.

      The important thing with Hefeweizen is to think of it as something "different" to beer. If you've spent your whole life drinking Pilseners and Lagers then compare it to those, you'll likely find it strange and unusual. If you go in thinking of it as something totally different however, you may find that you really enjoy it.

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    138. Re:There's a reason for that. by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      I love Guinness (stout or drought) as well as English brown ales and hefeweizen such as erdinger.

      Out of interest, have you tried other Hefeweizen beers? I ask simply because Erdinger is about my LEAST favourite. It's drinkable, but compared to Franziskaner or Weihenstephaner, it's leagues behind (for me).

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    139. Re:There's a reason for that. by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      False, as evidence I present Erdinger and Paulaner. The latter is the Hefe by which all Hefes are judged.

      Paulaner isn't bad, but if you're going to say it's the Hefe by which all Hefes are judged, I'll only agree if you call it the mid-point. Purely from my own personal tastes: If Paulaner is a zero; Erdinger is a negative five (for being too watery); Weihenstephaner is a positive four and Franziskaner is a positive five.

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  4. Conversion error by raburton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a pint != 500mL
    a pint == 568mL

    1. Re:Conversion error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      imperial pint

      in the US a pint is 473mL

    2. Re:Conversion error by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are three different kinds of pints. A 568mL one, a 473mL one, and a 551mL one. The first is used in the UK, the second two (mostly the 473mL) in the US, and (ironically) is the older usage. The UK changed their definition after the US declared independence, so the US uses the older system. But 500mL is a decent approximation, and works just fine when comparing costs.

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    3. Re:Conversion error by kelemvor4 · · Score: 0

      a pint != 500mL a pint == 568mL

      a pint != 568mL
      a pint = 473.176mL

      You're welcome.

    4. Re:Conversion error by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

      A pint's a pound the world world 'round.*

      * Offer not valid in all jurisdictions.

    5. Re:Conversion error by fm6 · · Score: 3, Funny

      And that's why you Brits lost your empire: too much beer. In the U.S. we drink a more moderate 473mL pint.

    6. Re:Conversion error by Bazzible · · Score: 1

      I questioned this difference one time. We aren't served "Pints", we have "Pints" (rhymes with squints). 14 Oz. Glasses. I feel ripped off after the many beers that I have paid for though the years. I thought I was getting a 16Oz pint when I was only getting 14Oz. I say we start a Glass Action Lawsuit and demand our beer we paid for back!

    7. Re:Conversion error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why you're such fun at parties!

    8. Re:Conversion error by Righ · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, many US drinkers of fine beer drink from 20oz glasses approximating an Imperial pint. Sadly, this falls 0.8168 Imperial ounces short.

    9. Re:Conversion error by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Americans are historically anti-Imperialist.

  5. Yes but... by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 1

    How much time do I have to spend messing around on the Internet at work to be able to buy a decent microbrew at lunch?

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    1. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A decent micro-brew should run you around $7 at a restaurant, depending on location and your definition of decent. A decent job that allows for messing around on the internet at work should be paying at least $15/hr, but you Slashdot guys are probably earning at least $30 an hour. Yes I know you are paid salary, but work out the hourly rate. So to answer the question, you generally have to work less time than it should take to drink it. If you are paid $30/hr and find an affordable place with $5 pints, that is 10 minutes. It'll probably take you 20 minutes to drink it.

    2. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Norway? 15-20 minutes

    3. Re:Yes but... by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      A decent micro-brew should run you around $7 at a restaurant, depending on location and your definition of decent.

      And that's where this price comparison falls down. I've had a couple of decent micro-brews in the US and I'll definitely say they were pretty good (certainly up there with middle of the range beers in Germany). However a middle-of-the-range German beer is 50 cents a half-litre in the supermarket (generally around 3 euro per half-litre in the pub).

      I get the feeling the "beer is cheaper in the US" statement is probably only valid when talking about that horrid stuff that no-one who knows what good beer is would ever want to drink.

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  6. How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's fucking close to water.

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    1. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      question is how many will know the source of that quote.

    2. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by sawak · · Score: 2

      It's fucking close to water.

      Exactly, I like American beer :)

    3. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by bfandreas · · Score: 4, Funny

      The philosophy department of the Australian University of Woolloomooloo. Ask for Bruce or Sheila. They will help ya, mate.

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    4. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try a local microbrew before you bash the entire American beer catalogue. If your buying beer in a big box retailer, you're doing it wrong.

    5. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Slashdot, so I'm guessing most.

    6. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Is your name not Bruce? That's going to cause a bit of confusion. Mind if we call you Bruce to keep it simple?

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    7. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by oic0 · · Score: 1

      Try some Sam Adams?

    8. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Pope · · Score: 5, Funny

      The CEOs of Budweiser, Coors, and Guinness get together for lunch.
      When the waitress comes to take their drink orders, the CEO of Budweiser orders a Bud.
      The CEO of Coors follows suit and orders a Coors.
      The CEO of Guinness looks at the waitress and orders one Coors and one Budweiser. The other two are astonished!
      They ask why he ordered two drinks, and says "Oh, I never have beer this early in the day."

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    9. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      It's fucking close to water.

      It's fucking near water. Know your classics buddy.

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    10. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I could sing the song. But I'm sober right now.

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    11. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by dgatwood · · Score: 0

      No idea about the original quote, but "close to" is the only wording that even halfway makes sense. The word "near" refers exclusively to physical proximity. To be correct English, you would have to describe beer as nearly water, which would not make sense in the canoe case, because "nearly" can only mean "almost". By contrast, "close to" can refer to either physical proximity or numerical proximity (similarity).

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    12. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      Near and nearly are synonyms in some dialects of English spoken on the eastern coast of Canada; perhaps elsewhere, too.

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    13. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Xtifr · · Score: 2

      Several years back, a guy I know threw a huge party. He bought cheap beer, but as a joke, he had his own labels printed and replaced the brewery's labels. His labels quite clearly stated, "smooth as making love in a canoe". :)

    14. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Actually, with InBev buying Budweiser, the biggest US beer producers make good stuff, namely: Sam Adams.

      It's all the foreign companies flooding our market with cheap crap beer, so that it's hard to find the good stuff.

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    15. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the funny part about that is, bud and coors have more alcohol in them than guinness.

      guinness extra draught on the other hand....

    16. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Sam Adams is pretty good, but then you're no longer talking about cheap beer.

    17. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter whether a joke is grammatically correct. I remember having read the joke on alt.tasteless.jokes and I found it really funny back then. The words "close to" simply don't roll that well. I maintain this even as non-native English speaker.

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    18. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drinking light beer is like eating out your sister: it might taste the same, but you know it's wrong.

    19. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did the American do when he tried a Molson Canadian?

      Spit it out saying, "Hey! There's alcohol in here!

    20. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alternate ending:

      The CEOs of Budweiser, Coors, and Guinness get together for lunch.
      When the waitress comes to take their drink orders, the CEO of Budweiser orders a Bud.
      The CEO of Coors follows suit and orders a Coors.

      The CEO of Guinness orders a soda water. The other two are surprised, and ask him why:
      "I figured that if you two weren't drinking beer, I wouldn't either."

    21. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see how one would find that funny if you think Guinness is a tasty brew.

    22. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The CEOs of Budweiser, Coors, and Guinness get together for lunch.
      When the waitress comes to take their drink orders, the CEO of Budweiser orders a Bud.
      The CEO of Coors follows suit and orders a Coors.
      The CEO of Guinness looks at the waitress and orders some tap water. The other two are astonished!
      They ask why he ordered tap water, and he says "Well, if you won't drink any beer, neither will I."

    23. Re:How is American Beer like sex in a canoe? by oic0 · · Score: 1

      Good point lol. Sam Adams and Blue Moon are my favorites but they make my tab run 50% higher than if I stick with the big name cheap stuff.

  7. This study makes a serious mistake by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

    It considers abominations like Bud Light to be beer.

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    1. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abomination or not, Bud Light is the best selling beer in not only the US but in the ENTIRE WORLD.

    2. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok that makes a good beer because...?

    3. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but there is great american beer too, for instance the arrogant bastard from stone brewery... but that beer is like 5 times the price of the cheap stuff you can buy here in sweden.. if you can find it at all. But there ARE good american beer too...

    4. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TASTES GREAT!

    5. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by 6031769 · · Score: 2

      Not since 2008.. See, just because you type in capitals, it does not make your assertion true.

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    6. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Words fail me. There's been an awful lot of market consolidation going on in the past few decades. German beer has also gone downhill. You need to be aware of regional breweries or drink the horse pis that's advertised on TV.
      People of the Munich area will be able to tell you what the best beer ever is. Hands down. No contest. Won't advertise. Won't expand. Won't export.

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    7. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by meekg · · Score: 1

      So by extension, McDonald's makes the best burgers in the world?

    8. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      It tastes like water. Just mix some water and vodka. It will save you loads of money and taste the same.

    9. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any sources for that? I haven't seen it outside of the us.

    10. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I would say Andech's, but I think they advertise. They did expand the brewery about a decade ago, so what are you thinking of?

      Either way if you get the chance go visit Andech's and get a dobblebock.

    11. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by sandytaru · · Score: 2

      Budweiser is the king of beers in the same way WoW is the king of MMOs. Thirteen million users can't be wrong!

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    12. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overheard as a guest of someone's house: "Sorry, we're all out of beer. But there's some Budweiser in the fridge."

    13. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LESS FILLING!

    14. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Wow, sending somebody to Kloster Andechs and telling them to get a doppelbock without preparing them for what is going to happen is considered manslaughter in some states.
      That's the beer monchs drank during the fasting season to keep them nourished. And it will make you very drunk if you drink it like anything you are used to.
      If you think the American, Australian and UKian tourists that get piled up in multiple layers around the Bavaria statue during Oktoberfest season are a bit disturbing then look at what happens to them at Andechs. It is a monastery so they were closer to their maker to begin with. So that's only fair, I suppose.

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    15. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Sounds like these are drinking amateurs. Doppelbock at Andechs is clearly only for professionals :)

      Best beer in the world.

    16. Re:This study makes a serious mistake by Jonner · · Score: 1

      It considers abominations like Bud Light to be beer.

      There are probably equally terrible local brands in India.

  8. Low standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Most of the swill served in the US would not qualify as beer elsewhere in the world.

    1. Re:Low standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the water in other countries would not qualify as drinkable in the US. Your point?

  9. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That hardly comes as a surprise given most "beer" sold in the US actually is cleverly disguised water.

  10. Ask Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that mean "Free as in beer" means less or more in the US than it does elsewhere in the world?

  11. Beer by Blimbo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

    1. Re:Beer by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

      We tried banning it, failed, and created modern organized crime and drug cartels. Even Hitler respected beer -- one of the few laws to survive his rule dealt with beer, specifically its importation and rules regarding its quality. You won't find Miller Lite being sold anywhere in Germany today as required by law. Sad how every historical tyrant let the population drink to their hearts content, but our country, thanks to religious intolerance, tried to screw with it and epic failed so hard that the rest of the world felt the impact.

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    2. Re:Beer by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      You won't find Miller Lite being sold anywhere in Germany today as required by law.

      Actually, you can buy it... they're just not allowed to call it "beer".

      The Reinheitsgebot (Purity Law) is no longer a valid law on the books; however there are still laws about naming things according to what they are. The rules for what "beer" is are basically a (slightly) relaxed form of the Reinheitsgebot and so most mainstream American brews aren't allowed to be labelled as "beer" here; but there's nothing stopping you selling them as a "beer flavoured mildly alcoholic drink" or similar.

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  12. Forget coffee... by BillCable · · Score: 1

    Re: OK, UBS: Now please repeat the research with coffee.

    I'd rather see it for bacon.

  13. Define "Beer". by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is a big difference between a "40" of St Ides for 2 bucks, and a 5$ to 7$ pint of "micro-brew".

    St. Louis produces millions of gallons of piss water alternatively known as "beer", but this doesn't mean that the rest of the world drinks this stuff and would classify it as "beer".

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    1. Re:Define "Beer". by dontbemad · · Score: 1

      I'm right with you on this one. I would always pay at least 4 or 5 dollars at a bar/pub for a pint of beer, rather than the $2 crap most people might go for. However, I have to think that they went by the cheapest beers you could buy in each country, or an average cost of them. After all, the study was to find how long it would take to work to drink beer generically. It mentioned nothing about good beer (or beer actually worth drinking, for that matter).

    2. Re:Define "Beer". by geekoid · · Score: 1

      OU might want to look at the top sold beers in the world before making stupid statements.

      1) SNow Beer - China
      2) Bud Light - 47.38 million barrels world wide.
      3)Budweiser 36.98 million barrels also sold globally.

      interesting note, Ireland most popular beer is Coors light.

      SO, what I ma saying is: Shut. Up.

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    3. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'no True beer' argument.

      Please stop using it.

    4. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, no one in the world drinks Bud:
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204603004577268623552072702.html

      I don't like it either, but quite a few people worldwide do.

    5. Re:Define "Beer". by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      According to the chart, retail for 500ml of beer is $1.80. A typical way to buy beer in the US is a 6 pack, which has 2.13L. By their price, that six pack should average $7.66 (2.13/.5*1.80). Around where I live, you can find a six pack for $4 for low end beer, a craft brew might be $8, high end beer can go up from there.

      I'd say their average price seems reasonable. Sure you can find cheap forties or a $15 bomber but on average $7.66 for a six pack seems about right.

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    6. Re:Define "Beer". by dargaud · · Score: 1

      The higher the mass production, the cheaper the beer (or anything else for that matter). And how is cheapness relevant to quality ? I'd say the GP has a good point: what kind of beer did they compare ? Is it the cheapest piss available or some kind of 'agreed to level of quality', whatever that means ? The poor alcoholics get drunk on washer fluid too, so should we compare that ?!? I'd say YOU shut up.

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    7. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just piss water. The A-B (now InBev) brewery in St. Louis has its own water treatment plant. The rest of the city's water comes from wells under the river on the north end, near the confluence of the Missouri and the Mississippi. (That's what those odd "towers" are under the old Chain of Rocks bridge.) The brewery is located on the south end of town, near the waterfront. There's a water treatment plant specifically for the brewery down there, owned and maintained by A-B InBev.

      So it's pretty much Mississippi river water, but isn't held to any municipal standards. A-B InBev tests their own water quality.

      Now for the fun part! Most river towns dump their sewage back into the river (of course!). They're required to treat it first, but to save costs, the sewage treatment plants are usually in a low area along the banks. That way, they don't have to pump it far to get rid of it after it's treated. Fun fact: the Mississippi floods every year. Every. Year. Including this year, with its record low rainfall totals. The same holds true for the Missouri river. Many small towns' sewage treatment plants are flooded in the spring, releasing "acceptable" and "excusable" levels of untreated (raw) sewage into the river.

      Drink up!

    8. Re:Define "Beer". by kermidge · · Score: 1

      True enough but it's all beer: barley, hops, yeast, water, and often-as-not, adjuncts. Not only 'different strokes for different folks' but the wide availability of a huge variety of beers for every budget and occasion is, ahem, refreshing.

      When I'm flush, five bucks for a pint of Smithwicks or Guinness, Sierra Nevada or New Glarus is fine. When I'm down to the dregs of the bank account, a sixer of Big Flats 1901 from Walgreen's at $3.53 with tax is alright. Most of the places I've lived, I mostly drank the prevailing local - Pabst, Hamm's, Stroh's, Old Style, Schaefer, Genesee Cream Ale, Busch - easy to get, affordable, and sufficiently enjoyable for the occasion, be it a couple of whistle-wetters after work or a pig roast. It's all good.

      That said, good homebrew rules.

    9. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your in S.Cal you are drinking my piss. Enjoy.

    10. Re:Define "Beer". by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      2) Bud Light - 47.38 million barrels world wide.

      3)Budweiser 36.98 million barrels also sold globally.

      Sure, "globally", and "world wide"... How much of that "world wide" is the USA?

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    11. Re:Define "Beer". by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      I would think that the top 3 most sold beers have already met an 'agreed to level of quality' - I mean its kinda self-fulfilling with all the people buying the beer and whatnot (the customer has spoken). i think you are being argumentative for it's own sake.

      For the record: yes, i do know quite a bit about quality beer. my friends and i brew it and purchase it, but most importantly we drink it!

    12. Re:Define "Beer". by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Hate to break it to you, but that overpriced microbrew that you are buying did not cost more than 1$ /pint to make. (I consider a pint to be ~500ml, a tall can)

      So you can have cheap good beer, especially if you homebrew. My beer costs about $1/L and is as crafty as they come (I make it in the bathtub!)

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    13. Re:Define "Beer". by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Eh, I thought the hierophant used 'shrooms, not beer ! ;-)

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    14. Re:Define "Beer". by Hank+the+Lion · · Score: 1

      I just drank half a liter from a can marked "Beer". Paid 50 (Euro) cents for it. I'm from The Netherlands, where - the article tells me - beer is 2.48 (dollars) for half a lier. Something doesn't add up here. An average beer may be more expensive here, but five times? come on...

    15. Re:Define "Beer". by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I just drank half a liter from a can marked "Beer". Paid 50 (Euro) cents for it.

      Not in Italy. 50 cents US is a fraction of a Euro, and I seriously don't think that you can buy beer in ANY European country for that little.

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    16. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > interesting note, Ireland most popular beer is Coors light.

      Citation required

    17. Re:Define "Beer". by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Most of us tend to call it piss water.

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    18. Re:Define "Beer". by xaxa · · Score: 1

      How about this: http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=250035553

      £1 for 4x440mL.

      But the usual cheap drink in the UK is cider (in a three-litre bottle): http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=255238708

      5.3% isn't very strong, they used to be stronger. £1.25/L though.

      (This is 7.5%: http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=268773411 . Last time I went to Scotland I met an 11-year-old boy who offered me a sip of his cider in return for helping him stand up...)

    19. Re:Define "Beer". by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      Actually, St. Louis is home to a budding craft beer scene with over 20 breweries in the area.

    20. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because everyone knows quantity == quality.

      "Eat shit, a hundred billion flies can't be wrong"

    21. Re:Define "Beer". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are talking about SUPERMARKET prices in the study, where a bottle of beer is usually about $1.50 - $2.00, even for better beers.

      Hell, I just paid $12.50 for a 12 pack of Guinness on Sunday. That's $1.04 per 331 ml, which is CHEAP. I only have to work about a minute to afford one of those at my salary. In fact, I just earned enough to buy one as I typed this post!

    22. Re:Define "Beer". by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I get my beer for ~$3 for a pint, and that's at a bar which is inherently expensive compared to at home just because your in an establishment. When I buy a 6 pack, it's about a buck a bottle. You don't just pay for the stuff that goes into a product, you also pay for the labor, products used during the labor, building the labor happens in, etc. Also, most people don't want to have a vat of beer in their tub.

      Point?

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  14. Original link? by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    Can anyone find a link to the study, rather than just the chart being tossed around? In particular, I wonder about countries not shown...

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    1. Re:Original link? by fremsley471 · · Score: 2

      No, this was the best:
      http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/09/daily-chart-13
      Love to see their workings out too. Points to massively overpriced cartel running the Indian market (and probably the top 5).

    2. Re:Original link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I must already have had too much beer, I misread the subject as "Original drink?"

    3. Re:Original link? by hvdh · · Score: 1

      I wonder how they came up with US$ 1.90 retail for 500ml in Germany. That's fair for 2 premium or 3 average 500ml units, but not for one. For that price, there is quite some selection of sixpacks at discounters.

    4. Re:Original link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's mainly that beer is taxed heavily by most states. Also, most retailers need pricey licences to be able to sell these, which means they need fatter margins to compensate.

      For instance, this the duty structure for the state of Karnataka - http://www.karnatakaexcise.com/structure.html

      Also, note that all alcohol-related businesses are heavily regulated in India - meaning, they have high levels of corruption and "transaction costs". The only way they can survive is by pushing up the cost.

  15. You get what you pay for? by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

    'Nuff said.

  16. Nicely misleading headline... by neminem · · Score: 1

    If I were to sell a house for 500k in San Francisco, it might be called cheap, where if were to try to sell the same house in BFN, California, it would be laughably overpriced... but they're still both 500k. You can't say one is "cheaper" than the other. This might be an interesting fact about the US that was determined, but the fact is definitely -not-, "beer is cheaper in the US than anywhere else in the world".

    Also that first sentence was interesting, as it turns out, it is as a great example of something we call a "runon sentence", a remarkably unreadable one.

    1. Re:Nicely misleading headline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with that!!

    2. Re:Nicely misleading headline... by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      That's why they measured relative to average wage, rather than absolute dollar amount. Take that $500,000 and divide it by the average salary in each of those cities and then you have a number more comparable to what they were comparing.

    3. Re:Nicely misleading headline... by Jonner · · Score: 1

      If I were to sell a house for 500k in San Francisco, it might be called cheap, where if were to try to sell the same house in BFN, California, it would be laughably overpriced... but they're still both 500k. You can't say one is "cheaper" than the other. This might be an interesting fact about the US that was determined, but the fact is definitely -not-, "beer is cheaper in the US than anywhere else in the world".

      Also that first sentence was interesting, as it turns out, it is as a great example of something we call a "runon sentence", a remarkably unreadable one.

      You clearly didnt read TFA, which did not compare price in dollars, but in time. Amount of time in a day is one thing that is truly universal across the Earth.

  17. Overwhelming amount of people drinking natty light by cod3r_ · · Score: 1

    That's all this proves.

  18. cheap beer is cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's the takeaway here.

  19. ...and half the comments make the same dumb joke. by tgeller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll save you the time: "American beer sucks, har har har".

    Really? You *all* think you're clever for saying that?

    Anyway -- it's not even true. That is, it's a meaningless statement. America has an enormous range of native beers, of every style, strength, and flavor. It's true that our tastes run toward weaker beers, but it's just stupid to say popular = "American".

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  20. "The Economist" Big Mac Index by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    They have been doing something similar using the price to Big Macs in various countries to analyze exchange rates: http://www.economist.com/search/apachesolr_search/big%20mac%20index

    I guess economists do have a sense of humor . . .

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  21. Newsflash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Natty Light is cheaper than Guinness. More at 11.

  22. Cheap beer, Good beer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its true that the most popular American beers are low quality. But damn, if they aren't cheap. Compared to my usual favorites they taste like lightly flavored soda. (Hense the nickname "Barley Pop") Sip a Budweiser after a good IPA and you'll swear you just took a drink of Mt. Dew. (Not even remotely kidding. Try it)

    Even then, there are some very reasonably priced good quality (And somewhat mass produced) brews here and I've got a feeling we'd still be near the top of the list. Even if you like "American" beer (Which is called American style pilsner) you can pick up brews made with high quality ingredients that taste much better. (Budweiser tastes like plastic to me)

  23. ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But, I strongly suspect that there is a correlation between the availability of inexpensive mood altering substances, like alcohol, and the amount of bullshit that the average working person will be willing to endure.

    Look at the prohibition era in the US; crime and criminality were rampant, and so was outright civil disobedience. Activism by juries in courtrooms were at stellar highs.

    Now, we have "the cheapest beer in the world" (pun intended), and our citizenry is reluctant to raise a finger against even clearly horrendous civil liberty violations, like the recent "indefinate detainment" legislation.

    I would like to see research comparing effective availability of alcohol and other drugs with the rates of political activism.

    Mind you, its just a hunch.

    1. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Art+Challenor · · Score: 1

      There was an interesting shift in attitudes to alcohol as society shifted from an agrarian to an industrial economy. You can follow a horse pulling a plough while fairly drunk and the fluids are probably useful - beer was a common drink. As soon as wealthy industrialists needed sober workers to work in factories you see the rise of the anti-alcohol groups.

    2. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To get intoxicated from American beer takes a bit of work (unless 12 beer lunches are the norm where you are)

    3. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      Bread (pop) and (nitro) circuses!

    4. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Water supplies before the industrial revolution, most likely well after that it started, was unsafe to drink so alcoholic drink were actually more healthier, not to mention safer, for the common man and woman!!

    5. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      It's not the availability that matters - it's the per capita consumption. (Down considerably nowadays from days past I suspect.)

    6. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point, except the "indefinite detainment" clause in the NDAA was overturned.

    7. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      Political activists love to get together and drink and argue, in my experience

    8. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Good to hear, but there is no shortage of abusive legislation here in the states. That one was merely well known about.

    9. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      The point in contention was "political activism that makes persistent movements", vs political activism that gets together, drink, agues, and passes out on the floor every week.

      Alcohol for some would allow them momentary repreive from the oppressive reality they would otherwise find sufficietly insufferable as to seek reformations and changes.

      There are only 2 datapoints I directly can observe, which is woefully insufficient. I would love to see additional points of data on this subject matter.

      Again though, just a hunch.

    10. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, I strongly suspect that there is a correlation between the availability of inexpensive mood altering substances, like alcohol, and the amount of bullshit that the average working person will be willing to endure.

      Look at the prohibition era in the US; crime and criminality were rampant, and so was outright civil disobedience. Activism by juries in courtrooms were at stellar highs.

      Now, we have "the cheapest beer in the world" (pun intended), and our citizenry is reluctant to raise a finger against even clearly horrendous civil liberty violations, like the recent "indefinate detainment" legislation.

      I would like to see research comparing effective availability of alcohol and other drugs with the rates of political activism.

      Mind you, its just a hunch.

      Good Heavens. That would imply that those resisting marijuana legalization have as a goal maintaining discontent. But who benefits from the Tea Party?

    11. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also, television

    12. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say most of the population being on hardcore psychoactive drugs (Like Adderall, Xanax and Prozac) has something to do with it.

    13. Re:ok now.. dont go apeshit at me here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting theory. Now explain the war on drugs.

  24. Price is cheep, quality is cheep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The day the US will give lessons on how to make decent beer is the day they'll be able to make decent coffee.
    In other words, not a chance in hell.

    1. Re:Price is cheep, quality is cheep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America likes beer too cold and coffee too hot - that way you can't taste it.

  25. Why is this funny? by fm6 · · Score: 1

    Beer sales in the U.S. are $100 billion per year. It's the sort of thing financial people take notice of.

  26. I need the money by TimHunter · · Score: 1

    It's a good thing beer is cheap. I need the money to pay for my iPhone.

    1. Re:I need the money by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points, this deserves it.

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  27. That's only half the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, well, too bad US beer sucks raw eggs through a very thin straw.
    They should have compared how long people have to work for a decent beer (in which case I would expect some European country to win, possibly Germany, the UK or Ireland).

  28. Cheapest, yes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes it's the cheapest for "near frozen gnat's piss" values of "beer".
    Captcha is "standard", yeah, the "standard" is "not worth drinking".

  29. lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in bulgaria you can get 3 litres of beer for about 2 USD

  30. This buds for you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But you'll go to prison for an awfully long time if you possess this dried flower, leaves from that plant, this fungus or that cactus.

    Of course only one of these will put you in that lovely 'don't give a fuck' state you need to get over the fact that you just finished a 70 hour work week at your two jobs and are still only scrimping by.

  31. Field expedient disinfectants ... by perpenso · · Score: 3, Funny

    There's one purpose for alcohol, and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers. So I'll raise my glass, which is cheaper here than anywhere else, and toast Vodka's awesomeness.

    There are at least three practical purposes. Add disinfectant to the list, also add fuel / fire starter when the proof gets above (80?). Obviously these are not the intended purposes but Vodka has been used in these ways when the circumstances warranted.

    The following explanation has been attempted in many armies over many years:
    "Sir, that is not a still. That is an apparatus creating field expedient disinfectant for the doctors/medics/corpsmen, sir."

    1. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Four, if you count getting the girl (guy) drunk enough to get them to have sex with you. I live in a college town, and that seems to be the #1 reason people get drunk, so that they can have sex with people they normally wouldn't have sex with sober.

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    2. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Made beer in a bucket in a pit under our tent in Desert Storm. Only way to get temps down to reasonable levels. Wasn't bad (dark ale) but no easy way to filter it. And yeah, was a medical unit (Air Med-Evac).

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    3. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a wonderful story hidden in your terse phrases and I'd like to read more of it.

    4. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not really. We were set up about 10 miles south of Kuwait border, maybe 25 miles inland. This area wasn't movie desert; was just a field of dirt. There was a pile of dead goats nearby where the local Bedouin had slaughtered their herd before heading south when the shooting started. A unit of the 2nd Marine Division was in front of us and there was a Navy hospital set up south of us. Air Med-Evac worked with the Marine medics to treat and stabilize the wounded and fly them out on a C130 to hospital stations further back.

      I'd seen Catch 22 and MASH and knew how war was supposed to work. I brought along beer making supplies and a Hawaiian shirt. My helmet cover had "Ours is not to reason why..." on it.

      Our location in Saudi was really weird looking; smoke from the oil fires created a low ceiling of black smelly clouds that the sun couldn't get through and with the flat ground of the desert, it felt like being a bug trapped between two flat surfaces. If you've ever seen a winter in central North Dakota, you'll know what I mean. From our location we could see the big air-fuel bombs they were dropping on the Iraqi positions; you'd look north and see the dull red-orange glow of fires and then you'd see a small dot of light drop down from the clouds before going back up. Then there'd be a large flash of bright light and maybe 30 seconds later, the ground would rumble and shake. The scale of it all was almost overwhelming. For myself, it appeared to be a battle between the old gods and giants or maybe the attack on Minus Tirith in LotR. It also reminded me of Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse 5 and the firebombing of Dresden; something so overwhelming in szie it was... there's a word that I can't think of, where something isnt beautiful but still grabs your eyes and you can't look away. That's what I was seeing; something so far beyond human capability or scale yet here we were, shaking the earth and setting the sky on fire.

      Wasn't until years later that I found out Tolkien had been in WWI and experienced artillery bombardments and Vonnegut had been in Dresdan.

      After the bombing stopped, we moved north and started taking prisoners and trying to patch them up. Our 30 man unit had almost 5,000 Iraqis to care for. They were mostly farmers and such, sent to the front lines with barbed wire and landlines in front and behind them, with the Republican Guard shooting any that tried to leave. Until the bombing started. They got theirs on the road north.

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    5. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by kermidge · · Score: 1

      Awesome.

    6. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      GP was right. There was a wonderful story to be told here, and thanks for telling it.

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    7. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, figured out the word: sublime.

    8. Re:Field expedient disinfectants ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, 100 proof or more is needed for flammability, and 190 proof Clear Spring doesn't kill any pathogens worth worrying about in the first place.
      Nice try.

  32. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Completely agree. The US has some of the best and worst beer in the world. I think what happens is that most places don't export there worst so imported beer always tastes better. With regards to the absolute worst, I have heard china makes really putrid beer with rice in the recipe, but have never been able to buy it.

  33. US You make me Proud by superflit · · Score: 1

    Living in Colorado where the food stinks BUT....
    BUT there are many micro breweries that have good and tasting beers.
    So it is even ;)

    1. Re:US You make me Proud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living in Colorado where the food stinks BUT....
      BUT there are many micro breweries that have good and tasting beers.
      So it is even ;)

      Yeah but you can't live on beer alone. ^_^

    2. Re:US You make me Proud by superflit · · Score: 1

      Tell that to Thooorrrr ;)

    3. Re:US You make me Proud by Sepodati · · Score: 2

      I'm living in beer heaven, Belgium, and I miss the CO brews. Greater variety there, but really... I'm not complaining. Especially since I just finished my first Westvleteren. :D

  34. Yes, but what is the cost of the best beer ever? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    The question is not can you get swill cheaper in the States, but what does good real beer cost in each nation.

  35. UK and Ireland? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Strangely, the data from UK and Ireland seem to be missing. Anyway, normal Czech beer on average costs something like $0.60-$0.70, not $1.25 per 1/2 litre.

  36. price per % of alcohol by seyyah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What were the results when you multiply by the average percentage of alcohol found in native beers?

    1. Re:price per % of alcohol by IAmStrider · · Score: 1

      I think using this methodology would have produced a much more informative result. I'm a homebrewer and there's a definite cost for higher gravity/better quality brews. The stereotypical weak American beer from macrobreweries use a fair amount of cheap adjuncts (like corn sugar) to boost the gravity but add little to the flavor of the beer.

    2. Re:price per % of alcohol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the USoA would still "win", that with an abundance of grains and all that. Plus, low taxes on alcohol. Over here, pure alcohol costs about 60 EUR/litre (where the next country over it'd be half or a quarter that, but that's still 2.50 material cost and 12.50 duty per litre; OTOH if you really want it, you can ferment and distill it yourself--takes a couple weeks, a bit of kit, and is a hassle, but it's explicitly allowed for own use and doesn't incur duties then). Compare that to the price of white lightning.

      The thing is, though, you usually don't drink beer for the alcohol (alone). You drink it for enjoyment, and that includes taste, lack of which can't be made up for entirely by just dropping the temperature to minus forty. If you correct for that, then the USoA probably wouldn't "win", if not exactly "lose" on the list either. But you can't really correct for taste, can you now?

    3. Re:price per % of alcohol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that warm climate makes the alcohol more potent. That's why e.g. German beer, when being brewed in Africa, gets a lower alcohol concentration.
      (Assuming it's not beer, if there's sugar in it. Otherwise that is a factor too.)

  37. Flawed information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the article the prices listed are for a beer bought via retail chanel.

    I live in Mexico and I'm pretty sure that beer here is much more cheaper than the price listed in the study.

    Not the best beer, of course, but you can get 700ml (more than a pint) of Corona beer for less than a dollar at many retailers.

    1. Re:Flawed information by Sique · · Score: 1

      And the prices for Germany are messed up to. They put it at an average of $1.90 in Germany, but in reality the average is closer to $1.25. Maybe they falsely included the refund you get if you return the empty bottle or can to the store.

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    2. Re:Flawed information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can get 700ml (more than a pint) of Corona beer for less than a dollar at many retailers.

      I've had Mexicans tell me that only foreigners drink that shit.

  38. Misleading headline by Hentes · · Score: 0

    American beer is only cheap compared to American wages. And that's only because American wages are high, it has nothing to do with beer.

    1. Re:Misleading headline by vlm · · Score: 2

      And that's only because American wages are high

      Which screws it up even worse, since the labor force participation rate is low and dropping fast. Soon, we'll be a minority of population working country.

      Better to take median annual income than median wage, since only about sixty percent of the population currently has a job.

      There are countries with higher, and lower, labor force participation rates. Beer consumption is not limited to wage earners, in fact it tends toward non-wage earners, which has some secondary price forcing effect, in that if your consumers are unemployed and students and retired people, expensive good stuff isn't going to sell.

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  39. I'm Belgian, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    enjoying an Orval (2.5€ btw) while typing this message. Do you guys really pay more than $5 for beer?

    1. Re:I'm Belgian, by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      I'm in the US. The Belgian beers come at a premium around here. (4-pack for $8-9)

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  40. Duh! Americans drink lots of cheap corn/rice beer by cshay · · Score: 1

    Of course it's cheaper. I drink Pabst from time to time and it is acceptable, especially for the price. But in most other countries people would take exception to tasting corn in their beer.

  41. Its the quality ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and Vodka tends to accomplish that faster and with less vomiting and hangovers ...

    To be honest the beer in Munich seems to do so as well compared to what I was used to in college in the US.

  42. Beer costed me $10 in a bar in Los Angeles!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mfw the bartender tried to play it off by telling me "It costs more because it's a draft."

  43. Half the Price is Taxes by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    About half the cost of beer is taxes. And then a sales tax is applied to that price usually. So we tax tax. So the cost of beer minus taxes is incredibly reasonable.

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  44. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah yes, because not all potential inclusions meet the arbitrary standard to define the concept, the whole idea is void.

    It's stupid to think your pedantry is anything but meaningless rhetoric.

    I suppose if we wanted to cater to you, we'd say something like "The common concept of the Watered-down Flavorless American beer" to be specific, but you know what?

    The rest of us aren't shit for brains like you.

  45. Pint is not 500ml by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Inferior US pint is 473ml and Proper Sized UK pint is 568ml.

  46. Economists prefer the Big Mac Index by perpenso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beer isn't a standard thing. Not even close.

    And that is why economists prefer the McDonalds Big Mac for currency comparisons. :-)

    Seriously, economists do have a Big Mac Index.

    1. Re:Economists prefer the Big Mac Index by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Big Mac isn't quite a standard either, the US Big Mac has more calories in it than the UK Big Mac.

  47. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a joke idiot.
    The average price is brought down by the preponderance of cheaply made, cheaply priced beers.

  48. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by commandermonkey · · Score: 2

    But Standard American Lager is a recognized type of Beer, like IPA or Pilsner Although not the only type of beer produced in the US (and one I prefer not to drink), it is the style most commonly associated with US beer. Do all American beers suck? Defintally not. Does the beer type closely associated with the US, bears the name America, and the top 3 brands, BudLite, Budwiser, and CoorLite, which account for 50.1% of the US market, suck? Depends on your taste.

    But like it or not, and I am guessing you do not, this popular(in the US) style of beer is what is meant by American beer.

    BJCP Standards for judging American Standard Lagers
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lager
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_the_United_States#Economy

  49. Yes :) by Teun · · Score: 1
    Truth can't be hidden for ever :)
    It's all about what you consider to be beer.
    In Germany it's ingredients are mandated by law, a very simple requirement the large US brewers could never meet for the present price.

    But hey, when it in a free market makes the majority of drinkers happy, what's there to complain?

    B.t.w, I'd rather have a Italian, Spanish, Chilean, South African or Australian wine, hmm, let's have a look in the cellar :)

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  50. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well said.

  51. "Retail Price?" by Strange+Quark+Star · · Score: 1

    I don't know where they got their figures for beer prices from. They say .5 l of beer in Germany is $ 1.9. That's a very high price for beer at convenience stores, maybe, but high quality beers go for at most € 0.7 ($ 0.9) around here, in supermarkets. There are brands going for as low as 23 Eurocents, some cans below even that. What do they mean by $ 1.9 retail?

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    1. Re:"Retail Price?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here convenience stores and grocery stores only sell low end beer. You have to go to specialty stores for the good stuff.

    2. Re:"Retail Price?" by Sique · · Score: 1

      They probably messed up and included the refund for the bottle or can.

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  52. Err, okay by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    But is there a reason we should care?

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  53. Taxation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The articles are low in details, but calculating taxation might change table.

  54. Budweiser = no gluten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As someone with a gluten allergy, Budweiser is my beer of choice, since it's made from rice and not wheat/barley. I know there are other alternatives (Red Bridge, a couple of imports as well) but for the price, they can't beat Budweiser.

    I never have to go to a bar and wonder if they can cater to my odd allergy, since almost every bar in the US sells Bud, or Bud Lite. Now, most Bud drinkers don't give a hoot about what it is made out of, but that is something to consider.

  55. $1.90 in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait a moment...

    They assume $1.90 as the average price for 500ml retail beer in Germany? Where did they get that number?

    The majority of beers sell for less 1 Euro per 500ml bottle and if you go for discount store brands (which are NOT all bad!), you can get good beer for 40 Cents or less for a 500ml bottle. So how does that come out to $1.90?

    1. Re:$1.90 in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you live in Germany? How can I get citizenship there? Trying to get out of the US, permanently.

  56. DENMARK! No contest! by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    I've been living in Denmark for quite some time, and I can tell you - no one beats the Danes when it comes to cheap shitty beer.

    You can purchase a SUPER strong 8% beer in Denmark (Called Harboe) for half a dollar, 33cl.
    And occasionally around Christmas, you can purchase a so called Christmas beer for 1 DKK (4-5 STRONG beers on ONE dollar), now tell me where in the world you can beat that.

    I've been in USA a few months ago, your beer is tasty, but not super cheap. Drinking at the local bar in a SMALL town in Northern America set me back 8 USD per 50cl glass of beer, not exactly whoppingly cheap, it actually cost the same as drinking beer out in Copenhagen (which, is a relatively big city).

    I bought a few brewskis at the gas-station near the motel I lived in the US, cost me 2-3 USD per bottle, not expensive, but still WAY more than even a luxury beer in Denmark.

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    1. Re:DENMARK! No contest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much are the Mikkellers there?

    2. Re:DENMARK! No contest! by Sepodati · · Score: 1

      I must not have been getting the cheap, shitty stuff, because I remember the beers running me around 45DKK in Aarhus and Roskilde when I was traveling through there. Can't remember the names of the beers I was getting, but they were pretty good.

  57. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by houghi · · Score: 1

    Many beers use rice in their recipe. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_(Anheuser-Busch) : It is made with up to 30% rice in addition to hops and barley malt

    Do understand that this is not the only brewery doing this. Many of the large breweries do this. Stella Artois also does this. Also many brewers don't, but then in Belgium we use cherries in the beer making process for some.

    When people talk about beer, many think of beer only being allowed to be brewed according to the Reinheitsgebot which is not true. Others just think of pilsner.

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  58. Economist's Cheeseburger Index by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See also: http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/06/purchasing-power-parity

  59. Ethiopia by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    When I was in Ethiopia beer was 32cents a bottle. It was pretty good microbrew stuff to. Sadly the average wage in their capital city was something like $7/month.

  60. How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Figure the one time set up cost for a home brew: ~250 bucks.
    Hops kit required: ~50bucks

    Result: 5 gallons of GOLD. As it's difficult to guess the breakdown on the startup costs per batch, let's ignore it for a moment and focus on simply the cost of the materials to make a batch. At 10bucks/gallon for whatever quality you want, that's pretty damn spiffy ( of course, I'm ignoring labor too. Because it's a labor of LOVE ).

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    1. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by IAmStrider · · Score: 1

      THIS. If you can follow a recipe and cook/bake, you can homebrew. Try it, you'll be hooked on cheap beer whose quality you can control.

    2. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by EricWright · · Score: 1

      Go for a malt-forward brew and you can get by on about $23-25 for a 5 gallon batch, which will yield north of 50 12 oz bottles. Under $0.50 for a good beer is a nice price point, but as you say, there are some up-front equipment costs, ignored labor costs and TIME!

    3. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      I have a very hard time believing that some random person can pick up a beer making kit and produce anything like the quality that others have spent generations refining.

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    4. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Believe it. Hell, try it yourself; you can probably get in for less money than GP's estimate if you research it first.

      Humanity has been making beer for ten thousand years; it ain't hard. Commercial beer, even microbrew, is driven largely by the needs of high-volume production techniques.

      Can you bake a loaf of bread that is compatible, quality-wise, to a loaf you buy from somewhere? Same basic thing.

    5. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by Rhacman · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I'm not the best judge of quality but I was enjoying the beer I was making from beer #1. A colleague who was much more of a beer connoisseur than myself (and wasn't afraid to tell me his opinion) told me he enjoyed it but it lacked the complexity he desires in a beer. So yea, it probably wouldn't have won an award but it was enjoyable to drink even without considering the satisfaction of having made it myself. Like many hobbies, skill and experience opens the doors to take on more complex projects and being able to better match a particular style. Additionally, like many hobbies it is ok to paint outside the lines. You may not exactly match the style you were shooting for if you change out a malt or ferment at a slightly higher or lower temperature but if you at least manage to keep a sanitary work area you'll have a drinkable end result that you'll enjoy all the more for having made it yourself.

      This is Slashdot, so I know we can all boil water for our mac&cheese. If you can add to that keeping a fairly sanitary workspace then that's all you need to make some honestly good beer.

      (By the way, that one-time setup cost of $250 is probably on the high end. If cost is an issue you can get started making 5 gallon batches for around $100 for equipment and about $30 for some of the cheaper ingredient kits.)

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    6. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by dkf · · Score: 1

      I have a very hard time believing that some random person can pick up a beer making kit and produce anything like the quality that others have spent generations refining.

      It's not that hard. The smaller the batch, the easier it is to brew a decent beer. The hard part is scaling up while keeping the consistency. (This means that the brewers of Bud and Miller are indeed skilled brewers, even if they are also evil sods. Either that or they're blending their batches...)

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    7. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Ya, I over estimated the startup costs on purpose. Even at 250, that's damn cheap.

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    8. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by kermidge · · Score: 1

      First, likely not a random person, rather a person who already drinks beer, likes it well enough to want better, and has some spirit of adventure and perhaps the perspicacity to gather a bit of background and solid information on what he proposes to do. I recommend starting with Charlie Papazian's books.

      Assuming a reputable bit of kit, one gets decent ingredients to follow a basic recipe. It's just not that difficult. Will your first batch be as clear as something from the store? Likely not. Would you consider selling it? Not if you're sane. Will you enjoy it? Unless you've really screwed up (mostly by not following simple directions), of course you will.

      No, it likely will not be cheaper than Big Flats 1901 or Steel Reserve. It will, however, be good and it will be yours.

    9. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by lewiscr · · Score: 1

      I've had a bit of practice, but it's really not that hard. This is no craft brew, and certainly not a time honored family recipe. It is tasty on a hot day.

      • Buy a pre-hopped extract. I made a Cooper's Bitters recently. This one says to add 1 pound of sugar, but I use prefer to use one pound of Dried Malt Extract (DME).
      • Acquire a food safe plastic bucket + lid. Buy one, or ask a local restaurant for a used one.
      • Acquire some food safe plastic tubing. I couldn't find anybody to borrow, so I bought it.
      • Buy some bottle caps and a capper.
      • Acquire an air lock and rubber stopper.
      • If your bucket doesn't have a hole in the lid, drill a hole in the bucket's lid so the stopper/airlock will fit snuggly.
      • Wash the bucket, lid, stopper, airlock, and a big wooden spoon. Don't use soap. Make sure it's visibly clean, then soak in diluted bleach. Rinse with potable water.
      • Put 4 gallons of potable water in the bucket.
      • Dump pre-hopped extract and sugar/DME into the bucket. Stir until dissolved. Dump yeast packet (it came with the extract) in the bucket.
      • Put the lid on. Insert rubber stopper into the hole, fill the airlock with water (to the line), and put the airlock in the stopper.
      • Let sit for 3-14 days, until it stops bubbling.
      • Clean ~50 used beer bottles (prefer the kind that need a bottle opener, but twist-off will work, they're just harder to cap). Soak tubing, bottles, and caps in diluted bleach. Rinse everything with potable water.
      • Using the food grade tubing, start a siphon, and fill as many bottles as you can. Leave some room in the bottle; fill it to the same level as store bought bottles.
      • Add a teaspoon of sugar/DME to each bottle for carbonation. Measure carefully, err on the side of less sugar. If you add too much sugar, you may be making a CO2/glass bomb. Cap bottles.
      • Let bottles sit for 3-5 days at room temp.
      • Chill bottle and enjoy.

      The most important step is cleanliness. Make sure everything is visually clean, and not scratched. Make sure everything has been in good contact with the dilute bleach. Make sure the bleach is well rinsed before it touches the ingredients/beer. If the beer gets moldy, or doesn't look/smell like beer when you're done, don't drink it.

      There a many different techniques and gadgets for every step in that process. Every step can be expanded and customized to make the beer more uniquely yours. You will get better results with better equipment and a better process. But you dont' have too. This process, plus a can of pre-hopped extract will reliably make decent beer. It's not good beer, but it's better and cheaper than american mass-brews. This process costs US$20-30 to setup, and about $20-25 for 2 cases of beer. If you're really cheap, you can make it cheaper (use a growler instead of bottles+caps; use sugar instead of DME).

      If you're interested, I recommend Complete Joy of Home Brewing. If you're already a brewer, and you don't believe me that you can make beer with this setup, then I recommend The Alaskan Bootlegger's Bible.

    10. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then you turn into *that guy* who insists you try his/her awful tasting beer when they have perfectly good beer in the fridge.

    11. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would I share it?

      Pride plays second fiddle to gluttony in my world.

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    12. Re:How do you make it cheaper? Home brew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to go to All Grain. Easily make 5 gallons for less than $30. Buy a mill and buy in bulk and you can get it around $25. Start saving yeast and you can get close to $20 a batch.

  61. Why is American beer like making love in a canoe? by eminencja · · Score: 1

    Its f*ing close to water!

  62. Lower quality/alcohol by Dunge · · Score: 0

    And lower quality/alcohol level

  63. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then, TFS talks about beer in general, i. e., average beer you can get without any hassle (you might call it popular). The standard (US) American beer is esthetically weak compared to a standard, say, German beer. We (I'm Gerrman) have pissy beers, too, and even some quite popular ones are awful, but the German beer in general, with dozens of good big breweries (and even more great smaller ones), is very good. The Reinheitsgebot contributes to the tastiness, of course, but I've also enjoyed some foreign beers which were not brewed according to those regulations.

    Not to mention the great beers of our neighbors (especially Czechia) and weizen, which does obviously not comply with the Reinheitsgebot, despite of its taste ... but weizen is definitely different than pils, therefore, we should not include it in an international beer discussion.

    Cheers.

    PS: The doubled R in my nationality was a typo initially, but I didn't fix it because some may like it. ;)

  64. What's the difference between American beer and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a pussy?

    The pussy only tastes like piss for the first ten seconds.

  65. Re:The quality of beer in the US is lower... by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    Only if you drink Bud/Miller/Coors Light

    I would argue that West Coast craft brews are the finest in the world

    Especially the IPAs

  66. Budweiser is the best beer ever made by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're an ignorant cunt if you disagree. Fuck off, cunts.

  67. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 2

    I suspect that the percentage of beer sold in the US that belongs to the sucky variety vindicates the joke.

  68. cannot be correct by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Anyone can tell you that if you cross the border to Mexico for some college trip thing or something like people always do, the drinks are under half the price. They obviously must have adjusted the beer price for average gross income of the country or something because Mexico has us beat. They don't just mark it down to attract customers from the US, it seriously is cheaper everywhere, even southern Mexico.

    1. Re:cannot be correct by Urza9814 · · Score: 1

      This study isn't comparing [price per liter] of beer. It's comparing [price per liter]/[average salary]. So yes, the beer price is adjusted for average income -- as are the figures in this study. FFS, even the summary says it's about how many minutes the average worker must work to afford a beer. So sure, the drinks may be half the price in Mexico, but the average worker's wage is a lot less than half that of the US.

  69. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

    I wonder if it's circular logic, that american beer sucks because american beer sucks and everyone says so. Or is some type of hipster sentiment "You like American beer? Bah! You don't know beer. My favorite beer? You've probably never heard of it, so I won't bother mentioning it."

  70. Another opiate of the masses? by klek · · Score: 1

    "Give my people plenty of beer, good beer and cheap beer, and you will have no revolution among them" - Queen Victoria

  71. Difference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the difference of having sex in a kano and a budweiser.

    It's both fucking close to water.

  72. And still i quit drinking over price. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even 20 years ago I starved my self so I could hang out at the pub and drink beer.

  73. $2 pint Tuesdays at a local microbrewery by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    Now, if I want bottled craft beer $2 is on the cheap side. But for fresh beer made in a big copper tank, I'll gladly pay two bucks a pint and enjoy its cheapness.

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  74. Bad statistic... by Troyusrex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is really measuring the wealth of countries, not the cheapness of beer since it measures the number of minutes worked to pay for a beer. Even the major European economies have per capita GDP's 20%-30% lower than the US when measure via PPP (Purchasing power parity).

  75. US beer =/ world's beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The beer may be cheaper than the rest of the world on average.

    The rest of the world wouldn't call what we drink beer.

  76. Beer in the US is also very weak by atlasdropperofworlds · · Score: 1

    ... at least the big-name stuff is. The microbrew industry has normal strength beer. Canadians enjoy 5-6.5% in large-volume beer, and microbrews go up to 10% (@ Unibroue)... maybe higher. Tequilla, however, is far cheaper in (many parts of) the US than in Canada. No idea why. You also get Chimayo, which we don't >:(

  77. Why stop there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If putting hops in it makes it better it was probably piss also. In fact why don't you just drink distilled water?

  78. the real conversion WTF by hierophanta · · Score: 1

    the real conversion WTF is that they used US dollars as the common comparison factor. the chart should show the cost of beers in hours need to work needed to buy one. the way that this data is presented does not allow for an apples to apples comparison whatsoever

    1. Re:the real conversion WTF by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      feel free to ignore me, i just RTFA

  79. Wtf?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Half liter of beer > USD$ 20 in Brazil?

    Just checked it... a little more than one dollar (two quarter of a liter bottles).

    Wait, did these guys drink beer while researching?

    1. Re:Wtf?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I've read the chart wrongly... doh!

      They say it's 1.70 in Brazil, which is not too far from reality...

      Sorry, my bad.

  80. As a Canadian, I used to believe the same thing... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 1

    Then I moved here and discovered that there's more to American beer than Coors Light and Budweiser (the latter now only American insofar as you consider the US-based arm of a Belgian company to be American.)

    The truth is that there are dozens of smaller breweries and hundreds of microbreweries, none of which have superbowl-size advertising budgets, but offer plenty of world class American beer. But, to the extent that your primary lens on American culture is nationally syndicated television (as mine was), you'll continue to be out of touch with reality.

  81. Recompare with houses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have them see how may hours do people have to work to afford different types of accommodation in the world. Or food for that matter. That should be really interesting.

  82. Where is it then? by drwho · · Score: 2

    I have never been to a place in the US where beer is as cheap as it is in Germany. I am not saying that the cheap stuff is the best quality, but their cheap beer is better than the average US beer, by far.

  83. As more cultured parts of the world say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An alcohol based culture is a degenerate culture, but then others who say we get the dictators required to maintain the borders and the population of the nation. The measure of the success of which can be gauged by the the amount of alcohol that the population must consume to bare living under that yolk.

  84. Itally was cheaper and better beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know this "america is cheapest" is worked out based on wages, blah blah blah.

    but Italy would be way up there on actually being cheapest.

    1L of Peroni Nastro Azzurro was €1.49 when I went to Italy 2 years ago.... cheaper then bottled water!

    and you know.... actually tastes like beer too....

  85. More conversion error(s). by jiriw · · Score: 1

    I didn't know 1 euro converts to $2.48 these days.

    Because in the Netherlands (fourth cheapest on the chart) the retail price, including VAT and alcohol taxes at one of the more expensive supermarkets of 500ml premium beer (Grolsch in this instance; also one of the more expensive 'normal' beers) is about € 1. That should be somewhere around $1.20-1.30... No way beer is on average twice that amount for half a liter!

    Link to webshop of supermarket: http://webwinkel.ah.nl/process?search_parameter=grolsh&catacodestyle=AH&action=albert_noscript.modules.build

    Minimum wage before state insurances and income tax in the Netherlands for everyone 23 and older is €1,456.20 on basis of a 40 hours week. This is about €1,230 after taxes.

    http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/minimumloon/vraag-en-antwoord/hoe-hoog-is-het-minimumloon.html

    40 hours = 2400 minutes. 1,230/2400 = 51.25 €cents / minute. Which would make a Dutch person on minimum wage work 1 minute and 57 seconds for his beer.

  86. Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where nerds pretend to be beer elitists.

  87. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    American Microbrew is bloody gorgeous. I say that as a Brit (known for our ales) who frequents the states fairly frequently. But the thing is, it's in the frickin name! Microbrew. Not a lot of it is made, lots of small places make small amounts which add up to a reasonable amount across the country, but pales in comparison to the swill churned out by the rest. We have a similar problem over here, lots of nice ales everywhere, but the plebs are drinking the BUL lager. What can ya do?

  88. Unlike Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whereas Canada (at least Alberta) is probably the most EXPENSIVE place on earth for beer.

  89. Beer vs. burgers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are UBS trying to coin it's own rival to the McDonald's Index as promoted by The Economist?

    1. Re:Beer vs. burgers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is also noteworthy that India is at the top of the UPS Beer Index (expensive) while it is at the bottom of The Economist's Big Mac Index (cheap)...

  90. Don't you mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you mean "You can buy the cheapest pint of beer froth in the USA"?

    Seriously, dudes, as a Brit, I like a decent head on a pint, but

    a) there should be SOME beer underneath it!
    b) It ought to last most of the way down the glass.

  91. Most expensive health care, least expensive beer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least we have our priorities straight.

  92. Notify the Obama Campaign by cwgmpls · · Score: 1

    Here is one economic achievement that people of any political persuasion can applaud. Nobody can say the U.S. economy is a complete dud when its citizens have the most beer buying power in the world!

  93. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Except that none of these good native beers that you speak of would be cheap enough to classify as cheapest in the world.
    American beer classifies as cheapest in the world because a large portion of your population are will to actually purchase the incredibly cheap, watered down crap that many of your big breweries do produce.

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  94. Beer is not beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly the cheapest beer in the world then would be moonshine that had a couple drops of beer accidentally spilled into it. Price? About five USD for a pint of 98-100% grain alcohol.

  95. What about ciders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you crazy Americans have a lovely range of ciders at all? I only ask as when I see Americans talk of alcohol, cider doesn't ever seem to get a mention, it's always about the beer and how manly it is to drink beer and how patriotic you feel while drinking the manly American beer.

  96. The classic IS "close to water". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is love-in-a-canoe coffee!
    How's that?
    It's fucking close to water.

  97. All american and australian I know of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Say the american beer sucks, and they *like* to drink german and austrian beer. Personally i don't drink any. But hey keep thinking your cheap beer is betetr than the rest of the world if you prefer.

  98. Not just for locals by Master+Moose · · Score: 1

    On A trip to the U.S. a few years ago, I was suprised to find a local New Zealand Beer (Steinlager) for sale in the supermarket a few dollars cheaper than I could buy it here.

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  99. Only 27 countries in the list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "in the world"

  100. ITC I expected to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tons of Beer snobs. I wasn't disappointed. The level of US bashing was higher than expected. Then again, US bashing is the new cool thing to do on the internet. It seems to be how you prove you're legit now.

  101. Oh, please! by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    Do not try and pass off that chilled gnat's piss as beer, because it is not.

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  102. beer and revolution by gizmo_mathboy · · Score: 1

    "Give my people plenty of beer, good beer and cheap beer, and you will have no revolution among them" - Queen Victoria

  103. ...totally meaningless... by zenyu · · Score: 4, Informative

    The inexpensive American "beer" that is used in this calculation uses maize and rice instead of barley as the main ingredient, grasses that happen to be heavily subsidised here and hardly used to make beer anywhere else. If you want to drink beer that is made of the same base ingredients as the real stuff then it will cost about 2x as much in the supermarket here as it does at a bar in Amsterdam. There are a lot of breweries in the US that make some really good beer, especially ones founded in the last two decades, but that stuff ain't cheap, at least not yet.

  104. American Beer == Adjunct Beer by stanjo74 · · Score: 1

    "American" lager (not the same as "made in the USA" lager) is a very light style of lager with adjuncts like corn and rice. Save the barley and hops, use lots of government subsidized cheap corn and you can make cheap beer. Check out Trader Joe's "Name Tag" lager - 6-pack/$2.99. http://www.traderjoes.com/fearless-flyer/article.asp?article_id=165 Website says "all-malt beer, with no rice, no corn – no fillers of any kind", but it reeks of corn.

  105. BS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Germany I can get 1 litter of Hofbrau or Lowenbrau for 2-3 Euro. I come back to the states, and not only is Lowenbrau NOT HERE IN THE STATES, But Hofbrau is about $3.50 per 11.2oz. Sure, I can get piss water, aka miller, bud, icehouse, corona, etc. for a dollar and change for a 12oz, but this is PISS! Sam adams is still not as good as Hofbrau, and it costs more!

    Where the F*CK are these MORONS at the economist getting their info from?? Beer in the states is EXPENSIVE!

    Hell, I just ordered 48 bottles of Hofbrau Okt. fest bier for $160 today. That's what... $3.33 a fing beer! At least I was able to find some too, took 6 months of searching.

  106. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by c0lo · · Score: 1

    but it's just stupid to say popular = "American".

    Fine!! But... if one would be to say "American" = unpopular, would it be correct then?

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  107. plain wrong explanation of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - finding cheapest beer doesnt mean you can compare average wages only, you have to subtract mandatory spendings (at least). After then you can compare the result diveded by average retail beer price.
    - average quality of retail beer is substantially better in most Europe than in US, especially in Czech Republic, Germany, Belgium and so on. I would say beer from Czech Republic priced $0.25 will be equal quality like a beer priced $1 in US (basically both will be a shit).
    - average retail price of beer in Czech Republic is $0.5 - $0.7, it is no way $1.25 (maybe in very fine restaurant, pls dont compare that few hotels in centre of Prague, where you will pay $5 or more).
    - I am pretty sure that in Czech Republic is beer cheeper than in US, and what is more important, LOT better. Thats why we drink most beer per capita in the world (by high margin) :-)

  108. Typo in title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beer Is Crapper In the US Than Anywhere Else In the World

    There, fixed that for ya.

  109. You get what you pay for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, its just not that good.

  110. What a country ! by No2Gates · · Score: 0

    Now I understand the true meaning of the song "God Bless America"

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  111. No Scandinavian countries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised that after several perusals I still fail to see any scandinavian countries on here.. considering the punitive taxes on alcohol and the relatively high wages, they'd make an interesting comparison, adn I'm surprised anyone would draw up such a chart without them. In Norway, for instance, the cheapest beer in the store is going to be about USD 3.50 per 500ml. I've been unable, in the course of my exhaustive 45 seconds of research, to find a figure for the median wage in Norway, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't score very high on the hours-of-labour/pint of beer chart.

    1. Re:No Scandinavian countries? by Hagaric · · Score: 1

      http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/01/daily-chart-3 clearly norway is high on the big mac index...

  112. Re:Yes, but what is the cost of the best beer ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    an important point is that the very best beer in the world, at any given time, is the cold one in my hand.

  113. Perhaps this explains our political discourse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would ponder it.

  114. Lower bottom line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This proves nothing but the fact that the bottom line is lower in the US than in most other developed countries. Yes, the cheapest beer is cheaper than anything you can get in other places, but it's also undrinkably crappy. If you want anything close in quality to what you'll get in those other countries, you'll pay more, not less. And it's the same with all other food & beverages. Before I came to the US, I was happy to learn from statistics that the cost of living is way lower than in my home country in Europe. After I arrived, I was dismayed to learn that this is only true if you eat intolerably bad stuff. After trying it for 2 months and failing to get my digestive system to adapt, I went back to my old standards of quality, and now I spend about twice as much money on food and drinks than in my home country.

    (posting anonymously to avoid undoing moderation)

    1. Re:Lower bottom line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lol! That's funny, but so true. Last time I was in Germany (Frankfurt am main) I ordered 3 things off a Chinese food menu that cost me ~10 euro. What I wasn't expecting to receive was enough rice to feed a small American town, half a pig, and so much beef and broccoli that i could of lived off of it for a week. I had forgotten that over in Germany, one doesn't need to spend an arm and a leg to eat hearty. OMG there was so much food!!! I still miss the doner kabab's :(

      Why did I ever come back to the USA

  115. And by 'cheaper', by hduff · · Score: 1

    we don't mean less expensive.

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  116. Cheap and good? by formfeed · · Score: 1

    Yes there is good American beer. But I disagree with the funny statistics:
    the three runner ups were Czech Republic, Germany, and the Netherlands. I don't know about income to beer price in the Czech Republic. But at least in the Netherlands and Germany you can buy a half way decent beer for about the price of cheap beer in the US. And that's what counts for me when I look for a decent beer, not the average beer price

  117. For the love of Christ by Twisted64 · · Score: 1

    READ the submission before posting. If it doesn't make sense, add/remove/modify words until it does, ok?

    The first sentence probably needs to start with the word "While."

    India tops the LIST.

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  118. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    The prices between 'cheap' and 'craft microbrew' aren't that large. Around here even the cheap stuff averages out to more than $1/can for a 12-pack, while many of the craft microbrews are only $8 for a six-pack. The difference between $1.10 and $1.33 is not that huge.

  119. Says more about worker wages than beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am in India and I know it costs Rs.180~ (less than 3 US dollars) for a pint of either Carlsberg or a Heineken. It takes us longer to get a cold one because we have some of the lowest wages in the world.

    That doesn't make the beer cheap, but it does say the something about our "job creators"

  120. It's cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    their beer is mostly water :D

  121. For a given definition of a pint by Monty+Worm · · Score: 1
    According to Google at least, a pint = 568ml.

    Perhaps the reason that they're so cheap is that the US is serving short measure?

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  122. So proud... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yaaaaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!!
    We're number one in something!

  123. Belgium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hall hail Belgium beer! No doubt, the best beer in the world!

    1. Re:Belgium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American (commercial) beer is CRAP!!!

  124. Re:Yes, but what is the cost of the best beer ever by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    Not so the Ale across the room/house/town/ocean is always better than the yellow lager in hand. Besides good beer does not need to be ice cold.

  125. Cheap beer by drc37 · · Score: 1

    When I was in Estonia about 14 years ago, you could buy 3 beers, recycle the 3 bottles and have enough to buy a 4th.

  126. I call bullshit on that one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here in germany you can get a premium brand beer, like Beck's or Jever or similar for about 1,20€ at the gas-station at 4:00am ... thats about 1,55$ US ...
    at every supermarket u can get a low-price-segment-brand of large well-known breweries for as low as 29 €-cent thats about 2,5 litre for the price the study gives.
    So an unemployed person who recieves around 700€ to 800€ a month (up to 400€ for housing/rent ~360 € in cash) this means, assuming 160 hours of "work" per month, it's 15 beers per hour, or 4minutes of "work" per beer... and thats for the unemployed / social security users.
    Acutally its quite difficult to find a beer with prices 1,90 € a bottle in a german retail-store. Öttinger (most drunk beer brand in germany) sells at 6,99 € a box (20x0,5 litres) or 0,34€ a bottle, while higher class brands seldom exceed 12 € a box or 0,60 €... hell, to attract poeple in the store discounters sometimes sell for 3,77€ a box, again (20x0,5), or 0,19€ a bottle see
    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/a-671651.html (german version) the article states this causes mineral water to be actually more expensive than beer.

    Wouldn't be surprised if someone mixed up a few numbers there at UBS... they are swiss, they mix up the numbers all the time, especially in UBS statements concerning germans doing some little tax-evasion/fraud in switzerland :-)

    So... cheers

  127. Americans and Beer...low standards by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    America being the cheapest place to get beer in my experience is because the beer is...well...cheap. I hated beer when I was in the USA. After I tried beer from England, Ireland, Germany, France and especially Belgium, it occurred to me that I hated American beer because it was bad (and cheap) beer. I also wonder if this is contributing to Americans being so overweight compared to the rest of the world...hmm....

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  128. WTF?!?! $7 for a pint?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, where the hell is this coming from? I live in Toronto and I don't pay $7 for a pint. I drink Keith's & Sleeman's, maybe the occasional Labatt's, and I'm spending anywhere from $4-$6.50 or so depending on whether that particular beer is on special or not, like "Keith's Night" or whatever.

  129. This is cheap, but what is expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the US has the cheapest beer (or "beer"), but the most expensive and slowest Internet. (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/09/25/2126238/why-american-internet-service-is-slow-and-expensive). Hmmm.

  130. Re:Nail on the head... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In America, it is illegal to call anything beer that has a reasonable percentage of alcohol. Malt Liquor usually means that its fully fermented, though without anything in the way of quality or potability. Ales, stouts, lagers, &c. might be good enough to drink, if from the right brewer. I don't know what they have locally, but Mexico and Canada only seem to send us their own versions of tastelessness. (Except for the Guinness, although It seems like it tasted better when it came from Dublin.) The Japanese and the Germans manage to bottle up some darn good lagers and ship them here, I think that Budweiser could match them if they put taste ahead of profit, ROTFL.
    I think its apples to oranges to compare foreign beers to ours, when our recipes rank price ahead of quality.
    YMMV, go ahead and drink it if you can.

  131. Booyah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got some Stone Ruination Ale and Black Diamond Rampage at Costco yesterday, not much cheaper than at a regular store, but they are good at moving inventory out before it gets stale, which is absolutely critical for beer. BTW, try Drake's I.P.A., if you can get it, lotsa hops and they seem to ship smaller, fresher, batches than most anyone else, I think they learned it from the coffee-roasting-for-costco gig that the former owners of the brewery had.

  132. Beer is better by JavaBear · · Score: 1

    Beer is better everywhere else as well, only fair it cost a little more.

  133. Seriously derekmead, , of all things? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For starters, no one thinks you're cool just just because you drink coffee. When you proclaim hipster stuff like "I can't function without coffee, blah blah blah", all that happens is people look at you and wonder things like "what are you, 12?" So get of this thing that you thinks makes you as cool as James Dean just because you imbibe a liquid that is meant to be taken at DESSERT, because it doesn't. It is coffee, for heavens sake. Not exactly the sign of macho.

  134. Re:Nail on the head... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    In America, it is illegal to call anything beer that has a reasonable percentage of alcohol.

    This line says it all, and the bolded out part indeed. "reasonable" is a word that is of perspective alone. If you're going to attempt to make fun of something, at least use amounts, instead of personal perspectives.

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  135. Re:Why is American beer like making love in a cano by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    hey.. hey .. hey *taps shoulder, laughing* hey.. hey..
    why is an american beer like making sex stuff in a canoe? it's fucking close to water! haha

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  136. Vietnamese Drink Beer Anywhere by nguyenanseo · · Score: 1

    International bank UBS gathered data about the median wages and average retail prices of a 500mL (pint) beer in 150 countries mua ban xe oto

  137. Re:...and half the comments make the same dumb jok by shentino · · Score: 1

    Isn't that a good thing we like to call "competition"?

  138. Not strange at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Economists have been using the big mac index for years - beer is no different