Maybe in your area, but certainly not here, and neither where I lived before four years ago, either. In new installs, certainly. In repairs, it dominates copper. Swab&glue is a heckuva lot easier for most people than using a torch is.
As to cost, here, pex is more expensive - and yeah, it's easier to charge for - but it's by far the most common install in new construction.
I've dealt with copper for years, and plex is like a breath of fresh air, actually. It's *much* easier to install and maintain, and one only needs three or four tools to work with it - unlike copper, for which I have a thirty gallon tote full of tools.
I'd much rather deal with plex, thank you. Plus it has great freeze resistance;-)
No, most plex installation uses exterior compression rings over barbed fittings. Yeah, it doesn't hurt to heat the line, in order to make it softer, but it's hardly "fusion welds".
As to potential damage, both are about the same, in my experience. One advantage that plex has there is that it's flexible between tiedown points, which mean it might move when the nail hits it - not copper. Most people who pound nails in the wall and find some resistance just whack the nail harder.
But that's the whole point of routing the plumbing where people aren't likely to be pounding nails. Unlike running electrical lines to avoid the same problem, this is pretty easy.
I bet I can splice a section of plex a helluva lot faster than you can repair the same section of copper *grin* - I might not even have to cut a half meter of drywall out to gain access.
I'd be interested to see if you have a link supporting your comment about the durability.
Or did, once upon a time. Hell, once upon a time it was a crop necessary to the military.
Perhaps we should plant all our interstate ditches with hemp. The infrastructure to cultivate it is more or less already there, in the form of mowing and maintenance machinery, no? I wonder how much of a dent in fuel costs that would make?
(Yeah, it's an out-of-my-ass idea. That's why I'm flinging it out. )
Interestingly, from the perspective of a star collapsing into a black hole, it never actually quite makes it, as time slows down as gravity becomes stronger.
No. Time flows normally from the perspective of the star. It's for the outside observer that time appears to slow down (it never really would appear to *stop* it would just approach infinitely slow.)
But for a hypothetical observer on the star, time would appear to proceed normally. Also, if I'm remembering right, for the star observer the *rest of the universe* would appear to slow down, as well, if there was some way to observe it. (I know that applies to high-percent of c velocities but can't remember if it applies to gravitational effects as well)
My first thought as a "on-the-side" home PC tech was - oh gawd, here we go again. Fuck this, I'm not gonna listen to my voicemail until next week '=) -
Oh, yeah, I've seen that a few times. The worst I've seen was a large family with eight computers in the house from W98 to XP. They finally got cable internet instead of dialup,but couldn't figure out how to hook everything up, so a local genius came over and set up the Mom's Windows ME box as an internet sharing machine hooked to an old 10mbps ethernet hub.He set it up correctly - as far as internet connectivity is concerned;-)(apparently charged them over $200, too)
The whole setup lasted about 24 hours before they figured out something was wrong (and then they didn't call me for almost another week. By that time...) The ME machine, amazingly, was pretty clean, which means that it would boot completely - probably because it had been the machine hooked to the dialup, and was auto-updating (I didn't reload it, although I probably should have. But it wasn't bad). Most everything else was hosed right into non-operability, save two of the w98 machines (which are easier to recover then XP in many cases, anyway).
He also ran the cables all over the place, under doors, etc. This in a household with 5 young children, two large dogs, and ? cats. Nice work, dude, especially the duct tape;-)
It has to be the worst mess I've ever seen as a home computer tech. It took me about an hour to realize just how badly fucked they were, and it wasn't until I had the whole story and had seen three obviously rooted machines that I knew. Needless to say, I didn't charge them as much as I probably should have, but it just wasn't worth it, and they couldn't have afforded it anyway; and I'd just started building some new toolsets like bootable windows cds that I was itching to try out.
Only a half-dozen calls from them in almost two years since, with everything working superbly, is worth it, as was the experience. But it was pretty ugly;=)
For the most part, males don't discuss this sort of thing in quite the detail women do, when it comes to body functions. It's a fundamentally old, and stupid, social firewall rule.
*snarky*
Or often because someone else couldn't either. Lately with WinXP seems like about half the techs out there don't want to reload or don't know how to identify a rooted install.
His conversion number seems awfully high... even the ones with the worst hosed machines generally don't want to try something different, IME it's more like 5%;-(
The happy successes are nice, tho - especially lately, more of them lately thanks to Ubuntu.
*snarky*
One of the best things to install early on is partimage. Particularly useful when you are doing experimental installs on new hardware (saved me tons of time on my new amd64 system.) Most boot disks (knoppix) have it installed, and all you need is to be able to mount the partitions and lan working, you can recreate it things pretty easily.
(speaking of boot cds/backup, has anyone found a solution to the "Detecting Adaptec I20 Raid Controllers" hang problem with sysresccd on some of the nvidia motherboards? Only posted here because I can't find an answer anywhere else, before I try rebuilding sysresccd kernel/complete )
I was thinking that myself. There's an awful lot of RF noise in those places.
The posts above got me thinking, wasn't there once a program for the VIC20 which you could use to play with AM radio output? I only had mine for a few months until the Atari 400/800s were out, but it seems to me I remember reading about something like that in Compute! or somewhere'r'nother.
How nice. These cameras are operated at taxpayer expense, are they not?
So to get coverage of yourself in public, on a public funded camera, (perhaps... to prove you were somewhere at some time?) you have to pay for the footage, which is already being taken at your expense... yup, they know how to suck money out of citizens, they do.
*snark*
I like that one... I'll remember it the next time I get one of those overseas calls (which have increased in number lately, are the US telemarketers doing even more outsourcing? It'd figure. )
Oh, and a reminder - you need to change your sig *grin*
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CPVC is no longer very wisepread.
;-)
Maybe in your area, but certainly not here, and neither where I lived before four years ago, either. In new installs, certainly. In repairs, it dominates copper. Swab&glue is a heckuva lot easier for most people than using a torch is.
As to cost, here, pex is more expensive - and yeah, it's easier to charge for - but it's by far the most common install in new construction.
I've dealt with copper for years, and plex is like a breath of fresh air, actually. It's *much* easier to install and maintain, and one only needs three or four tools to work with it - unlike copper, for which I have a thirty gallon tote full of tools.
I'd much rather deal with plex, thank you. Plus it has great freeze resistance
*snark*
"fusion welds"?
No, most plex installation uses exterior compression rings over barbed fittings. Yeah, it doesn't hurt to heat the line, in order to make it softer, but it's hardly "fusion welds".
As to potential damage, both are about the same, in my experience. One advantage that plex has there is that it's flexible between tiedown points, which mean it might move when the nail hits it - not copper. Most people who pound nails in the wall and find some resistance just whack the nail harder.
But that's the whole point of routing the plumbing where people aren't likely to be pounding nails. Unlike running electrical lines to avoid the same problem, this is pretty easy.
I bet I can splice a section of plex a helluva lot faster than you can repair the same section of copper *grin* - I might not even have to cut a half meter of drywall out to gain access.
I'd be interested to see if you have a link supporting your comment about the durability.
*snark*
Or hemp, which grows practically everywhere.
Or did, once upon a time. Hell, once upon a time it was a crop necessary to the military.
Perhaps we should plant all our interstate ditches with hemp. The infrastructure to cultivate it is more or less already there, in the form of mowing and maintenance machinery, no? I wonder how much of a dent in fuel costs that would make?
(Yeah, it's an out-of-my-ass idea. That's why I'm flinging it out. )
*snark*
They're also good for throwing at bad actors.
;-)
Doesn't that technically make them a munition?
*snark*
It's pretty much always been like that. However, homo sapiens is trying for a new record, with the US in the lead.
I can't recall any particular government in history that had it's metaphorical head screwed on straight wrt science. Anyone?
*snark*
Interestingly, from the perspective of a star collapsing into a black hole, it never actually quite makes it, as time slows down as gravity becomes stronger.
No. Time flows normally from the perspective of the star. It's for the outside observer that time appears to slow down (it never really would appear to *stop* it would just approach infinitely slow.)
But for a hypothetical observer on the star, time would appear to proceed normally. Also, if I'm remembering right, for the star observer the *rest of the universe* would appear to slow down, as well, if there was some way to observe it. (I know that applies to high-percent of c velocities but can't remember if it applies to gravitational effects as well)
*snark*
Nobody really knows. The problem is that mathematics breaks down "inside" a singularity (along with everything else? :-)
;-)
Technically as far as I understand it it's not "infinite" density, it's an unmeasurable density.
Thankfully, there aren't any black holes close enough to send an unmanned probe to
*snark*
If it doesn't, it wasn't syrupy enough.
*snark*
I can't think of anything more likely to P.O. a judge than to ask to get into his courtroom, then call him a buffoon.
Well, they didn't call him a buffoon, but they did imply, in a sense, that his opinion was irrelevant.
But any judge who can't stand a few insults, perhaps should not be a judge, eh? It comes with the territory.
*snark*
Does anyone know for sure whether they are going to respect the old default browser settings? Just knowing will be helpful to a lot of people.
*snark*
My first thought as a "on-the-side" home PC tech was - oh gawd, here we go again. Fuck this, I'm not gonna listen to my voicemail until next week '=) -
;)
Whew, a brief reprieve...
*snark*
Oh, yeah, I've seen that a few times. The worst I've seen was a large family with eight computers in the house from W98 to XP. They finally got cable internet instead of dialup,but couldn't figure out how to hook everything up, so a local genius came over and set up the Mom's Windows ME box as an internet sharing machine hooked to an old 10mbps ethernet hub.He set it up correctly - as far as internet connectivity is concerned ;-)(apparently charged them over $200, too)
;-)
;=)
The whole setup lasted about 24 hours before they figured out something was wrong (and then they didn't call me for almost another week. By that time...) The ME machine, amazingly, was pretty clean, which means that it would boot completely - probably because it had been the machine hooked to the dialup, and was auto-updating (I didn't reload it, although I probably should have. But it wasn't bad). Most everything else was hosed right into non-operability, save two of the w98 machines (which are easier to recover then XP in many cases, anyway).
He also ran the cables all over the place, under doors, etc. This in a household with 5 young children, two large dogs, and ? cats. Nice work, dude, especially the duct tape
It has to be the worst mess I've ever seen as a home computer tech. It took me about an hour to realize just how badly fucked they were, and it wasn't until I had the whole story and had seen three obviously rooted machines that I knew. Needless to say, I didn't charge them as much as I probably should have, but it just wasn't worth it, and they couldn't have afforded it anyway; and I'd just started building some new toolsets like bootable windows cds that I was itching to try out.
Only a half-dozen calls from them in almost two years since, with everything working superbly, is worth it, as was the experience. But it was pretty ugly
*snark*
The "War on Terror" is mythological propganda. The real war is religious fundamentalists vs. religious fundamentalists. *snarky*
For the most part, males don't discuss this sort of thing in quite the detail women do, when it comes to body functions. It's a fundamentally old, and stupid, social firewall rule. *snarky*
Or often because someone else couldn't either. Lately with WinXP seems like about half the techs out there don't want to reload or don't know how to identify a rooted install. His conversion number seems awfully high... even the ones with the worst hosed machines generally don't want to try something different, IME it's more like 5% ;-(
The happy successes are nice, tho - especially lately, more of them lately thanks to Ubuntu.
*snarky*
One of the best things to install early on is partimage. Particularly useful when you are doing experimental installs on new hardware (saved me tons of time on my new amd64 system.) Most boot disks (knoppix) have it installed, and all you need is to be able to mount the partitions and lan working, you can recreate it things pretty easily.
(speaking of boot cds/backup, has anyone found a solution to the "Detecting Adaptec I20 Raid Controllers" hang problem with sysresccd on some of the nvidia motherboards? Only posted here because I can't find an answer anywhere else, before I try rebuilding sysresccd kernel/complete )
*snark*
I was thinking that myself. There's an awful lot of RF noise in those places.
The posts above got me thinking, wasn't there once a program for the VIC20 which you could use to play with AM radio output? I only had mine for a few months until the Atari 400/800s were out, but it seems to me I remember reading about something like that in Compute! or somewhere'r'nother.
Don't give Diebold ideas ;-)
*snark*
How nice. These cameras are operated at taxpayer expense, are they not? So to get coverage of yourself in public, on a public funded camera, (perhaps... to prove you were somewhere at some time?) you have to pay for the footage, which is already being taken at your expense... yup, they know how to suck money out of citizens, they do. *snark*
Comparing bush to caesar is a horrible insult to the legions. You should be ashamed :-)
(although I agree with your other sentiment, shoulda been pulled out of the oven long ago and redone with new ingredients)
*snark*
I like that one... I'll remember it the next time I get one of those overseas calls (which have increased in number lately, are the US telemarketers doing even more outsourcing? It'd figure. )
Oh, and a reminder - you need to change your sig *grin*
*snarked*
That is the weirdest part about all this. A law was passed, and it actually works. *snark*