It has never been easier to make a telephone generate its own fart sounds...
Well, here you go! These are the "killer appz" that make the Apple fanboyz go mad. This is 90-95% of all available progies for iPhone.
...or do a variety of other things, some of which are actually useful.
Fair enough. I admit there is this 5% of some really cool applications for iPhone. But my initial post (which I find ridiculous that had been moded as "flamebait", this was NOT my intention) wanted to stress a point.
Both Symbian and Android can do what iPhone does and even more. And developers can leverage the WHOLE underlying technology. So the iPhone Store story is only a stupid buzz. The developers need to wake up and port their useful apps to Symbian and Android as soon as possible. Because it CAN be done and actually their apps will probably even look and run even better!
As long as we have a 50-60% market share for open source mobile OSes we are ok. I'm afraid of what will happen if Apple somehow prevails and becomes the Microsoft of the mobile OS market.
... it will be less than capable of the respective Nokia N-device but as always the Apple marketing and fanboyz will put so much light that everyone will be blinded by yet again another incomplete smartphone that locks you to the dark side. Is Apple becoming the Microsoft of the mobile world?!
I don't know... but I'm telling you something guys: this is 2009 and we have Symbian & Android which together reach some 60% of the mobile smartphone market and are OPEN SOURCE. Imagine if Linux had a 60% market share on the desktop OS what boost would we have for open source applications.
So let's not pull are eyes out with our own hands and choose iPhone NOT.
How many days pass until they archive this thread so you can stop responding ironic nonsense to me?
If the EU was using a different protocol you would probably not have this conversation today with me, so be careful what you're praying for...
For the last time: it's not robbing or fear, it's a final warning for an equal system that will work for all. Globally. Of course you won't agree as you will never agree to leave a permanent position and veto power in the UN Security Council.
No country releases its powers without first fighting. I hope in the end your country won't be as thick as you have been in this thread. We can all live and prosper along, using agreed international standards and systems.
Again, that's fear talking. But, as I've pointed out. If you don't wish to rely on us, BUILD YOUR OWN DAMN SYSTEM. Stop demanding the US turn over control of something it owns simply because you're afraid of "what if".
I will quote only this part because at the rest you simply repeat yourself.
It's not fear talking, it's sensible talking. We are going to be build our own damn system in the end, as we're doing with the Galileo GPS system.
And everyone loses cause there won't be ANY "technical darwinism". Simply closed systems that get evolved with different priorities and agendas and need every now and then international (huh, pun!) "workshops" to deal with global interoperability.
I hope the adjective "empirical" is not there to hide unscientific or statistically weak methods... She's a lawyer professor afterall... sort of a scientist who talks her results out!
Nothing is currently hindering interoperability. As for "advancement of the network"? Okay, there's no.sex or no.xxx. So what? Creating a virtual red-light district on the internet solves nothing.
OMG, are you thick or something? I'm not gonna lose my time pointing the elephant in the room.
Interoperability means having a UNIQUE and UNIVERSAL standard. Sooner o later one of the goverments denied of these "virtual red-light districts" will be denied of something else and out of national interest will go on and create its own DNS system. Then another one will follow and another one and another one. And there you have your fragmented Internet which works ok as long as you surf and use the infrastructure of your own country.
Also, please don't forget that LEGALLY, the US owns the resource we're talking about.
Pal, you own nothing if the other goverments decide to do show. But that won't be to the interest of no one. You simply own the original system of DNS which everyone happens to oblige at the moment. Legally speaking, US law enforcement finishes at your country's borders.
Again, a "what if" fear-monger strawman. Well what if dogs and cats lived together? MASS HYSTERIA!
Well, smart guy, I could say the same for you. Why you fear so much to give away the DNS?
I'll tell you why: for the same reasons your country didn't sign the Kyoto treaty and does not allow international courts to process US soldiers. It's all about sovereignity and interests.
You want to believe you are "the good guys" and all the rest of us the idiots who live in tyrannic states... fine. Who cares. But you're gonna lose the DNS system when the EU or Japan or China decides to do so. And that would be bad for all of us! It's the same story as the Galileo GPS satelite network. We don't want to be owned by you once your military decides to pull out the plug for some obscure PATRIOTic reason.
Come up with a REAL reason, not some product of your fear of the US.
Thankfully, I was educated in a American secondary school in a foreign allied country of yours. I don't fear the US. I simply fear your citizens' inability to understand other countries' points of view. Since we're in/. simply consider the computer language standards. I didn't see ANSI cry because it lost control of the standardisation process of C++. Having an ISO was good for everyone on earth, not just the US.
There are ZERO technical reasons for relinquishing control to an international body.
There are ZERO legal reasons for relinquishing control to an international body.
Nonsense.
Lots of technical reasons such as interoperability and advancement of the network. Internet is connecting the whole world, nowdays, it's not limited to some defense institute and a couple of colleges.
Lots of legal reasons as well. What happens if the rest of the world considers a "rogue state" the United States? You think of yourselves as the "good guys" which is ok for me, but so can do the North Koreans, the Cubans, or the Iranians. Since all of them should and can be using the Internet for communication/commerce/etc we need a neutral and objective institution to regulate 'Net technicalities above politics.
The Internet should be administered by an international body.
I understand that many Americans want to keep their hands on the project their country invented and advanced, for security or productivity reasons, but the Internet has been so successful because of the international networking it helped achieve.
Otherwise here in the EU we would have used the French standard and I would have posted a similar silly post to the "La BarreObliqueDot"...
I agree to most of your points, Etylowy, but hey... give Ovi some time. It has been working for less than 48 hours and its biggest moment will come when the new N97 launches next month.
The N97 is the killer phone for the killer Ovi apps. All other usability problems will fade away once the Ovi guys start listening to users' feedback, as it always happens.
So, based on what you have listed, it appears that the Nokia platform is vastly superior - why is it that the first time I'm hearing about it is from a comment on a story on/.?
There have been many posts about the Symbian OS in the past here in Slashdot. Nevertheless, Symbian is much weaker in the United States than it is in Europe. Slashdot has an international audience, of course, but it mainly driven by its American contributors and readers.
I'm pretty sure most Americans hadn't even heard about FIAT before it bought Chrysler's assets, this doesn't mean FIAT didn't exist or prosper before that event.
One major boost for Ovi applications development is the coming Qt support for Symbian/S60 porting.
Old Symbian C++ programming was a real pain, now porting desktop or mobile applications, games, widgets, etc across a range of different devices should be really easy. I see many productivity advantages for the developers who opt for Symbian/Ovi, something Apple won't have for its iPhone.
I'm essentially a beginner in C++ programming and at least for that language I found extremely easy and straightforward doing projects on Qt Software's free IDE. Even if you don't implement their toolkit in your projects, you can still have a stable and unbloated environment to do some serious coding.
There is only one caveat, afaik, with Qt Creator. It's still in version 1.1.1... this means it probably misses some features (or has some not so obvious bugs) which shall probably be covered in later major releases. Nevertheless, if you bind Qt's capabilitities (ie, signals and slots) to your C++ projects there is no better IDE to unleash your productivity!
You can have more information and download your free copy here.
Between this and the fix ongoing on Hubble, where are set for some more time of great and impressive astronomy. Thank you NASA and ESA for keeping the good work.
My thoughts exactly! I can't stop thinking the wonders they could achieve if they worked as a united force. Space science and exploration is really costly. Instead of pursuing different goals they should unite NASA, ESA, JAXA, and the Chinese "under one ring" and create a truly global team.
They're not trying to fill them up completely, nor to stop taxing people by fining foreign companies.
Nevertheless, 3-4 billions here and there never harmed the EU! They could be used to finance the movement of the EuroMPs between Strasbourg and Brussels!:p
Seems that the EU has found a 'fine' mechanism (pun intended!) to fill its coffers. Just charge the fat cows of the American economy with two or three of these fines and we will leave behind the global economic crisis...
You have to understand the "ABC is dying/dead" mentality.
It doesn't matter how much market share you have, only that your market share is decreasing and some smaller technology which they favor has an increasing market share.
It doesn't matter that at the rate of decline it would take 20 or more years for whatever it is to die. Or that the decline may be arrested. Saying something is dying is usually misinformed or more likely spreading FUD to hasten the decline.
Quickly! Say Windows is dying so we may see it before Singularity kicks in!!
What can I say... Qt is becoming a dream platform thanks to Nokia's insight!
- a powerful language/library (C++) - real cross-platform - support for embedded and mobile applications (a great alternative for the difficult Symbian C++ language) - open source and nice licence (LGPL) - exemplar own IDE but also Eclipse/VS integration - additional languages supported
I think modeling and then enslaving an AI to perform like your long-dead father is morally questionable at best. It shows that in the end he has no regard for neither the beloved person who regretfully ceased to exist nor for the new slave entity that is forced to perform a perpetual make-believe job on his behalf.
That depends. If the brought-back-from-the-dead person has an AI so advanced to "feel" depressed by its resurrector's action then you are probably right.
If it's a simple avatar giving simple gardening and homework advices (as Kurzweil will probably remember his dad in practice!) then no harm is done. It's better than Clipper!
OK, VB.NET might not be VB, but at least you get the feeling that the language is still developed and perfectioned every other year. With.NET it isn't anymore a toy language either.
That's what I meant with peace-of-mind. In this aspect I guessed right NOT to invest on a language only supported by a small company (Borland) or a failing one (Sun).
---
But bear with me: I am a *amateur* programmer so the choice of language wasn't critical other than the time-effort I had to invest to learn to it out of my principal activity. I guess if you are a professional programmer learning many languages is a must.
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It has never been easier to make a telephone generate its own fart sounds...
Well, here you go! These are the "killer appz" that make the Apple fanboyz go mad. This is 90-95% of all available progies for iPhone.
...or do a variety of other things, some of which are actually useful.
Fair enough. I admit there is this 5% of some really cool applications for iPhone. But my initial post (which I find ridiculous that had been moded as "flamebait", this was NOT my intention) wanted to stress a point.
Both Symbian and Android can do what iPhone does and even more. And developers can leverage the WHOLE underlying technology. So the iPhone Store story is only a stupid buzz. The developers need to wake up and port their useful apps to Symbian and Android as soon as possible. Because it CAN be done and actually their apps will probably even look and run even better!
As long as we have a 50-60% market share for open source mobile OSes we are ok. I'm afraid of what will happen if Apple somehow prevails and becomes the Microsoft of the mobile OS market.
... it will be less than capable of the respective Nokia N-device but as always the Apple marketing and fanboyz will put so much light that everyone will be blinded by yet again another incomplete smartphone that locks you to the dark side. Is Apple becoming the Microsoft of the mobile world?!
I don't know... but I'm telling you something guys: this is 2009 and we have Symbian & Android which together reach some 60% of the mobile smartphone market and are OPEN SOURCE. Imagine if Linux had a 60% market share on the desktop OS what boost would we have for open source applications.
So let's not pull are eyes out with our own hands and choose iPhone NOT.
How many days pass until they archive this thread so you can stop responding ironic nonsense to me?
If the EU was using a different protocol you would probably not have this conversation today with me, so be careful what you're praying for...
For the last time: it's not robbing or fear, it's a final warning for an equal system that will work for all. Globally. Of course you won't agree as you will never agree to leave a permanent position and veto power in the UN Security Council.
No country releases its powers without first fighting. I hope in the end your country won't be as thick as you have been in this thread. We can all live and prosper along, using agreed international standards and systems.
Again, that's fear talking. But, as I've pointed out. If you don't wish to rely on us, BUILD YOUR OWN DAMN SYSTEM. Stop demanding the US turn over control of something it owns simply because you're afraid of "what if".
I will quote only this part because at the rest you simply repeat yourself.
It's not fear talking, it's sensible talking. We are going to be build our own damn system in the end, as we're doing with the Galileo GPS system.
And everyone loses cause there won't be ANY "technical darwinism". Simply closed systems that get evolved with different priorities and agendas and need every now and then international (huh, pun!) "workshops" to deal with global interoperability.
Happy now in your little big world?
I hope the adjective "empirical" is not there to hide unscientific or statistically weak methods... She's a lawyer professor afterall... sort of a scientist who talks her results out!
Nothing is currently hindering interoperability. As for "advancement of the network"? Okay, there's no .sex or no .xxx. So what? Creating a virtual red-light district on the internet solves nothing.
OMG, are you thick or something? I'm not gonna lose my time pointing the elephant in the room.
Interoperability means having a UNIQUE and UNIVERSAL standard. Sooner o later one of the goverments denied of these "virtual red-light districts" will be denied of something else and out of national interest will go on and create its own DNS system. Then another one will follow and another one and another one. And there you have your fragmented Internet which works ok as long as you surf and use the infrastructure of your own country.
Also, please don't forget that LEGALLY, the US owns the resource we're talking about.
Pal, you own nothing if the other goverments decide to do show. But that won't be to the interest of no one. You simply own the original system of DNS which everyone happens to oblige at the moment. Legally speaking, US law enforcement finishes at your country's borders.
Again, a "what if" fear-monger strawman. Well what if dogs and cats lived together? MASS HYSTERIA!
Well, smart guy, I could say the same for you. Why you fear so much to give away the DNS?
I'll tell you why: for the same reasons your country didn't sign the Kyoto treaty and does not allow international courts to process US soldiers. It's all about sovereignity and interests.
You want to believe you are "the good guys" and all the rest of us the idiots who live in tyrannic states... fine. Who cares. But you're gonna lose the DNS system when the EU or Japan or China decides to do so. And that would be bad for all of us! It's the same story as the Galileo GPS satelite network. We don't want to be owned by you once your military decides to pull out the plug for some obscure PATRIOTic reason.
Come up with a REAL reason, not some product of your fear of the US.
Thankfully, I was educated in a American secondary school in a foreign allied country of yours. I don't fear the US. I simply fear your citizens' inability to understand other countries' points of view. Since we're in /. simply consider the computer language standards. I didn't see ANSI cry because it lost control of the standardisation process of C++. Having an ISO was good for everyone on earth, not just the US.
Nicely said, santax!
There are ZERO technical reasons for relinquishing control to an international body.
There are ZERO legal reasons for relinquishing control to an international body.
Nonsense.
Lots of technical reasons such as interoperability and advancement of the network. Internet is connecting the whole world, nowdays, it's not limited to some defense institute and a couple of colleges.
Lots of legal reasons as well. What happens if the rest of the world considers a "rogue state" the United States? You think of yourselves as the "good guys" which is ok for me, but so can do the North Koreans, the Cubans, or the Iranians. Since all of them should and can be using the Internet for communication/commerce/etc we need a neutral and objective institution to regulate 'Net technicalities above politics.
If they want to prove a point they have to stop targeting US Defense facilities. Hack a serious portal like Slashdot if you can! Ha!
The Internet should be administered by an international body.
I understand that many Americans want to keep their hands on the project their country invented and advanced, for security or productivity reasons, but the Internet has been so successful because of the international networking it helped achieve.
Otherwise here in the EU we would have used the French standard and I would have posted a similar silly post to the "La BarreObliqueDot"...
I think in the long run, Symbian's core will be replaced by some lightweight variant of Linux.
Yep, that's the plan! At least this is what they have said so far.
I agree to most of your points, Etylowy, but hey... give Ovi some time. It has been working for less than 48 hours and its biggest moment will come when the new N97 launches next month.
The N97 is the killer phone for the killer Ovi apps. All other usability problems will fade away once the Ovi guys start listening to users' feedback, as it always happens.
Nokia is great in these small details.
So, based on what you have listed, it appears that the Nokia platform is vastly superior - why is it that the first time I'm hearing about it is from a comment on a story on /.?
There have been many posts about the Symbian OS in the past here in Slashdot. Nevertheless, Symbian is much weaker in the United States than it is in Europe. Slashdot has an international audience, of course, but it mainly driven by its American contributors and readers.
I'm pretty sure most Americans hadn't even heard about FIAT before it bought Chrysler's assets, this doesn't mean FIAT didn't exist or prosper before that event.
One major boost for Ovi applications development is the coming Qt support for Symbian/S60 porting.
Old Symbian C++ programming was a real pain, now porting desktop or mobile applications, games, widgets, etc across a range of different devices should be really easy. I see many productivity advantages for the developers who opt for Symbian/Ovi, something Apple won't have for its iPhone.
I'm essentially a beginner in C++ programming and at least for that language I found extremely easy and straightforward doing projects on Qt Software's free IDE. Even if you don't implement their toolkit in your projects, you can still have a stable and unbloated environment to do some serious coding.
There is only one caveat, afaik, with Qt Creator. It's still in version 1.1.1... this means it probably misses some features (or has some not so obvious bugs) which shall probably be covered in later major releases. Nevertheless, if you bind Qt's capabilitities (ie, signals and slots) to your C++ projects there is no better IDE to unleash your productivity!
You can have more information and download your free copy here.
Every language has its own niche and ideal use.
I like your simple example that shows the merits of the oldest high-level language in what it was designed to do best.
Between this and the fix ongoing on Hubble, where are set for some more time of great and impressive astronomy. Thank you NASA and ESA for keeping the good work.
My thoughts exactly! I can't stop thinking the wonders they could achieve if they worked as a united force. Space science and exploration is really costly. Instead of pursuing different goals they should unite NASA, ESA, JAXA, and the Chinese "under one ring" and create a truly global team.
ISA anyone?!
They're not trying to fill them up completely, nor to stop taxing people by fining foreign companies.
Nevertheless, 3-4 billions here and there never harmed the EU! They could be used to finance the movement of the EuroMPs between Strasbourg and Brussels! :p
Indeed, that could be fixed with a nice switch system. Nevertheless, wxWidget has modest requirements because it's "modest" overall... ;-)
Seems that the EU has found a 'fine' mechanism (pun intended!) to fill its coffers. Just charge the fat cows of the American economy with two or three of these fines and we will leave behind the global economic crisis...
You have to understand the "ABC is dying/dead" mentality.
It doesn't matter how much market share you have, only that your market share is decreasing and some smaller technology which they favor has an increasing market share.
It doesn't matter that at the rate of decline it would take 20 or more years for whatever it is to die. Or that the decline may be arrested. Saying something is dying is usually misinformed or more likely spreading FUD to hasten the decline.
Quickly! Say Windows is dying so we may see it before Singularity kicks in!!
What can I say... Qt is becoming a dream platform thanks to Nokia's insight!
- a powerful language/library (C++)
- real cross-platform
- support for embedded and mobile applications (a great alternative for the difficult Symbian C++ language)
- open source and nice licence (LGPL)
- exemplar own IDE but also Eclipse/VS integration
- additional languages supported
What else could one ask?!
I believe they could do it even without the bond. Any bigger alternatives?!
I think modeling and then enslaving an AI to perform like your long-dead father is morally questionable at best. It shows that in the end he has no regard for neither the beloved person who regretfully ceased to exist nor for the new slave entity that is forced to perform a perpetual make-believe job on his behalf.
That depends. If the brought-back-from-the-dead person has an AI so advanced to "feel" depressed by its resurrector's action then you are probably right.
If it's a simple avatar giving simple gardening and homework advices (as Kurzweil will probably remember his dad in practice!) then no harm is done. It's better than Clipper!
OK, VB .NET might not be VB, but at least you get the feeling that the language is still developed and perfectioned every other year. With .NET it isn't anymore a toy language either.
That's what I meant with peace-of-mind. In this aspect I guessed right NOT to invest on a language only supported by a small company (Borland) or a failing one (Sun).
---
But bear with me: I am a *amateur* programmer so the choice of language wasn't critical other than the time-effort I had to invest to learn to it out of my principal activity. I guess if you are a professional programmer learning many languages is a must.