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Hackers Breached US Army Servers

An anonymous reader writes "A Turkish hacking ring has broken into 2 sensitive US Army servers, according to a new investigation uncovered by InformationWeek. The hackers, who go by the name 'm0sted' and are based in Turkey, penetrated servers at the Army's McAlester Ammunition Plant in Oklahoma in January. Users attempting to access the site were redirected to a page featuring a climate-change protest. In Sept, 2007, the hackers breached Army Corps of Engineers servers. That hack sent users to a page containing anti-American and anti-Israeli rhetoric. The hackers used simple SQL Server injection techniques to gain access. That's troubling because it shows a major Army security lapse, and also the ability to bypass supposedly sophisticated Defense Department tools and procedures designed to prevent such breaches."

209 comments

  1. wood for the trees by wjh31 · · Score: 0

    when you are busy trying to defend against the most advanced crackers around, and whatever complex tools they are using, its probably easy to overlook the simpler stuff

    1. Re:wood for the trees by dk90406 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are wrong on so many levels. If you can't even bother to protect against simple things as SQL injection, I have a nasty feeling about the overall security.
      Why aren't classified information on a separate network, not connected to the Net? Please: this is not 1980 anymore - protect critical information seriously.

    2. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you know that classified intelligence was even obtained? Why are you even assuming that the security of these servers, an ammunition plant and the Army Corps of Engineers no less, will have the same security as that of the Pentagon? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the Army would appropriate security based on how vital their assets are?

    3. Re:wood for the trees by kevin_conaway · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why aren't classified information on a separate network, not connected to the Net

      It is, in fact there are multiple, separate networks.

      Other than the author repeating the word "sensitive" over and over again, there wasn't anything concrete in the article about whether the information was actually classified. I suspect it wasn't.

    4. Re:wood for the trees by HaZardman27 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sensitive does not mean classified. Sensitive could be as simple as a change in the dinner menu at the chow hall, which could suggest the arrival of important personnel. Classified information would not even exist on networks accessible via the internet.

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    5. Re:wood for the trees by AtomicDevice · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, I used to work at a defense contractor and classified systems are on separate networks, and to my knowlege are universally separate from anything connected to the internet. sensitive is the lowest (or maybe second lowest?) classification, so breaking into "sensitive" servers isn't a particularly big deal, although I guess they might eek something useful out of it. Is our biggest fear that attackers might learn the inner secrets of publicly available government websites? basically anything that they don't explicitly publish falls into this category as far as I can tell.

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    6. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have worked with the U.S. Army "Network Engineers". I was apalled at their lack of knowledge and understanding of security.

    7. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I too can provide vague, uninteresting and falsified anecdotal evidence, look at me go!

    8. Re:wood for the trees by mlts · · Score: 2

      Classified+ information isn't available off a webserver on the Internet. If it is, someone would be being headed to the military prison at Leavenworth for a very long time.

    9. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt there is anything beyond general secret at McAlester. Those bomb designs are older than anybody on /.

    10. Re:wood for the trees by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is not true. When you work for a military contractor you would be amazed at the amount of classified information which is available on the shared drives.

      No--it is not directly available to the internet, but how many exploits does it take to hijack a browser and gain a command prompt or a vector to the injection of bytecode? How about hijack a browser and progressively insert holes in the compromised system until a backdoor can be opened? Sure, going to www.military-contractor.com and trying to force a way from their web server to their firewall to the internal network is difficult (though still not impossible), it is much easier to lace the 'net with booby traps. Think joke sites, humor sites, sites with flashplayer or java games or comics or even seemingly legitimate business presentations. How many exploits have we seen in codecs for music, even?

      Classified information may not exist on systems you think are accessed from the internet--but classified information sure as heck exists on the drives shared to systems which are used as clients to the internet. There really is no difference once the fiber (or copper) is connected.

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    11. Re:wood for the trees by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, I'd say that any website from a personal website with nothing terribly important on it to the system used to launch nuclear weapons should guard against something as simple as SQL injection. Now, you might not want to have passwords 468000 characters long for a lower security website, but surely blocking SQL injection is something all websites should guard against.

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    12. Re:wood for the trees by santiagodraco · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sensitive is NOT classified, they are entirely different levels. Also, this was as public website, not a "classified" network.

    13. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Um, sensitive information is on a seperate network.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRNET

      I work at a network node for the U.S. Army. The security procedures that come down from the top are focused on preventing abusive access by employees. The various applications that we use to "prevent" malicious outside access are pretty trivial to defeat. It's no surprise when the lowest bidder gets to produce and/or implement the procedures and software.

    14. Re:wood for the trees by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I am always surprised at the quickness at which /. tends to claim incompetency with news like this. My first thought was basically, "haha turks, you're a bunch of turkeys." As in, yay for hacking an intentionally hackable and most probably filled to the brim with mis-information networked computer. Please, you have the right to speak freely, and write freely. Thank the military for doing SOMETHING correctly, simply because you still have these rights.

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    15. Re:wood for the trees by TinBromide · · Score: 4, Informative

      The US military has a (well, many) classified network and an unclassified network. All computing equipment has a little sticker on it that says that equipment is used for which (classified or unclassified) purpose. I'm sure that the hacked web servers all have a little blue sticker with white text that says that the server is to only work with unclassified info (websites, most likely). I wouldn't really call this a security breach any more than I'd call shoplifting a robbery. While yes, the web servers were indeed "hacked", its not like that webserver was hosting top secret plans in pdf form for distribution purposes.

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    16. Re:wood for the trees by dwillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      Correct, Sensitive is specifically interpreted to mean non-classified information that is exempt from FOIA release, data such as SSN's and unit rosters and the like.

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    17. Re:wood for the trees by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      "most advanced" and Microsoft? Giggles :) Gary McKinnon showed the way in :)

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    18. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You go girlfriend!

    19. Re:wood for the trees by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      You sir are an ignoramus on so many levels. It was just a web server. It wasn't a classified server which is IN FACT kept on a separate network.

    20. Re:wood for the trees by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          The important part was "Beyond the redirects, it's not clear whether the group was able to obtain sensitive information from the Army's servers. "

          They didn't get any "sensitive" information. Sure as heck they didn't get any classified information. They breached a public web site, hosted on a public network. I seriously doubt the server was even physically close to any classified information, much less attached to a network with any, or contained any itself.

          They screwed with the gov't, which still makes them fair game for jail time, but I'm sure they didn't get troop movements, nuclear launch codes, or the base commander's daughters cell number. :)

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    21. Re:wood for the trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude,

      Most important servers are connected to the net in some way.

      The closest we have to that is a system that is behind a nat router that, at a random hour every day, is physically plugged back into the net, pulls the data from another server, then is physically unplugged again until the random timer tells us to plug it back in again.

    22. Re:wood for the trees by Randall311 · · Score: 1

      Sensitive information is likely FOUO and definitely NOT classified. As others have already pointed out, if a user somehow posted classified information on that server, they would find their ass in a sling PDQ. Classified information is always always always on a separate network. Because the most secure network is one that cannot communicate with the outside world.

    23. Re:wood for the trees by Penguinshit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry Charlie, but clients with classified data are physically separated from the public internet. USB ports and other sneakernet outlets are 9should be) disabled. The folks that take care of the important stuff aren't stupid and are highly paranoid.

    24. Re:wood for the trees by sinai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The folks that take care of the important stuff aren't stupid and are highly paranoid.

      Not sure where you're getting your facts from, but from my years in the military I'd venture to say that you're a bit overconfident. There are plenty of ways for sensitive data to find its way into the hands of outsiders.

    25. Re:wood for the trees by easyTree · · Score: 1

      If it is, someone would be being headed to the military prison at Leavenworth for a very long time.

      Traditionally, the stunt-double, when it comes to responsibility being assigned is Gary McKinnon.

    26. Re:wood for the trees by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      They just dont care, the give the semblance of caring, but its just a facade

    27. Re:wood for the trees by t0rkm3 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      However, from my years in the military working in G-6 and G-2 (Communications and Intelligence) I can tell you that the penalties are quite severe for handling classified materials in a manner inconsistent with control protocols. That was my main argument against outsourcing the data comm portion of our infrastructure. This (at the time) was to include portions of the SIPR net. Depending on the classification of the data it may not be able to be on any network that reaches outside the vault in a SCIF.

      Most of the data that is leaked is sensitive in nature but not so much that it is immediately actionable or significantly changes the conclusions one could draw from information that would be much easier to garner.

      The largest leaks that occur are usually with outsiders that are not inculcated into the culture of the military and it's purpose ie civilian contractors.

      This website breach was something that a wee little hacker with a wee little ego can brag about because it has the US Army stamp on it, not because the data could cause harm to the Army or any of its operations.

    28. Re:wood for the trees by sinai · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Lemme just say that while deployed as an info assurance / security manager for a small unit working directly under a major Army command, I dealt with spillage (processing of classified information on unclassified systems) on a monthly, if not weekly basis. I lost count of how many customers were sending 8-digit grid coordinates over the NIPR, even though it is supposed to be common knowledge that information like that is to be protected from disclosure over unsecured comms. Furthermore, although the G2 was well prepared to provide support for mitigation procedures and sanitization, punishment for the crime was often delegated to the individual commander--at which point "penalties" becomes a relative word.

  2. In other words ... by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

    as usual, military contracting companies provided over-hyped shoddy work to the military, who either didn't know better or didn't care.

    Of course, I thought it was going to be as simple as knowing that the password was "Joshua".

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    1. Re:In other words ... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course, I thought it was going to be as simple as knowing that the password was "Joshua".

      Actually it's "joshua". Mr. Falken was lazy and didn't like having to reach for the shift key ;)

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    2. Re:In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of defense spending is basically taxpayers helping out some overpaid well-connected idiots.

    3. Re:In other words ... by HaZardman27 · · Score: 1

      And you would know this how?

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    4. Re:In other words ... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      And you would know this how?

      Well said. If GP was correct, the US wouldn't have much to show for the trillions it spends. Since they have the capability to destroy the planet several times over, obviously the money was well spent.

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    5. Re:In other words ... by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      How about this then: In 1965, we had the capability to destroy the planet several times over in a matter of a few hours. In 2005, we had the capability to destroy the planet several times over in a matter of a few hours. What exactly did we gain for our trillions of dollars spent between 1965 and 2005?

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    6. Re:In other words ... by internerdj · · Score: 1

      The ability to narrow it down a bit. As much of a deterrent it is to be able to vaporize the planet, it is much nicer to vaporize the bits you want and say not vaporize your own family in the process of vaporizing your enemy.

    7. Re:In other words ... by Dishevel · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah! In 3500BC we had the ability to kill shit. In 2009 we have the ability to kill shit. What exactly did we gain?

      See I too can just over simplify stuff till my point seems reasonable.

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    8. Re:In other words ... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      weapons age and must be refreshed, much like computers.
      target acquisition systems get better and should be upgraded/replaced (now we can destroy the world several times over to a precision of < 1m Vs ~1Km)
      enemies get better defenses requiring an increasingly better offense to stay at parity.

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    9. Re:In other words ... by tsm_sf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah! In 3500BC we had the ability to kill shit. In 2009 we have the ability to kill shit. What exactly did we gain?

      You're making an entirely different point from the one you think you're making.

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    10. Re:In other words ... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Well said. If GP was correct, the US wouldn't have much to show for the trillions it spends. Since they have the capability to destroy the planet several times over, obviously the money was well spent.

      You lost Vietnam war and haven't captured Osama yet.

      Besides, how do you know the US has the capability to destroy the planet several times over? The army can't be trusted to be unbiased on their reporting, because they have an obvious incentive to make it seem that funding was well-spent rather than wasted, even if this is not the case.

      Besides, I'd say that being able to destroy the planet several times over means that you've wasted most of that money, unless you expect your enemy to spontaneously resurrect ;).

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    11. Re:In other words ... by MyrddinBach · · Score: 1

      Of COURSE they are going to spontaneously resurrect - HELLO??? Radioactive Zombie Wars!! We need the nuclear zombie killer bombs if we're going to survive!

    12. Re:In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop repeating this nonsense, you don't have the capability to destroy the planet. Every weapon on earth could be detonated and the planet would be fine. You don't even have enough weapons to destroy the majority of the planet's surface.

    13. Re:In other words ... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      They used to work for the US mil, but hated it so much.
      Now they sell their skills back at 3X the price as contractors and do not get treated like trash.
      Small tip, US mil, treat your men and woman right.

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    14. Re:In other words ... by Kvasio · · Score: 1

      What exactly did we gain?

      competition in North Korea.

    15. Re:In other words ... by pbhj · · Score: 1

      How about this then: In 1965, we had the capability to destroy the planet several times over in a matter of a few hours. In 2005, we had the capability to destroy the planet several times over in a matter of a few hours. What exactly did we gain for our trillions of dollars spent between 1965 and 2005?

      Perhaps the ability to win a war without destroying the planet?

    16. Re:In other words ... by HangingChad · · Score: 1

      Now they sell their skills back at 3X the price as contractors and do not get treated like trash.

      No, no. Contractors still get treated like trash. Every so often you'll get military people who try to give you a break, but two years later they'll get rotated out and you'll have to start all over with new brass. Civilian management ranges from bad to horrendous and most of them have been where they are for decades. And a large number of them are ex-military, so you have an intellectually incestuous personnel environment where dogma triumphs over inventiveness.

      Being a military contractor was the most stifling, oppressive, sterile, unimaginative environment I've ever worked in. For 3x what I used to make, I'd go back for a while, but not long. Even higher pay would only temporarily blunt the crappy working environment. It's not the money.

      The government gets a bad deal because it's crap work. Coming out of that environment was almost liberating. I can't even drive by the base without getting a shiver.

      Maybe 3x isn't enough now that I think about it.

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    17. Re:In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which war would that be exactly? Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Oh that's right...

    18. Re:In other words ... by slaughts · · Score: 1

      I believe you mean Dr. Falken.

  3. I know this is old but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your base are belong to us

    1. Re:I know this is old but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insightful!! LOL!! Hats off to slashmods hahahaha ROFL!!

    2. Re:I know this is old but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're my mod points I'll use them as I see fit

    3. Re:I know this is old but, by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Take off every 'Information Aggressor Squadron'!!

    4. Re:I know this is old but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make your time! HAHAHAHAHA

    5. Re:I know this is old but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except the bases in Turkey!

  4. No it isn't by avandesande · · Score: 1

    That's troubling because it shows a major Army security lapse, and also the ability to bypass supposedly sophisticated Defense Department tools and procedures designed to prevent such breaches.

    Who know where these outward facing servers reside? Having outward websites vandalized says nothing about the security of an organizations networks.

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    1. Re:No it isn't by db32 · · Score: 1

      No, but it provides excellent fodder for anti-military rhetoric. I find people on far ends of either political spectrum completely abandon any semblance of using logic or reason in favor of just being an inflamatory fountain of stupid.

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    2. Re:No it isn't by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

      Or this could be a simple technique by the information security agents to create a sort of "honeypot" for hackers to target so they can keep the serious information out of the crosshairs. Such as the F-35

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  5. Wait... by TheSpoom · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The US Army uses Windows servers?

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    1. Re:Wait... by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

          This isn't too hard to find out. Look for GS military IT jobs, and see what they're hiring for. Lots of Windows crap. They still do have *nix positions, just not as many.

          Of course, a 1 admin to 10 windows machine ratio is acceptable, as a 1 admin to 50 Linux machine ratio is acceptable. They have a LOT of workstations out there that need tending to.

         

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    2. Re:Wait... by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 1

      The Royal Navy now uses Windows for Warships :-(

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    3. Re:Wait... by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Funny
      The Royal Navy now uses Windows for Warships :-(

      Don't you mean "Windows For Warcraft"?

    4. Re:Wait... by m1k3y121 · · Score: 1

      i work at a network hub for the army, and we have a sun server that runs part of the satellite comms. when the current company's contract expires, and GD takes over, everything's going to windows. in my last unit, the unix box we were using for battlefield awareness got replaced by a server 2003 box. *nix/everything except windows is slowly going away as time goes on.

    5. Re:Wait... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          It's sad the the Microsoft sales people are better.

          People bitch about the MS tax, and go pirate Windows and Office for their home computers, but that doesn't even make a dent in their income. They make HUGE money off government and corporate contracts.

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    6. Re:Wait... by m1k3y121 · · Score: 1

      yup. that, and overall, as much as i hate MS, they're overall easy to use. easy for the people who don't really know computers to pick up on, as opposed to *nix.

    7. Re:Wait... by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Mods: I don't think this is flamebait; or at least, I never intended it to be. I'm just surprised... generally organizations that care about security above other issues tend to go with a Unix-based system. I never said there wasn't a place for Windows servers, just that I'm kinda surprised that the army apparently prefers them over *nix.

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  6. Amateurs by Kensai7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they want to prove a point they have to stop targeting US Defense facilities. Hack a serious portal like Slashdot if you can! Ha!

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    1. Re:Amateurs by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      I know you were going for funny, but it's true. If there any real uberhackers out there, someone would've dropped some serious ordinance on the White House by now. Or the Knesset. I'd even accept Rush Limbaugh or Rosie O'donnell. But some pokey low-importance defence servers? Yeah, amateurs.

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    2. Re:Amateurs by mlts · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, if someone did a show-stopper like that it would be a bad thing for everyone. It would provide the impetus for the Internet to be split up into separate non-connected networks and walled gardens. These wouldn't be "mere" firewalls, these would be networks that would be either running a new (or old) network protocol (IPX is an example) or a non routable protocol such as NetBEUI (Don't confuse NetBEUI with NetBIOS... NetBEUI is the transportation and is obsolete, as TCP/IP has completely taken over that communication layer function over) or Appletalk.

      Right now, a black hat can sit at his/her computer, and connect on the same network to virtually anything. Should people get too upset and knee-jerkish about a War Games scenario, he or she would have to spend a lot of time and effort trying to get gateways working to networks that have completely different protocols (IPX, VINES) in the effort to try to attack machines.

      Compared to the past, a dedicated cracker just needs to focus on a relative small part of an OS or a service like Apache, IIS, or SQL Server for great gains. In the past, one had to jump from DECNet to BITNET to NSFNet, perhaps doing through multiple UUCP hops if the boxes were moving mail via store and forward and mdoems. Almost no host or network was the same as another, so a generic "script kiddy" who could run a prepackaged toolkit against a random company didn't exist back then.

    3. Re:Amateurs by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      These wouldn't be "mere" firewalls, these would be networks that would be either running a new (or old) network protocol (IPX is an example) or a non routable protocol such as NetBEUI

      Um....no

      If the networks are not supposed to interoperate, you just don't connect them in the first place. You don't do something as dumb as relying on an old protocol to prevent access.

    4. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So long as the work involves "hack" and "US Government", it doesn't matter what really happened. Remember, both the US and now Canada are trying to convince us that Cyberwars are more dangerous then "conventional" war and they need more examples to justify their outrageous budgets.

      *@users.slashdot.org will not fall for it but *.gov and *.gc.ca are.

    5. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, a web page.

      If somebody were able to get into SIPRnet, that would be proving a point. Not that we would hear about it, probably.

      Put your pants back on, this is bullshit.

    6. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, I have encountered people (both management and IT types) interested in disused protocols such as IPX or NetBEUI as a way to protect their internal Windows file servers from attack. It is security through obscurity, but there is interest there because it would take having to stop and compromise a machine on the LAN to be able to create the IPX traffic for that final hop, as opposed to directly connecting to a machine, or having a machine connect out to the outside world.

      NetBEUI almost guarentees that the packets can't be routed unless encapsulated.

      Ironic that people want to go backwards to IPX or whatnot, as opposed to moving to IPv6.

    7. Re:Amateurs by lothos · · Score: 1

      WASHINGTON (AP) [5.14.99] - A teen-ager identified as a computer hacker
      whose name appeared on the Internet site for the White House after vandals
      altered it this week has been indicted in Virginia on charges he broke
      into another government computer.

      A grand jury indicted Eric Burns, 19, on three counts of computer
      intrusion. Burns, reportedly known on the Internet as ``Zyklon,'' was
      accused of breaking into a computer between August 1998 and January 1999
      in northern Virginia that is used by the U.S. Information Agency.

      ``Zyklon'' was one of a dozen names listed on the hacked version of the
      White House Web site, which was altered overnight Sunday for a few minutes
      before government computers automatically detected the intrusion.

      The indictment returned Thursday also accuses Burns of breaking into two
      other computers in northern Virginia, one owned by LaserNet of Fairfax and
      another by Issue Dynamics Inc. of Alexandria.

    8. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^Says the clueless school taught security pro.

      The vulnerability isn't the network dude, it's the humans.

      "Oh yippie! Susie just sent me an evite to her BBQ. Attachment: evite.chm"

      pebkac.

  7. Amazing. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pardon the rant, but can anyone tell me why we're still having people write code that is subject to SQL injection attacks?

    I mean, sometimes potential buffer overflows in C/C++ programs can be tricky to notice. Writing threading code that's not subject to deadlock or starvation can often be a challenge.

    But isn't code that's subject to SQL injection attacks just blindingly, amazingly obvious at first glance?

    1. Re:Amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes and No. If I want to have a program that I pass SQL queries to and it returns either safe or unsafe that is not a computable problem. There is no way to tell if a query is good or bad without context. That being said there are things like prepared statements that give the statements context, that is explicitly stating which parts of the query are control statements and which are data.

      In a simple system you are correct but in a system of even moderate complexity telling if code is vulnerable to SQL injection becomes non-trivial. When you have to dig through 5 levels of inheritance several times to hunt down all the places where the query is actually formed it's not all that simple.

    2. Re:Amazing. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How do you know the code was recently written? More likely, the app was written years ago, before the phrase "sql injection" was even coined.

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    3. Re:Amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd like you to stop by my work and bludgeon a few developers of mine over the head, if you would. Seems they're all too busy posting on a site called "BackSlash" or something to check their code.

    4. Re:Amazing. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Well, before they started calling it SQL injection, it was just invalid input. Since I was programming for an audience of millions, if even 0.1% of them were script kiddies, and 0.01% of them were good, my servers would have a life expectancy of days at most.

          What's the big difference between:

          SELECT user FROM auth WHERE username = 'foo';DROP TABLE auth;

          and

          (please forgive me for how wrong this is)

          $result = `grep %in{search} *.txt`;

          Where $search is "; sudo cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda ;"

          Just the degree of damage. If people would learn that not everyone plays nice, there would be less holes to fix later. Sometimes that's hard to explain until your first client gets really mad because you failed to validate an external input. Of course, I'll always be more than happy to say "didn't I tell you to always validate and sanitize your user input?" :)

         

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    5. Re:Amazing. by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Yes and No. If I want to have a program that I pass SQL queries to and it returns either safe or unsafe that is not a computable problem.

      Are you sure? Your statement would only be obviously true if a single SQL statement can be a Turing-complete language.

    6. Re:Amazing. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      The way to protect against sql injection is not to "validate external input." It is to pass the external input to the database after telling the database what that external input should be representing (sql parameterization). Let the database decide if it is valid or not.

      If you try and reinvent the wheel in every app, you will certainly make a mistake at some point. The guys who wrote the DB know more about this than you do; let them handle it.

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    7. Re:Amazing. by againjj · · Score: 1

      Yes and No. If I want to have a program that I pass SQL queries to and it returns either safe or unsafe that is not a computable problem. There is no way to tell if a query is good or bad without context. That being said there are things like prepared statements that give the statements context, that is explicitly stating which parts of the query are control statements and which are data.

      In a simple system you are correct but in a system of even moderate complexity telling if code is vulnerable to SQL injection becomes non-trivial. When you have to dig through 5 levels of inheritance several times to hunt down all the places where the query is actually formed it's not all that simple.

      Perl taint mode. Sure, it it conservative, but if taint is complex enough that it does work, then I wouldn't trust a person to get it right with 100% accuracy.

    8. Re:Amazing. by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      As mentioned by other posters, since we don't know how old the system is, we can't really measure it against "modern" perceptions.

      In addition, they could be a victim of this kind of thing:

      Contractor: We'd like to make a prototype for a web site that will do XYZ.

      Govt: K, here's some cash.

      Contractor: Here's a prototype, now can we have some cash to convert it from a prototype into a real system?

      Govt: Nah. I'd have to fill out a lot of paperwork for that. We'll just use the prototype.

    9. Re:Amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But see, why are you passing SQL queries to your program to begin with?

      What you should be doing is passing parameters that get bound to placeholders in a prepared query. Actually constructing queries by doing string interpolation using unsanitized user-supplied data is ALWAYS a bad idea.

    10. Re:Amazing. by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone let the website run with DROP TABLE or any other high level permissions? Shouldn't the website be using credentials with read only permissions. Maybe after the user logs in they can update their one record. Not anyone other record.

      (Here is where I will be flamed to oblivion)
      Or is this another case where the web dev says that they need full god rights on the DB server?

      You should always run with just the permissions you need to get the job at hand done. Nothing more ever.

    11. Re:Amazing. by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      It is not people still writting such code, it is people still using such code. A website that has accumulated information and that has been working correctly for 10 years is not something most people are willing to rewrite.

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    12. Re:Amazing. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Ok, how about...

          ; update users set password = password('') ;

          It was just a freakin' example, not a dictation of how to break things. {sigh}

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    13. Re:Amazing. by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      It could have been written by a newbie programmer. A lot of ODBC/JDBC/[Insert DB connector] tutorials I saw even a few years ago do dodgy stuff like string concatenation with the user input instead of proper parametrization. Even at uni the databases lecturer didn't mention parameter queries while teaching about JDBC. All his examples joined strings. Parameters should have been one of the first things he mentioned about DB programming and not using them in an assignment should have been an auto-fail.

    14. Re:Amazing. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Pardon the rant, but can anyone tell me why we're still having people write code that is subject to SQL injection attacks?

      Like everything else this system was built by the lowest bidder.

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    15. Re:Amazing. by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      It's the fault of subpar developers. I have some of them in my company, tried to teach them, but nothing works. I still encounter some bad queries here and there in their code. Add lack of ANY programming/indenting style and you have today's web programming.

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    16. Re:Amazing. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      Or maybe, ... hmmm... use a real database server server rather than Micro$oft Sewer Server?

      But the funniest part is that they don't learn from their mistakes. A couple a website of the Florida Coast Guard (also under .mil) which was supposed to contain educational material, magically redirected to aljazeera.com . It took them a couple of days to notices, a couple of months to fix (... during which time the site was offline, with varying explanations...), and then back up with new software (presumably safer). But how the heck is it possible that they didn't communicate the incident to other .mil webmasters, to make sure they doublechecked their software too?

    17. Re:Amazing. by josephcmiller2 · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. All of my SQL variables are escaped IMMEDIATELY before the executed code. This way, you can look at any SQL code I've written and instantly know if it's secure or not. I would call this code "obviously secure" (at least the SQL part is). It may still contain bugs, but SQL injection won't be possible. I've seen several other safety mechanisms that escape any variables before sending them to SQL-related functions, but looking inside the function (instead of the caller) you really don't know what data you have and whether it is safe or not. I think secure code should be obviously secure. Of course there are those buffer overflow problems and threading etc like you mention, but how about quit using sprintf and instead use snprintf? WTF? And don't give me that "If I know I'm just printing a simple variable and I know how long it is, then it's OK" crap either. Ever seen a calculator come up with a wrong answer that was really close? Like 3.99897876 instead of 4? I have. And we all know that there have been widely-used CPUs with math processor errors. If your code isn't obviously secure, I argue that it's not secure. Especially if you aren't the only developer in the pipeline. We all organize this code differently in our own heads and what makes sense to one dev is confusing to another. If the code is obviously secure, most of that is eliminated anyways.

  8. I thought Information Week was sensible. by goldaryn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So much for Information Week being reasoned and sensible.

    "Equally troubling is the fact that the hacks appear to have originated outside the United States. Turkey is known to harbor significant elements of the al-Qaida network. It was not clear if "m0sted" has links to the terrorist group."

    Hooray for sensationalism!

    1. Re:I thought Information Week was sensible. by forgottenusername · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's pretty terrible. You can be equally unclear if they had links to Nazism, or the Republican National Committee. Too bad spinspotter dotbombed - http://spinspotter.com/

    2. Re:I thought Information Week was sensible. by rivetgeek · · Score: 1

      BREAKING! THIS JUST IN! There is no evidence to prove the hackers were not, in fact, members of the elite "girl scouts".

    3. Re:I thought Information Week was sensible. by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shhhh!!

      And remember to bow to the cookie pushing overlords...

      Their tactic of having two or more 6-7 year old girls say in perfect unison "Would you like to buy some girl scout cookies" is diabolical. This overloads one with their cuteness causing loss of some higher brain function. Which compels one to buy these cookies.

    4. Re:I thought Information Week was sensible. by m1k3y121 · · Score: 2, Funny

      and remember they cost.....tree fity

    5. Re:I thought Information Week was sensible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to laugh. Good stuff.

    6. Re:I thought Information Week was sensible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude those cookies are fucking GOOD!

  9. Front end compromise... by Manip · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm just playing devil's advocate but who puts their public website inside their defences?

    I know it is an extremely common practice in this country to actually put sites like these on standard third party hosting services (e.g. Rackspace).

    They set them up to be as secure as other e-commerce sites, so fairly secure, but without having to poke holes in a nice heavy firewall.

    1. Re:Front end compromise... by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      The hosting situation has nothing to do with the SQL injection. This is a software problem caused by coders who don't know the proper way to interact with a relational database when receiving input from a user. This software would be insecure when turned toward the public under any circumstances.

    2. Re:Front end compromise... by Manip · · Score: 1

      My point was less about the severity of the compromise and more about the nature of it being on "US Army Servers." I was just trying to show the distinction between the public facing kind of "US Army Servers" and the behind the scenes equipment that one might hope was secure.

      SQL injections are fairly common, as have been buffer overflows. But while companies have responded to buffer overflows by making better compilers, better frameworks, and even new CPUs there has only been a slow crawl to a better way to write SQL statements to make SQL injection more difficult.

      Some frameworks support Parameters but they're still largely rare (both usage or support) with most people still attempting to write SQL statements with data embedded directly.

    3. Re:Front end compromise... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      I'm just playing devil's advocate but who puts their public website inside their defences?

      Who says it's behind their real defenses?

      Look, it's a web server on the Internet. It's gonna need at least a firewall. Just like if they used Rackspace to host it and you were behind Rackspace's firewall. But there's also gonna be additional defenses for other systems.

      And, btw, anything that's on the server is gonna be unclassified or somebody's goin' to jail regardless of the breach.

    4. Re:Front end compromise... by Zapotek · · Score: 1

      Devil's advocate? Every comment here is already against the admins of the servers...

    5. Re:Front end compromise... by Shados · · Score: 1

      Some frameworks support Parameters but they're still largely rare (both usage or support) with most people still attempting to write SQL statements with data embedded directly

      Are you seriously that clueless? Most relational database APIs have had parameterized query support since before what I'd think is the majority of slashdot had god damn computers. The only mainstream programming language that has lagged in its adoption (they were there, just not as visible as they could until the later versions) is PHP, and even then it was there and robust for years. On top of that, ORMs (which are all built on top of parameterized queries) are mainstream in pretty much all "mainstream in the enteprise" languages aside for the Microsoft produced ones (where parameterized queries have been the norm since like VB4...)

      So, the frameworks that support parameters are literally omni-present and are already used by all serious programmers. Just script kiddies with a computer science degree who think they know everything because they know Big O notation screw this up, as this is 10000 times easier to avoid than buffer overflows are in unamanaged languages.

      -Especially- since parameterized queries are a requirement to tap into the performance enhancing query caching features of all mainstream RDBMs.

  10. Hyperbole? by mpapet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't bother to RTFA, but summary is inflamatory at best.

    A public-facing, high-profile (perception) server gets compromised? That's not news.

    Let's say it is news for a minute. What was the budget for this public-facing project? This is not a "major Army security lapse" by any stretch of the imagination.

    Of course, my line of thinking wouldn't be widely accepted because it ignores the emotional response that the summary probably provokes in most people.

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    1. Re:Hyperbole? by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Seems we don't have to know much about the situation to know one thing... a "major Army security lapse" is more like, say, strategic radio comm in the clear, close enough to be intercepted by the enemy, and results in casualties.

      A public facing website that gets script-kiddied by some asshat from Turkey that thinks exploiting a site by SQL injection is Uber-L33t is not a major lapse. I'm pretty sure this is not weighing heavily on some 5-star's mind.

  11. Basic Security Principles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A chain is not stronger than it's weakest link.

    A simple and powerful principle when dealing with security, whatever side of the law or order you are.

    1. Re:Basic Security Principles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Unless of course that weakest link lies outside of the circle of trust, making it just like any other link not part of the chain, whereby breaking said link in no way negatively affects the structural integrity of the aforementioned chain.

  12. any good military has by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    1. good tactics
    2. the ability to adapt new tactics as previously good tactics become irrelevant

    one way a tactic becomes irrelevant is changing battlefield conditions. you don't fight in a swamp the way you fight in a desert, for instance

    well, the internet is valid battlefield. and you fight on it with new tactics. it remains to be seen now if the us military understands that

    1. it needs to take this battlefield seriously
    2. it can develop good tactics to fight on this battlefield

    but as it stands now, a bunch of teenagers are thoroughly and repeatedly trouncing the us military

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    1. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but as it stands now, a bunch of teenagers are thoroughly and repeatedly trouncing the us military

      By doing the equivalent of spraypainting graffiti on the fences of US Military bases.

    2. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um...no.

      If they had managed to get passed a single firewall or router, I would be impressed. As it stands, they redirected links on a public facing webserver...yawn. I work with hundreds of other IT techs who's job it is to monitor the Army network down to every single interface and we do it 24/7.

    3. Re:any good military has by cdrguru · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The US military is pretty much incapable of fighting a guerrilla war where the combatents are intermixed with civilians and civilian casualties are forbidden. It made Vietnam very difficult and it has made Iraq difficult as well.

      What we have is a guerrilla war against hackers where they are effectiely shielded in most cases by the ISP and their own country's law enforcement. The end result is almost an unwinnable war.

      We are winning in Iraq by ending the use of civilians as shields. We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians. It is going to take that sort of effort to win against hackers, crackers and identity thieves. Unfortunately, right now the effort required to do this is intense enough that it is many, many times the losses so far. So I don't think they are going to do anything until the losses mount up a lot more.

      What makes this worse is in order to effectively combat these people it is going to take either the cooperation of foreign law enforcement or just going around them. Neither one is going to make these other countries want to be our friends, but they seem to be happy with the hackers running around doing whatever.

    4. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These were not "Army" sites and they are not maintained or administered by soldiers. One is for a munitions plant where the government owns the facility but it is leased to a private company who operates it for the government. The other is for the Corps of Engineers, the guys who do things like make sure dams don't have any leaks.

    5. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The US (I presume that's who you're referring to) won in Vietnam? By whose estimation?

    6. Re:any good military has by rampant+poodle · · Score: 1

      Continuing the military analogy... What great battles have been won purely by defense? Denying yourself he ability to "reach out and touch someone", will always give the advantage to those who seek to blow you up -- or to bring your server down.

    7. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      [...] We won in Vietnam [...]

      Sorry, but either you watched too many movies or you failed all your history classes.

      No matter what Rambo, Forest Gump and Doctor Manhattan did, the US lost the war in Vietnam.

    8. Re:any good military has by JBdH · · Score: 1

      We are winning in Iraq by ending the use of civilians as shields. We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      I didn't know the Viet Cong was operating in Iraq.

    9. Re:any good military has by ultranova · · Score: 1

      What we have is a guerrilla war against hackers where they are effectiely shielded in most cases by the ISP and their own country's law enforcement. The end result is almost an unwinnable war.

      What you have is a few teenagers writing graffiti on the army bulletin board located outside the base. And yes, the War on Vandals is likely unwinnable. However, you might try declaring War on Exaggeration.

      We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      You didn't win in Vietnam, you lost and fled.

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    10. Re:any good military has by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      but as it stands now, a bunch of teenagers are thoroughly and repeatedly trouncing the us military

      Not really. Do you have any idea just how many computers have .mil addresses? If somebody screwed up on the configuration for an infinitesimally small percentage of them, that's still a lot of systems open to attack. And the script kiddies will get lucky.

      But the US military also doesn't talk about their own "cyber" offensive and defensive capabilities for obvious reasons. Which leads to the erroneous presumption that such capabilities don't exist.

      Besides, these kinds of stories are great for getting additional funding for somebody's pet project. Much like Kennedy's complaining about the "Missile Gap" when he beat Nixon. No such gap existed, but it let Kennedy spend a lot of money fixing the gap.

    11. Re:any good military has by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      Are you Ho Chi Minh?

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    12. Re:any good military has by DeionXxX · · Score: 1

      Wait... we won Vietnam?

    13. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We won in Vietnam"

      ummmmm.. assuming you're not Vietnamese, you lost that war.

    14. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      Is this a parallel universe or something ?

    15. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      Wait, who and when won Vietnam? I thought the US ran with its tail between its legs?

    16. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam by...

      is that you Charlie?

    17. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are winning in Iraq
      We won in Vietnam

      lol wut

    18. Re:any good military has by AceofSpades19 · · Score: 1

      We are winning in Iraq by ending the use of civilians as shields. We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians. It is going to take that sort of effort to win against hackers, crackers and identity thieves. Unfortunately, right now the effort required to do this is intense enough that it is many, many times the losses so far. So I don't think they are going to do an

      Excuse me? The US did not win the Vietnam War, unless the US was aiming to make Vietnam a communist country and have lots of casualties.

    19. Re:any good military has by mjwx · · Score: 1, Insightful

      We are winning in Iraq

      That's doubtful at the best of times, but for the sake of argument entertain you.

      by ending the use of civilians as shields.

      No you haven't. There hasn't been any noticeable decrease in violence, just less reporting of it. Just because the US army has the media on a tight leash doesn't mean that you're winning, in fact this is about the only lesson the US armed forces learned in Vietnam and in my opinion the most useless one taught.

      We won in Vietnam

      Ahh yes, we've all seen the famous "victory in Vietnam" photo. You know the one where all the people are rushing to the roof of the US embassy to get on the last chopper out of Saigon.

      by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      Once again, you did no such thing. The US didnt know about half the double agents inside the South Vietnamese government and army until after the NVA rocked up in Saigon and pat them on the back.

      Reality is on line 1 for you. It also wants to know how this got modded up.

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    20. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam

      WTF?! I must have woken up in a parallel universe or something.

    21. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam

      Who are you?

    22. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam

      WTF?! I must have woken up in a parallel universe.

      by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      Yeah right, carpet bombing the jungle with napalm is just that, a surgical strike just on the bad guys.

    23. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I do agree that fighting hacker is guerilla warfare that our government is not capable of fighting and for them the fight cannot be won. They don't underdstand that tatics and most of their cool toys don't work against an enemy such has this. On two points you are tottaly wrong.

      We are winning in Iraq by ending the use of civilians as shields.

      Yes we ended the use of civilians as shields. We ended this by changing the term "Civilians" to "Enemy Combatants". No matter what "term" you use to call them the people we are killing is the local population. You can call them Enemy Combatants but it doesn't change the fact they are women and children.

      We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      Dude we lost that stupid war! I know I was there! The reason we lost was we could not separate the combatants from the civilians because the Combatants WERE! the civilians! No one except the poloticat eliete wanted us their. They are a happy thriving peaceful country now that we are gone.

      The one thing the US Military has yet to figure out is you can win a war against an "Army" but you cannot win a war against a "People" except by completely wiping them out. Yes and you must kill them all. If you leave a few they have babies and then you have a bunch of pissed off Grand kids in a few hundred years. Ask any American Indian. After over 500 years they still give the US Government a headache.

      Please as a Vietnam Vet I ask you to not ever make the statement again that we won that fucking war. We didn't. I lost a lot of good friends for nothing except to make a few people rich.

    24. Re:any good military has by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We won in Vietnam?

    25. Re:any good military has by Foodie · · Score: 0

      We are winning in Iraq by ending the use of civilians as shields. We won in Vietnam by separating the combatants from the civilians.

      I didn't know the Viet Cong was operating in Iraq.

      Actually, the strategies used by the Viet Cong is what that resistance fighters use now. It has made fighting wars more complex and you can't tell a civilian from a soldier if the soldiers are dressed as civilians, or are below 17 years of age, etc.

    26. Re:any good military has by MariusBoo · · Score: 1

      You didn't win in Vietnam. And you are not winning in Iraq.

  13. pfffft by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

    This is what you get when you recruit kids out of high school and renege on the promise of the money they will get for joining up. It is communism-on-a-stick. Where is the motivation to do well>

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  14. SQL Injection? *Yawn* by Rayeth · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think using SQL injection hasn't qualified as "hacking" since it showed up on XKCD.

  15. Information Week was hacked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By a mysterious terrorist collective that goes by the name of "mAkeslashd0teditorsl00kg00dbyc0mparis0n" who over hypes to the extreme while conflating sql injection attacks with the evil weapon of mass distruction SQL Server made by rogue nation-state Microsoft.
     

  16. Microsoft SQL Server by akabigbro · · Score: 0

    Hmm... Not surprised.

  17. This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes my balls itch.

  18. shhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    disinformation is a wonderful tool

    1. Re:shhhhh by Jurily · · Score: 1

      Unless the hackers got fake "classified" information only on display so they stop trying to get the real stuff, what the public knows probably doesn't matter much.

    2. Re:shhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Making up a lot of fake information worked very well for a while, but they seem to have lost track of what information was fake and what was not...

    3. Re:shhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ya. I suspect this is an attempt to make a lot of soup out of ... (searches for better metaphor) an attempt at looking like they're the crackers in a water soup (sorry, metaphors fail me today) an attempt to exhibit their 1337 cracker skillz to a world who knows who owns the cross hairs. They may have breached a local newsletter, for all we know, but such things can be twisted into brag. (sigh) I just wish The Prophet had said "don't tell lies" instead of "stay off the juice".

    4. Re:shhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lalalala it doesnt'm mater la la la la nothing happened move along ... that actitude is lame sir.

      Now the comunication and servers for the military of the USA are nothing but a fucking pimp house where you can find turkish, brazilian, venezuelan et all hackers. I bet they have a halo server and a torrent tracker somewhere inside the NSA and what not.

      Also why is advertising from scientology.org in my slashdot. WTF is going on with everything!

    5. Re:shhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, just a big Honey Pot and they always fall for it. If it were truly sensitive do you think they'd blare it on the news. Just let them keep thinking their methods worked so we can keep track of them. That's why we always announce when hackers successfully hack our sensitive "Honey Pots". Joke's on them.

  19. the only winning move is not to play by senorpoco · · Score: 1

    Start by protecting against the simple stuff and work up.

  20. Oh noes by iPhr0stByt3 · · Score: 1

    Oh no, they redirected web users. My goodness, does this mean we'll see missles flying overhead soon?
    Seriously, every department in the world has trojans in some form "inside the network". But retrieving the secretaries mail and retrieving classified information are different things. Albeit, redirecting users IS a mediocre risk, but since when does /. care about mediocre over-hyped news?

  21. Sensitive? by stuntpope · · Score: 1

    It appears the servers in question were used for serving up web sites. Probably publicly-facing web sites. So, what sensitive information was at risk? There are already regulations about what content can be approved to sit on a DoD server with a publicly-facing web site.

  22. Re:SQL Injection? *Yawn* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the same way I wouldn't consider a thief walking into your unlocked house, stealing all your stuffs breaking into your house

    If you are stupid enough to not lock your doors...

    I'm not saying that it isn't still illegal or wrong, but you can do things to protect yourself.

  23. Policies that are better. by Celeste+R · · Score: 1

    Cue a new cold war information protection policy! Dibs on the grey goo defense!

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  24. goalposts. deliverables. by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the goals in iraq and vietnam are different than that on the web. in irag and vietnam you have to go out there and police the countryside. on the web, you just have to hunker down and prevent intrusions. its the difference between riding out into the countryside and battening down the hatches on the castle. its a lot easier to secure a castle than police the entire countryside

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    1. Re:goalposts. deliverables. by mi · · Score: 1

      its the difference between riding out into the countryside and battening down the hatches on the castle. its a lot easier to secure a castle than police the entire countryside

      Your analogy is flawed... Although you are right, that "policing the countryside" is difficult, securing the castle is very hard too, when you aren't allowed to pursue the repelled attackers. And, as far as I know, most of the military's tactics and doctrines rely on retaliating (or a threat thereof) as a deterrent.

      And yet, retaliating on the Internet is something, that's not widely practiced, and, generally, frowned upon... So, without risking anything for each mistake they make, sooner or later the unpunished (and unpunishable) hackers find a way — and they only need to do it once to become famous.

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  25. Again????? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Again?

    Slashdot requires you to wait longer between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment.

    It's been 17 seconds since you hit 'reply'.

    Chances are, you're behind a firewall or proxy, or clicked the Back button to accidentally reuse a form. Please try again. If the problem persists, and all other options have been tried, contact the site administrator.

    So, what do I need to do, type really really slow?

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    1. Re:Again????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the SlashdotWave ;-)

    2. Re:Again????? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      So, what do I need to do, type really really slow?

      Maybe you can package your comment as the payload of an SQL injection?

    3. Re:Again????? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a site ran by and for geeks /. has really gone down hill.

      When the jscript isn't crapping out or running my cpu to the roof, or my comments disappear completely provided I can actually get it to post.

      They really have to learn a lot about accessibility and basic scripting and stop all these redicilous changes like removing the comment count like nobody would notice.

      I'm seconds away from finding a better homepage, If it wasn't for the Idle section I wouldn't even be here now.

  26. Sript kiddies at work, nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like little more than defacing public military websites to boost their "1337" egos. The real hacks, the serious ones, are the ones you never hear about because the perpetrators are smart enough to not go around publicly proclaiming that they broke in.

  27. Cyber Security Cadence by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know what I've been told
    But Army server's are quickly pwned
    You don't need some high-tech decryption machine
    Just a string with a semi-colon in between
    I don't know what I will find
    When good Army hacker's have resigned
    We'll have a good laugh when some bored kid in China
    Posts photos of Gen. Petraeus with a vagina

    1. Re:Cyber Security Cadence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your cadence's rhythm is terrible and you put unnecessary apostrophes in your plurals.

    2. Re:Cyber Security Cadence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full disclosure: I lol'd.

      Screw the US military pussies.

  28. Re:SQL Injection? *Yawn* by BobMcD · · Score: 1

    Meh. Locking your doors only means paying to replace a broken window along with your missing stuff. If the thief is determined, that is.

  29. a different war has different goals by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the battle on the web is one of image and a communication capability and integrity. if the enemy can thoroughly trounce the image and capability of the military on the web, then that is a battlefield which is a valid battlefield and which has been won by the enemy. you thoroughly reject the validity of this battlefield. you are thoroughly wrong and woefully behind the times

    your allegory of spraypainting graffiti on fences is inaccurate. it would be more accurate to say every flag in every corridor were turned into the nazi flag and every manual in every shelf were turned into mao's little red book, and every directive and nonsecure communication were replaced with the speeches of tokyo rose

    the scale and the morale effect is a lot larger than you suppose, and the effect on nonessential, and sometimes even essential communication channels is game-changing

    get with the times. it matters a hell of a lot more than you think and it will only continue to matter more. it is often said that the wars in the middle east are about winning hearts and minds. image control in that regard matters crucially. it does no good to project an image of incompetence, to give the enemy something to celebrate in terms of david beating goliath

    and this isn't even a new concept. it is valid in a million examples pre-internet. for one, consider the doolittle raid on tokyo after pearl harbor: completely tactically pointless. but in terms of morale boost for the usa, and morale killer for the enemy, it was huge. this is the exact same dynamic going on with the ability of teenagers to deface the military's presence on the internet, nevermind their ability to infiltrate actual essential communication, which you don't even consider to be a possibility

    well you can bet russia and china are considering that possibility, and may even have contingencies and capabilities in place to do exactly that while you snooze and act dismissive about what is going on here in terms of infiltration. you snooze you lose. right now, you are comatose

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    1. Re:a different war has different goals by tcopeland · · Score: 1

      > if the enemy can thoroughly trounce the image and capability of the military on the web,

      Another variant on this "lawfare", where you use the laws of a country against them. Boumediene v. Bush is prime fodder for this.

      Along the lines of what you were saying, Robert Coram's book about Medal of Honor recipient Colonel Bud Day talks about how the North Vietnamese would show the POWs videos from back home to show that resistance was hopeless - e.g., John Kerry's testimony before the Senate. Same kind of thing... "mediafare" or something.

    2. Re:a different war has different goals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell looks at the website of a munitions plant or the Army Corps of Engineers anyway? You're assuming the US lost the image war because of a defaced website that no one had any remote interest in visiting. You'd have a point if they hit army.com or any other military high traffic target. But no, they didn't.

      Your analogy is inaccurate too. They only defaced a single obscure website no one visits. They managed to replace couple of our flags with a Nazi flags. I guess we're fucked now.

  30. defcon 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    come on people, sql injection attack == hackers? plz web server defraud is only for even more sad audience who thinks its a form of haking

  31. kthx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    penetrated servers at the Army's McAlester Ammunition Plant in Oklahoma in January. Users attempting to access the site were redirected to a page featuring a climate-change protest.

    Thanks for the info, Turkish crackers, I didn't know the Army had an ammo plant in OK. That will be useful info.

  32. Big Deal by BlowHole666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok so someone defaced a website used by the US Army. How do we know that the website is not hosted by a 3rd party provider? Also how are we sure that sensitive information and the website are on the same network? Also the army may not have codded the website so it could have just been piss poor coding by a 3rd party web developer and not the contractor who codes the programs that control the sensitive information.

    In other words just because the front end website for the Army got defaced that means nothing. It is like defacing the IRS website. It means nothing till you have peoples tax returns being rerouted to your personal bank account.

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    1. Re:Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as a general rule, if its on the internet if there is sensative data on it, it was on it by mistake, the sensative data isn't connected to the internet at all

    2. Re:Big Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think traceroute, nslookup, whois, and a variety of other tools.

  33. You think they would learn by gubers33 · · Score: 1

    After the Decepticons hacked in and stole all that info from Captain Witwicky, that they would secure their information better.

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  34. What the hell are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SQL *Server* injection attacks? /. doesn't know the difference between SQL and SQL Server, really?

  35. Mass Defacement Contest by eulernet · · Score: 1

    Turkish hackers are well known to compete on mass defacement contests.

    When preparing a contest, they scan all IPs to locate vulnerable sites.
    When the contest starts, they deface the maximum number of sites in a given amount of time (probably one hour in this case).
    They always go for the quickest way to hack a site, and so, they are not really hackers but script-kiddies.

    TFA is completely bullshit, since the hackers don't care about the content of the sites.

    BTW, why does the army still keeps vulnerable Windows servers reachable on the Internet ?

  36. Ho hum by bartwol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Web server page redirection? Should that scare me? I mean, it's not quite as if somebody smuggled munitions or fired a weapon.
    "Oh...but the breach reveals the military's vulnerability."
    Does it? To what?
    Answer: To webserver page redirection.
    Might there be greater risk here? Perhaps. But no evidence was presented to indicate that. Get back to me when you've identified a MATERIAL RISK, not merely a TECHNICAL VULNERABILITY.
    As for those of you who have hopes and expectations that ALL THINGS MILITARY will be secure...WTF?

    1. Re:Ho hum by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, this is like "infiltrating" the coffee-break room of the Army recruiting station at your hometown strip mall. It's not great, but it's not that big a deal. I'm not sure I want the DoD investing the (taxpayer) resources to make sure nobody ever, ever defaces their website again.

    2. Re:Ho hum by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      "Oh...but the breach reveals the military's vulnerability."
      Does it? To what?
      Answer: To webserver page redirection.
      Might there be greater risk here? Perhaps. But no evidence was presented to indicate that. Get back to me when you've identified a MATERIAL RISK, not merely a TECHNICAL VULNERABILITY.

      The military has to look at an opponent and asses capabilities.
      Not actual abilities, but possible capabilities.

      So while you say "technical vulnerability," a security oriented person says "everyone who visited that web page could have been thoroughly pwned with trojans". If that doesn't qualify as a material risk, what does?

      As for those of you who have hopes and expectations that ALL THINGS MILITARY will be secure...WTF?

      Even the lowliest of web security scanners checks for SQL injections.

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  37. ONOES! by Morphine007 · · Score: 1

    Users attempting to access the site were redirected to a page featuring a climate-change protest.

    OHNOES! They breached the admin net!

    There's a reason why the protected A/B network is accessible to the intarwebs and the L2 or higher networks are not. This may be interesting from a hacktivism standpoint... but it's not terribly newsworthy... or, at least, it's not got nearly as much shock value as the summary purports it to have.

  38. Re:SQL Injection? *Yawn* by againjj · · Score: 1

    Some companies do not consider you to have done due diligence if you do not lock up. That is why I always lock the doors of rental cars, even though I don't lock my car's doors. I would also check your homeowners insurance policy for door locking.

  39. whoa by Danzigism · · Score: 1

    they hacked the gibson...

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  40. SQL Injection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm hardly one to defend MS products, but come on.

    SQL injection is hardly "a security vulnerability in Microsoft's SQL Server database." SQL injection is a result of badly written code. Nothing more. There is never an excuse for that to occur, even in environments where security isn't the top priority.

    The whole article feels a bit off to me. I get the sense it was written by somebody with little technical cluefulness. I particularly like the line about "sophisticated Defense Department tools and procedures designed to prevent such breaches" followed by a sentence identifying AV software. Written by a dummy, for similarly intelligent people, perhaps?

    1. Re:SQL Injection? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      SQL injection is hardly "a security vulnerability in Microsoft's SQL Server database."

      Then, how come these vulnerabilities are almost exclusively seen on Microsoft SQL Server (usually fronted by ASP or Cold Fusion)? Why never on Oracle? Why never on MySql? Even MS Access is more secure (it doesn't toss out schema information as readily as Microsoft SQL Server does).

  41. Worthy message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hackers have resorted to climate change and anti-war propaganda for their defacing of websites? What ever happen to "FREE KEVIN MITNICK!" .. now there was a message worth listening to ;).

  42. Re:SQL Injection? *Yawn* by CorporateSuit · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't lock my doors as night, but I do consider my security system secure. If anyone touches the door handle after 8:00pm, it triggers a shotgun that blows their head off. You wouldn't believe the piles of dead robbers we have in my garage!

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  43. Honeynet by copponex · · Score: 1

    Yeah. If you read about all of the shit the military keeps secret for decades, something tells me that information week wasn't able to pull something the military didn't want to give.

    So, what would you do if you wanted to learn the technical capabilities of the enemy? Try to hack into their location, or set up some seemingly vulnerable services and watch what they do? Double bonus: "leak" the break-in (wink wink) to Information Week and see what kind of celebration activity you can see on the lines. Hell, I'd be setting up false gold mines all over the place, and some with false information you know have been leaked through double agents already.

    It's better for the military to see an attack vector earlier rather than later.

    1. Re:Honeynet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for the Army. I can tell you that yes, indeed, the military does let things happen that many would just block at the perimeter. And they watch it. And analyze it. And follow those attacking us. We know attacks in the wild that you won't find out about for at least 6 months. Yes, we are targeted by very knowledgeable and sophisticated attackers, not mere script kiddies.

  44. right by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    you consider the battlefield invalid and low-priority

    strange how people are so hard at work on this unimportant nonbattlefield, eh?

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    1. Re:right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand how you gleaned that I think the Internet is not a valid battlefield, but from the way you seem to make broad conclusions from limited observations, it makes a lot of sense.

      I'm just simply saying that your assessment that a bunch of teenagers are "trouncing" the US military is based on shaky ground when the best they can do is deface two websites that no one pays attention to. The strategy and tactic is sound but the conclusion you made isn't.

  45. I don't speak turkish by Xaoswolf · · Score: 1

    But I'm really hoping that "mosted" translates into something really awesome, because in English, it just sounds pretty gay...

  46. Turkey bees by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Turkey fell for this US Army honeypot. And Slashdotters play the game. Oops!

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  47. Wrong words - there is no war there by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Changing wording to create fiction in the hope that somebody gullible will hand over some cash is not the way to fight this increasingly organised and increasingly common criminal activity, but unfortunately that is how the current head of the NSA and others scrambling for funding are doing it. One such idiot full of cyberhype recently showed he knew less about Trojans than anyone with even a passing knowlege of european culture let alone a computer professional (ie. the Trojan horse lets the other nasty stuff in). Forget the "guerrilla war against hackers" bullshit since the people we really want to catch are fraudsters, money launderers and the occassional trespasser onto military networks which makes them a spy and not some "cyberterrorist". When we escalate the words into the realm of fantasy you end up with pointless running around in circles trying to catch fantastic supervillians that may not exist instead of looking at reality and catching those that do exist.

  48. Classified Info Is On Separate Servers by EngineeringMarvel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use to work for one of the larger defense contractors and the information that was considered vital to system to design or classified as at least secret were usually on separate servers that were not connected to the internet. I know on several occasions when sensitive information was sent across the internet it was done on a special computer. I've also seen instances where the information was not allowed to be on a computer at all.

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  49. wrong by circletimessquare · · Score: 1
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  50. Bad Taste by meyekul · · Score: 1

    Anti-climate change and anti-Israeli sites? Why didn't they at least do something funny, like redirect to goatse? This story would be so much better if it were 'Hackers Rick-Roll US Army Servers' or something along those lines.

  51. Oh noes, we have a $X [i] gap ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where $X = {"nuclear missle", "strategic bomber", "wmd", "UAV", "cyberspace"};

    Remember Citiziens, your duty is to cower at all time and pay your tithes to your feudal masters.

    Remember Citizens, thinking is for anti-State terrorists, so report all thinkers to your local Homeland Security officer.

  52. Subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Army's McAlester Ammunition Plant in Oklahoma ... Users attempting to access the site were redirected to a page featuring a climate-change protest.
    Who the hell would visit a Ammunition Plant website?

  53. Shouldn't that be "crackers" or "cyber-criminals"? by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that be "crackers" or "cyber-criminals"?

    Are we giving up on resisting the bastardization of the word hacker?

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  54. Re:Again????? Moderation borked too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also annoying is that recently the "Moderate" button no longer appears when I use Firefox (which is all the time) It's there if I use IE but if you thing I'm using that rubbish to surf the web you're crazy! It's only a bloody HTML button for "Bob"s sake!

    So for the third week running here I am browsing away with 20 moderator points ready for use but, without using IE, no way to use them.

    Bring back the old Slashcode that's what I say - or at least the good bits.

  55. army morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but sir we are upgrading your systems to windblast 7

    anyway I say good, buy some more of microsoft so you will be hacked to hell you army morons

  56. Re:SQL Injection? *Yawn* by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

    And, how do they taste barbecued?

  57. DoD Network Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and also the ability to bypass supposedly sophisticated Defense Department tools and procedures designed to prevent such breaches.

    I have personal experience with DoD networks and there is nothing particularly sophisticated about their tools and procedures. Security of classified material comes from keeping it offline altogether and there is a difference between "sensitive" and "classified" material.

  58. Pure Garbage by Hasai · · Score: 1

    This was nothing more than a simple-minded attack on a handful of public websites containing NO classified data.

    The U.S. military follows a rigid security discipline of having separate network for secure ("black") and non-secure ("red") traffic. There is NO PHYSICAL CONNECTION between these networks, and there is NO connection between the black networks and the Internet.

    This article was right up there with Swine Flu II: Pure sensationalism.

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  59. MS SQL The server of choice for... by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    Nuclear Silos! I really hope not. But this so called cyberwarfare that previous posters are talking about that requires outlandish budgets because it's supposedly more dangerous than real warfare is only dangerous when you link weapons to computers. And here we are sitting on top of tens of thousands of nuclear bombs controlled by computers, and building airplanes and tanks and robots with guns. It doesn't matter if they're linked to the internet or not. The fact remains they have radio receivers that can give commands to shoot and kill people. Please stop listing cyber-graffiti and start talking about the serious problems.

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  60. Stop SQL injection exploits this way...(?) by helpacoder · · Score: 1

    1) Get query data from user.

    2) Wrap query data in proper SQL statement AS TEXT STRINGS.

    3) Execute SQL statement.

    4) Return results to user.

    Any SQL injection exploits are treated as 'search text' so should be harmless, right?

  61. TSA agents could have prevented this by josephcmiller2 · · Score: 1

    If they had TSA agents standing at all the firewalls, making each packet take off it's shoes before proceeding - this could have been stopped.

  62. absolutely right by mi · · Score: 1

    Which part of the: "The Pentagon plans [emphasis mine] to create a new military command for cyberspace, administration officials said Thursday, stepping up preparations by the armed forces to conduct both offensive and defensive computer warfare," — did you miss? I mean, come on, it is the first paragraph of your own link!

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