Am I the only one that is always skeptical when reading about these "child prodigies"? I always picture some very overbearing, media-whore parents pushing the kid way to hard, way too early.
I agree with you. China has a very large force of people working to hack the world. This is a well known fact. Let's just hope the NSA is smart enough to be watching right now and observing how they're doing whatever they're doing. I'd be surprised if it were just a simple DDOS since wikileaks could clearly identify that as an attack.
It is also the only supercomputer in the top 10 that hasn't taken any government funding So this implies that IBM has taken government funding for their fastest server? That's news to me...
I think it's reasonable to assume programming skill among developers would follow a bell-curve, in which case not only is your example misleading, it's not applicable.
I don't know if this is a testament to how much less IT people are getting paid, than to how much MORE lawyers are getting paid.
I'd say as IT workers, we still get a 50-75% premium over the average US salary. I'd say that's not too shabby. And incidentally, there was a WSJ article a few months back discussing how attorney's salaries have started to level off due to excess supply and new law-school graduates are having trouble finding jobs, so I wouldn't be surprised to see us make a little more salary progress relative to attorneys in the next 10+ years as the developing world catches up on salaries and wankers like this drop out of engineering school because it's "too hard".
IT work is challenging, and if someone thinks it's "boring" to be in engineering school, they shouldn't be an engineer. You're born to do this stuff, not bred.
The real question is, where are all the videos that should be streaming out of Tibet? CNN isn't broadcasting them, and neither is any other news outlet. Granted, it's a poor nation, so there's not too many people with technology, and they're scared shitless (as I would be) but does the Chinese government really exercise THAT much control over people's cell phones, video recorders, and cameras?
I mean, there should be SOME indications as to what is going on there. If the Chinese government has that much control in this age of ubiquitous technology, that is truly scary.
I agree. There's not much here to actually inform someone. Basic PR. I guess it was worth a shot. Maybe they'll get a little more latitude in the future, if this is tried again.
The huge gain in salary we saw in the '90s is still continuing, but it's moved to India. Once they are at some level of equivalence as us, we will begin to see our salaries skyrocket again. There will be emerging competition with China, Russia, etc, but I am skeptical as to how talented the labor pool is out there -- particularly with respect to language.
I've personally pulled the data and done an analysis on IT salaries and exchange rate. On a straight line extrapolation, India salaries will == US salaries in ~7-8 years.
The demand for talented and skilled IT workers that actually know what they're doing (and are willing to do it) is going to do nothing but go up. Outsourcing is a fact and will remain that way, but IT jobs will always remain in demand.
Whenever I hear folks talking on the subject of bottled water vs. tap water, or water quality in general, I'm reminded of a study (which I'm too lazy to look up) conducted by a network news show a few years back. Turned out that bottled water was much less sanitary and clean than tap water.
Why? Because tap water has teams of people objectively surveying its quality, unmotivated by profit. And bottled water has very little regulation, at least when measured against the regulation required around tap water.
I, for one, drink either tap water or filtered tap water. These bottled water companies can take a hike, as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I admit my post is a bit rambling. My two points were the loss of efficiency and the potential for oppression. I probably could've expressed it better... but ya know this is/.
Yeah, because everyone knows international bodies are very efficient at doing their work.
I understand efficiency may not be the motivation here, but it should be. How are you going to get anything done with bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy? Just ask the UN.
Fact is that though we certainly have our faults, the US as a nation stands for openness and liberty. We certainly aren't the only ones but we're probably the largest. If we make this international, this will be subject to the same squabbles, power plays and large scale oppression associated with other nations less inclined to openness.
Maybe some people would call this being an overly arrogant American, but I disagree. Truthfully, though we're far from perfect, we have generally stuck up for people and their human rights. Do you honestly think the Internet would look the same as it does today if it originated in China? Unfortunately, our crappy, shameful, terrible current administration has made everyone forget that fact.
Maybe put this in the hands of something like the G7 (not G8), but don't allow the most oppressive regimes on the planet have a say on the very core of Internet connectivity.
Also aboard the upgrade train is automatic crash recovery Kind of funny, you'd think they'd work on not making it crash. Or at least spin it a little better.
And you are right, it was certainly a tit for tat atmosphere, and as long as Castro is alive, it will remain that way.
No. -1 for being an immature and childish country.
Oh PUUUUUUUUUUUULEASE, would you want to make nice with a man that threatened to kill your entire family (and he had the means to do it), even if it were 50 years later? Well, neither does the US government. We didn't deal with China until Mao was gone, we didn't like Stalin (though we were forced to deal with him during WWII out of necessity), and we don't like Castro.
In the case of Castro I don't think it's unreasonable to carry a grudge against someone who tried to destroy our nation.
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Am I the only one that is always skeptical when reading about these "child prodigies"? I always picture some very overbearing, media-whore parents pushing the kid way to hard, way too early.
I agree with you. China has a very large force of people working to hack the world. This is a well known fact. Let's just hope the NSA is smart enough to be watching right now and observing how they're doing whatever they're doing. I'd be surprised if it were just a simple DDOS since wikileaks could clearly identify that as an attack.
I think it's reasonable to assume programming skill among developers would follow a bell-curve, in which case not only is your example misleading, it's not applicable.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT THAT! Could just be that it's so late, but damnit, that's funny
I don't know if this is a testament to how much less IT people are getting paid, than to how much MORE lawyers are getting paid.
I'd say as IT workers, we still get a 50-75% premium over the average US salary. I'd say that's not too shabby. And incidentally, there was a WSJ article a few months back discussing how attorney's salaries have started to level off due to excess supply and new law-school graduates are having trouble finding jobs, so I wouldn't be surprised to see us make a little more salary progress relative to attorneys in the next 10+ years as the developing world catches up on salaries and wankers like this drop out of engineering school because it's "too hard".
IT work is challenging, and if someone thinks it's "boring" to be in engineering school, they shouldn't be an engineer. You're born to do this stuff, not bred.
The real question is, where are all the videos that should be streaming out of Tibet? CNN isn't broadcasting them, and neither is any other news outlet. Granted, it's a poor nation, so there's not too many people with technology, and they're scared shitless (as I would be) but does the Chinese government really exercise THAT much control over people's cell phones, video recorders, and cameras?
I mean, there should be SOME indications as to what is going on there. If the Chinese government has that much control in this age of ubiquitous technology, that is truly scary.
Worked wonders for the music industry, right? How long do you think it would take to hack a "kindle code"?
I think explaining to Wall Street why you just plunked down $19 billion for something you're not using would be a pretty tough sell.
Hey, that's why I said the CUTE acronyms. We use the practical ones!
You think we're bigger than generals? I think we're just a bunch of low level geeks. Yeah... talented for sure, but not at the level of a general.
Yeah, I agree. This would be good PR on myspace or facebook. But /. is slightly different. I'm surprised some PR people wouldn't know that.
The cute little acronyms aren't used much here. We're hard core geeks. No big deal though -- at least they're trying.
I agree. There's not much here to actually inform someone. Basic PR. I guess it was worth a shot. Maybe they'll get a little more latitude in the future, if this is tried again.
The huge gain in salary we saw in the '90s is still continuing, but it's moved to India. Once they are at some level of equivalence as us, we will begin to see our salaries skyrocket again. There will be emerging competition with China, Russia, etc, but I am skeptical as to how talented the labor pool is out there -- particularly with respect to language.
I've personally pulled the data and done an analysis on IT salaries and exchange rate. On a straight line extrapolation, India salaries will == US salaries in ~7-8 years.
The demand for talented and skilled IT workers that actually know what they're doing (and are willing to do it) is going to do nothing but go up. Outsourcing is a fact and will remain that way, but IT jobs will always remain in demand.
Unrational?
/. grammer play?
Do you mean irrational, or am I falling victim to a
$130 Million? Where is it?
Whenever I hear folks talking on the subject of bottled water vs. tap water, or water quality in general, I'm reminded of a study (which I'm too lazy to look up) conducted by a network news show a few years back. Turned out that bottled water was much less sanitary and clean than tap water.
Why? Because tap water has teams of people objectively surveying its quality, unmotivated by profit. And bottled water has very little regulation, at least when measured against the regulation required around tap water.
I, for one, drink either tap water or filtered tap water. These bottled water companies can take a hike, as far as I'm concerned.
Big media companies are finally starting to "get" the Internet and join the information age by finally making meaningful contributions online.
Wisdom of crowds is far from dead though... and may I say let's not get in the habit of referencing "Web 3.0" PLEASE.
Wow, well said! One of the best quotes I've heard re the UN:
The UN was not designed to deliver us to paradise - rather to save us from hell.
I think that is a perfect description of what the UN does.
Yeah, I admit my post is a bit rambling. My two points were the loss of efficiency and the potential for oppression. I probably could've expressed it better... but ya know this is /.
Yeah, because everyone knows international bodies are very efficient at doing their work.
I understand efficiency may not be the motivation here, but it should be. How are you going to get anything done with bureaucracy on top of bureaucracy? Just ask the UN.
Fact is that though we certainly have our faults, the US as a nation stands for openness and liberty. We certainly aren't the only ones but we're probably the largest. If we make this international, this will be subject to the same squabbles, power plays and large scale oppression associated with other nations less inclined to openness.
Maybe some people would call this being an overly arrogant American, but I disagree. Truthfully, though we're far from perfect, we have generally stuck up for people and their human rights. Do you honestly think the Internet would look the same as it does today if it originated in China? Unfortunately, our crappy, shameful, terrible current administration has made everyone forget that fact.
Maybe put this in the hands of something like the G7 (not G8), but don't allow the most oppressive regimes on the planet have a say on the very core of Internet connectivity.
Ah, I can't wait...
Tell your boss not to be so damn cheap. (and ask for a raise yourself)
Web developers are not exactly a rare breed, regardless of platform.
And you are right, it was certainly a tit for tat atmosphere, and as long as Castro is alive, it will remain that way.
No. -1 for being an immature and childish country.
Oh PUUUUUUUUUUUULEASE, would you want to make nice with a man that threatened to kill your entire family (and he had the means to do it), even if it were 50 years later? Well, neither does the US government. We didn't deal with China until Mao was gone, we didn't like Stalin (though we were forced to deal with him during WWII out of necessity), and we don't like Castro.
In the case of Castro I don't think it's unreasonable to carry a grudge against someone who tried to destroy our nation.