Napster IMO is a perfect example of this, It's nothing amazing that came out of nowhere, but it was the right thing at the right time and became big because a lot of people used it. napster's inovation train looks like this.
While one of the contracters was leaving at my job we went out to a indian restarant to say our good buys.
My boss mentioned that we're still hiring one more "senior programmer" and that about 3 months ago he would get a resume about about once a week. now he gets to many, and is being very selective.
Then, slowly, they will leverage the desktop to work into the server market.
This hasen't worked out for them to well so far. Sure, there was a boom maybe 4 years ago when everyone just assumed NT would be everywhere. Now it's Solaris, HP/UX, and yes, linux everywhere. NT admins are shunned as infioror. NT is thought of as infiroir.
It's harder to change a mindset. People who control servers still see windows as a buggy desktop OS. Windows 2000, as good as it is as a desktop OS, still can't hold a candle to Unix as a server OS in whats important. remote access, true 99.99 uptime, etc...
Personally I hope it works for for Microsoft this time, as i'm sick of Linux users cheering on every stupid thing that comes out for Gnome (anti alias anyone?), yet never appauses microsoft for anything.
Though in the end i have a sinking feeling this will end up looking more like Frontpage extensions 2.0.. i'm sure more complicated, but the same in the sense that it'll be closed source, ridden with security problems, have scalabilty issues and generally not feel like a real unix app.
Took a while for me to get to the artical, seems to be slashdoted. anyway here is the home page for the project, it has some quicktimes's, pictures and other stuff.
http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/leglab/robots/rob ot s.html
First off I would like to say that was a very well written, thought out post.. one of the better one's I've seen as of late. You points for what's legal or not was very interesting.
However, I your solutions impractical and unoriginal
Point (1) on labeling mp3's is already implemented, as Id3 (and id1, and id2). This doesn't
Point (2) Server's being "Key protected". This is a given, if you are trying to secure a server from access. Maybe there is more to this??
Point (3) Seems to be a lot of hand waving about how maybe if we put 1 and 2 together something might work.
A lot of companies have been trying to do something like this mainly a group called SGMI, it's a complete failure. It will continue to fail. I firmly believe that there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about programs like napster. napster will die soon, then something else will prop up, they will try to crush that, then another will spawn. Eventually they'll stop trying to crush it, and make there own that is: Legal, Easy, and "Cost Effective".
SGI is a private company that has funded many projects. Are they not open source because they have been privately funded? Business is not the root of all evil, you know.
Who said anything about evil? I have no problem with companys paying money for research, hell i used to work at MS Research, and i had no problem getting a paycheck.
As for privatly funded OpenSource, I guess it depeneds on your definition. To me Open Source=Developed by people for free, and made free.
But I guess it's a narrow vision, If you look at the list of "great" open source projects, you'll find that all of them came from $$$, not people in there spare time for a common good.
The only thing i've seen from Spare Time Open Source (STOS) is a bunch of clones and knock-offs.
Unix, Started as a goverment project called Mulics, then turned into a usable product from AT&T (Bill Joy and Kerigan (ack spelling) i think).
sendmail? shit i don't know. it's a big buggy peice of crap from the old unix days. as far a E-Mail, the origins arn't clear. but i would imagine it's also from a research group at a company from the 60's or 60's.
Mosaic: Once again privatly funded research. NCSA Mosaic i belive.
Apache: A Patchy Web Server, from the same place as Mosaic.
Not to say open source hasn't inovated anything, but those are not good examples. they all come from research projects from large privatly funded oraniztions.
the best thing i can think of offhand is PNG.. even though it's more of a reation to GIF and freakin Unisys's patents. OggVorbis similarly is a reaction to mp3 and fofenhifers patents.
If i was over at a friends house i felt like doing some code i could just go to my car (or big pocket), plug it into his moniter and keyboard and do whatever on MY machine. I don't have to ask if i can fuck with his machine to make it the way i want. I wouldn't have to download the shit i need to do what i'm doing and could copy all his cool warez to my little pc, i'm sure there's more... just can't think of anything.
My general feel of it is that yes, it is usefull. it doesn't make as much sence as a laptop, but it's very small, and still has a lot of good uses. besides it's really freakin cool, and just making your geek friends jelous is enought reason to for a lot of people to buy one anyway.
Personally I think slashdot needs Jon Katz (and not just because i have the same first name). Slashdot's are like sharks, they like to feed, and anything Mr. Katz writes in yummie stuff to chew apart.
Just look at the recent debate against that new cipher thing (earlyer today), or that dudes ALPINE p2p thing, most people here really injoy taking other peoples ideas apart.
btw: i'm sure VA is going to ditch intire "sites" not staff, probably the less successfull andover sites, freshmeat and slashdot will be fine, at least i hope so.
I host my open source project on sourceforge.. as do a shitload of others. I knew when i signed up it wouldn't last forever, but i have a feeling that may be sooner then latter.
Sourceforge itself isn't in a very good state right now, the statistics are broken, cvs breaks often, shell breaks often, the compile farm just went back online, the list goes on.
I have a feeling its turned into the place where script kiddies can get a shell account to play around with, all they have to do is make up a project name, and set it's state to pre-alpha, or planning (as are a huge portion of the sourceforge projects)
We all wanted to stock market to sober up, but i don't think we relized how and where we would feel it. Sourceforge IMIO (i=ignorant) was a reaction to the OpenSource(tm) hype of 99/00, it has absolutly no way of making money, and must cost a decent amount to run.
Another site that might not make it till the end of the year is live365.com, they bassicly give anyone T3 bandwidth to anyone who wants to stream there mp3s. right now they seem to be scabbleing to make money, i don't think it's going to work out.
what about photorealism? is really depends on your defintion doesn't it? if it's just a creative process, well then sure, creating software could be art.
but is code art? i bet there's some artist that has taken large chunks of code and made it look very pretty. DeCSS shirts anyone?
maybe even the movie.. ah what was that called... "Antitrust". even hackers. but it wasn't code, it just looked like code. art with symbols.
anyway, i'm sure it's something we've thought about, for sure the answer is subjective, it really depends on how you would define what art is.
FreeBSD severely lacks formal documentation, as far as I know the handbook and the "design and implementation" we're the only books I know of.
When I need help with my box I go to www.freebsddiary.org, or the search the mailing lists from freebsd.org. if that fails I try Deja (now google), and google.com/bsd, or sometimes just google with my problem and "FreeBSD" tacked onto the end.
Another book is always a help, but in I doubt this book can compare to the "tome" status that the previous two do. The handbook is by far the most strait forward guild to any OS I have ever seen, it covers an amazing breadth of topics in very few pages, the Design and implementation book is one of the tomes on OS design in general, and of course specific to BSD, which is arguably the best designed OS, ever.
DSL's cool, the middle men suck.
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the problem with dsl is that it's hard to get going, and if something goes wronge it's hard to find someone to take responsibility.
trying to get dsl in the UT area of austin is a so painfull that wardens in a turkish prison wouldn't use out of humanity for the prisoners.
I spent 2 months on a dial up waiting for southwestern bell, covard, and speakeasy to hold hands. then called road runner and they set me up the next day!
Slashdot Mirror
VBScript is licensed from MS, COM stuff is from WINE i belive, or maybe that company that makes that win32 layer for *nix.
-Jon
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irc
irc w/ bots
irc w/ custom client for mp3s=napster
p2p/filesharing
it was already there, it just wasn't attractive to the mass of adverage computer users. no it is, now it's huge (ok, maybe dieing)
-Jon
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damm.
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My boss mentioned that we're still hiring one more "senior programmer" and that about 3 months ago he would get a resume about about once a week. now he gets to many, and is being very selective.
Tight(er) job market, at least in Austin, TX.
-Jon
Streamripper
Then, slowly, they will leverage the desktop to work into the server market.
This hasen't worked out for them to well so far. Sure, there was a boom maybe 4 years ago when everyone just assumed NT would be everywhere. Now it's Solaris, HP/UX, and yes, linux everywhere. NT admins are shunned as infioror. NT is thought of as infiroir.
It's harder to change a mindset. People who control servers still see windows as a buggy desktop OS. Windows 2000, as good as it is as a desktop OS, still can't hold a candle to Unix as a server OS in whats important. remote access, true 99.99 uptime, etc...
Personally I hope it works for for Microsoft this time, as i'm sick of Linux users cheering on every stupid thing that comes out for Gnome (anti alias anyone?), yet never appauses microsoft for anything.
Though in the end i have a sinking feeling this will end up looking more like Frontpage extensions 2.0.. i'm sure more complicated, but the same in the sense that it'll be closed source, ridden with security problems, have scalabilty issues and generally not feel like a real unix app.
-Jon
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http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/leglab/robots/ro
-Jon
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http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?mode_u=off&
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However, I your solutions impractical and unoriginal
Point (1) on labeling mp3's is already implemented, as Id3 (and id1, and id2). This doesn't
Point (2) Server's being "Key protected". This is a given, if you are trying to secure a server from access. Maybe there is more to this??
Point (3) Seems to be a lot of hand waving about how maybe if we put 1 and 2 together something might work.
A lot of companies have been trying to do something like this mainly a group called SGMI, it's a complete failure. It will continue to fail. I firmly believe that there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about programs like napster. napster will die soon, then something else will prop up, they will try to crush that, then another will spawn. Eventually they'll stop trying to crush it, and make there own that is: Legal, Easy, and "Cost Effective".
-Jon
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I've been saying that for a while.. funny enough microsoft now has "Thread Nuertral Apartments", of "TNA"s. for all us COM+ people.
..and who said microsoft didn't makeing anything cool?
-Jon
Streamripper
SGI is a private company that has funded many projects. Are they not open source because they have been privately funded? Business is not the root of all evil, you know.
Who said anything about evil? I have no problem with companys paying money for research, hell i used to work at MS Research, and i had no problem getting a paycheck.
As for privatly funded OpenSource, I guess it depeneds on your definition. To me Open Source=Developed by people for free, and made free.
But I guess it's a narrow vision, If you look at the list of "great" open source projects, you'll find that all of them came from $$$, not people in there spare time for a common good.
The only thing i've seen from Spare Time Open Source (STOS) is a bunch of clones and knock-offs.
-Jon
Streamripper
Perl=sh+lots of stuff. sh is from Unix (see above)
Gnutella=Nullsoft's creation. Nullsoft is owned by AOL (damit)
-Jon
Streamripper
sendmail? shit i don't know. it's a big buggy peice of crap from the old unix days. as far a E-Mail, the origins arn't clear. but i would imagine it's also from a research group at a company from the 60's or 60's.
Mosaic: Once again privatly funded research. NCSA Mosaic i belive.
Apache: A Patchy Web Server, from the same place as Mosaic.
Not to say open source hasn't inovated anything, but those are not good examples. they all come from research projects from large privatly funded oraniztions.
the best thing i can think of offhand is PNG.. even though it's more of a reation to GIF and freakin Unisys's patents. OggVorbis similarly is a reaction to mp3 and fofenhifers patents.
-Jon
Streamripper
My general feel of it is that yes, it is usefull. it doesn't make as much sence as a laptop, but it's very small, and still has a lot of good uses. besides it's really freakin cool, and just making your geek friends jelous is enought reason to for a lot of people to buy one anyway.
-Jon
Streamripper
Just look at the recent debate against that new cipher thing (earlyer today), or that dudes ALPINE p2p thing, most people here really injoy taking other peoples ideas apart.
btw: i'm sure VA is going to ditch intire "sites" not staff, probably the less successfull andover sites, freshmeat and slashdot will be fine, at least i hope so.
-Jon
Streamripper
can't say i really care. but i've never made such a bad investment.
VA Linux's buisness plan seemed to be
"we have linux in our name, we'll sell... uhhh um.... linux boxes!"
-Jon
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Sourceforge itself isn't in a very good state right now, the statistics are broken, cvs breaks often, shell breaks often, the compile farm just went back online, the list goes on.
I have a feeling its turned into the place where script kiddies can get a shell account to play around with, all they have to do is make up a project name, and set it's state to pre-alpha, or planning (as are a huge portion of the sourceforge projects)
We all wanted to stock market to sober up, but i don't think we relized how and where we would feel it. Sourceforge IMIO (i=ignorant) was a reaction to the OpenSource(tm) hype of 99/00, it has absolutly no way of making money, and must cost a decent amount to run.
Another site that might not make it till the end of the year is live365.com, they bassicly give anyone T3 bandwidth to anyone who wants to stream there mp3s. right now they seem to be scabbleing to make money, i don't think it's going to work out.
-Jon
Streamripper
does art need to convay emotion?
what about photorealism? is really depends on your defintion doesn't it? if it's just a creative process, well then sure, creating software could be art.
but is code art? i bet there's some artist that has taken large chunks of code and made it look very pretty. DeCSS shirts anyone?
maybe even the movie.. ah what was that called... "Antitrust". even hackers. but it wasn't code, it just looked like code. art with symbols.
anyway, i'm sure it's something we've thought about, for sure the answer is subjective, it really depends on how you would define what art is.
-Jon
Streamripper
also an impressive collection here...
-Jon
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When I need help with my box I go to www.freebsddiary.org, or the search the mailing lists from freebsd.org. if that fails I try Deja (now google), and google.com/bsd, or sometimes just google with my problem and "FreeBSD" tacked onto the end.
Another book is always a help, but in I doubt this book can compare to the "tome" status that the previous two do. The handbook is by far the most strait forward guild to any OS I have ever seen, it covers an amazing breadth of topics in very few pages, the Design and implementation book is one of the tomes on OS design in general, and of course specific to BSD, which is arguably the best designed OS, ever.
-Jon
Streamripper
It just goes to show how little you have to do to get attention and praise from the open source world, which is a good thing I guess.
-Jon
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bigfreak doesn't work no mo.
-Jon
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trying to get dsl in the UT area of austin is a so painfull that wardens in a turkish prison wouldn't use out of humanity for the prisoners.
I spent 2 months on a dial up waiting for southwestern bell, covard, and speakeasy to hold hands. then called road runner and they set me up the next day!
-Jon
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