Great, I'll just go tell my mutli million dollar turnover employer we need to spend 18 months rewriting our product in another language because "This guy on slashdot said so"
Well not quite because in order to find said torrent you've deliberately gone to a site with copyrighted downloads. That analogy works better if they sent out the torrents in spam emails or in adverts placed on sites like slashdot where no-one would ever normally download copyrighted data. Ever.
At the risk of wading into a very silly arguement, you don't look for flaws on real people the same way you would in that situation.
It's a case of larger than life.
In a feature film you don't want James Bond pausing in the middle of a stand off with SMERSH to say "Crap, I really need to take a leak, hold that thought".
Equally, would you still say Apple milk cost $2.99 if the refridgeration it required cost $10 a day compared to 18c for normal milk.
Also as I pointed out elsewhere, a PAYG N70 is £149.99, not $500-700.
And yes, you get screwed on PAYG, although that's irrelevent to my point, the average PAYG here might have those prices but only for outgoing calls and there's no minute expiry or ongoing cost so long as you make any call once every 6 months.
Those are reasonably standard PAYG rates apart from the minimum deposit. The equivilent here has no minimum except "Make a call every 6 months".
Fwiw, you can get a PAYG N70 for £149, that's a pretty good 3g smartphone. The market here is going to be significently harder for a phone that'll be £400 + a very restrictive contract and isn't 3G.
How can you conclude the answer is no when in week 2 (despite the headline) of the new rules a band is doing it.
It's also misleading because even the old rules allowed a single to enter a week in advance if there was a single to be released. Gnarls Barkley entered at #1 on download sales alone LAST YEAR.
Several singles whose CDs are not on sale anymore cracked the top 75 including "Mad World" from Donny Darko, a former number 1 which is now used in the Gears of War ad which at #58 made its first chart appearence for 3 years.
Well not quite. Because all computers need that power. Broadly speaking any PC you buy or own will use a very similar amount of power.
However, phones with pay as you go service are plentiful. Not every cell phone service costs $60 a month. I'm paying $20 on a contract myself with my Nokia 6630 (which is at least a 3g smartphone). It's more than possible to buy said Nokia for maybe £200 and just connect it to Tesco mobile and pay very little.
The point here is it appears you're being forced into a contract with a minimum of $40 a month (to be very charitable) and I don't see why you can't then include that as a cost when your alternatives do not come with that.
Read my other post if you like. I'm clearly neither.
You simply haven't considered the concept of PAYG service. If you can get a 3G smartphone with a camera for £4.99 plus mandatory £30 in call time buying then It's absolutely legit to include the price of a forced contract.
The only bit I missed is the $175. It'll be interesting to see if anyone tries it.
I can buy a mobile for as little as £20 from the supermarket and just pay for my calls on it. The minimum is often pretty teeny, like less than £20 a year.
Here for instance.. Cheapest phone is £29.99 with £20 in free calls. It's not an Apple iphone (of course) but it does mean it's entirely legit to include the cost of a forced contract in the phone price.
Hell you can get a 3g Video mobile with a camera for £34.99 including £30 in free calls from here.
If a phone is only available on contract it's not "scaremongering" to include the contract in the price. I accept things may be different in the US.
The $40 phone I can buy from the supermarket without contract is a $40 phone. At least in the UK, pay as you go is actually bigger than contract in terms of market share.
If a phone is only available with a contract then you have to include the price of the cheapest possible phone as the price.
As for $1500 for a standard 1 year agreement I don't quite get that. My last 1 year contract with a Nokia 6630 worked out to £8.99 a month with rebates.
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Yes but you wouldn't give a fuck about it on a real person.
Porn relates to real sex and James Bond does to real spying. The problem is you don't like anything that takes you out of that "world".
Great, I'll just go tell my mutli million dollar turnover employer we need to spend 18 months rewriting our product in another language because "This guy on slashdot said so"
The Linksys branded iphones have existed for over a year, they just have been updated recently.
Cisco also sold iphone branded products until at least 2002 having bought the previous owner.
No, They plunder!
Well that's just the thing, Sony DIDN'T sell all their PS3s. It's quite trivial to get on in the US now.
Just to support that. I never saw any of these films before the 1997 releases.
I enjoyed new hope, was considerably less convinced by the next two.
Phantom was a mess and I'm still trying to work up the courage to watch 2 and 3.
Fair point. The 3G standard does of course require a front camera.
All sensible.
Apart from the fact there's a 2MP camera on the iphone.
And I had a post modded down to -1 troll for basically expressing these views straight after to the keynote.
It was all reasonably obvious to those of us who weren't making use of tissues at the time.
Well not quite because in order to find said torrent you've deliberately gone to a site with copyrighted downloads. That analogy works better if they sent out the torrents in spam emails or in adverts placed on sites like slashdot where no-one would ever normally download copyrighted data. Ever.
EVER.
New series of 24 is pretty good isn't it?
At the risk of wading into a very silly arguement, you don't look for flaws on real people the same way you would in that situation.
It's a case of larger than life.
In a feature film you don't want James Bond pausing in the middle of a stand off with SMERSH to say "Crap, I really need to take a leak, hold that thought".
And it'll be interesting to see if they dare to pull the same shit here.
Yes it wasn't announced for a UK launch at all.
Oh wait, yes it was.
And what YOU'RE not getting is I'm not American and my comment that apparently started all this was unsurprisingly based upon that fact.
Equally, would you still say Apple milk cost $2.99 if the refridgeration it required cost $10 a day compared to 18c for normal milk.
Also as I pointed out elsewhere, a PAYG N70 is £149.99, not $500-700.
And yes, you get screwed on PAYG, although that's irrelevent to my point, the average PAYG here might have those prices but only for outgoing calls and there's no minute expiry or ongoing cost so long as you make any call once every 6 months.
Those are reasonably standard PAYG rates apart from the minimum deposit. The equivilent here has no minimum except "Make a call every 6 months".
Fwiw, you can get a PAYG N70 for £149, that's a pretty good 3g smartphone. The market here is going to be significently harder for a phone that'll be £400 + a very restrictive contract and isn't 3G.
The article has it right, the posting says "From this week" not "From last week"
How can you conclude the answer is no when in week 2 (despite the headline) of the new rules a band is doing it.
It's also misleading because even the old rules allowed a single to enter a week in advance if there was a single to be released. Gnarls Barkley entered at #1 on download sales alone LAST YEAR.
So where's the no?
The rules started last week.
Several singles whose CDs are not on sale anymore cracked the top 75 including "Mad World" from Donny Darko, a former number 1 which is now used in the Gears of War ad which at #58 made its first chart appearence for 3 years.
Well not quite. Because all computers need that power. Broadly speaking any PC you buy or own will use a very similar amount of power.
However, phones with pay as you go service are plentiful. Not every cell phone service costs $60 a month. I'm paying $20 on a contract myself with my Nokia 6630 (which is at least a 3g smartphone). It's more than possible to buy said Nokia for maybe £200 and just connect it to Tesco mobile and pay very little.
The point here is it appears you're being forced into a contract with a minimum of $40 a month (to be very charitable) and I don't see why you can't then include that as a cost when your alternatives do not come with that.
Read my other post if you like. I'm clearly neither.
You simply haven't considered the concept of PAYG service. If you can get a 3G smartphone with a camera for £4.99 plus mandatory £30 in call time buying then It's absolutely legit to include the price of a forced contract.
The only bit I missed is the $175. It'll be interesting to see if anyone tries it.
Does PAYG not exist in the US or something?
I can buy a mobile for as little as £20 from the supermarket and just pay for my calls on it. The minimum is often pretty teeny, like less than £20 a year.
Here for instance.. Cheapest phone is £29.99 with £20 in free calls. It's not an Apple iphone (of course) but it does mean it's entirely legit to include the cost of a forced contract in the phone price.
Hell you can get a 3g Video mobile with a camera for £34.99 including £30 in free calls from here.
If a phone is only available on contract it's not "scaremongering" to include the contract in the price. I accept things may be different in the US.
Service can be had for maybe $20/year in the UK if you already have a phone.
The $40 phone I can buy from the supermarket without contract is a $40 phone. At least in the UK, pay as you go is actually bigger than contract in terms of market share.
If a phone is only available with a contract then you have to include the price of the cheapest possible phone as the price.
As for $1500 for a standard 1 year agreement I don't quite get that. My last 1 year contract with a Nokia 6630 worked out to £8.99 a month with rebates.
Give me a source for any price without service. They didn't announce one.
It's $2000 because it's $599 + 24 months at (most likely) $60odd.
There IS no discount for 2 year commitment. $599 is WITH a 2 year commitment.
But yeah thanks for calling me a troll when clearly you've done zero research yourself.