That was at times contradictory and at others, incoherent i think.
Your challenge is to "move to iran" if we complain? Why? Because we should shut the fuck up and take what we can get and be happy? No.
I also question your various claims about the intent of the constitution with regards to separation of church and state. There are some choice quotes from the time period from various figures involved in the forming of the U.S government who hint and in fact come out and say that there was an intent to keep church and state separate, and that it is reflected if not outright stated in the first amendment.
Our meddling is the reason for their current situation. I would encourage you to read up on the events that brought about the Iranian revolution for starters.
That country is something WE ALREADY FUCKED UP. Perhaps it's our responsibility to fix it.
Those things you mentioned are all hardware. It has been the position of the FSF that software should be free of cost in part because it can be reproduced for next to nothing. Their website even specifically states that if you charge for GPL software you can expect your customers to give it away for free.
So yea, the FSF has this hang up about charging for software as a business model.
Yes, I'm just saying their business model is quite different so they have to charge for something somewhere. Xandros actually charges for software, most of them charge for support and give the software away for free. RHEL is 100% GPL as far as i know, but some Xandros stuff isn't GPL or even open source, so they can literally prevent people from giving it away like you can with RHEL (centos).
They have to charge for something, they are using direct financial income to support the development they do. They do in fact write some code for their distro, though i can't remember what it was at the moment.
This situation is perhaps similar to torrents. A torrent isn't the real data but does "refer" to it in a way similar to how the "key" in this filesystem refers to the actual pieces needed to reconstruct the file, even though those pieces aren't unique.
One could even say that the "key" in this case is even closer to the real data than a torrent.
Jesus you're a moron, i never said anything about socialism, nor did i say various services don't exist.
I said dialup isn't relevant anymore and satellite is in fact too delayed to be useful, despite the fact that you claim latency doesn't matter, it fucking does.
"As to DSL providers sucking, exactly what is your bitch against them, as well? Again, I don't have a problem with mine, consistently get a meg and a half throughput downstream and 384K upstream"
You answer your own fucking questions....you are defending these morons who are completely anti-competitive while you are perfectly happy with a 1.5m/384k line. This is fucking 2008, thats ridiculous.
Stop fucking pretending this is some kind of socialistic movement, i specifically told you they should be forced to RENT the lines at fair market prices, that means profit you moron. The only reason NOT to do so is to prevent competition, there is NO OTHER REASON to exclude anyone else from using the lines but to lock an area into your business and the services it provides.
Overselling bandwidth is necessary, its called statistical multiplexing.
Capping transfer per month at ridiculously low levels is not necessary though, they get plenty of money to pay for what people use, and lets face it, this is a quasi-socialist ISP environment, people who barely use their connections are paying for those who use the connection all the time.
Might not be fair, but the ISPs have nothing to complain about, they have been taking peoples money without having to provide much in return to most of them for a long, long time.
You turned this into a rant against open source in only a few posts. Nice.
First, most of the coax and copper rolled out was put in place a LONG time ago, and the costs for doing so have been recovered many times over by the owner. Second, there was a rule that phone companies had to at least lease the lines at fair prices to other providers, not free as you tried to slip in to the argument, but fair competitive prices so that the line owner was compensated while still allowing for competition. That is gone now and what everyone knew would happen, did. There is one DSL provider in most areas if not all areas, and they ALL FUCKING SUCK.
Competition between classes is not a solution, nether is dial-up so don't even try to pretend its relevant anymore, and satellite has ~800ms latency which is not acceptable, not to mention its ALSO slower than DSL anyway. You can pretend latency doesn't matter but it shows you are being short sighted, try working on a remote server with SSH and tell me 1 second latency doesn't matter.
In many areas the local government has granted specific companies exclusive rights to operate coax runs, that's a monopoly on cable internet service in that specific area, no other company can come in and offer cable internet service. The same is true of DSL, whoever owns the lines can jack up prices and neglect to upgrade their network, and they do.
The effect is that you don't have true competition, in any given area you have at most 2-3 competitors between classes of service, and its obviously not enough. You can claim there is no monopoly on "internet service" but that's not the point, there are still damaging effects on the market.
An example, Comcast is only rolling out DOCSIS3 in areas where FiOS is a threat, and Verizon is only rolling out FiOS in areas where other services are a threat. If they were forced to compete with other providers for the same service type they wouldn't be playing these fucking games.
You list 6 basic *nix commands and therefor claim the platforms are identical? Are you retarded?
Contrary to your claim, most security issues occur in parts of the system that handle data for other programs, like system libraries, services, the kernel itself. Things that are usually quite different between platforms like i pointed out before.
An exploit targeting a windows library to handle jpeg data is worthless against a Linux machine. And as in this specific case, an Applescript is completely worthless against Linux, I'm not there's a way to run Applescripts on Linux even with significant effort, certainly it goes way beyond "click this poker game!", you'd have to manually install all sorts of stuff if its even available at all.
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Iran had a legitimate democratically elected government at one point and we interfered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
So yea, they are partially to blame but so are we.
That was at times contradictory and at others, incoherent i think.
Your challenge is to "move to iran" if we complain? Why? Because we should shut the fuck up and take what we can get and be happy? No.
I also question your various claims about the intent of the constitution with regards to separation of church and state. There are some choice quotes from the time period from various figures involved in the forming of the U.S government who hint and in fact come out and say that there was an intent to keep church and state separate, and that it is reflected if not outright stated in the first amendment.
Our meddling is the reason for their current situation. I would encourage you to read up on the events that brought about the Iranian revolution for starters.
That country is something WE ALREADY FUCKED UP. Perhaps it's our responsibility to fix it.
Those things you mentioned are all hardware. It has been the position of the FSF that software should be free of cost in part because it can be reproduced for next to nothing. Their website even specifically states that if you charge for GPL software you can expect your customers to give it away for free.
So yea, the FSF has this hang up about charging for software as a business model.
I lol'd, then i ate some crackers. Now I'm tired.
Actually in the U.S, justice is a whore, she fucks the highest bidder.
I beat all of you, my ICQ consists entirely of the batman symbol and the symbol for the artist formerly known as prince, alternating.
Yes, I'm just saying their business model is quite different so they have to charge for something somewhere. Xandros actually charges for software, most of them charge for support and give the software away for free. RHEL is 100% GPL as far as i know, but some Xandros stuff isn't GPL or even open source, so they can literally prevent people from giving it away like you can with RHEL (centos).
Its got more than that, there are some refinements they did to their system that make it easier to use.
They have to charge for something, they are using direct financial income to support the development they do. They do in fact write some code for their distro, though i can't remember what it was at the moment.
This situation is perhaps similar to torrents. A torrent isn't the real data but does "refer" to it in a way similar to how the "key" in this filesystem refers to the actual pieces needed to reconstruct the file, even though those pieces aren't unique.
One could even say that the "key" in this case is even closer to the real data than a torrent.
hmmmmm.....under the third seashell!
No? Fuck i hate this game.
Well, in some cases its to protect DRM systems, like TiVo.
Probably similar problems with phones, they have to lock phones to a provider somehow with the ones that are subsidized.
Or, you know, two modes....
Well, that was a very fuckusanct thing to say wasn't it...
Jesus you're a moron, i never said anything about socialism, nor did i say various services don't exist.
I said dialup isn't relevant anymore and satellite is in fact too delayed to be useful, despite the fact that you claim latency doesn't matter, it fucking does.
"As to DSL providers sucking, exactly what is your bitch against them, as well? Again, I don't have a problem with mine, consistently get a meg and a half throughput downstream and 384K upstream"
You answer your own fucking questions....you are defending these morons who are completely anti-competitive while you are perfectly happy with a 1.5m/384k line. This is fucking 2008, thats ridiculous.
Stop fucking pretending this is some kind of socialistic movement, i specifically told you they should be forced to RENT the lines at fair market prices, that means profit you moron. The only reason NOT to do so is to prevent competition, there is NO OTHER REASON to exclude anyone else from using the lines but to lock an area into your business and the services it provides.
Yes, this private one is working perfectly fine isn't it.
Overselling bandwidth is necessary, its called statistical multiplexing.
Capping transfer per month at ridiculously low levels is not necessary though, they get plenty of money to pay for what people use, and lets face it, this is a quasi-socialist ISP environment, people who barely use their connections are paying for those who use the connection all the time.
Might not be fair, but the ISPs have nothing to complain about, they have been taking peoples money without having to provide much in return to most of them for a long, long time.
Microsoft can't even do that themselves...
You turned this into a rant against open source in only a few posts. Nice.
First, most of the coax and copper rolled out was put in place a LONG time ago, and the costs for doing so have been recovered many times over by the owner. Second, there was a rule that phone companies had to at least lease the lines at fair prices to other providers, not free as you tried to slip in to the argument, but fair competitive prices so that the line owner was compensated while still allowing for competition. That is gone now and what everyone knew would happen, did. There is one DSL provider in most areas if not all areas, and they ALL FUCKING SUCK.
Competition between classes is not a solution, nether is dial-up so don't even try to pretend its relevant anymore, and satellite has ~800ms latency which is not acceptable, not to mention its ALSO slower than DSL anyway. You can pretend latency doesn't matter but it shows you are being short sighted, try working on a remote server with SSH and tell me 1 second latency doesn't matter.
In many areas the local government has granted specific companies exclusive rights to operate coax runs, that's a monopoly on cable internet service in that specific area, no other company can come in and offer cable internet service. The same is true of DSL, whoever owns the lines can jack up prices and neglect to upgrade their network, and they do.
The effect is that you don't have true competition, in any given area you have at most 2-3 competitors between classes of service, and its obviously not enough. You can claim there is no monopoly on "internet service" but that's not the point, there are still damaging effects on the market.
An example, Comcast is only rolling out DOCSIS3 in areas where FiOS is a threat, and Verizon is only rolling out FiOS in areas where other services are a threat. If they were forced to compete with other providers for the same service type they wouldn't be playing these fucking games.
You list 6 basic *nix commands and therefor claim the platforms are identical? Are you retarded?
Contrary to your claim, most security issues occur in parts of the system that handle data for other programs, like system libraries, services, the kernel itself. Things that are usually quite different between platforms like i pointed out before.
An exploit targeting a windows library to handle jpeg data is worthless against a Linux machine. And as in this specific case, an Applescript is completely worthless against Linux, I'm not there's a way to run Applescripts on Linux even with significant effort, certainly it goes way beyond "click this poker game!", you'd have to manually install all sorts of stuff if its even available at all.
Choosing between cable, dsl, or satellite, or dial-up, and pretending this is competition is ridiculous.
This is like claiming only Ford cars can drive on the main roads in certain cities, and Toyotas must grow wings and fly instead.
If ISPs are going to keep their de facto monopoly status, they should be prevented from doing anything buy carry data, by legal means if necessary.