Perhaps if they would get off their ass and do something about the non-competition in the market they wouldn't be having to go out of their way to find poor solutions.
The Linux kernel (as in, what comes with the source) is bloated because a lot of the code that runs in kernelspace on a linux machine COMES with the kernel, this is not the case on other OS, such as OS X and its XNU kernel. If you grab the XNU source from Apple it contains probably less than 50% of what ends up actually running in the kernel space.
This isn't a bad thing, it just means a lot of the code running in kernel space is open source and is distributed together.
As for stability, Linux is one of the most stable systems I've used, especially for web services.
I don't even have a Wii, i was speaking in general, usually when these platforms get locked down its not for stability reasons, its to stop backups from playing.
I don't believe what you just said represents 2 mutually exclusive paths, things can be open and stable at the same time.
Your lowest common denominator consumer isn't going to be screwing with the system, so the fact that its open and not locked doesn't affect them, certainly it won't suddenly make their system unstable, remember most people don't hack around in these things.
The real push here is to prevent any perceived piracy risk by preventing backups from playing.
It would be fine if they were happy just coming in under their networks limits, but they aren't happy with just that. They want to charge people more despite the fact that their networks aren't maxed at the moment.
For large providers, once they pay for the equipment and maintenance, there is zero cost increase as network use rises, the cost comes in upgrading that network to keep the ceiling high enough, which they either aren't doing or don't want anyone to know about, so they can claim they are being maxed and then charge people more:D
I just think, as you noted, they are cheap and do it too much, and they bitch and complain about heavy users because they want to find new ways to extract money from their networks.
Its more like selling access to the keg, telling everyone they can drink the whole thing, and expecting everyone to blackout before they notice its gone
You know, most commercial printers also happen to support OS X as well as Windows, and OS X uses CUPS, but its likely that some of them still use nonstandard drivers on OS X too.
Although, Apple does bundle drivers for most major printers on the install CD for Leopard, perhaps those are proprietary and not postscript?
Win by what end date? Deb and RPM have been around for years now.
What you are suggesting is that rational people will see one as better and switch. That doesn't happen. People aren't rational in choosing a linux distro most of the time.
There isn't even enough difference between most of them to justify their existence, and yet they continue on because a sufficient number of people use the one they love and refuse to entertain the idea that something else might be better.
What do you mean? Like bundling a web browser? bundling IDE tools? I'm not sure thats anti-trust territory anymore, the case against MS got dropped by the bush admin when they took office.
If anything I could make a better case that Apple violates anti-trust law by tying products together, like refusing to allow boxed OSX to run on anything but apple branded hardware, ESPECIALLY when that hardware isn't much different from a regular PC.
If you mean Apple including stuff in the OS, certain things are the responsibility of the OS now in 2008, it shouldn't be necessary to download 40 different little apps to do minor stuff, especially if those apps aren't free.
Apple fan boy? I'm presenting rational arguments for what I say.
I didn't say MS doesn't support their products, I'm well aware of Microsofts timelines for supporting their operating systems, and I've been using MS stuff for 15+ years now, so lets not pretend I'm somehow biased.
"But you pay for the development when you buy the product"
You completely ignored what i said, i specifically made the point that MS users pay less than $50 and then expect 13 (in your words) years of support and all sorts of free shit.
My observation is that while Apple charges significantly more for their operating system upgrades they seem to be doing more with them, and upgrading on a constant schedule. Microsoft barely ships operating systems on time at this point, and when they do ship they lack almost everything that was supposed to be cool about them.
If anything your pissed at Apple and labeling me as a fanboy to explain your bias.
Yea apple spent most of the 90s with poor products and incompetent management. I never said anything about the older OS 7/8/9.
For what its worth Microsoft did the same thing before they started using NT for all their operating systems.
I know you'd like to believe you have a point but you really don't even with the free downloads stuff, Microsoft hasn't really improved XP since SP2 came out and that was only because they had to. The stuff you can download from MS.com is minor insignificant crap like powertoys and Windows destkop search (which is horrible).
They would probably claim that the ads support the channels and their owners even though people also pay for those channels to some degree. That side of things is probably somewhat separate from the business of broadcasting the signals to the satellite and then down etc.
The service fees for DirecTV I imagine go mostly toward maintaining the infrastructure needed to broadcast from space, I mean they own their own satellites don't they? That's gotta be expensive
I think the entire thing has become inflated, they make horrible shows and waste money all over the place while shoving 20 minutes of ads into a 60 minute show timeslot.
Anyway its not gonna change any time soon i think, when DirecTV started out, IP over satellite wasn't possible, the only thing they could do was broadcast everything at once and try to protect the stream with encryption. So they are stuck maintaining that system for the moment and Tivo had to play into it when they released the DirecTivo.
Now, cablecard and the TivoHD are another story, they could easily move to IPTV and drop all this crap but its really about control for them anymore, they want to do way more than just prevent service theft.
Your timelines are screwy, and Microsoft is not generously giving away new features as you suggest.
Microsoft fucked up Longhorns development so bad they took 6 years to release it, that's why they had to release SP2 in 2004 with new features. Rest assured if they had a new platform to release at the time, they would have made you pay for it too, and they did exactly that when Vista came around *6 years* after XP was released.
Apple doesn't make anyone pay for bugfixes, they are still supporting OS X 10.3 for free which is quite old at this point. Yes Apple makes people pay for new features, that's how they fund new development of their platform. You have a problem with them being rewarded for their effort? They should just continue to spend significant development time and resources giving away new versions of software simply because you bought a Mac 7 years ago? Microsoft doesn't even remotely do what you are suggesting, they don't give away new features for free. They release bugfixes as they should, and security patches. As i said before SP2 was not just a free functionality update, it corrected massive flaws in Windows and was necessary because Longhorn wasn't even close to being ready.
Watching Apple leapfrog Microsoft in usability and functionality over and over makes me think perhaps these advances are related to the fact that they are actually being paid to improve things over time, while the majority of Windows users paid less than $50 over the entire course of XPs lifetime, all at once.
So yea if you want to make a value assessment, i can see why Apple charges for significant platform upgrades with entirely new features. I don't however see Microsoft even significantly upgrading their own platform at all, even with paid upgrades like Vista.
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Thats a stretch, the APIs are completely different, as are most of the system services, the way the kernel works. In fact, most of it is different.
Perhaps if they would get off their ass and do something about the non-competition in the market they wouldn't be having to go out of their way to find poor solutions.
Competition between classes isn't competition.
DirectX is the real problem there i suppose.
If that was a troll it wasn't even a good one.
The Linux kernel (as in, what comes with the source) is bloated because a lot of the code that runs in kernelspace on a linux machine COMES with the kernel, this is not the case on other OS, such as OS X and its XNU kernel. If you grab the XNU source from Apple it contains probably less than 50% of what ends up actually running in the kernel space.
This isn't a bad thing, it just means a lot of the code running in kernel space is open source and is distributed together.
As for stability, Linux is one of the most stable systems I've used, especially for web services.
I found Googles Gspot, it was hidden behind some foliage and server wires.
I don't even have a Wii, i was speaking in general, usually when these platforms get locked down its not for stability reasons, its to stop backups from playing.
I don't believe what you just said represents 2 mutually exclusive paths, things can be open and stable at the same time.
Your lowest common denominator consumer isn't going to be screwing with the system, so the fact that its open and not locked doesn't affect them, certainly it won't suddenly make their system unstable, remember most people don't hack around in these things.
The real push here is to prevent any perceived piracy risk by preventing backups from playing.
It would be fine if they were happy just coming in under their networks limits, but they aren't happy with just that. They want to charge people more despite the fact that their networks aren't maxed at the moment.
For large providers, once they pay for the equipment and maintenance, there is zero cost increase as network use rises, the cost comes in upgrading that network to keep the ceiling high enough, which they either aren't doing or don't want anyone to know about, so they can claim they are being maxed and then charge people more :D
Oh i know, its called statistical multiplexing :D
I just think, as you noted, they are cheap and do it too much, and they bitch and complain about heavy users because they want to find new ways to extract money from their networks.
Aren't you going to end up with a large number of dead TCP connections still going? You're blocking ALL RST, right? not just the fake ones?
"As part of my job, I've seen the penises of a number of these men"
Hmmm, what job entails genital examination of your superiors?
Its more like selling access to the keg, telling everyone they can drink the whole thing, and expecting everyone to blackout before they notice its gone
Who cares? It's called publicity and they got it.
It's section 37, right below the part about defacing pictures of the poor, innocent GNU in its natural habitat.
You know, most commercial printers also happen to support OS X as well as Windows, and OS X uses CUPS, but its likely that some of them still use nonstandard drivers on OS X too.
Although, Apple does bundle drivers for most major printers on the install CD for Leopard, perhaps those are proprietary and not postscript?
Win by what end date? Deb and RPM have been around for years now.
What you are suggesting is that rational people will see one as better and switch. That doesn't happen. People aren't rational in choosing a linux distro most of the time.
There isn't even enough difference between most of them to justify their existence, and yet they continue on because a sufficient number of people use the one they love and refuse to entertain the idea that something else might be better.
Sure i can try, but you have to put these clamps on first....
Sure, you can sue anything with nipples
It goes great with vintage Windows apps.
Oh, and bread.
What do you mean? Like bundling a web browser? bundling IDE tools? I'm not sure thats anti-trust territory anymore, the case against MS got dropped by the bush admin when they took office.
If anything I could make a better case that Apple violates anti-trust law by tying products together, like refusing to allow boxed OSX to run on anything but apple branded hardware, ESPECIALLY when that hardware isn't much different from a regular PC.
If you mean Apple including stuff in the OS, certain things are the responsibility of the OS now in 2008, it shouldn't be necessary to download 40 different little apps to do minor stuff, especially if those apps aren't free.
Apple fan boy? I'm presenting rational arguments for what I say.
I didn't say MS doesn't support their products, I'm well aware of Microsofts timelines for supporting their operating systems, and I've been using MS stuff for 15+ years now, so lets not pretend I'm somehow biased.
"But you pay for the development when you buy the product"
You completely ignored what i said, i specifically made the point that MS users pay less than $50 and then expect 13 (in your words) years of support and all sorts of free shit.
My observation is that while Apple charges significantly more for their operating system upgrades they seem to be doing more with them, and upgrading on a constant schedule. Microsoft barely ships operating systems on time at this point, and when they do ship they lack almost everything that was supposed to be cool about them.
If anything your pissed at Apple and labeling me as a fanboy to explain your bias.
Yea apple spent most of the 90s with poor products and incompetent management. I never said anything about the older OS 7/8/9.
For what its worth Microsoft did the same thing before they started using NT for all their operating systems.
I know you'd like to believe you have a point but you really don't even with the free downloads stuff, Microsoft hasn't really improved XP since SP2 came out and that was only because they had to. The stuff you can download from MS.com is minor insignificant crap like powertoys and Windows destkop search (which is horrible).
They would probably claim that the ads support the channels and their owners even though people also pay for those channels to some degree. That side of things is probably somewhat separate from the business of broadcasting the signals to the satellite and then down etc.
:D
The service fees for DirecTV I imagine go mostly toward maintaining the infrastructure needed to broadcast from space, I mean they own their own satellites don't they? That's gotta be expensive
I think the entire thing has become inflated, they make horrible shows and waste money all over the place while shoving 20 minutes of ads into a 60 minute show timeslot.
Anyway its not gonna change any time soon i think, when DirecTV started out, IP over satellite wasn't possible, the only thing they could do was broadcast everything at once and try to protect the stream with encryption. So they are stuck maintaining that system for the moment and Tivo had to play into it when they released the DirecTivo.
Now, cablecard and the TivoHD are another story, they could easily move to IPTV and drop all this crap but its really about control for them anymore, they want to do way more than just prevent service theft.
I do get your point about the ATI driver though
Your timelines are screwy, and Microsoft is not generously giving away new features as you suggest.
Microsoft fucked up Longhorns development so bad they took 6 years to release it, that's why they had to release SP2 in 2004 with new features. Rest assured if they had a new platform to release at the time, they would have made you pay for it too, and they did exactly that when Vista came around *6 years* after XP was released.
Apple doesn't make anyone pay for bugfixes, they are still supporting OS X 10.3 for free which is quite old at this point. Yes Apple makes people pay for new features, that's how they fund new development of their platform. You have a problem with them being rewarded for their effort? They should just continue to spend significant development time and resources giving away new versions of software simply because you bought a Mac 7 years ago? Microsoft doesn't even remotely do what you are suggesting, they don't give away new features for free. They release bugfixes as they should, and security patches. As i said before SP2 was not just a free functionality update, it corrected massive flaws in Windows and was necessary because Longhorn wasn't even close to being ready.
Watching Apple leapfrog Microsoft in usability and functionality over and over makes me think perhaps these advances are related to the fact that they are actually being paid to improve things over time, while the majority of Windows users paid less than $50 over the entire course of XPs lifetime, all at once.
So yea if you want to make a value assessment, i can see why Apple charges for significant platform upgrades with entirely new features. I don't however see Microsoft even significantly upgrading their own platform at all, even with paid upgrades like Vista.
Yea i know, if sproutcore can't do what people seem to think it will then theres a problem, but it appears to be a reasonable way of doing things.
I think well defined standards implemented by the browser might be a better approach than binary apps running in a plugin.
By the way, JDs post is not a troll.