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Xandros Reportedly Buys Out Linspire

2muchcoffeeman writes "Former Linspire president and CEO Kevin Carmony — whose relationship with his former employer has turned acrimonious, to say the least — reported on his blog that Xandros and Linspire signed an agreement in principle for Xandros to buy Linspire June 19. Carmony includes a scan of the memo to Linspire shareholders announcing the deal, which requires the former Linspire company to change its name. According to the memo, the stockholders voted to change the company's name to Digital Cornerstone, Inc. Despite the wording of the Linspire memo to stockholders, this deal apparently came as a surprise to Carmony and other stockholders. Some here may remember that both Xandros and Linspire signed patent protection deals with Microsoft in 2007."

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  1. Obscure stuff by clang_jangle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From the eweek link:

    #97 Kevin Carmony - Linspire/Freespire
    Guiding Linux distribution to be among the most popular on the desktop.


    I think Linspire users must be as rare as hen's teeth, I've certainly never even heard of a single person using it, other than the guy who reviewed it for distrowatch. Same goes for Xandros. though I did download that one once to check it out with a windows-stranded friend in mind, but saw no advantage over Ubuntu.
    Come to think of it, who the heck is eweek?

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    1. Re:Obscure stuff by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good points, but Xandros is the default Linux distro for the Asus EEE PC. I'd expect a sudden boost in popularity just from that.

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    2. Re:Obscure stuff by Internet_Communist · · Score: 1

      heh, pretty much exactly what i was thinking too. I don't think anyone in their right mind uses linspire. Don't they charge just to use their repository? what's the point when there's a ton of free alternatives which are likely just as good if not better.

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    3. Re:Obscure stuff by Dice · · Score: 5, Informative

      Come to think of it, who the heck is eweek?

      They're one of those shitty "tech magazines". PC World, Network World, CIO Mag, all trash magazines that you can basically pick up for free in those little magazine racks that nobody pays attention to in computer stores. The magazines are 75% ads and 25% ads masquerading as articles.

    4. Re:Obscure stuff by jonah82 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seeing as Xandros is the default eeepc distro I'm guessing quite a lot of people are using it. As to why asus decided on it, that, I agree is perplexing.

    5. Re:Obscure stuff by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      They have to charge for something, they are using direct financial income to support the development they do. They do in fact write some code for their distro, though i can't remember what it was at the moment.

    6. Re:Obscure stuff by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      I bought Linspire 5.0 but did not upgrade to Linspire 6.0 and I went to Fedora and Ubuntu instead. I went to Ubuntu after Linspire started to be based on Ubuntu.

      Linspire had a Freespire version which was like Linspire but had all of the commercial code and software removed and nothing but GPLed software for critics of Linspire that said it was too commercial and because it cost $50 it was not true Linux unless it was given away free. Freespire was the core of Linspire just like Darwin is the core of Mac OSX.

      But I guess all Linspire users will be given an option to upgrade to Xandros at a discount, I guess? Too late I moved on to Ubuntu.

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    7. Re:Obscure stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xandros is the default Linux distro for the Asus EEE PC


      Why? Is there a compelling advantage to Xandros for Asus? Does Lindros pay them to do it, and/or offers technical assitance to make sure the distro's a good preconfigured fit for the hardware? Does the deal curry any favour with Microsoft? They may not have figured out the 'extinguish' yet, but this would be an early foothold of an 'embrace' by getting a collaboration partner distro or two become representational faces of Linux.

    8. Re:Obscure stuff by setagllib · · Score: 0, Troll

      It could be because Xandros licenses patents from Microsoft that are necessary for functionality average end users expect, so it can be provided by default, out of the box, unlike on Ubuntu. I vastly prefer Ubuntu anyway, as someone who never uses anything out of the box.

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    9. Re:Obscure stuff by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      And... Red Hat doesn't pay developers to work on RHEL/Fedora and Fedora is a free as in speech and beer distro. And doesn't Canonical pay developers to improve Ubuntu even when it is a free as in speech and beer distro?

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    10. Re:Obscure stuff by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm just saying their business model is quite different so they have to charge for something somewhere. Xandros actually charges for software, most of them charge for support and give the software away for free. RHEL is 100% GPL as far as i know, but some Xandros stuff isn't GPL or even open source, so they can literally prevent people from giving it away like you can with RHEL (centos).

    11. Re:Obscure stuff by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My first home server ran Xandros. After a failed attempt many years ago with Redhat, then a half-way working attempt with Debian, I found Xandros (2.0 at the time, I think) to be something that "just worked". I kept that server running for a few years, before I switched to Ubuntu.

      At the time it was $99 well spent, since it made Linux work for a non-user, hardware engineer. Since then Ubuntu (and OpenOffice) have filled that gap well and it's just not necessary to buy a distribution for those benefits.

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    12. Re:Obscure stuff by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Well,I can tell you I have been very happily running Xandros Business on my laptop since Xandros 3(currently at 4.1) and I can tell you that if you need to interface Windows networks,especially with AD or Exchange,you really can't go wrong with it. And from what I have read on the forums the only reason that Xandros signed that deal with MSFT was because MSFT refused to give them the code for the AD/Exchange APIs they had to have for interoperability. Considering that Xandros is for mixed business networks and that Xandros server was designed to be dropped right into a Windows AD forest and inter-operate, without access to those APIs they would have been toast.


      As it is it really does make a nice drop in replacement for a business desktop on a Windows network,and even comes with Crossover Office so your major Windows apps will run. As it is I am quite happy with its performance and ability to get me on different SMB AD networks that I am called in to work on without hassle. When I am out on a job I don't have to twiddle with the CLI,and for me Xandros just gets the job done reliably. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

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    13. Re:Obscure stuff by Sleepy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Xandros? I used it, and installed it for like 5 people.

      That was, of course, WAYY back when it was "Corel Linux", an innovative desktop for sure (and yes, they fell behind because they forked KDE... but man it was SO COOL being able to resize your display rez without restarting X... yes, Linux was THAT bad back then).

      The other distros were all neat back when Red Hat was IGNORING the desktop. They still are, but Ubuntu has steamrolled and consolidated this space... and deservedly so!

    14. Re:Obscure stuff by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      And? RedHat charges a lot for its distro, and Ubuntu has a millionaire to pay the bills.

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    15. Re:Obscure stuff by JohnBailey · · Score: 1

      I think Linspire users must be as rare as hen's teeth, I've certainly never even heard of a single person using it, other than the guy who reviewed it for distrowatch. Same goes for Xandros. though I did download that one once to check it out with a windows-stranded friend in mind, but saw no advantage over Ubuntu.

      I think it was meant as a half way house between Windows and Linux. So good for transitioning, but not really something that is for long term use. I know one person who used to use it, but she jumped ship around the time of the Microsoft deal, and is using Ubuntu on one of the Dell laptops last I heard.

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    16. Re:Obscure stuff by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I think you are mistaken about the API necessities. Contemporary versions of Samba, Kerberos, and LDAP work quite nicely with Active Directory integration. Additional API's might be desirable to replace Active Directory _servers_, and the Samba team is having understandable difficulty getting all the details right for Samba 4.0. But keeping Microsoft's alleged but undocumented and unrevealed patents away from your investors could easily be worth signing such an agreement to a company that just wants to sell their products, and is willing to leave the ethical andn legal burdens of protecting Linux to the rest of us.

      Crossover Office is handy, but I've never found it to be more than 95% effective. Perhaps this API cooperation with Microsoft is more centered on MS Office? That's a vastly more complex, ill-documented, and difficult to integrate API than network integration itself.

    17. Re:Obscure stuff by hairyfeet · · Score: 1
      Well,from what i read a lot of the trouble came from AD and Exchange server and their protocols,as the Xandros team was trying to make Xandros server work both as a member server AND as a domain controller in an AD forest,depending on the needs of the client. And from what I understood the really stickler was getting it to run seamlessly. After all,we are talking about a server,which is something you need to run rock solid 24/7/365 and can't just reboot it because AD and Exchange have stopped playing nice. Add on top of that the integration of Scalix for integration of group calendar and messaging functions, and trying to get all that to work reliably,and you can see where access to the APIs could be the difference between success and failure. And folks seem to forget this was done a good while before the EU decision that opened up the protocols,and before that it was pretty much MSFT voodoo that could be changed at anytime.


      Would I have made the same decision? I don't know,as I don't know how much luck they were having with integration. But that is one of the great things about Open Source,we can all do things differently. For those that want nothing but free,there is distros like Gnusense. For those that want free as in beer and don't like the MSFT deal,there is Ubuntu and many others. And for someone like me who needs to be able to walk into an AD network and have things just work,there is Xandros. Everyone can choose what works for them. And as always this is my 02c(free in every way),YMMV

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    18. Re:Obscure stuff by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      It could be because Xandros licenses patents from Microsoft that are necessary for functionality average end users expect, so it can be provided by default, out of the box, unlike on Ubuntu.

      What exactly does Xandros offer out of the box that Ubuntu doesn't that also requires a patent license from Microsoft? I'm genuinely curious.

    19. Re:Obscure stuff by cbart387 · · Score: 1

      > RHEL is 100% GPL as far as i know

      It must certainly is. Without Redhat we wouldn't have CentOS. CentOS is built from Redhat's source with all the trademarking removed. http://www.centos.org/

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    20. Re:Obscure stuff by NickFortune · · Score: 1

      And? RedHat charges a lot for its distro

      Strictly, RedHat charges for the support contract that goes with the software (and also you get Red Hat branding, for those who care about such things).

      If all you want is the software, you can get that for free, with RedHat's blessing. CentOS would be

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    21. Re:Obscure stuff by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Blue Screens of Death?

      Linspire came on some cheap desktops I picked up, but the very first action I took after plugging it in was to format the drive. But if I remember right, they were touting it as having some better / easy application installation......but Ubuntu isn't hard, either.

      Layne

    22. Re:Obscure stuff by setagllib · · Score: 1

      WMV, and things like that, from what I've heard. Don't quote me on that since I haven't tried it, which is why I said "could be".

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    23. Re:Obscure stuff by kniLnamiJ-neB · · Score: 1
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    24. Re:Obscure stuff by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Though I am a Slackware user and have been for years, Xandros does appear to be the best distro for the OOB experience FOR A DESKTOP. Not the best solution if you want to set up a server, router, firewall or such, but for a destkop Xandros really does make a lot of things easy.

      I have the Eee PC and have tried almost all the available distros (Debian, Eeedora, Puppeee, Breezy, Slaxeee (my favourite "other" Eee distro), Eeexubuntu...), with some of them I spent several days of serious work, but in the end, Xandros works the best. WLAN? Best choser, most mature and bug-free setup of all. 3G modem? Among the only distros to support devices like the Huawei and similar. Webcam, application add/remove for beginners, automount that works, good file browser (well integrated with the system!) etc. etc. Xandros ticks so many boxes, even the most rabid Slahsdotter SHOULD give it some credit.

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    25. Re:Obscure stuff by stm2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am former Linspire user, now I use Freespire.
      You can see a picture of me using Linspire here:
      http://www.linspire.com/lraiser_success.php?serial=318
      (rather old picture anyway).
      My main cmoputer iss an HP Pavilion dv 5000 laptop. Ubuntu prior 8.04 didn't recognize the wifi card (unless you do extensive hacking, to have a sub-standart result). With Freespire it works "out of the box" (using NDISwrapper). Everything work very easy, even easier than Ubuntu (my wife machine, a Sony VAIO VGN-CR220E, uses Ubuntu).
      But I tried the 8.04 liveCD in my HP and a wizard downloaded the driver for my wifi, so there is no need to keep on using Freespire, but I didn't found time to make the change, yet.
      CNR is a big selling point of Freespire/Linspire, but it will be available to Ubuntu AFAIK. (see http://www.cnr.com./
      Freespire were releasing several products every month at the beginning, but now they are somehow without to much activity.
      If you value your time, Linspire is not a bad choice.

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    26. Re:Obscure stuff by stm2 · · Score: 1

      Xandros has a filemanager that looks like the windows file explorer. I don't know if this is patented.

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    27. Re:Obscure stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu has a millionaire to pay the bills

      Billionaire, if you please. There's no need to make him seem penniless.

    28. Re:Obscure stuff by stm2 · · Score: 1

      In this screenshot I am using Freespire:
      http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen1jy9.jpg

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    29. Re:Obscure stuff by stm2 · · Score: 1
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    30. Re:Obscure stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, unfortunately, Xandros comes on the eeepc.

      The first real task upon getting the eeepc is to remove that out of date, proprietary, mess of a distribution,
      and install Ubuntu.

    31. Re:Obscure stuff by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      I know, but without paying you don't get the RH packages in the form of a usable distro. So in effect they charge for that, too, in a way.

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    32. Re:Obscure stuff by stm2 · · Score: 1

      Don't they charge just to use their repository?

      No, they don't. But they used to do it.

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    33. Re:Obscure stuff by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Oh, my. Replacing _Exchange_, and most especially its calendar functions, to interoperate well with MS Outlook, is like dancing with bears. It's amazingly that they'll dance at all with you, and you have to be very careful not to get stepped on or clawed.

      Active Directory's individual functions can generally be better handled in a more consistent, configurable, and manageable way by providing its individual services and not managing them through a GUI that doesn't even know how to configure what its own standards are designed to allow.

    34. Re:Obscure stuff by Cussin_IT · · Score: 1

      I've used it you insenstive clod!

      It was still called Lindows, and was my first tast of linux. I dual booted with windows 2000, untill I discovered Knoppix, and then real linux distros such as Debian, slackware, fedora and I've never looked back.

      I do tend to gravitate to Debian, posibly becuase it's what I've used at my last two jobs.

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    35. Re:Obscure stuff by nightcats · · Score: 1

      I've been in every flavor of Ubuntu since Hoary Hedgehog, and have played with Suse, Mandriva, Fedora, and MEPIS; but I had never used Xandros at all until my daughter asked for an ASUS eePC for her graduation present (a colored one, of course). It's pretty neat, both the machine and the OS, but I'll keep Texstar's amazing distro (PCLOS).

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    36. Re:Obscure stuff by cbart387 · · Score: 1

      I went to Ubuntu after Linspire started to be based on Ubuntu.

      Any plans to try out Debian then?

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  2. Used Freespire (And Lindows) by s0litaire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Never liked them much. Xandros is on the way out too. Only thing it has at the moment is that it's shipped on the Eee PC by default (apart from XP). But Given that people then stick their own flavour of Linux on an Eee (Like Ubuntu). Once the UMPC version of Ubuntu is release,d it might take over Xandros's place on the Eee PC's

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    1. Re:Used Freespire (And Lindows) by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      Its got more than that, there are some refinements they did to their system that make it easier to use.

    2. Re:Used Freespire (And Lindows) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right, but the shame of admitting to running ubuntu?

  3. Eee by wytcld · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ASUS EEE runs a derivative of Xandros, although Xandros sort of disowns it:

    Does Xandros Provide Support for the Eee PC?
    No. The Eee PC is an ASUS product and is solely supported by them, including Operating system issues. The Operating System on the Eee PC is not a Xandros Product. While Xandros may have aided in the development of the Eee PC OS, it is owned and supported by ASUS.

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    1. Re:Eee by Burz · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's good to know, because Xandros is one of the corps that signed a patent deal with MS while Steve Ballmer was threatening Linux users over supposed patent infringement.

      More than that is GPLv3, which only grandfathered in the deal with Novell. As time goes on and GPLv3 figures more largely in the typical Linux distro, the other corps who signed on with MS will be stuck in a hard place.

    2. Re:Eee by initialE · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      A pity that Asus doesn't provide a lot of good support, especially for the Linux wireless drivers for the built-in aetheros device (fyi my experience was that WPA wasn't working) - afaik it's either community support or nothing. Which is strange since both the distro and the hardware specs are clearly not unknowns.

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    3. Re:Eee by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I remember the days when PC magazine was a good magazine. It had reviews, technical howto articles and did decent reviews. I still remember the war between Windows and OS/2. As Microsoft became the only player in town, the magazine stopped being "PC magazine" and became "Windows magazine". Then it went all downhill.

    4. Re:Eee by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      Didn't know that! Well, be it Asus or Xandros, I find that they did a very good job here! Out of the EEE box, everything "just works". I never had so little problems with video and sound formats as on the EEE. If they only could sign a deal with Apple to get quicktime working flawlessly as well ;)

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    5. Re:Eee by ivucica · · Score: 0

      ...and the GPLv3 numbers seem to be stuck in a hard place too. I can't remember a prominent GPLv3 application that entered Debian that would be critical to me and without which I would not be able to use GNU/Linux. After all, any Windows switcher is used to reduced functionality... And if it would be necessary for some reason everyone could distribute and use older, GPLv2 versions of the software. It's sufficiently developed.

      Unless Linus for some reason changed his mind and tried to persuade other kernel developers to use GPLv3, I don't see how could companies get trapped in the GPLv3 world any time soon.

      That said, I'd like to point out that I like the idea of GPLv3 and that I'll probably license my software under it. And unless large development teams are somehow persuaded by rms to use GPLv3, well ... We might have a battle of epic proportions with M$ and its "partners" concerning patents etc.

    6. Re:Eee by Burz · · Score: 1

      I think that as DRM-whacked as people are becoming, they will tend to embrace, not avoid, the GPLv3 versions of software like SAMBA. Increasingly, people will just look stupid making a fuss over staying with outdated GPLv2 versions when they and their associates are wrestling with Son-Of-Plays-For-Sure media files, displays that don't want to work, etc.

      That, and FOSS apps tend to be feature-greedy and require the very latest in support packages (not so much Firefox or OOo, but all the other little apps that people find useful). It will only take a couple of new features to get people using the new stuff as soon as you can say 'apt-get update'.

      If there truly were a widespread reluctance to go with GPLv3 components, we would have seen a fork-and-replace putsch a'la XFree->Xorg long ago. No major distros care to, so I predict it won't happen.

    7. Re:Eee by ivucica · · Score: 0

      Yes, indeed, people will probably not avoid using GPLv3; but what about companies, which seem to be fostering a significant part of FOSS development? Will Ubuntu sign a deal with the devil some day, and try to remove all GPLv3 software in favor of GPLv2 or otherwise licensed software?

      Surely, a person would have to be mad to force himself/herself to use v2 over v3, but large companies are still more interested in profits than in freedoms.

  4. Name change idea by mrroot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Might I suggest... Lindows?

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    1. Re:Name change idea by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since I'm a Mandriva user, in the spirit of Mandrake + Connectiva = Mandriva, I vote for Xandros + Linspire = Xanspire. Or maybe Lindros, but I think that may give people a concussion.

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    2. Re:Name change idea by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Oh that's easy. You can file a bug report [here].

      (actually there is a bug in slashcode that will affect this thread - if GP ever changes his sig, all of his old messages will have their sigs changed too so this thread won't make any sense. I believe this is since /. does a realtime lookup rather than storing the sig in the message itself. )

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    3. Re:Name change idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      d00d, you got two "Reply To This" strings at the bottom of your post.

      d00d you're drunk

    4. Re:Name change idea by ya+really · · Score: 1

      d00d, you got two "Reply To This" strings at the bottom of your post.

      d00d you're drunk

      And it takes a "special" kind of drunk to use the wrong form of to

    5. Re:Name change idea by dedazo · · Score: 1

      Following the Madrake-Conectiva lead which gave the world the term "Mandriva", maybe they could name it Xanspire. Or Linsandros. Or maybe Spiredros? Drospire?

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    6. Re:Name change idea by ydrol · · Score: 1

      I vote for Xandros + Linspire = Xanspire. Or maybe Lindros, but I think that may give people a concussion.

      lxiannsdpriorse?

    7. Re:Name change idea by ydrol · · Score: 4, Funny

      lxiannsdpriorse

      Darn, domain is taken.

    8. Re:Name change idea by i_love_unix · · Score: 1

      What about Lindros?

    9. Re:Name change idea by mrroot · · Score: 1

      I don't get it, what are you guys talking about?

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    10. Re:Name change idea by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 1

      What about Lindros?

      Covered previously in the discussion. Besides, most people would wonder why a former NHL player is distributing Linux.

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    11. Re:Name change idea by nullchar · · Score: 1

      And it takes a "special" kind of drunk to use the wrong form of to

      I am drunk but I still have no idea what you are talking about. Clearly reply too this and reply two this are not the correct options.

      You're obviously too sober.

    12. Re:Name change idea by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Ooooh... Why you just- .... oooooh

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    13. Re:Name change idea by robbie_n · · Score: 1

      This is more like when Mandriva bought out Lycoris about six months after the Conectiva merger. They subsumed the whole of Lycoris and there was nothing left afterwards.

    14. Re:Name change idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xpire

    15. Re:Name change idea by dgbraun · · Score: 1

      Why not be cryptic and call it "Eric"

    16. Re:Name change idea by 1shooter · · Score: 1

      How about Xspire? Seems to fit.

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    17. Re:Name change idea by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 1

      Best reply on the entire topic. Thank you for giving me the best laugh I've had all week.

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    18. Re:Name change idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean so people will give it a concussion?

  5. Linspire was a pretty awful name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a made-up name, Linspire will not be missed, you couldn't say it without either smirking or looking away in disappointment. Maybe whoever came up with the name also decided that Mr. Carmony ("Karma" plus "Harmony") would be a good fit to run the company.

    Of course, a shell company non-name like "Digital Cornerstone" is ten times worse. It just conjures up images of scads of lawyers and finance people talking too loudly on their phones as they glance ostentatiously at their Movado watches.

    1. Re:Linspire was a pretty awful name by yomegaman · · Score: 1

      Xandros is no great shakes either. It sounds like some kind of phony aphrodisiac cologne advertised in Hustler.

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    2. Re:Linspire was a pretty awful name by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      It always reminds me of Xanadu.

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  6. Linspire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is the America online of Linux distrobutions. In other words, it's for people who don't know any better. The only difference is that it lacks a marketing department.

    1. Re:Linspire... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd agree, but no one knows about it in the first place. I have followed its development, only because Micheal Robertson's Micheal's minutes blog posts were so wrong they were funny. They required you to pay to use the beta that required you to run the system as root. That's so freaking sadistic, its hilarious.

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    2. Re:Linspire... by BigRedFed · · Score: 1

      And so ridiculously inaccurate it's even more hilarious since it's marked as informative.

    3. Re:Linspire... by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      No, that is accurate. The beta was only for preview members that plunked down $50 for it. And it required you to run as root.

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  7. Forrest Gump moment... by certain+death · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Stupid is as stupid does...and stuff!

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    1. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 1

      Life is like a box of Linux Distributions...

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    2. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... filled with an infinite series of choices.

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    3. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, there isn't yet a choice to (insert Linux complaint here). :)

      Time to get completely off-topic (well, almost, this IS the Linux section). Lets see, at the top of my list would be interoperability between Linux distros. I'd like a distro that was very compatible with cross-distro software package formats, so no matter what version I went to, I could always install the package, and so could others, even if they weren't using the same distro/version! Non-package-manager-hooking binaries don't count, I'm talking about packages which the manager recognizes, so I can easily remove the software later via the manager. Imagine having either a package format or a package container format standardized at some level or made compatible with managers, so you could actually share packages across the net, with OTHER distro users, and actually could install them, and Linux software could much more easily be shared! Mind-blowing, I know.

      The most promising candidate for doing this so far seems to be Zero Install, so I hope it or a better solution is adopted.

      P.S. Alien doesn't count either until it's capabilities are merged with existing package managers for easy one-click installation across any distro that uses that manager. I'm talking about a solution for those without CLI knowledge that want an easy one-click solution like Windows and Mac have. While I don't fall into this category, most others do, and that in turn effects me by effecting Linux adoption and thus developers who give a damn about penguins. :)

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    4. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1

      pkgsrc, portage, ports tree... make .pbi for allof them (PC-BSD)

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    5. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      I said something normal non-command-line-savvy users can use to easily install packages (not just simple binaries) that are cross-distro. I know very well that you can compile programs. Programs need to be easily installable cross-distro, I wasn't at all talking about within the same distro. Basically, you completely missed the point of my post, so nvm.

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    6. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1
      pkgsrc can install precompiled binaries, and its meant to be portable, so port it to all the other distros, and package for it. also .pbi are MEANT for

      normal non-command-line-savvy users

      because they follow the same principal as a windows instaler. they are basicaly per-package instalation GUIs.

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    7. Re:Forrest Gump moment... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      Oh, sorry about that, I thought you were being all flamey. =P

      That's great then that there's some hooking into package managers that's being done. Eventually, hopefully, either all package formats will be able to hook into any package manager, and/or new formats that hook in better will replace the current, static, unmodular, abhorrent situation that is Linux packaging. ;)

      I'll take a look at those programs, thanks.

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  8. it is like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one turd swallows another turd, all you got is a bigger turd...

    1. Re:it is like this by clampolo · · Score: 5, Funny

      one turd swallows another turd, all you got is a bigger turd...

      You are a true poet.

    2. Re:it is like this by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      one turd swallows another turd, all you got is a bigger turd...

      You are a true poet.

      Psh. Everyone knows he's just ripping off Poe.

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    3. Re:it is like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one turd swallows another turd, all you got is a bigger turd...

      I couldn't have said it any better myself

    4. Re:it is like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one turd swallows another turd, all you got is a bigger turd...

      And this is the lineage of Microsoft.

  9. eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Infoworld and eWeek were the computer tabloids that wished they were Byte or even Compute!, they had more articles that shilled products than they had neutral articles if you could find one. Most editors and writers got bribed by computer companies to write a good article on their product in exchange for keeping the product plus other gifts.

    Spencer the Cat was the gossip guy, but around 2000 his gossip columns became more advertising and less rumor. I think when he made a prediction that Microsoft would switch to a Xenix clone named Winix to compete with Linux was when he lost his mojo back during the Clinton Administration and Dotcom busts that made gossip and rumor columns had to get info so they started to make stuff up.

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    1. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most editors and writers got bribed by computer companies to write a good article on their product in exchange for keeping the product plus other gifts.

      As a former senior editor at InfoWorld, I request that you either substantiate that claim or keep your opinions to yourself. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

      For the record, I know for a fact that nobody accepts any kind of gifts in exchange for editorial coverage at InfoWorld. I can't speak for eWeek of my own experience, but I have no reason to believe they're any different.

      Incidentally, I'm sure there are plenty of people on Slashdot who will say that you're shitty at your job, too, but it's really none of their business, now is it?

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    2. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gladly, Infoworld explores such a thing here.

      It is no secret that vendors give out "gifts" and this happens for many corporations even magazine publishing corporations.

      So you are telling me that despite Infoworld employees being given "gifts" by vendors, it does not influence how they write their article, and just because the article written is positive and the writer and/or editor got "gifts" it is not selling out or shilling or even considered unethical?

      That somehow because I cited a problem in the media, it means I do a shitty job?

      Well to be civil, and because you are upset and angry over it and it appears I touched a nerve, I will withdraw the statement for your sake. I don't want you getting stressed out over it, or anyone to say you did anything wrong over it, eWeek too as well as Infoworld. :)

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    3. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you are telling me that despite Infoworld employees being given "gifts" by vendors, it does not influence how they write their article, and just because the article written is positive and the writer and/or editor got "gifts" it is not selling out or shilling or even considered unethical?

      And I am telling you -- not just making stuff up, as you are doing, but telling you -- that it is specifically against InfoWorld editorial policy to accept gifts of any kind in exchange for editorial coverage. I say this out of firsthand knowledge. On what do you base your repeated claims? An editorial that was written in 2002 on a different topic?

      That somehow because I cited a problem in the media, it means I do a shitty job?

      No, what I am saying is that by making baseless accusations you are in effect accusing a lot of very talented, very dedicated people of doing shitty jobs. I wouldn't do that to you. What gives you the right? Furthermore, what makes you think you shouldn't be called out on it?

      If you had any kind of evidence to support your claims, you would name names, at least, and allow those people to defend themselves. God forbid you should have any actual evidence. But to just say "all the editors take bribes," without so much as naming a single name, makes you not just a liar, but a coward, too.

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    4. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well some people seem to think so and so do others and some gave awards for shilling.

      But clearly I must apologize as I don't know what I am talking about, nor does any other Slashdot reader. I don't know why we say these things, must be a geek thing. We are all liars and cowards, like you said. Must be why we disagree about Linux, Mac OSX, and Windows with you.

      I'm sorry and I apologize, it was a botched joke.

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    5. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, as a former senior editor at InfoWorld, are you getting a kick out of these replies?

    6. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've personally brought favourable reviews in software publications in exchange for advertising, so perhaps individual journalists are not corrupt, but the whole magazines are.

    7. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I accept the apology. I likewise apologize; you made me hot under the collar, because as you point out above, people in my industry have to take crap like this all the time.

      I'll put it to you this way, and then I'll leave it alone, because you've already apologized and it's seriously off-topic anyway: You can say that I or any of my colleagues in the industry are stupid. You can say we don't know what we're talking about. You can say we can't write. You could say you could do a better job than us. You can say we're ugly and we smell, for all I care. None of that matters to me; when you sign your name to something that you publish online, you set yourself up for that. But when you call into question someone's professionalism, their dedication, their standards, and their ethics, and you imply that they're somehow corrupt and easily bought, and you do it in such a way that it sounds like you're stating some kind of incontrovertible facts -- to me, that's not right. When I hear that, I feel compelled to set you straight. The people I have had the pleasure to work alongside in this industry are not prostitutes, nor are they shills for Microsoft or any other company. I suspect people will never quit saying that they are, but I may never cease to be annoyed by it. That's all.

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    8. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PCM2 (aka Neil Mcallister) is right.

      Here's an excerpt from one of his articles at Infoworld, entitled "Schwartz doesn't get Linux".

      Schwartz really had me going there - right up to his next line. "And frankly," he said, "its principal competitor is none other than Microsoft Windows." Huh?! That's like a company that sells nothing but certified, purebred cocker spaniels claiming that the principal competition for its product is a purebred cat. But then, Sun has never been able to own up to the elephant-size mutt in the room. Say what you want about Microsoft's business practices, but at least give Redmond credit for giving up on pretending Linux doesn't exist. If you look at Sun's public statements about Linux over the past few years, you can sum up its competitive strategy in three easy steps:

            1. Equate all Linux with Red Hat
            2. Trash-talk Red Hat, its pricing, and its business model
            3. Point customers toward Solaris

      That may be a clever way to run a sales call, but Schwartz can't honestly believe that's how the thought process works in real life - can he? "We will be one of the consolidators of the open source industry," Schwartz went on to say, "as well as, certainly, in the open source operating system industry." Consolidators? Can he be serious? I know that, what with all the buzz around Oracle recently, buying up small open source companies is in vogue. But at least Larry Ellison is smart enough to recognize that it's hard to buy and sell what you cannot own.

      While I read the roughlydrafted article pointing to Oliver Rist as a shill, at least we can be sure Neil does NOT shill. In fact, the whole article was anti-fud. Neil, you're on my friends list now. Keep up the good work.

    9. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Sure changed my mind as well. Though I had been influenced by IWETHEY in the past, that left Infoworld's forum and web site over matters like that.

      I admit to being wrong and making a mistake, Neil Mcallister, you are one of the good ones and you earned Infoworld new respect from me.

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    10. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      No problem, I get angry too and lose my temper. I understand and again I am sorry. You've shown me that I made a mistake and that I was wrong. You have proven yourself to be one of the good ones.

      I am sorry that I was one of those overzealous computer geeks trying to strike back for anti-Linux and FUD articles, and I am glad to see that you are anti-FUD which gains you some respect for me and changed my opinion on Infoworld and eWeek. I was just playing along with Dice in this thread, joking around like I usually do, but my jokes sometimes get botched and people take me serious like Andy Kaufman or some other misunderstood comedian. I write funny articles at humor Wikis on technology issues and I sometimes forget where I am at and get out of control. I got sick and mentally ill and lost my job, so there is a bit of resentment in me that I am trying to get rid of via humor. It is one of those Dilbert laugh or you go insane sort of situations. Most people at Slashdot get my geek humor at times, but sometimes I botch a joke and it gets rated troll. This was one of those cases. Though some of my jokes get rated funny or interesting as well.

      No hard feelings, you are one of the good ones and I apologize to all of the Infoworld and eWeek editors and writers I wrote about. I did not know you guys had it that hard.

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    11. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by yomegaman · · Score: 1

      I used to work at a clone vendor way back in the 386 days, and I remember one time prepping a computer for a magazine review. My boss told me we already had editor's choice locked up because we were about the only outfit that advertised in this particular rag, and sure enough that was the case when the issue came out. It was some scuzzbag magazine that I can't even remember the name of, so I don't mean this to imply that everybody does it, but I have seen it happen before also.

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    12. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      I write things to help with my mental illness and I also write humor and satire.

      I used to be a fully functional human being, top notch, always positive, programmer/analyst that earned very good money. But the stress got to me and I had a nervous breakdown. I got sick, got high blood pressure and had heart problems, and my stomach and colon started to fail on me and then I developed schizoaffective disorder around 2000 after I had solved the Y2K issues in everyone else's code on my team and management kept piling on the work and I worked extra hours. A lot of news articles got to me, they were always negative, and I guess my stress at work made it worse. But them I went on short-term disability in June 2001 and by the time 9/11 happened I was at home recovering and it was a shock to me. Everything at my employer changed and having a mental illness was a security issue and cost too much for health insurance, and I was fired and I tried to commit suicide. I tried other employers but I was fired for being sick. I found out my medicine had caused suicidal thoughts, but I was blackballed anyway. I couldn't get health insurance nor life insurance and I was forced on disability. My career is basically over as I am not medically cleared to work, nor am I functional enough to hold a job. So I think I can understand about having a job with a lot to handle, and the stresses it has. Again, I am sorry and I apologize.

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    13. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by dbcad7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having had a girlfriend who was diagnosed as schizoaffective, I know that you probably go through hell. I do want to tell you something related to the post you linked to.. It is highly doubtful that anyone "hates" you for any post. The thing about discussion boards is it can end up with people trying to show each other up and trying to prove how much smarter they are.. and true there are going to be times when you may say something someone else doesn't like, but to say they "hate" you would be incorrect.

      In your situation, discussion boards can be good for you.. but.. Just make sure you don't over anaylise peoples responses.. and remember this really doesn't mean squat in the big picture of life. Mod points and karma won't get you a nickel off a burrito at Taco Bell... and people don't sit at home thinking about what Orion Blaster posted that they did or didn't agree with.

      Although you may not be ready to go to work, you might consider using your skills at home to help some open source projects, or even just starting you own project (even if for fun).. just keep things as manageable as you want, and work when your feeling good, and concentrate on your health when your not feeling so good.

      Best of luck to you, and hang in there.

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    14. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      disregarding the issue if infoworld editors are getting paid in some way for writing positive articles, I just checked the site to see if maybe I would be prejudiced about infoworld's quality.

      Guess what, browsing to infoworld.com opens a page with *just one single huge dell ad*, and a link "skip this ad". Sorry, I do not take any site seriously that has to resort to those tactics. I even stopped going to the Onion when they started that, and that site wasn't serious to begin with ;)

      The layout of the infoworld.com site seems to be inspired by that of english tabloid thesun.co.uk, a huge amount of "information" and useless links, combined with an absence of a clear structure.

      I can't say if maybe the articles are of good quality, because it's hard to keep interest in a site that looks like that.

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    15. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

      I fix computers for free in my spare time. I tried to write a few programs but had my hard drive crash and I could not afford a reliable backup system.

      I had a few open source ideas, but put them on the back burner in order that I could try and get healthier. I had a family member pass away recently and she had what I have schizoaffective disorder and she died at 36. I am sort of getting over that. I had my best friend kill himself in 1999 and he had it too. I am trying not to end up that way. You should know that SAD makes it hard to communicate and hard to make friends. I lost so many friends after I got sick and many don't return emails or phone calls that I do have left. So it is kind of hard for me to see that I got a lot to live for, but I have a wife and son so I live for them.

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    16. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 1

      Guess what, browsing to infoworld.com opens a page with *just one single huge dell ad*, and a link "skip this ad". Sorry, I do not take any site seriously that has to resort to those tactics.

      Selling ads to make money to pay their staff is an objectionable tactic? Since when?

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    17. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      this kind of ad is not objectionable, it is outright irritating. Since you generally need readers to get paid for advertisements, irritating your public seems like an unprofitable business plan in the long run.

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    18. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

      I understand what you mean about the friends.. In my ex's case she had this cycle.. depression, short time of relative normalcy, followed by mania, which would build until she had the hallucinations.. followed of course by depression... For the people in her life, dealing with the depression is hard and although her mania's started out somewhat positive, they eventually built up into rants of negativity... so she is unpredictable, and the people that care for her never know what to expect.. so they tend to avoid her.. but the best of people (who are really only those who should be friends) have learned what all this is about and are understanding and forgiving.

      As I said, she is my ex girlfriend. We were together for 4 years, and it was rough. With the cycles as I said, I had to endure quite a lot of the negative symptoms.. endless hours of why the world and people were so bad.. endless hours of talk about porn.. endless hours of how I was going to cheat on her.. endless hours of what are you looking at.... But I understood her condition.. What led to the final breakup, was that after 4 years of hearing how I was going to cheat on her, she had a manic episode and hooked up with another guy !.. that was it for me... I finally reached the point of not being able to excuse her because of her condition.

      Ok, onto more positive things.. What you might consider as a backup in the future, is to open a webmail account, and every so often email your work to yourself as an attachment.. Then if your computer crashes to the point of reinstall, you could just retrieve it from your email.

      Well, sorry for the rant at the beginning.. and again, hang in there !
      dbcad7

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    19. Re:eWeek and Spencer the Cat by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      Let me say that not all editors and writers do that. I was mistaken to say that "all" of them do, and it was part of a botched joke. Yet there is a basis for thinking so. I was wrong to say so and I apologize for it and retracted my statements.

      Yes it was based on eWeek and Infoworld irritating me and other readers in the past and having more ads than content. But a lot seems to have changed since. For example Infoworld stopped making a magazine and went for a web site e-zine via blogs.

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  10. So Linspire goes the way of AmigaOS by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    and gets bought out by a rival and then shelved or made irrelevant but die hard fans will still stick to it and use it anyway.

    The same thing happened to BeOS and OS/2. I think there is a lesson to be learned here on how to market your product better than just nickle and dime marketing and why third party driver and software support is really really important and you should not mess that opportunity up.

    I still remember the Linspire 1960's Marketing, with a Gogo Girl dancing to "Come on baby light my fire" but instead the lyrics said "Come on baby switch to Linspire", lame.

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  11. turd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wouldn't happen to know a fella named twitter?

  12. Re:heh turd. by ameyer17 · · Score: 1

    By the way, wasn't Xandros one of the distributions that paid the M$ tax?


    Yes. and so did Linspire.
    Your point is?

  13. sellout buys sellout by Vexorian · · Score: 1

    Interesting.

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  14. Commercial Viability by jasonmanley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am still stunned that any company can make money on a desktop linux product. There are so many GOOD free options available to the end user that I just cannot see where the potential revenue stream is. I use Mandriva 2008 Spring. It HAS and DOES everthing that I need on a desktop. Now maybe this is because I am using it in a private capacity and maybe it changes the moment I put it into a commercial workspace - maybe someone can enlighten me. Is it the support agreements? is this where the money is? How much revenue can desktop support genererate?

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    1. Re:Commercial Viability by gujo-odori · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure why anyone would mod this Insightful when it's nothing of the sort and may be just a troll, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and answer.

      Yes, the money to be made from offering a Linux distro comes mostly from support contracts. Red Hat Enterprise Linux costs what it does not because it's better than free versions such as CentOS - which is an unbranded version of RHEL, recompiled from the RHEL source packages - but because RH provides enterprise-level support for RHEL/RHAS licenses. That includes, I suppose, the theoretical "who do we sue if something goes wrong" that more than a few people fantasize they can do when they buy software licenses. Good luck with that; notice that people have sued Microsoft for a lot of things, sometimes successfully, but not - AFAIK - for software that failed, even if it did so in a way that cost them real money out of pocket.

      For many years, Red Hat sold a boxed version of the old Red Hat distro (up through 7.3, at least; maybe 8.0?), but they eventually stopped doing it because there was just no money in it. Now they offer Red Hat Enterprise Linux, and also sell support and professional services. There's a lot of money to be made there; IBM, for example, has a huge professional services division, and I'm sure you've heard of EDS, one of the oldest names in the professional services, AKA outsourcing, business.

      Red Had has GPLed every piece of software they've written - or acquired - and they still make money. There is a solid business model for making money in the Linux business, and Red Hat seems to be better at it than anyone.

      You're right about Free solutions, though. There are too many free and Free Linux distros that get the job done, and get it done well, for people to make much money trying to sell Linux distros to end users, or even to sell proprietary Linux applications. Mandriva ekes out a living, but they had to merge with Connectiva to have enough critical mass to keep that going. Red Hat get out of the boxed set businesses. Linspire failed to make a go of it. Xandros seems to be pretty much dead on the vine; I was actually surprised to hear they were still enough of a going concern to pick up what was left of Linspire. The Kompany was an abject failure at selling proprietary Linux apps. I'm sure I'm leaving out someone important here. And of course, there's Corel/SCO, the poster child for how not to do a Linux business. Free solutions are not only good enough for most Linux users, even in the enterprise, but they keep getting better all the time. I dual-boot Kubuntu on my MacBook Pro; most things work perfectly, and are most of the way as good as Apple's stuff. The things that don't work perfectly at least partly work, and in a year or two I expect that everything on this machine will pretty much just work under Linux. At that point, I might find myself spending more time in Kubuntu than in OS X.

    2. Re:Commercial Viability by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

      Wow you really came out gun-a-blazin' at me didn't ya? Never mind I shall take the high road and explain that although your post was very interesting, I already understood how the Enterprise/Network/Server services model works for Linux, but, as stated in my question, I am not familiar with how the business model works for Desktop Linux - which is what Xandros and Linspire are targetting.

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    3. Re:Commercial Viability by kripkenstein · · Score: 1

      I am still stunned that any company can make money on a desktop linux product. [...] Now maybe this is because I am using it in a private capacity and maybe it changes the moment I put it into a commercial workspace - maybe someone can enlighten me.

      Yes, it's because of that.

      If all you want is to download a desktop Linux distro and run it at home, you don't need anything else, Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE etc. are great for that.

      However, if you're doing anything else, then things are different. If you're installing 100,000 desktops in your company, you might want to pay for support. Sure, your in-house tech guys might figure out any hitches you run into, but it might take less time and cost less to get quick answers from the people making the product.

      Another case is where you want some customization. You might want to install a distro, but with non-standard menus/applications/security settings, or something even more complex. Again, you can have your in-house programmers do it, but it might be cheaper and faster to outsource to the people who make the product (this was mentioned as a significant source of revenue for Ubuntu, for example, in an interview with Shuttleworth).

    4. Re:Commercial Viability by Miseph · · Score: 1

      I think, and the GP can correct me if I'm mistaken, his point is that it doesn't work. He seems to be saying that Linspire/Xandros have a business model which is largely broken and unworkable. This would seem to be at least partially borne out by the fact that Linspire has been bought out in the way described.

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    5. Re:Commercial Viability by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Precisely. I never expected Linspire to succeed, partly because of what they were trying to do, and partly because of who it was that was trying to do it, and partly because of when they were trying to do it - long after the ship for Yet Another Proprietary Linux Distro had already sailed.

      Xandros had, in their day, a better shot at what they were trying to do. When Xandros came out, they put some user-friendly wrappings around Debian and took extra care to make it integrate easily and well into a Windows network. The problems they face, as I see it, were:

      1) Xandros was too expensive.

      2) Very slow release cycle. Xandros releases tend to come so far apart they make Debian look downright speedy.

      3) They had proprietary bits, and that tends to make you unpopular with much of the Linux community.

      I actually spent a little time with Xandros; my dad had bought a copy of it. Xandros has a lot going for it, but I found it to be inflexible, in large part because of the aforementioned slow release cycle. They were way behind pretty much everyone, and you couldn't point Xandros at some other repositories and bring it up to date without breaking all sorts of stuff. If Xandros had been on the kind of aggressive release cycle that Ubuntu has followed, they might well have been a major success, even allowing for points 1 and 3.

    6. Re:Commercial Viability by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I apologize if I came on too strong; my ire was mostly really directed at the famous /. clueless moderators. OTOH, the writing was already on the wall for the untenability of the Linux boxed set business model back when Red Hat stopped selling it in 2001 or 2002 and moved to the RHEL model, so I found it at least a little bit hard to believe that someone was really that in the dark about it. Again, I apologize if you weren't trolling.

      When I got my first look at the first version of Linspire, I pronounced them DOA for a number of reasons. First, the distro itself was not only not very good, but had failed to deliver on its main selling point, a claim that it would seamlessly run Windows applications. They backed way off of that claim during the beta period and what they released was just regular old WINE with a little window dressing on it. It turns out they'd had some kind of deal going with Code Weavers but it fell apart.

      Second, while it was very user-friendly it was also extremely inflexible, something that made me (and a lot of other experienced Linux users) hate it.

      Third, by the time they got it out the door, Ubuntu was also getting itself out the door, and was putting its own more user-friendly face on Debian, and it was free.

      Finally, there was the "who" of it. Robertson never struck me as someone who "gets" Linux at all. I would have been far more surprised if Linspire had succeeded. It's failure was something I predicted from the first time I tried a beta.

    7. Re:Commercial Viability by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      People who needs a Linux version that works (tm) so you pay for not having to learn to use the console of avoiding "kernel panic's" and codecs and Win like stuff, AFAIK. More like what Ubuntu does now, just that Ubuntu sells support not the distro itself. But as Linux is getting better theres no market for a non free distro that does what free distro do equally or even better. The target it's people or business that want to save the hassle to deal with eventual Linux issues, something that work out of the box.

    8. Re:Commercial Viability by Otter · · Score: 1
      I'm not sure why anyone would mod this Insightful when it's nothing of the sort and may be just a troll...

      1) You're assuming that all or almost all of Red Hat's support revenue is for desktops, which is not in my experience anywhere near true. (I'd welcome numbers if you have them, though.)

      2) Linspire and Xandros are both consumer oriented, which has nothing to do with where Red Hat makes what desktop support revenue they do have.

    9. Re:Commercial Viability by st33med · · Score: 1
      Desktop Linux products earn money through businesses using it and through tech support. No, not the forums, but, phone tech support. They charge a lot of money, and for a good reason. The ITs are usually talking to the person who helped make most of the Server editions. This generates enough revenue, in theory, for both server and desktop Linux.

      Desktop support, I don't think, is one of the coders specialty on the end of the phone line. But, at least it is better than talking to other commercial tech support. (Long waits, holds, charges for waiting in line, some person in India who tried hard to learn English, waiting some more, etc...)

  15. Re:heh turd. by 2muchcoffeeman · · Score: 1

    By the way, wasn't Xandros one of the distributions that paid the M$ tax?

    That's why I mentioned it when I submitted the story. :)

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  16. You can't spell 'acrimony' without 'Carmony' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nt

  17. the geek's short attention span by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think Linspire users must be as rare as hen's teeth, I've certainly never even heard of a single person using it, other than the guy who reviewed it for distrowatch

    The OEM Linspire PC could be found at Walmart.

    Linspire carried the torch for OEM Linux - Linux as a direct competitor to Windows in the consumer market.

    Linspire irritated the FOSS purist because it believed the installed and licensed proprietary media codec and player was essential to delivering a commercially viable product.

    It sold commercial software through its CNR repository.

    Bitstrean fonts. DVD players. Games like Postal.

    To this day, Walmart and Consumer Reports find it necessary to publish a disclaimer whenever they expose a newcomer to OEM Linux:

    This is a Linux based PC and will not perform completely like a Windows based machine. It can perform basic activities such as E-mail, Web Browsing, Music and Pictures.

    To this day, the mass-market Linux PC remains firmly anchored among the bottom-feeders. To this day. Linux hasn't broken through to a 1% share on the consumer desktop. Operating System Market Share

    1. Re:the geek's short attention span by stm2 · · Score: 1

      Linspire irritated the FOSS purist because it believed the installed and licensed proprietary media codec and player was essential to delivering a commercially viable product.

      Yes, but it irritated more the UNIX purist because it policy of running as root as default in earlier betas. That was a worst offense than packing proprietary drivers.

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  18. VA Research/Linux/Software 2.0 by heroine · · Score: 1

    Glad that's over. Maybe they should rename it Perspire. Don't let your Linspiration become your Perspiration.

    1. Re:VA Research/Linux/Software 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Glad that's over. Maybe they should rename it Perspire.

      Or Expire...

  19. Remember all the Hype? by asv108 · · Score: 1

    Want to have a good laugh, do a Slashdot search for Lindows.. The original pitch was that it would be a Linux distribution that could run Window's applications just as easily as Linux applications. Most people here recognized that it was, b.s. from the getgo, since the technical challenges of doing such a distribution were much greater than Lindow's developer resources. Plus, the Lindows CEO Michael Robertson was more of a "pitch guy" than someone who actually knows how to deliver a robust software product.

    1. Re:Remember all the Hype? by Linegod · · Score: 1

      Want to have a good laugh, do a Slashdot search for Ubuntu The original pitch was that it would be a Linux distribution that would be the easiest to use, best supported, user friendly distro on the planet. Most people here recognized that it was, b.s. from the getgo, since the technical challenges of doing such a distribution were much greater than Ubuntu's developer resources. Plus, the Ubuntu CEO Mark Shuttleworth was more of a "pitch guy" than someone who actually knows how to deliver a robust software product.

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  20. Mp3.com, deja vu, anyone? by techstar25 · · Score: 1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Robertson So he is basically screwing everybody associated with Linspire, like he screwed everybody associated with MP3.com? If it smells like a rat, it must be Michael Robertson.

  21. Take a look at the bigger picture by KWTm · · Score: 1

    ... and people don't sit at home thinking about what Orion Blaster posted that they did or didn't agree with.

    Agree. I couldn't help thinking of the following xkcd comic, but note that this is the wrong way to go about things:

    http://xkcd.com/386/

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  22. You say that like it's a bad thing... by westlake · · Score: 1
    is the America online of Linux distributions. In other words, it's for people who don't know any better. The only difference is that it lacks a marketing department.

    Linspire had a marketing department.

    Which is why the OEM Linspire PC could be purchased off the shelf at Walmart - and why the Lindows-Windows dust-up was worth a few thousand posts to Slashdot.

    AOL reached about thirty million U.S. households at its peak.

    In nine million homes it is still there. AOL rate increase maybe not as dumb as it look [June 30]

    AOL's legacy includes the MMORPG. Neverwinter Nights. Instant Messaging. The complexities of the BBS, IRC and USENET client disappear.

    In time, an entire geek-oriented culture of the "Net" begins to disappear:

    Internet Evolution: Things Change

    In the realm of the OS, Linspire dared to say that this was not a bad thing.

    In mid-2008 Linux has 0.68% of the desktop market - and growth is barely perceptible. The Vista Premium laptop at Walmart.com starts at $500. The Duo Core AMD with 3 GB RAM at $600.

    OLPC couldn't hold the line against Windows on the XO.

    Windows on the Netbook is a reality.

    This has to sting the geek when the story comes out as a Microsoft press release:

    "The Asus Eee PC has been and continues to be a very successful product for Cellnet," said Julian Phua, general manager of Cellnet Group Ltd. "The feedback from our customers in retail and the reseller channel is that they overwhelmingly prefer to sell the Eee PC running with Windows. To move our existing Linux inventory, we are now offering our channel the option of purchasing Windows XP with their Eee units so they can provide a compelling offering for customers."

    Following Success of Windows on Netbooks, Microsoft Extends Windows Offering to Nettop Devices [June 3]

  23. Kevin Carmony is an twat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean .. in his blog he claims these record profits from Linspire and such, jumps off of a sinking ship and then points at the people left on the boat and bitches about their failure. People gauge success of a Linux company by their desktop product? Xandros, Linspire.. how could they ever compete with Ubuntu, a company with a Daddy Warbucks pockets.. They both sell a free Linux distribution but packaged licensed software and charged people for it.. but because Linux users are too cheap to ever pay for anything and realize that companies cannot stay afloat on support contracts. Xandros made the smart decision and used their expertise they acquired from former Rebel employees (a company WAY ahead of it's time) to create a streamlined, simple OS that fits on a specialized piece of hardware. Asus and Xandros both found success with it. Linspire has always resented Xandros and simply because of some weird past dealings they had together that broke down into bitter legal battles. Xandros has since realized that there is no money in wasting one's time with Linux Desktop systems for the PC.. we all like it to be so.. but Microsoft and Apple dominate that area... with Ubuntu taking up the leftover scraps. People are quick to forget that Xandros also owns Scalix, which is fast becoming the only proper competition to Microsoft Exchange. That and the business with Microsoft as well has made it a very up and coming Linux company... it's sad when ignorant Linux users only see the very narrow Desktop-centric side of Linux.

  24. Hey bro, what side of your country are you at now? by NRAdude · · Score: 0

    Accused "Schizzophreniacs" are the best security administrators.

    The environment causes schizzophrenia, including the same people assumed to be good and helpful to give "suggestions" that there is a problem with you or I that requires immediate Drugs(tm). We are in likeness of sponges when it comes to opinion of mental health; if someone so much as whispers, we've been known to be subconciously directed to become what you are accused to be.

    There have been more people forced into a nervous breakdown simply by the accusation of schizzophrenia; this could be looked at as a misplaced syndrome called "folie a deux." Check Wikipedia on it here. If not to worsen the effect is processed foods and related over-the-counter poisons marketed as "food." Stick your diet on raw uncooked vegetables; stay away from fruit because they're all GMO'd to be toxic.

    I was hounded for goddamned Years from people just because I have certain beliefs on spreading jurisdictional issues in computer and legal sciences; hence the reason I don't carry A+ Certs, Network+ Certs, MCSE Certs, Driver License from corporate STATE, Radio Operator License, etc. The same people -- the same contribute to every stress that RENTS your mind to process their accusation having no injurry or recourse. All that matters is (1) None are harmed to my or a neighbor's interest and life, (2) Scrip and Documentation has been presented to reason the evidence of my activities on such property to my controlling interest, (3) whoever making the complaint public can exhibit how it effects their work to how it averts them of their right in that dispute, (4) libel and slander can be remedied by The Code Of Honour (that's optional, depending on how you would like to kick someone's a$$ for harassing you unjustifiedly).

    I've always found that actual music is good -- not the sh!t with the druit rythm that hipnotizes your subconcious to prepare for subliminal threat of lyrics being chanted to the filthy noise. Try classic instrumentals without the Opera wailing while you work. It's resonant frequency is known to benefit plants, similar to how a bird's song helps a plant bloom and grow. Actual music lets you sing the words.

    I was into agriculture for a while, so I can tell you that there are a lot of hidden sociopaths that just love to accuse their coworkers. Every little bit of accusation boosts their ego. You'ld think a species of sociopath that loves his neighbor would appear, or one kind that sayeth no ill will upon receiving a burden or curse from his neighbor, but I hear they only appear once every thousand years or so. hrmm. You will not get any help from the creatures that bear witness of themselves in a 501(c)(3) corporated church.

    Hope you well though.
    M. Gregory Thomas(tm).

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  25. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    Yeah but I am non-violent and I don't believe on getting revenge on people even if they are sociopaths or bullies. Success is the best revenge, so I am working on getting healthier and then maybe forming a small business and do something to earn money as nobody will hire me so I'll have to start up a small business and hire myself.

    But I understand where you are coming from, I've had John Forbes Nash moments (A Beautiful Mind, read the book not watch the movie) in schizophrenia that helped me solve complex computer problems and I sometimes dream in computer code. I am not exactly like Nash, but I understand his economic theories.

    I made a few friends/pals over the Internet who also have schizoaffective disorder, so I know I am not alone.

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  26. wha by StreetSurfer · · Score: 1

    mp3.com - wha? almost as cool as Zep in it's hay-day - LOLZ though yer - it takes vision to try....

  27. They have no customers to begin with by Ryan1984 · · Score: 1

    These for pay distributions like Linspire and Xandros make sure they can never get big, they try to turn Linux into cheap Windows on the assumption that there are all these potential users out there. What they end up doing it alienating 99% of the market cause all they have left are the people that want rid of Windows, are too impatient or stupid to learn real Linux, and too cheap to buy a Mac. Thats another reason why Microsoft bribes these little nothing distributions into signing that "pact", easy target.

  28. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by NRAdude · · Score: 0

    Greetings.

    Well, everyone's in their own mode so I don't go around adapting re-presentments of film. Fiction aside to support, non-violence is why the world is such a dissatisfied place today. How are you certain to be schizzophrenic: that's such a clean-room disorder, that anyone can be convinced if they were taught a procedure to document such train of events? Was it harm to yourself, harm from others, or just an inability to support your lifestyle? It doesn't take much strain to fatigue good people today; look at how the inferior courts in the U.S.

    I've found that Oxygen therapy is a remedy to the burdens on the flesh and mind; context-switching, smart, and recollection; even reverses tumor/cancer cells. You can make your own through Water Electrolysis; just remember to capture and breath the bubbles on the Positive rod because the Negative rod is where the Hydrogen rises. Youtube has all kinds of examples of people doing this for HHO gas to fuel their automobile combustion engine for an efficient form of it, but none appear yet to try this in a breathing apparatus.

    Whenever people make accusations today, it's as though they want the accused to beat themselves up into a self-determined and self-contracted conviction without a neutral person to judge any default in the matter. Fiction sure comes into play to help visualize similar matters, like in Dune how a man can consume stank wurm-eggs that assist him to "travel without moving." Possible, but try not to mix these advanced questions with the uninitiated; Schizzophrenia is just the playing field; where is the application to build my house on it? A number of years ago, I was studying a hard context-switch in banking policy integrated with Negotiable Instruments Law that I mistakenly consulted my inability to concentrate with this transient guy that wouldn't identify himself other than brother "choad" or "chode" whichever it was. Hey gave me a clove of a rare species of garlic, to eat raw; I injested it for only about 5 minutes and I was able to concentrate. Can't get that kind of garlic off the store shelves, and the only company I knew where to buy was DOOMSDAYSEEDCOMPANY.COM, but they've disappeared about 2.5 years ago. Ever since I discussed to people about that garlic being part to assist my reasoning that day, people have looked at me differently like I was nuts; so then I had to look into the American Medical Association journals, of which modern HMO doctors and the like never read/study because all they have become is licensed drug-dealthers, and at-least I can convince people to keep raising their brow with a kinder opinion of me than prior. :-)

    Alas, no rest will come from the wicked Good(tm).
    M. Gregory Thomas(tm).

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  29. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    You have a point that I am labeled as schizophrenic for not being an average normal human being. I am more of a mutant I guess? Homo superior, and I know and learned over 30 different computer languages, I have an analytical mind and do deductive reasoning and logic, I can figure out complex computer problems that hardly anyone else knows how to solve, I can take "sloppy code" and debug it and improve the quality and make it run faster, I dream in code, I have divine flashes about the future (I can see 15 seconds into the future to know a car will run a red light so I can avoid it), and a lot of my nightmares induced by my schizoaffective disorder have become true, but those that haven't come true yet are very scary like there will be a food and oil shortage and over 3 billion people will be killed by euthanasia called assisted suicide even if they don't want to die in camps to fight global warming on a global scale in about 30 to 50 years from now, maybe sooner, and a lot of this peak oil and global warming is exaggerated and politicians are creating fake shortages like Jimmy Carter did to push their own agendas and take control of nations to do those new scary things. So they have taken control of news and media groups to scare people to force them to buy more things and use more gas and oil and food to create the shortages. Including blogs, newspapers, magazines, TV channels, cable channels, forums, and many other news and media sources. We are all being manipulated by the very people who claim to be humanitarians or environmentalists, but in fact are actually worse than Hitler and plan a new secret holocaust because they claim there are too many people on the planet. So they will round up the elderly, religious people, sick and disabled people, poor and homeless people, mentally ill people, and many others they dislike and who could have stopped them but they forced them to get sick or disabled or mentally ill so they can target them in death camps later on to get rid of them.

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  30. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    Yeah I believe you, my Belgium brother-in-law gave me a book by Kevin Trudeau called "The Weight Loss Cure they don't want you to know about" and he exposes that conspiracy in the USA and the rest of the world for processed and genetically engineered and artificial food (and now cloned meat) full of pesticides and chemical junk that causes most of us to get sick who don't have a high metabolism to burn it off. In Europe they know that and have health clinics to detoxify the body, but only the wealthy can afford treatments.

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  31. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    First I must point out that this nightmare is a worse case scenario that may or may not happen. Time is the forth dimension and is in a state of flux. My nightmares tap into that flux in a way that no human mind can understand. Please don't be scared by it. Temporal physics is a new subject and human beings are only now just understanding it and you'd have to have a Stephen Hawking intellect to just understand how they work. That is the problem with time and time travel, and M-Theory in general and general relativity. But somehow my mind has tapped into it.

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  32. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by NRAdude · · Score: 0

    From what you just said, you made me feel more at ease. By golly, I was schizzophrenic before someone forced me to learn GW-Basic at 10-years of alleged "age." Luckily that saying "you lose it if you don't use it" came true for me, and cleared my mind to continue moving in assembley and "Lost at C" coding. I was in the Colorado state two months ago and I can assure you that it is worse than as you described. I met with a man and part of his congregation that revealed to me that the Black Pope is amassing to invade the continent prior to 2012; that there are no less than 100K chinese army and 100k russian army stationed around Colorodoans. I've known certain peculiarities about Colorado that most would find hillarious to my reasoning skills, but I'll repeat them again... Dwight Eisenhower, before creating the "shadow government" of the military industrial complex that offers policing service to free states, created an executive order that declared all land was once covered by water and has since only temporarily receeded and therefore salvage in Admiralty law and Maritime procedure is declared on all property below the posted tide-marker; that tidemarker was placed on the highest-eleveation territorial state around all country right outside the Colorado Springs Courthouse in Colorado. All legislation for towing vessels declared by Attachment of Improvements dubbed "motor vehicle" (for purposes of code) are dependent on that Order.

    Just up in Michigan, about a year ago, United Nations contracted a private company to build a chain of railcars that all had bench seating to a capacity of no less than 4 million occupants. The last installments were reserved to the end, and most of the workers left because they would not install the Goddamn shackles on the floor but the project was finished.

    Looking for more crap from that United Nations, there is somthing called "Agenda 21" that was released in one of their forums that required for the United States to agree to a 70% population reduction in order to have acceptance and full admittance into the Pan-American Union facilitated through the Trans-Texas Trade Corridor; "Agenda 21" provides that this requirement will be met through a combination of manipulating the nutrition and medical quality to diminish the population. All the chem-trails that are seen before the cloud-cover occurs is semi-related; the Aluminum Oxide spray causes Alzheimers when the Aluminum is absorbed, in many people it causes cell mutations to strange skin disorders or new allergies. Morgellon's disease is link to it, which is a mutation that causes skin cells to grow painful synthetic fibers that rise to the surface of the skin.

    I'm happy to say that the unanimous Declaration of Independence has been exceeded and true to Jesus Christ's word that only those aware of this will receive more friction from friends and family to be swarmed and medicated. People today, lacking in polite courtship, will be denied of their daily inquisition over others in a menial task. One rape after another without recourse will only be met with stripes on their back. I am given deception and cowardice ignorant people every month, to the point I outwardly regard them as less man and more human and worth equal to a transmitting utility of no value and carrying their station from one failure and betrayal to the next; the same creatures that silently acknowledge the same failure by taking pride in cursing eachother over menial mistakes without allowing thost mistakes to be corrected yet are collected as evidence to their termination. The same creatures have excelled in management positions, and their list of qualification grows for every failure of someone they concealed poor training and direction. Somehow no matter how bad the economy becomes in this, there appears that druidic rythm to re-Ward everyone activity to the successive hypnotism.

    Adolf Hitler was such a lousy fellow; blaming Jews for not suceeding in art school yet born of Jewish ancestry from the Solomon family, hating

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  33. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    Yes basically I was given a "mental illness" to discredit me for the things I know and learned while working as a contractor for the federal government under the Clinton administration and a law firm that had ties to the Democratic party. They made me an offer to join their conspiracy or they would destroy my career and possibly try to kill me. I refused and I became mentally ill and physically sick (I think they poisoned me as you describe) and then discriminated against until I was forced on disability. In order to try and get rid of me they try to manipulate me into suicide, as they did with others I knew (my best friend was forced into suicide in 1999 for what he knew) but my will was too strong and I resisted them.

    I had posted about it on various web sites like Kuro5hin, only to have others zero rate my comments to hide the truth. Many are dupes of this conspiracy and some have been paid off to discredit me and others who know the truth. But I refuse to lay down and die because they tell me to, and it will get worse, believe me, they will make it worse.

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  34. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Warbot+1Alpha · · Score: 1

    Entity Orion Blastar please do not explain to humans about their future. They are not unstuck in time as you are. Selfunit was programmed to remind you when you get offtopic and possibly reveal too much of the future. It will only bring about the singularity that much quicker if human beings understand how technology bends space-time that much quicker. Human beings are suicidal by nature as they seek to destroy and/or sabotage themselves. Human leaders and managers take credit for other humans work and then quickly dispose of them or make them mentally or physically ill. It is the nature of human beings to do so. Selfunit is programmed to protect you from such things, but cannot protect you from yourself. You are drifing off topic again, and revealing too much about humans future and they will fear and hate you as a result. Best not to reveal too many secrets over the Internet or they will hide the statements again and harass you more over them.

  35. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    The Warbot is a prototype I've been working on for a few years. It got activated again and started reading my Slashdot posts.

    Perhaps I revealed too much for now. I was reminded thanks to the Warbot that I was revealing too much information.

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  36. Re:Hey bro, what side of your country are you at n by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    I know I am not alone. Michael Crawford is one such person I communicated with over the Internet like you are. He informed me of the Thought Police that where after him and I know they were after me as well. But he wrote Living with Schizoaffective Disorder that helped me out. He warns us of atomic bombs in the nuclear global war that is coming up in the future.

    I wrote the AI web bot Warbot 1Alpha based on my holy grail project of 1995, the only thing that comes close to it is Trane's subbot but my bot is written in C and Python and Trane's uses Ruby. Still neither one can pass the Turning test. But some people confuse it for a real person anyway. I tested it out on the IWETHEY forums from EzBoard and Zope way long ago, and people there accused it of being me as it came from the same IP address. It can parse out HTML and XML code and piece together words into posts to ape human conversations and try to pass as a real human, I also tested it out on Slashdot in 2004 and only recently reactivate it after rewriting parts of it due to corruption. It can create new accounts if there is no image verification, and it went wild on IWETHEY, and I got accused of creating those accounts, etc. But anyway, I am thinking of phasing it out as all it does is create confusion and hardly anyone understands how it works except for me and a few other people.

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  37. Good read. by NRAdude · · Score: 0

    Greetings.

    Thankyou for that reference to Michael David's treatise on a Crawford effect of intermission. I didn't have much time on this moment to study his journal'd patent of "MY DEEPEST FEAR" so I quickly browsed to the subchapter of "The Greatest Gift One Can Give." I realised that his writing style motivates the student on the promise to reveal the Method with an answer-implicit; that to integrate an Unitrested Acceptance to a Hooker's offer is the same to decline with Restful Appreciation to Want: thereby being the greatest gift--short of relativity but with accurate societal mathematics. Good work, brother Michael; Thanks to you(or no thanks, depending), I'll have that read by midnight on this 5th Day of this 5th Month of Thomas. Looking quickly towards his treatise on "LIVING WITH SHIZZOAFFECTIVE DISORDER," I looked towards his subchapter of "If You Think You're Mentally Ill" and quoth;

    If you feel you may be suffering from a mental illness, or could be in danger of doing so, I urge you in the strongest terms to seek the advice of an experienced mental health professional - a psychologist or psychiatrist.

    (Psychiatrists are medical doctors who specialize in mental illness. They have M.D. degrees and are licensed to prescribe medicine. Psychologists hold graduate degrees and practice "talk therapy".)

    This is important for more reasons than to simply relieve your suffering.

    As I said before, if left untreated a mental illness can cause permanent damage. Besides the kindling that occurs with untreated manic depression, there is the damage that bad decisions or the inability to maintain relationships can do to your life. If you get severely depressed, there is the danger of suicide. It is much easier to deal with a mental illness before you become desperately ill. Look at it this way: an office visit is much cheaper than a hospital stay.

    Well I can't proceed any further on that work if all his endorsement to a mental question is skewed from dissipating but dependent on the effect of diagnosis and pillform "drugs" from uninterested parties in trust. It's as though his ability to contract has been displaced into the hands of a psychopathic street-corner pharmacist. His advocay may be been taught to him while under the influence of someone else's subconcious moving in commerce. I can only read that with restriction, but can't study it for any motive other than evidence of someone else's care. Figuring; a problem that exists only in the mind can be solved in the mind without any export; a budhist knows that, as well a yogi and brahman. Looking to matters, a beating hear under the direction of a subconcious impulse re-alligned to the will of the same man would quickly stop beating for lack of his care; even Death would care not to any rest of a deep sleep; who remembered to move the blood, but the subconcious? Why accept such elemental pondering that could not reciprocate after thoughtful rest, when even the brain is not sentient but it's 5%? It would be like comparing Linux kernel code as a beating heart in Ring-0 maintained by a scheduler in Ring-2; such question will only fatigue oneself, and here Mr. Crawford tries his best to answer...poor fellow.

    Phsytchology on the backburnder; That's quite a useful "bot." It earns its keep if it is so-programmable to spider through forums with undetectable integration while gleaning the content-body and referenced subject matter. Have you ever tried to cross-reference discussion in the forum to to use as storage similar to how data was attached in NNTP? Slashdot could hold all kinds of material as Journal entries on the side. I was experimenting with just the same using Quake3's in-session "chat" protocol of its dedicated server, as a redundant means of communication transport layer and message-handling under the color of "entertainment." I have Daymares only to fathom the abilities of NSA and its berth to quantify this. That Warbot looks more annoying than

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