Actually, tables in css still are an improvement because you can untable the elements by removing the stylesheet. This is a large usability gain for many users on odd devices. Granted, a lot of W3C specs are pretty wonky, but I still feel they are better than nothing.
You should thank OpenOffice.org for forcing Microsoft to try something new and trying to keep ahead of the competition. After all, that is what OSS is for, right? Gotta keep that lower bar raising.
I don't think the American English term is totally different than the British English term. Someone said earlier something about documents vs file/folders was probably the original intent of the paradigm which eventually went out of control. After all, a lot of the word usage eludes to file being a container of some sort. File->open and File->close for example. It's hard to open a sheet of paper. Hmm.
Oh noes. People are getting back to be being overly pedantic. Might as well start the "Untitled Folder" convo here. How can a folder be untitled yet have the title "Untitled Folder"? Because it is short for "Untitled Folder (by you)" you clods. Now that is out of the way...I shall hide under my rock again.
Here in the UK at least, many people would call those manila folders "files".
Question: Do you call these manila folders "files" when they are empty? Or does the concept of a file include the contents as well as the container? When you go to an office supply shop, do you buy files or folders?
Graphics are the traditional gimmic. No more no less. Most people who say they can't go back to old TVs or old games tend to be exaggerating on prima donna levels. "How could I ever look at something so ugly!? I have been brought up civilized!":)
In the end, I think it comes down to what language, and class libraries, you are personally familiar with.
I agree with you and that is why I took issue with the parent. They weren't having an issue with lack of object oriented bindings, they were having an issue with lack of C#. I would think that worst case scenario someone with C# experience could probably make out pretty well with the C++ or Java bindings. Maybe.
Thoughts on PyGtk? I know people seem to like ignoring it. It has most of the positives of developing with C#. In the end you are either passing your code through a java interpretor or a python interpretor anyway. Plus PyGtk looks more crossplatform in a real way than C#.
PyGTK lets you to easily create programs with a graphical user interface using the Python programming language. The underlying GTK+ library provides all kind of visual elements and utilities for it and, if needed, you can develop full featured applications for the GNOME Desktop.
PyGTK applications are truly multiplatform and they're able to run, unmodified, on Linux, Windows, MacOS X and other platforms.
Other distinctive features of PyGTK are, besides its ease of use and rapid prototyping, its first class accesibility support or the capability to deal with complex multilingual or bidirectional text for fully localized applications.
If mng or apng were put as a baseline in a w3c spec maybe some browser vendors would actually implement them. Jpeg/gif have been around and about the only thing in use for the last decade and a half. You can't tell me that the market decided that they didn't want animated dancing bananas with more than 256 colors and good alpha transparency support. We barely got png with transparency working in all the major browsers nowadays.
I do agree the the video format should by no means be restricted though.
It doesn't help, BTW, that "dumbing down" is always one of those grouchy "get off my lawn" arguments people make when they don't really have any actual arguments.
The method for html4 is dumbing down. The method for xhtml1 strict of no displaying nothing is just plain dumb. To many, the web browser is their teacher as that is where they get real world experience. If you hand in your english paper to the teacher and they a) refused to return it and say it was wrong or b) gave it a 100% as long as long as they throught they could understand it, the teaching of English in schools would be a complete farce. This is what is happening with HTML.
Writers need browsers to tell them what went wrong much like a compilers will with errors/warnings. It also needs to be written in a prominent place. That is what I will call dumbing them up. If the errors are inline, even better.
You long for a world where, if I put my STRONG tag and my EM tag in the wrong order, a completely trivial error, the browser should show absolutely nothing. Even though it's obvious to everybody what I *meant*, since a computer thinks like a computer and rejects it like a retard.
Is it really that trivial?
The order of how the opening tags is the most important because it is the most prominent.
The order of the closing tags is more likely what the user wanted since that is the note they ended on. (Things become more clear as you go along and write your content.)
I'm not seeing what is so obvious. For either there is only an arbitrary % chance you are right. On top of that, if the browser chooses the wrong order, the cascading of the CSS attributes become ALL fucked up.
Getting a web page clean is a hard problem... when you accept user input in something approaching HTML format, like/. does
No it is not. Have php run the user input through tidy. Even if it doesn't display as the user wanted in their browser, at least it displays consistently between browsers which is more important imho. Just go. Install it now in php. Seriously, if you are not checking html code coming in from users, something is not right. They could destroy your page with some of those unclosed tags.
HTML5 is very similar to XHTML. I think the only major difference in the code is the self closing tags. Just like xhtml, most attributes that have to do with styling in tags have been deprecated.
Maybe. But by that logic the Atari 2600 would have never been blessed with it's porno games as I doubt it was marketed as such. You expect at least a little diversity.
Just playing devils advocate. It's an interesting idea though, isn't it? I never used a keyboard with a console so I have no idea how useful it would be in-game.
Which is exactly why I sold it.:) The reason why I liked the n64 controller is because up for your thumb sitting on the analog is actually up on the controller. On modern controllers up for your thumb is diagonal on the controller. It's something you have to get used to and it feels unnatural. The nunchuck on the Wii seems to take a clue from the N64 design that way.
I do not agree. The SNES controller never felt that comfortable until about 10 years later because it was too big for my hands. Not everyone sees through rose-colored glasses.
I also loved the N64 controller over the PSX one back in the day. But for some reason, it feels much more comfortable than it did. I don't have my N64 anymore, so I can't double check that.
I'm not about to try to play Starcraft 2 using only motion controls. I need a keyboard. A *REAL* keyboard (not even a Chat Pad that has all of the right buttons).
What about a Wiimote with a keyboard? The Wiimote isn't restricted to motion controls. There are pointer controls too which would at least be worlds better than dual analog for a game like Starcraft...
Mozilla sat on their asses in terms of efficiency and effectiveness.
Yes and no. When FF3 originally came out, it fared a lot better compared to the competition of the time. To show you what I mean, notice the memory graph that the Mozilla people gave when they initially started preview releases of Firefox 3. Since IE8 and Chrome came out, the bar has gone up substantially. At least give a bit of time for Firefox to counter back before before calling them folks the scum of the earth.
Now maybe Mozilla can start working harder on memory leaks, multi-threading, making Firefox not suck on a Mac, and getting rid of needless bloat like the Awesome bar.
FF3 made large strides on a better Mac interface with 3.0 which is somehow forgettable now. If the interface still bugs people enough to run away from it, they should probably just be using Camino. Or would they rather be using this or this?
I think that with chrome catching on (on Windows), multi-threading has a large chance of becoming a focus in Firefox 4. If I remember, Chrome appeared from nowhere when the Firefox 3.5 development was froze so no new features could be added, let alone an architectural rewrite.
Not for I am not going to comment on the Awesome bar.
I've gone though this before, but I will go through it again. Microsoft built a business of supporting legacy software and being relatively stable. Apple built a business around adding new bells and whistles instead of worrying about keeping everything old working.
Let me rephrase this without Microsoft. What if Debian suddenly decided to be bleeding edge? Do the think the people who use it now would appreciate it? The answer is no. If people wanted to be more bleeding edge, they would be using Ubuntu or some other distribution. Debian is in high usage in servers. They want reliability.
Windows is in heavy use by enterprises and users who don't want to ever have to relearn anything at all. Microsoft built up this user-base by catering to them both for many many years. Now what happens when you piss on your traditional user-base? That's right. Nintendo. Or something.
Nice Touche. Though it sounds a lot like a "screwed if you do, screwed if you don't" situation. Though if this is done officially somewhere so it doesn't become a personal issue, it doesn't sound so bad. When every job is a "rush job" according to an employ, there there has to be some way to prioritize them.
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Actually, tables in css still are an improvement because you can untable the elements by removing the stylesheet. This is a large usability gain for many users on odd devices. Granted, a lot of W3C specs are pretty wonky, but I still feel they are better than nothing.
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You should thank OpenOffice.org for forcing Microsoft to try something new and trying to keep ahead of the competition. After all, that is what OSS is for, right? Gotta keep that lower bar raising.
Thank you. :)
I don't think the American English term is totally different than the British English term. Someone said earlier something about documents vs file/folders was probably the original intent of the paradigm which eventually went out of control. After all, a lot of the word usage eludes to file being a container of some sort. File->open and File->close for example. It's hard to open a sheet of paper. Hmm.
Oh noes. People are getting back to be being overly pedantic. Might as well start the "Untitled Folder" convo here. How can a folder be untitled yet have the title "Untitled Folder"? Because it is short for "Untitled Folder (by you)" you clods. Now that is out of the way...I shall hide under my rock again.
Here in the UK at least, many people would call those manila folders "files".
Question: Do you call these manila folders "files" when they are empty? Or does the concept of a file include the contents as well as the container? When you go to an office supply shop, do you buy files or folders?
So you're one of the boneheads that installed KDE 4.0, eh? I'll just write that down in my little book here. ;-)
Graphics are the traditional gimmic. No more no less. Most people who say they can't go back to old TVs or old games tend to be exaggerating on prima donna levels. "How could I ever look at something so ugly!? I have been brought up civilized!" :)
In the end, I think it comes down to what language, and class libraries, you are personally familiar with.
I agree with you and that is why I took issue with the parent. They weren't having an issue with lack of object oriented bindings, they were having an issue with lack of C#. I would think that worst case scenario someone with C# experience could probably make out pretty well with the C++ or Java bindings. Maybe.
Thoughts on PyGtk? I know people seem to like ignoring it. It has most of the positives of developing with C#. In the end you are either passing your code through a java interpretor or a python interpretor anyway. Plus PyGtk looks more crossplatform in a real way than C#.
From their site: http://www.pygtk.org/
PyGTK lets you to easily create programs with a graphical user interface using the Python programming language. The underlying GTK+ library provides all kind of visual elements and utilities for it and, if needed, you can develop full featured applications for the GNOME Desktop.
PyGTK applications are truly multiplatform and they're able to run, unmodified, on Linux, Windows, MacOS X and other platforms.
Other distinctive features of PyGTK are, besides its ease of use and rapid prototyping, its first class accesibility support or the capability to deal with complex multilingual or bidirectional text for fully localized applications.
If mng or apng were put as a baseline in a w3c spec maybe some browser vendors would actually implement them. Jpeg/gif have been around and about the only thing in use for the last decade and a half. You can't tell me that the market decided that they didn't want animated dancing bananas with more than 256 colors and good alpha transparency support. We barely got png with transparency working in all the major browsers nowadays.
I do agree the the video format should by no means be restricted though.
It doesn't help, BTW, that "dumbing down" is always one of those grouchy "get off my lawn" arguments people make when they don't really have any actual arguments.
The method for html4 is dumbing down. The method for xhtml1 strict of no displaying nothing is just plain dumb. To many, the web browser is their teacher as that is where they get real world experience. If you hand in your english paper to the teacher and they a) refused to return it and say it was wrong or b) gave it a 100% as long as long as they throught they could understand it, the teaching of English in schools would be a complete farce. This is what is happening with HTML.
Writers need browsers to tell them what went wrong much like a compilers will with errors/warnings. It also needs to be written in a prominent place. That is what I will call dumbing them up. If the errors are inline, even better.
You long for a world where, if I put my STRONG tag and my EM tag in the wrong order, a completely trivial error, the browser should show absolutely nothing. Even though it's obvious to everybody what I *meant*, since a computer thinks like a computer and rejects it like a retard.
Is it really that trivial?
I'm not seeing what is so obvious. For either there is only an arbitrary % chance you are right. On top of that, if the browser chooses the wrong order, the cascading of the CSS attributes become ALL fucked up.
Getting a web page clean is a hard problem ... when you accept user input in something approaching HTML format, like /. does
No it is not. Have php run the user input through tidy. Even if it doesn't display as the user wanted in their browser, at least it displays consistently between browsers which is more important imho. Just go. Install it now in php. Seriously, if you are not checking html code coming in from users, something is not right. They could destroy your page with some of those unclosed tags.
HTML5 is very similar to XHTML. I think the only major difference in the code is the self closing tags. Just like xhtml, most attributes that have to do with styling in tags have been deprecated.
Maybe. But by that logic the Atari 2600 would have never been blessed with it's porno games as I doubt it was marketed as such. You expect at least a little diversity.
The classic graphics gimmick VS the controller gimmick comparison. Fight!
Hardware breakdown!!
Kick ass! Yeah!
If (relatively inexpensive) safety measures put all the mom and pop companies out of business, then they had no business being in business.
Fixed your quote for you. You can't hide that you hate everyone's parents now.
Just playing devils advocate. It's an interesting idea though, isn't it? I never used a keyboard with a console so I have no idea how useful it would be in-game.
Which is exactly why I sold it. :) The reason why I liked the n64 controller is because up for your thumb sitting on the analog is actually up on the controller. On modern controllers up for your thumb is diagonal on the controller. It's something you have to get used to and it feels unnatural. The nunchuck on the Wii seems to take a clue from the N64 design that way.
I do not agree. The SNES controller never felt that comfortable until about 10 years later because it was too big for my hands. Not everyone sees through rose-colored glasses. I also loved the N64 controller over the PSX one back in the day. But for some reason, it feels much more comfortable than it did. I don't have my N64 anymore, so I can't double check that.
I'm not about to try to play Starcraft 2 using only motion controls. I need a keyboard. A *REAL* keyboard (not even a Chat Pad that has all of the right buttons).
What about a Wiimote with a keyboard? The Wiimote isn't restricted to motion controls. There are pointer controls too which would at least be worlds better than dual analog for a game like Starcraft...
I don't know how things are now or if it relates to laptops/iphone. But I heard that iPods usually get over the rated battery life on the box.
Mozilla sat on their asses in terms of efficiency and effectiveness.
Yes and no. When FF3 originally came out, it fared a lot better compared to the competition of the time. To show you what I mean, notice the memory graph that the Mozilla people gave when they initially started preview releases of Firefox 3. Since IE8 and Chrome came out, the bar has gone up substantially. At least give a bit of time for Firefox to counter back before before calling them folks the scum of the earth.
Now maybe Mozilla can start working harder on memory leaks, multi-threading, making Firefox not suck on a Mac, and getting rid of needless bloat like the Awesome bar.
FF3 made large strides on a better Mac interface with 3.0 which is somehow forgettable now. If the interface still bugs people enough to run away from it, they should probably just be using Camino. Or would they rather be using this or this?
I think that with chrome catching on (on Windows), multi-threading has a large chance of becoming a focus in Firefox 4. If I remember, Chrome appeared from nowhere when the Firefox 3.5 development was froze so no new features could be added, let alone an architectural rewrite.
Not for I am not going to comment on the Awesome bar.
I've gone though this before, but I will go through it again. Microsoft built a business of supporting legacy software and being relatively stable. Apple built a business around adding new bells and whistles instead of worrying about keeping everything old working.
Let me rephrase this without Microsoft. What if Debian suddenly decided to be bleeding edge? Do the think the people who use it now would appreciate it? The answer is no. If people wanted to be more bleeding edge, they would be using Ubuntu or some other distribution. Debian is in high usage in servers. They want reliability.
Windows is in heavy use by enterprises and users who don't want to ever have to relearn anything at all. Microsoft built up this user-base by catering to them both for many many years. Now what happens when you piss on your traditional user-base? That's right. Nintendo. Or something.
Nice Touche. Though it sounds a lot like a "screwed if you do, screwed if you don't" situation. Though if this is done officially somewhere so it doesn't become a personal issue, it doesn't sound so bad. When every job is a "rush job" according to an employ, there there has to be some way to prioritize them.