Being delisted means that they are not traded on the larger stock exchanges anymore. It's a huge knock on the company's prestige but it's not at all like chapter 11. They company will still be in business and it will be traded on the "pink sheets". There are markets filled with companies like VA Linux on those exchanges.
There are a number of things that must happen to get delisted. Some of them include trading below $5 for an extended length of time, having a market cap under $50 million, etc. (I don't pretend to have them memorized. I'm just fimiliar with them because I worked for a failing company.)
Anyway, even with all the methods of staying listed it seems to me that VA Linux is in danger, just like you pointed out.
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So you're a programmer huh? If you're going to through that around as an excuse you should have written
i = a - b
instead of
(a -b) = i
But really I'm just being picky because of the American thing. I'm pretty sure that only citizens of the USA call themselves American.
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It's really unpleasant knowing that someone who likely needs help to solve basic math problems is able to launch
enough nuclear weapons to destroy most life on Earth.
Hmm, I'm American and I know that you don't need those parens.
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You had me concerned. Slashdot never censors people.
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I don't want him to lob nukes. However, if you look back at what he said to you I think you'll find that he didn't do anything wrong.
I've sent a few emails to friends claiming that I would kill the president just so that I could test carnivore. I'm curious too. Let us know if they contact you.
According to CNN, he's been under "house arrest" for several years and the taleban will turn him over as soon as we provide proof that he's guilty. Their standard for proof is so high it's just a method for saying they won't turn him over. I'm guessing that "house arrest" == total freedon in this case.
Oh my god, this is so on target. I'm not scared. I'm a freaking red blooded American and competition is our way of life. Whoever did this will die.
America doesn't get pushed around. I wish I was still involved in rescue and I wish I could somehow help with the hunt. In the short term, I'm going to donate blood.
Whoever did this should prepared for the terror in store for them.
Your idea will probably work. Also, I would guess it would make most manager's glimmer with joy. However, I still hate it.
I work for money. Donating my time to my company is contrary to my belief system. They don't donate a damn thing to me. Our relationship is well defined, they pay and I produce.
For an idea like that to be acceptable to me I would need a bonus or a promotion for going "above and beyond" my deliverables. Open source and free code is a wonderful concept. However, I don't write code for my boss when he doesn't pay and he doesn't give me money when I don't work.
It's a fair system. (according to me)
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This is cool. It's like SMP on a chip. Guess we'll call it SUP (Symmetric Uni Processing) .
At work I'll be running WUSUP (Windows Under Symmetric Uni Processing). Of course, I'll pronounce it Waaazzzzzup.:-)
Anyway, this thing is not garbage. I've wondered for a long time why chip designed couldn't do what intel is calling "hyperthreading". It will soon become a reality. I'm excited about it.
And what's up with testing on a ridiculously outdated machine? P166, no MMX, 32 MB RAM? You've gotta be kidding me. If I wanted a browser that worked fast on this configuration, I'd have stuck with Netscape 3.0...
I hear you but I think it's reasonable to test on a slower machine. If he was running a dual Athlon whatever or the latest P4 1.8 whatever it would have been much tougher to see the differenced in performance.
In addition to my technical degrees, I also have an accounting degree. FWIW, accountants generally live and die by their own integrity. It's hammered into us in a big way during our training.
They have no desire to trump up false claims because it would ruin their name. Their name is the most important asset that an accountant has. If I was asked to calculate how much we lost in sales I would probably poll a sample of the pirates (assuming that's possible) and ask them if they would have purchased the product if that was the only way they could have obtained it.
Using that sample I would deduce the total amount of potential revenue lost to theft.
I think the exaggerated claims you're referring to come from lawyers, not accountants. (On a side note: I started to doubt the entire accounting business now that pro forma financial statements are becoming the norm. However, that's unrelated to this topic.)
PS Don't haze me for being off topic. I care about my Karma.
I also work for a large company in RTP that recently had layoffs (Cisco). You're right, projects and departments are usually cut and the people in them are let go regardless of their skill level.
In my experience, larger companies normally work like that. Smaller companies (300 employees or less) tend to look at people and decide if the can live without them. Larger companies look at a department and it's contribution to the bottom line. If you're in the wrong group everybody is toast regardless of their skill set.
I found and answer to my own question at arstechnica. Could I be violating the DMCA by by posting this?
From the 11th of July to the 16th, I was in Las Vegas at the Defcon 9 conference with Dmitryi Sklyarov, an employee of our company, who was giving a talk at the conference. On the morning of June 16, we (with Dmitryi) left the hotel, and prepared to go to the airport. We had about an hour and a half until our flight. Right at the exit, two young men approached us, screaming "Hands on the wall, FBI!". We decided that this is some kind of stupid joke (at the Defcon conference, jokes about the feds have been quite common), and Dmitryi laughed, and even tried to return the joke. However, he was told, in an even more rude way, "Hands on the wall!" They asked me for a key to the hotel room, and invited me for an interview. A little later, they brought Dmitryi into the room. He was already in handcuffs.
Two more employees of the FBI came in, who apparently were covering the street. Dmitryi asked them to cuff his hands in front of him, rather than behind his back, because sitting with his hands cuffed behind his back was uncomfortable. His request was refused. An FBI employee introduced himself, and said that I wasn't being charged with anything, and that they were there to arrest Dmitryi. I was politely asked to talk with them. To my question "What did you arrest Dmitryi for?", they answered that he was accused of violating the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) - an American law about author rights. Adobe Systems is the company bringing charges and a request for an investigation. The FBI people didn't provide any more details, saying that they were just following orders. I was asked several formal questions, to which they already knew answers. They asked that I take Dmitryi's belongings with me, "so that they don't get lost somehow here in America." When I asked them what they will be doing with Dmitryi later, they answered that they were going to take him to the local FBI office, where they will ask some more questions, and then to court, where a judge will be making the final decisions.
All of the above took place in the Alexis Park Hotel, Las Vegas, in the state of Nevada. On the road to Los Angeles I was followed, quite blatantly. As soon as I got to the airport and went to a public phone, a police officer ran up and pretended that he needs to make a call, from the booth next to mine. He didn't actually make any calls.
Cisco is already in this market. They have had products out there for two years now.
I don't think they aspire to own the transport, they just want to profit from increased bandwidth usage and more Cisco devices being sold. They are sticking to standards in this market like they do everywhere else (AFAIK).
Sorry to hear that you were laid off. In my younger days I used to think that it was the same as being fired. Having been through a few lay offs (though never let go) I've seen enough good workers laid off to know that it ofter does not represent the employee's contribution to the company.
Keep your chin up. These big companies are too dumb/blind to know who they are cutting. I hope your next gig is even better.
Well, of course you're an idiot for implying that he's gay based on his font. However, I still agree that it's hard to read. It's a bit better in Opera and Mozilla then it is in Netscape. (On Linux of course)
I don't know why people insist on having white text on a black background. It's just too hard on my eyes.
PS Don't mod me down on off topic. I care about my karma.
Well, accountants in NJ are required to take 7 days of continuing professional education every year. Have been both an accountant and a computer programmer I can tell you that working with computers take at least three times as much continuing ed.
My employer, Cisco, provides up to three weeks of training per year. However, it's up to you (me) to find the training and prove that it applies to my work.
They also provide full tuition reimbursement up to $7,000 per year. This is prompted many of the people I work with, including me, to persue a Master's degree. In addition to that, they buy all the technical books that you need from Fatbrain.
I have been working with computers for ~10 years in ~5 companies. I can tell you without a doubt that Cisco has the most brilliant people I've come across. I believe their devotion to keeping our skillsets current has paid off not only in the work of their current employees but in the attraction of the best and brightest in the industry.
Okay, I've read your comments twice and I see where you're coming from. Sometimes software is slow because developers have coded or designed it poorly because they were lazy or incompetant.
However, that's almost never the case where I'm working (where I'd rather not mention). I work with some absolutely gifted technical peers who are sometimes forced to release crap because of deadlines. I also work with guys who have become drones who pump out crappy software that does it's job because they are only measured on (1) did you hit your deadline (2) did it meet the functional spec.
It's not lazy coders (usually). It's a misguided reward system built by managers that don't know the first thing about software development. They fail to grasp that maintaining this terrible software will cost a fortune in the future.
So before you blame the programmer for being lazy, consider what he's working against.
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Being delisted means that they are not traded on the larger stock exchanges anymore. It's a huge knock on the company's prestige but it's not at all like chapter 11. They company will still be in business and it will be traded on the "pink sheets". There are markets filled with companies like VA Linux on those exchanges.
There are a number of things that must happen to get delisted. Some of them include trading below $5 for an extended length of time, having a market cap under $50 million, etc. (I don't pretend to have them memorized. I'm just fimiliar with them because I worked for a failing company.)
Anyway, even with all the methods of staying listed it seems to me that VA Linux is in danger, just like you pointed out.
So you're a programmer huh? If you're going to through that around as an excuse you should have written
i = a - b
instead of
(a -b) = i
But really I'm just being picky because of the American thing. I'm pretty sure that only citizens of the USA call themselves American.
(PopulationOfWorld - PopulationOfUSA) = BushHaters
It's really unpleasant knowing that someone who likely needs help to solve basic math problems is able to launch enough nuclear weapons to destroy most life on Earth.
Hmm, I'm American and I know that you don't need those parens.
You had me concerned. Slashdot never censors people.
However, it's not gone, it's just moderated down. check it out here.
I don't want him to lob nukes. However, if you look back at what he said to you I think you'll find that he didn't do anything wrong.
I've sent a few emails to friends claiming that I would kill the president just so that I could test carnivore. I'm curious too. Let us know if they contact you.
According to CNN, he's been under "house arrest" for several years and the taleban will turn him over as soon as we provide proof that he's guilty. Their standard for proof is so high it's just a method for saying they won't turn him over. I'm guessing that "house arrest" == total freedon in this case.
Oh my god, this is so on target. I'm not scared. I'm a freaking red blooded American and competition is our way of life. Whoever did this will die.
America doesn't get pushed around. I wish I was still involved in rescue and I wish I could somehow help with the hunt. In the short term, I'm going to donate blood.
Whoever did this should prepared for the terror in store for them.
Your idea will probably work. Also, I would guess it would make most manager's glimmer with joy. However, I still hate it.
I work for money. Donating my time to my company is contrary to my belief system. They don't donate a damn thing to me. Our relationship is well defined, they pay and I produce.
For an idea like that to be acceptable to me I would need a bonus or a promotion for going "above and beyond" my deliverables. Open source and free code is a wonderful concept. However, I don't write code for my boss when he doesn't pay and he doesn't give me money when I don't work.
It's a fair system. (according to me)
This is cool. It's like SMP on a chip. Guess we'll call it SUP (Symmetric Uni Processing) .
:-)
At work I'll be running WUSUP (Windows Under Symmetric Uni Processing). Of course, I'll pronounce it Waaazzzzzup.
Am I responding to flamebait?
Anyway, this thing is not garbage. I've wondered for a long time why chip designed couldn't do what intel is calling "hyperthreading". It will soon become a reality. I'm excited about it.
And what's up with testing on a ridiculously outdated machine? P166, no MMX, 32 MB RAM? You've gotta be kidding me. If I wanted a browser that worked fast on this configuration, I'd have stuck with Netscape 3.0...
I hear you but I think it's reasonable to test on a slower machine. If he was running a dual Athlon whatever or the latest P4 1.8 whatever it would have been much tougher to see the differenced in performance.
I found this on Alan Cox's site. I can't verify it's truth but it was an interesting read.
Imagine Dmitry Sklyarov had been a US citizen seized in eastern europe.
In addition to my technical degrees, I also have an accounting degree. FWIW, accountants generally live and die by their own integrity. It's hammered into us in a big way during our training.
They have no desire to trump up false claims because it would ruin their name. Their name is the most important asset that an accountant has. If I was asked to calculate how much we lost in sales I would probably poll a sample of the pirates (assuming that's possible) and ask them if they would have purchased the product if that was the only way they could have obtained it.
Using that sample I would deduce the total amount of potential revenue lost to theft.
I think the exaggerated claims you're referring to come from lawyers, not accountants. (On a side note: I started to doubt the entire accounting business now that pro forma financial statements are becoming the norm. However, that's unrelated to this topic.) PS Don't haze me for being off topic. I care about my Karma.
I don't think there was anyone who didn't "know" that a new iMac was coming out too. That was pretty much common knowledge.
My point there is that it is hard to know what Apple is going to do next. I bought my iBook three weeks before the expo. It could have happened to me.
I also work for a large company in RTP that recently had layoffs (Cisco). You're right, projects and departments are usually cut and the people in them are let go regardless of their skill level.
In my experience, larger companies normally work like that. Smaller companies (300 employees or less) tend to look at people and decide if the can live without them. Larger companies look at a department and it's contribution to the bottom line. If you're in the wrong group everybody is toast regardless of their skill set.
I found and answer to my own question at arstechnica. Could I be violating the DMCA by by posting this?
From the 11th of July to the 16th, I was in Las Vegas at the Defcon 9 conference with Dmitryi Sklyarov, an employee of our company, who was giving a talk at the conference. On the morning of June 16, we (with Dmitryi) left the hotel, and prepared to go to the airport. We had about an hour and a half until our flight. Right at the exit, two young men approached us, screaming "Hands on the wall, FBI!". We decided that this is some kind of stupid joke (at the Defcon conference, jokes about the feds have been quite common), and Dmitryi laughed, and even tried to return the joke. However, he was told, in an even more rude way, "Hands on the wall!" They asked me for a key to the hotel room, and invited me for an interview. A little later, they brought Dmitryi into the room. He was already in handcuffs.
Two more employees of the FBI came in, who apparently were covering the street. Dmitryi asked them to cuff his hands in front of him, rather than behind his back, because sitting with his hands cuffed behind his back was uncomfortable. His request was refused. An FBI employee introduced himself, and said that I wasn't being charged with anything, and that they were there to arrest Dmitryi. I was politely asked to talk with them. To my question "What did you arrest Dmitryi for?", they answered that he was accused of violating the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) - an American law about author rights. Adobe Systems is the company bringing charges and a request for an investigation. The FBI people didn't provide any more details, saying that they were just following orders. I was asked several formal questions, to which they already knew answers. They asked that I take Dmitryi's belongings with me, "so that they don't get lost somehow here in America." When I asked them what they will be doing with Dmitryi later, they answered that they were going to take him to the local FBI office, where they will ask some more questions, and then to court, where a judge will be making the final decisions.
All of the above took place in the Alexis Park Hotel, Las Vegas, in the state of Nevada. On the road to Los Angeles I was followed, quite blatantly. As soon as I got to the airport and went to a public phone, a police officer ran up and pretended that he needs to make a call, from the booth next to mine. He didn't actually make any calls.
I read the story and all the posts in this forum but I still don't see what Dimitry Sklyarov did. According to Alan Cox, he did nothing.
Can somebody give me a hint of why he was arrested? What's the US government's side of the story?
Cisco is already in this market. They have had products out there for two years now.
I don't think they aspire to own the transport, they just want to profit from increased bandwidth usage and more Cisco devices being sold. They are sticking to standards in this market like they do everywhere else (AFAIK).
Sorry to hear that you were laid off. In my younger days I used to think that it was the same as being fired. Having been through a few lay offs (though never let go) I've seen enough good workers laid off to know that it ofter does not represent the employee's contribution to the company.
Keep your chin up. These big companies are too dumb/blind to know who they are cutting. I hope your next gig is even better.
Well, of course you're an idiot for implying that he's gay based on his font. However, I still agree that it's hard to read. It's a bit better in Opera and Mozilla then it is in Netscape. (On Linux of course)
I don't know why people insist on having white text on a black background. It's just too hard on my eyes.
PS Don't mod me down on off topic. I care about my karma.
Well, accountants in NJ are required to take 7 days of continuing professional education every year. Have been both an accountant and a computer programmer I can tell you that working with computers take at least three times as much continuing ed.
My employer, Cisco, provides up to three weeks of training per year. However, it's up to you (me) to find the training and prove that it applies to my work.
They also provide full tuition reimbursement up to $7,000 per year. This is prompted many of the people I work with, including me, to persue a Master's degree. In addition to that, they buy all the technical books that you need from Fatbrain.
I have been working with computers for ~10 years in ~5 companies. I can tell you without a doubt that Cisco has the most brilliant people I've come across. I believe their devotion to keeping our skillsets current has paid off not only in the work of their current employees but in the attraction of the best and brightest in the industry.
The headline made me want to check out the story. Now that I've read a couple of logs I'm ready to go to sleep.
Okay, I've read your comments twice and I see where you're coming from. Sometimes software is slow because developers have coded or designed it poorly because they were lazy or incompetant.
However, that's almost never the case where I'm working (where I'd rather not mention). I work with some absolutely gifted technical peers who are sometimes forced to release crap because of deadlines. I also work with guys who have become drones who pump out crappy software that does it's job because they are only measured on (1) did you hit your deadline (2) did it meet the functional spec.
It's not lazy coders (usually). It's a misguided reward system built by managers that don't know the first thing about software development. They fail to grasp that maintaining this terrible software will cost a fortune in the future.
So before you blame the programmer for being lazy, consider what he's working against.
Vanguard
I checked it out and he seems fine to me.
unbridled 2 % ping ftp.arl.mil
ftp.arl.army.mil is alive
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