Yes, I noticed now, but correct me if I'm wrong then, but isn't it then useless to compare (and judge) the security these three OS's, because in the end they topple over because of 3rd party aps...
Although it may be true that the Ubuntu machine remained unharmed I remain with a question;
What about flash player for Linux??? The Vista machine was hacked trough a flaw in flash player, but wouldn't that same flaw potentially make the Ubuntu machine vulnerable as well???? Was flash installed on the Ubuntu machine?
This kind of info is important to judge these kinds of results.
Also, I think it is a pitty that the contest didn't restrict itself to the stock OS intsallation without 3rd party apps. Now it's just comparing apples and pears and no real statements can be made about the relative security amongst these OS's
instead you got a beauty contest. Which apple apparently won. You really deserve a prize for they way you could turn this into a "praise Apple and his Jobsness for making such cool kit" fanboyish kind of message.
Surely the Air is nice too look at, but that doesn't take away the fact that Safari is obviously vulnerable, as is it's win32 version btw.
So it's high time OSX came down from it's "we don't have viruses/vulnerabilities" ivory tower.
Then your 2.3 Ghz Core 2 machine must be pants.
Scrolling on FF3b4 makes my 2,2Ghz Core2Duo go from 3% idling to 40% with some maniacal scrolling going on. This on Vista46 SP1...
So let it go already
If the base price of the OS will go down I think it might be a good idea. However, I expect the base price to remain overly inflated and then _on top_ we can start shelling out a premium for every little tiny feature. I hope that by the time this happens OO can rival Office in maturity... then and _only_ then will Linux be a viable alternative (but that's a different discussion, yet it is my personal opinion).
Only if the core Win7 OS would be free and the modules reasonably priced they might be on to something.
Yes, it might be easy to construct. However, if the *really* want to do some serious damage they should build devices that are
1) hard to detect
2) reliable
3) able to explode on a large scale (big cloud of material) or don't explode, yet rely on some form of continuous release.
4) easy to build by their minions
5) deployed intelligently (wind directions, precipitation, etc etc...)
6) contain the particles in a small enough form so that they would enter the respiratory system deep enough
This way they could potentially cause the inhalation of radioactive materials by thousands, if not millions. With all the chronic disease that would follow.
It is highly unlikely that they would succeed in this I think.
I reluctantly called Microsoft support, who asked me for a 25 character (from memory) code, and then read me out another 25 character code which I had to enter to activate Vista.
Wow. Just for changing my hard drive.
I fully intend to downgrade to XP in the near future. Only to find out that WinXP uses the EXACT SAME activation scheme. It also involves calling some hotline and the exchange of lots and lots of digits. And yes, you can also be forced to reactivate WinXP following hardware changes.
So in the future you might do some better research first before coming along with the next fashionable, yet meaningless, M$ is TeH SuCks0rZZZ comment.
Of course you and me know depleted uranium is called 'depleted' for a reason and you'd have to try really hard to get any results off it. But imagine how would a "Joe Average" react to the news: "Manhattan has been contaminated with slightly radioactive Uranium dust. The radiation level is entirely harmless. There is no reason to panic, the radioactive dust will not affect your health." Although I agree that radiation of any kind can be a big source of overpanicking in the the general public I wouldn't go so far as to minimize the things you just described.
I work witch catalysts in our chemical engineering lab. Often these catalysts contain a silica carrier. Silica looks quite harmless and in general it probably is. However, if you spend enough time inhaling it you run a very high risk of developing silicosis and lung cancers later on. You _can_ (but maybe you won't) die of something like this.
Maybe depleted uranium dirty bombs wont have a profound immediate impact but given enough time and high enough levels of contaminant I would hate to be the guy who develops a big fat old ball of cancer in the lungs because some guy found it necessary to set a few of these devices of. If terrorists play it smart they could cause some very vicious long term effects, an epidemic of radiation related ailments. If the bad guys would have the skill and means to actually accomplish something like this is another manner however, so no reason to panic. So in the mean time, some monitoring is not necessarily a bad thing.
At least radiation level monitoring is more useful and less invasive than those freaking customs checks on international flights.
The as-yet unreleased second iteration of iPhone hardware may already be compromised, reports Engadget and News.com. Members of the 'iPhone Dev Team' have (supposedly) made use of the recently released SDK to gin up a Beta 2.0 software I think they got their facts wrong... Apple did not release a new HW platform.
The only real issue comes with restoring your mail: if you tend to use multiple labels with messages, each message will be duplicated for each label. And what if you were to only backup the "all mail" folder? But then you might have to re-label later on.
Anyway... I mostly organize my mail archive in good old folders. This way any one message will only ever have one 'label'. And from within TB you can move these folder trees around like you're working in explorer.
Now if Google would only implement hierarchical labels.
Well... I recently came across a situation where I wanted to migrate some emails from one account to another. So I could understand the need for some type of backup and restore software.
However, you already have software like Imapsize to make backups using imap.gmail.com and even without that; one can easily move GMail messages to your local machine using Thunderbird or most other mail clients.
So indeed, this must be the most redundant piece of software I have ever seen. Either the devs are quite stupid or they really were out to get account info of people...
it would be near impossible to make anything but a vaccine out of this discovery This is not entirely true.
If the mentioned gene encodes a protein it *might* be possible to synthetically produce it and base medication on it, without actually incorporating the gene into a patients genome.
So you're supposed to go online with your antivirus, which was disabled by Vista update, so that you can download a fix for your now not working antivirus so you can be protected from viruses...
Isn't the whole idea of having a running antivirus so that you can go safely online and download sh*t? Isn't the whole idea of running antivirus software that you keep it up-to-date??? This type of software gets updates for a reason. If yours breaks because of SP1 then you are clearly not running the latest version so your computer will be unsafe to begin with... So it's your own damn fault. Don't come moaning.
I really don't understand. First they slag off MS for trying to hard to be backward compatible, thus making no real fundamental security improvements. Now when they make an effort to fundamentally change things they get slagged again for breaking some deprecated software which shouldn't be running anymore to begin with...
Refresh 2 and RTM are not exactly the same mind you, there are some minor differences.
Just yesterday or the day before RTM came available on Connect in the form of either the 5 lang standalone iso, the update pack or a WU enabler.
Windows Vista SP1 RTM Standalone ISO for x86 and x64 Five Languages Release Date 2/6/2008 Size 1,161.72 MB Version 18000.080118-1840 Category Build Milestone RTM Description 0xAC9DC48A 6001.18000.080118-1840_iso_client_sp_wave0-FRMCSP0_DVD.iso
And, if you actually bothered to read my post instead of taking snippets of it and misconstruing them, you would have seen I also indicated that as of yet, the Linux distros dont have anything as powerful yet either. I actually did. I actually repeated your 'Linux doesn't have anything either' statement... So I could use the good old 'read what I wrote' on you as well.
What bothers me about your post or those of others for that matter is the simple fact that if MS tries to do something which turns out a little bit flawed it immediately gets pegged 'flawed', 'utter crap' or any other diminutive term. Even if the competition is equally crap and/or lacking in comparison. I would hardly call that flame bait or trolling. You're being overly sensitive.
If I read some other posts on this topic SOM/DSOM was an equal 'kludge' in many respects:)
But hell... does it really matter? Probably not...
Sadly no - on all counts. In over a decade and a half, no one (but maybe Apple) came close. DSOM/SOM hasn't been worked on in many years, and still, with kludge after kludge, MS cant come close. (some of) The Linux community wanted the WPS open sourced just because of how powerful it was - even though I dont think they even realized that it meant also open sourcing SOM/DSOM. With many attempts at numerous windowing environments, though the Linux community has made both some pretty and some pretty useful windowing environments, they still haven't come close... I use this quote but to me, one thing stands out in reading nearly all posts in this thread;
SOM/DSOM was apparently a very powerful system with some advantages which supposedly make it a desirable tool to have within the Linux environment.
Apparently _nobody_ (this is important) has been able to recreate anything even remotely like it independently from IBM. So _nobody_ succeeded in doing this and yet everybody seems to be very happy to just take some cheap shots at MS for creating their 'kludge' COM+ attempts.
I can't help but feel that that's just stupid. At least they have tried to do something, even if their solution has shortcomings.
People should stop with this whole MS = evil, Linux = good crap. Software platforms should be rated on merit and unless the Linux community comes up with a good solution in this particular case the should probably turn it down a notch or two with their criticisms already..
It is small and light enough. You wouldn't be able to write DVD's but you could use some of the cheaper SD cards instead to send photos home. Those would be more robust and lighter than DVD R's anyway... Besides, with the money you save on the ee you'd be able to buy a bunch of SD cards...
There is a huge difference between the kernel of an OS and the size thereof and any additional (and possibly bloat inducing) software that comes along with it.
The fact that MS is taking the MinWin initiative for what is currently called Windows 7 doesn't at all mean that Microsoft is admitting that Vista probably is bloated to the extreme. Windows 7 will probably be more resource efficient kernel wise, but it will STILL come with all the other crap, I m sure.
Oh and before the Linux fanboys have another crack at Vista -> I like it, it runs well if you tune it with wonderful tools like vLite. And the last time I checked, your average consumer version of Linux (Suse, Fedora,...) comes preloaded with loads of useless crap as well, it's utterly horrible, especially if they use KDE:s
The people that write this kind of opinion peices really should do more research.
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Yes, I noticed now, but correct me if I'm wrong then, but isn't it then useless to compare (and judge) the security these three OS's, because in the end they topple over because of 3rd party aps...
Although it may be true that the Ubuntu machine remained unharmed I remain with a question;
What about flash player for Linux??? The Vista machine was hacked trough a flaw in flash player, but wouldn't that same flaw potentially make the Ubuntu machine vulnerable as well???? Was flash installed on the Ubuntu machine?
This kind of info is important to judge these kinds of results.
Also, I think it is a pitty that the contest didn't restrict itself to the stock OS intsallation without 3rd party apps. Now it's just comparing apples and pears and no real statements can be made about the relative security amongst these OS's
Just my two cents...
Surely the Air is nice too look at, but that doesn't take away the fact that Safari is obviously vulnerable, as is it's win32 version btw.
So it's high time OSX came down from it's "we don't have viruses/vulnerabilities" ivory tower.
...because Safari gets a 98 on Acid3!!! whiiiiii
So don't be a killjoy y'all
Then your 2.3 Ghz Core 2 machine must be pants. Scrolling on FF3b4 makes my 2,2Ghz Core2Duo go from 3% idling to 40% with some maniacal scrolling going on. This on Vista46 SP1... So let it go already
... But what I want to know is if reaching a perfect score necessarily means that the implementations are sound.
... the recently discovered flaws in Win32 Safari spring to mind.
Maybe some quick and dirty code was used that in the end wont prove stable, safe,
It just strike me as odd that Acid 2 compliance took so long as opposed to what we are seeing now with acid 3.
If the base price of the OS will go down I think it might be a good idea. However, I expect the base price to remain overly inflated and then _on top_ we can start shelling out a premium for every little tiny feature. I hope that by the time this happens OO can rival Office in maturity... then and _only_ then will Linux be a viable alternative (but that's a different discussion, yet it is my personal opinion). Only if the core Win7 OS would be free and the modules reasonably priced they might be on to something.
Givin it's importance in the development of nuclear science, it might be nice to preserve it somehow I would think...
Yes, it might be easy to construct. However, if the *really* want to do some serious damage they should build devices that are 1) hard to detect 2) reliable 3) able to explode on a large scale (big cloud of material) or don't explode, yet rely on some form of continuous release. 4) easy to build by their minions 5) deployed intelligently (wind directions, precipitation, etc etc...) 6) contain the particles in a small enough form so that they would enter the respiratory system deep enough This way they could potentially cause the inhalation of radioactive materials by thousands, if not millions. With all the chronic disease that would follow. It is highly unlikely that they would succeed in this I think.
Wow. Just for changing my hard drive.
I fully intend to downgrade to XP in the near future. Only to find out that WinXP uses the EXACT SAME activation scheme. It also involves calling some hotline and the exchange of lots and lots of digits. And yes, you can also be forced to reactivate WinXP following hardware changes.
So in the future you might do some better research first before coming along with the next fashionable, yet meaningless, M$ is TeH SuCks0rZZZ comment.
I work witch catalysts in our chemical engineering lab. Often these catalysts contain a silica carrier. Silica looks quite harmless and in general it probably is. However, if you spend enough time inhaling it you run a very high risk of developing silicosis and lung cancers later on. You _can_ (but maybe you won't) die of something like this.
Maybe depleted uranium dirty bombs wont have a profound immediate impact but given enough time and high enough levels of contaminant I would hate to be the guy who develops a big fat old ball of cancer in the lungs because some guy found it necessary to set a few of these devices of. If terrorists play it smart they could cause some very vicious long term effects, an epidemic of radiation related ailments. If the bad guys would have the skill and means to actually accomplish something like this is another manner however, so no reason to panic. So in the mean time, some monitoring is not necessarily a bad thing.
At least radiation level monitoring is more useful and less invasive than those freaking customs checks on international flights.
But what I want to know is what the performance hit will be on the battery.
Is generation of this plasma more efficient then spinning a small fan?
Well... I recently came across a situation where I wanted to migrate some emails from one account to another. So I could understand the need for some type of backup and restore software.
However, you already have software like Imapsize to make backups using imap.gmail.com and even without that; one can easily move GMail messages to your local machine using Thunderbird or most other mail clients.
So indeed, this must be the most redundant piece of software I have ever seen. Either the devs are quite stupid or they really were out to get account info of people...
If the mentioned gene encodes a protein it *might* be possible to synthetically produce it and base medication on it, without actually incorporating the gene into a patients genome.
How can my previous comment be considered Troll? And days after it was initially considered Informative...
It contains argumentation and is an honest response to the post it is a reply to.
I really don't understand this system of moderation.
Isn't the whole idea of having a running antivirus so that you can go safely online and download sh*t? Isn't the whole idea of running antivirus software that you keep it up-to-date??? This type of software gets updates for a reason. If yours breaks because of SP1 then you are clearly not running the latest version so your computer will be unsafe to begin with... So it's your own damn fault. Don't come moaning.
I really don't understand. First they slag off MS for trying to hard to be backward compatible, thus making no real fundamental security improvements. Now when they make an effort to fundamentally change things they get slagged again for breaking some deprecated software which shouldn't be running anymore to begin with...
Yes, but if you were to install it you would get a notice that the SP1 Refresh 2 will expire at a set date, since it is a testing version...
:)
At least, that is the case here.
So no good installing it I reckon.
But hey, just saw a post on Engadget claiming that MS mistakenly put the full client iso online publicly...
Just yesterday or the day before RTM came available on Connect in the form of either the 5 lang standalone iso, the update pack or a WU enabler. Windows Vista SP1 RTM Standalone ISO for x86 and x64 Five Languages
Release Date 2/6/2008
Size 1,161.72 MB
Version 18000.080118-1840
Category Build
Milestone RTM
Description 0xAC9DC48A 6001.18000.080118-1840_iso_client_sp_wave0-FRMCSP0_DVD.iso
What bothers me about your post or those of others for that matter is the simple fact that if MS tries to do something which turns out a little bit flawed it immediately gets pegged 'flawed', 'utter crap' or any other diminutive term. Even if the competition is equally crap and/or lacking in comparison. I would hardly call that flame bait or trolling. You're being overly sensitive.
If I read some other posts on this topic SOM/DSOM was an equal 'kludge' in many respects
But hell... does it really matter? Probably not...
Cheers mate
SOM/DSOM was apparently a very powerful system with some advantages which supposedly make it a desirable tool to have within the Linux environment.
Apparently _nobody_ (this is important) has been able to recreate anything even remotely like it independently from IBM. So _nobody_ succeeded in doing this and yet everybody seems to be very happy to just take some cheap shots at MS for creating their 'kludge' COM+ attempts.
I can't help but feel that that's just stupid. At least they have tried to do something, even if their solution has shortcomings.
People should stop with this whole MS = evil, Linux = good crap. Software platforms should be rated on merit and unless the Linux community comes up with a good solution in this particular case the should probably turn it down a notch or two with their criticisms already..
Why not go with an eePC??
It is small and light enough. You wouldn't be able to write DVD's but you could use some of the cheaper SD cards instead to send photos home. Those would be more robust and lighter than DVD R's anyway... Besides, with the money you save on the ee you'd be able to buy a bunch of SD cards...
There is a huge difference between the kernel of an OS and the size thereof and any additional (and possibly bloat inducing) software that comes along with it.
...) comes preloaded with loads of useless crap as well, it's utterly horrible, especially if they use KDE :s
The fact that MS is taking the MinWin initiative for what is currently called Windows 7 doesn't at all mean that Microsoft is admitting that Vista probably is bloated to the extreme. Windows 7 will probably be more resource efficient kernel wise, but it will STILL come with all the other crap, I m sure.
Oh and before the Linux fanboys have another crack at Vista -> I like it, it runs well if you tune it with wonderful tools like vLite. And the last time I checked, your average consumer version of Linux (Suse, Fedora,
The people that write this kind of opinion peices really should do more research.