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Silent Microchip 'Fan' Has No Moving Parts

Stony Stevenson writes "Researchers in the US have developed a microchip fan with no moving parts that operates silently and generates enough wind to cool a laptop computer. The solid-state fan, developed with support from the US National Science Foundation (NSF), is touted as the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size. The device produces three times the flow rate of a typical small mechanical fan and is one-fourth the size. The technology has the power to cool a 25W chip with a device smaller than one cubic-cm and can someday be integrated into silicon to make self-cooling chips, according to the researchers."

136 comments

  1. Make me read the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    To find out how it works?

    Fuck you.

    He explained that RSD5 incorporates a series of live wires that generate a micro-scale plasma (an ion-rich gas that has free electrons that conduct electricity).

    The wires lie within uncharged conducting plates that are contoured into half-cylindrical shapes to partially envelop the wires.

    Within the intense electric field that results, ions push neutral air molecules from the wire to the plate, generating a wind. The phenomenon is called corona wind.

    1. Re:Make me read the article... by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Funny

      The phenomenon is called corona wind.

      And the product is called Ionic Breeze

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    2. Re:Make me read the article... by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      The phenomenon is called corona wind.


      And the product is called Ionic Breeze


      I thought a Corona wind was me burping after chugging a beer.
    3. Re:Make me read the article... by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That was my first thought as well. I have an Ionic Breeze, and when I don't clean it regularly (once a week) it makes loud crackling noises and begins producing small electric arcs. Who is going to clean their CPU fan weekly?

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    4. Re:Make me read the article... by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Will this produce the same ozone (O3) emissions that the Ionic breeze does? It's not a huge deal for just one chip-sized cooler in a house (after all, people still buy the Ionic Breeze, which is much larger), but in a whole ton of racked servers in a closed room it could pretty easily exceed indoor air quality guidelines. Just another thing to endanger the health of server nerds. :)

    5. Re:Make me read the article... by Malevolyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm curious as to why it's still called a "fan," considering the prime element that makes a fan an actual fan would be the spinning blades that move the air. Wouldn't this just be more of a "cooling device?"

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    6. Re:Make me read the article... by gitargr8 · · Score: 0
      From TFA:

      is the underlying technology in many consumer and industrial products, from silent household air purifiers and photocopiers to electrostatic precipitators and some lasers.

      I would say that's a big yes, assuming this is similar to the Ionic Breeze, which does create ozone.

      I wouldn't worry about health aspects, though, as this just means we can start putting servers in the stratosphere and take care of those pesky holes in the ozone layer...
    7. Re:Make me read the article... by Neodudeman · · Score: 0

      Aww man, blown!

    8. Re:Make me read the article... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is an alloy that catalyzes 2O3 into 3O2. It has been proposed (by the company that makes it and has the patent) to mandate it for radiator grills in cars to remove ground-level smog. An excellent idea, but also a really tight-fist business move; then again, a 14 year patent on this is just what patents are for; it'll take 5-10 years to really get the ball rolling on sales with this to make some money, then the last few to recover cost, then they can stop squeezing the industry's balls and everyone makes their own.

    9. Re:Make me read the article... by sarahbau · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My car (Volvo S40) has this coating on its radiator. I'm not sure how many other cars have it, but it seems cheap enough that it shouldn't affect the cost of a car to put it on all of them.

    10. Re:Make me read the article... by schnibitz · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is an atrocity! First they silence the CPU fans, then what? What about their civil rights? These people have a right to be excited about their CPUs dangit! I condemn these acts.

    11. Re:Make me read the article... by atlastiamborn · · Score: 1

      When they came for the CPU,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a CPU.

      When they locked up the GPU,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a GPU.

      When they came for the PSU,
      I did not speak out;
      I was not a PSU.

      When they came for the AC,
      I remained silent;
      I wasn't an AC.

      When they came for me,
      there was no one left to speak out.

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    12. Re:Make me read the article... by Whiteox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who is going to clean their CPU fan weekly? Naah! All you need is a small fan to blow air through those little tubes to keep it dust free! :)
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    13. Re:Make me read the article... by cloakable · · Score: 2, Funny

      Win! Just attach a bottle to it, catch the O3, and send it up to the hole in the ozone layer! :P Computers: Is there any problem they can't solve?

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    14. Re:Make me read the article... by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

      There is a titanium-based paint that does this, too.

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    15. Re:Make me read the article... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      after all, people still buy the Ionic Breeze
      Sharper Image got into quite a bit of hot water over the Ionic Breeze. Consumer Reports considers the level of ozone emitted harmful and many lawsuits resulted. Ultimately Sharper Image lost a class action lawsuit over the Ionic Breeze and the company has since filed for bankruptcy protection.
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    16. Re:Make me read the article... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I think the best solution to this is to have the wind travel in an enclosed copper tube, and have the gas inside be better than air with heat transfer. Put radiator fins on the inside and outside of the tube, and you've got yourself a nice quiet cooling system with no burning dust.

    17. Re:Make me read the article... by chuck · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's called a "fan" so that people know what it is and what it's used for. Just a thought.

    18. Re:Make me read the article... by RaySt · · Score: 1

      It's as much a "fan" as memory cards for cameras are "digital film".

    19. Re:Make me read the article... by Xacid · · Score: 1

      I'm glad someone else was thinking the same thing. It's such an absurd trade off to me. There are plenty of ways to deal with heat and making computers start putting out more net emissions than cars would definitely be one way not worth pursuing.

    20. Re:Make me read the article... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and they produce a lot of O3-- a good thing in the stratosphere, but not a good thing to be breathing a lot of down here. See here.

    21. Re:Make me read the article... by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      It has been proposed (by the company that makes it and has the patent) to mandate it...

      Trying to get the government to make a law to force people to buy my widget. Now that's chutzpa.

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    22. Re:Make me read the article... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yes, hence why I pointed that out. Mind you it makes general health sense, but there's other motivation. And why not? I can do a little pure good if it lines my pockets and gets me laid too... nobody has to get hurt....

  2. The ionic breeze... by MacDork · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just when you thought anti-gravity was dead for good. Hey, at least this thing sounds like it will work as advertised...

    1. Re:The ionic breeze... by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the same day they announce the "best invention since the heat pipe", someone announces a better heat pipe---the room temperature super conductor! back to back articles annihilate.

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    2. Re:The ionic breeze... by electrictroy · · Score: 1

      So this thing uses ions.

      Don't ions produce Ozone?

      Isn't ozone dangerous to breathe, especially in a small confined space like a house? Sounds like a bad design to me.

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    3. Re:The ionic breeze... by sentientbeing · · Score: 1

      Its ok. You just use another fan to blow all the ozone away.
       
      But bigger this time.

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  3. nothing new.. by miknix · · Score: 5, Informative

    .. using ionic winds to cool the CPU isn't a new idea:

        http://inventgeek.com/Projects/IonCooler3/overview.aspx

    1. Re:nothing new.. by TerranFury · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed. What's the date on that project? I didn't see one on the website. Me, I had posted a similar idea on the Halfbakery years ago: Here it is. I guess this is an idea lots of people come up with?

      The novel part here, I'd say, is micromachining the thing on the die.

    2. Re:nothing new.. by snl2587 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Granted, the idea of using ionic wind isn't revolutionary, but I think the size is. One cubic centimeter for a 25W chip? Damn.

    3. Re:nothing new.. by eclectic4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "..is touted as the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size (no mention of it being a "new" idea). The device produces three times the flow rate of a typical small mechanical fan and is one-fourth the size. The technology has the power to cool a 25W chip with a device smaller than one cubic-cm..."

      I think the above is what's important. I believe the title of the article is just a tad misleading...

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    4. Re:nothing new.. by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      I wish he would have estimated the CFM on that! If it's comparable to the whole 3x the air flow at 1/4 the size thing, that thing would start a small tornado in his case lol. Then again it doesn't have alleys and scoops like the attached image in the article so I don't think it's really, truly designed for maximized airflow. Pretty neat though. You know what I'm thinking is if they could line the inside walls of an air intake in a car or better yet assemble a bunch of those super high CFM chip coolers in a row in fins and put them inside the air intake, that could blast more air into the engine than a supercharger! Not that you'd want to exceed like 8 PSI but it sounds like this would make it a lot easier to get to 8 PSI with minimal electrical energy. That and you could built a bad ass movie hurricane fan lol.

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    5. Re:nothing new.. by dlinear · · Score: 1

      I think the point is missed. This technology can exist on the microchip, thereby avoiding any additional fan to cool the chip. (Albeit it mechanical, water-cooled, or yes even ionic wind CPU coolers [very cool indeed]). That's news to me.

    6. Re:nothing new.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you replied to the grandparent post, what does your comment have to do with the article being about technology that is nothing new? Or did you just want to be posted near the top? Because it's kind of confusing.

    7. Re:nothing new.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Baked Beans have no moving parts but can generate enormous amounts of wind ... though I dont think it has been applied to CPU cooling yet. Now if the innovation had generated air flow instead of wind my comment would not be as punworthy.

    8. Re:nothing new.. by LLKrisJ · · Score: 1

      But what I want to know is what the performance hit will be on the battery.

      Is generation of this plasma more efficient then spinning a small fan?

    9. Re:nothing new.. by epine · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ... touted as the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size ... With that glowing endorsement, it's possible that in terms of absolute efficiency (power consumption/rate of air flow) it blows goats.

      The automotive industry pulls this stunt all the time. Some lame-mass product is designated "best in class" by Kudos-For-Sale Inc. and the reader is left to wonder if the "class" includes any other models by any other manufacturer, or if the entire class is just the same useless car available with 17 different trim configurations.

      In Detroit, the primary criteria over whether two vehicles belong in different classes is whether either vehicles incorporates superior technology. The golden rule is never to compare one thing to another thing that might actually be better.

      Cooling 25W has no information content, unless operating delta_T over ambient is also given. Useless. Comparison failed.

      I've been waiting for this targeted advertising thing to kick into gear.

      I have an exceptionally long lumbar region, so I have the seated height of an average person who is 6'7". I see all these car ads promising "more leg room" than a Samizdat, "more head room" than a Clonazipan. O RLY?

      My typical seated posture is a 45 degree recline so my head doesn't scuff the sun roof. My head is well back into the seat behind me. With a foot long tongue I could lick the dome light. This includes most "full sized" pick-up trucks.

      Problem: by the time my head is no longer bumping the canopy, my shoulders are positioned so far back in the cabin my arms can no longer reach the steering wheel. The next thing I do is slam the seat forward until my knees physically strike the dashboard. Then I can reach the steering wheel, operate the pedals, *and* see the traffic lights (dimly, through the windscreen tint).

      This is my typical experience of "more leg room".

      I'll believe in targeted advertising the first time Google tells me "you would be so squashed inside this 'roomy' contraption, after a week you'd park it in neutral and roll it over a cliff face".

      Unfortunately, much science reporting has caught this disease from Detroit. The next landmark for Google is to be able to summarize this kind bad technology PR as "uselessly claims to cool 25W without disclosing operating delta_T over ambient". *That* would be Turing test worth passing.

      If the ads were similarly useful, I might for the first time in my life click on one.
  4. Cool! by camperdave · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm sure by now someone has said "Cool!"

    So this thing works similar to an ion drive. A stream of ions from one wire to another drags the surrounding air with it, generating wind. The last entry here has a good graphic.

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    1. Re:Cool! by bubulubugoth · · Score: 2

      So, thats how the TIE fighter engines work :D

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    2. Re:Cool! by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      How cool(cold) is it, though? My Ionic Pro has a heat signature.

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    3. Re:Cool! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I'd be much more worried about the high voltage charge right next to the delicate silicon circuitry, myself.

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  5. just a few seconds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...until someone tags this whatcouldpossiblygowrong.

    1. Re:just a few seconds... by Lewrker · · Score: 0

      The only thing that makes me sicker than that tag is people complaining about it in every single story. I know I'm feeding a troll, but the Internet is serious business.

    2. Re:just a few seconds... by Crazy_CorranH · · Score: 2

      >but the Internet is serious business.

      Which Internet are you using? 'Cause I don't think it is the same one I'm using

    3. Re:just a few seconds... by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Did you eject the ion pod before going to read alert? Is Finney still hiding within the heatsink?

    4. Re:just a few seconds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the NAME of the chip is RSD5, I was expecting thatsnomoon. Just one more feather in the cap for Sienar Fleet Systems. Next it'll be levitating laptops off your lap entirely, though some may find their lack of weight disturbing.

    5. Re:just a few seconds... by greenguy · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we could come up with some sort of arrangement where this tag is removed once someone identifies something that could possibly go wrong.

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    6. Re:just a few seconds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would, but I don't know how to tag things... do you need good karma to?

    7. Re:just a few seconds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because everyone knows that static electricity is the friend of electronics. :)

  6. Now this should be on the list... by The+Ancients · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The TR list discussed here, that is: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/12/176227

    This I can see as having many applications, including those rather warm MacBookAirs ;-)

  7. Twelve? by Dannkape · · Score: 1

    If it is 3 times "stronger", at 1/4th the size, why not say it is 12 times as efficient as a conventional fan?

    1. Re:Twelve? by Sepiraph · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because this way it gives you more information on both size and efficency factors and a better idea than simply saying 12 times as strong (some information is lost).

    2. Re:Twelve? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Because it's more informative to say the way they did? The queen mary 2 has an awesome cooling source (the ocean) making it thousands of times more efficient than a fan, but I'm not bolting the EQ2 to my cpu.

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    3. Re:Twelve? by Sunthalazar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, if you are saying "efficient", in my mind that means Cooling per Watt, which they *didn't* mention.

      I was very curious to know how many Watts it would take to cool a 25W microchip. If it is taking 50W whereas a fan would take 10mW.

      I believe that Peltier's suffer from this. They are nice fanless systems that can cool below ambient temperature. But it takes more that 1 W per 1 W of cooling.

    4. Re:Twelve? by johnw · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "effective", not "efficient". Using the QM2 to cool your CPU would be incredibly inefficient.

  8. Timing is everything by cizoozic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just in time for Room-Temperature Superconductors! Oh monkeytrumpets.

    But seriously, it sounds pretty... cool... and the article suggests that it uses plasma on extremely small scale, which is also pretty nifty. My concern would be dust. Every laptop I've had turns into a dustbuster that continuously cleans my desk. Unfortunately the collection cup (the fan and ducting) isn't easily removable. Maybe just use two of them in series but configure the first as an Ionic Breeze? Isn't that essentially what this thing is anyway? If it is, I don't know how the Ionic Breeze descriptions managed to omit the word PLASMA in their Sharper Image ads.

    1. Re:Timing is everything by s_p_oneil · · Score: 1

      You're right about the dust. I had an Ionic Breeze air purifier, and the static charge it had made it a dust magnet. I have pets and hardwood floors (which increases the amount of dust you have floating around the house because there's no carpet for it to get caught in), so the thing had to be cleaned all the time, and when it was dirty it made an incredible amount of noise.

    2. Re:Timing is everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had an Ionic Breeze air purifier, and the static charge it had made it a dust magnet.

      I... I believe that's rather the point.

  9. Re:ssh... by MentlFlos · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our ssh... overlords. Encrypted tunneling overlords?
  10. That's hot. by Bovius · · Score: 1

    I would definitely consider this for a low-noise workstation setup, assuming it scaled properly. Probably wouldn't provide enough cooling power for the beefier processors, but I bet it could be adapted for a mid-range desktop machine. Silence is golden.

    Yeah, I know, there's so much more you could do with this than providing quiet cooling for a budget system. I see new tech and the first thing I think about is rednecking it onto old tech.

  11. Some technical info and pic... by fractalrock · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. Bah by od05 · · Score: 1

    Like Static Bars? I use these at work, they put out quite a bit of wind with no moving parts...Nothing to see here... http://www.simco-static.com/data/PLStaticBars.shtml

  13. Intel Nehalem by Armon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this technology finds its way onto Intel Nehalem... SSD + SS Fan = Dead silent laptop Now if only we could get batteries 12 times more efficient

    1. Re:Intel Nehalem by Zymergy · · Score: 4, Funny

      It could then be marketed to gamers and called: "Silent, But Deadly!"

    2. Re:Intel Nehalem by Alarindris · · Score: 1

      http://www.physorg.com/news117212815.html

      Well, maybe only 10 times...

    3. Re:Intel Nehalem by Magada · · Score: 1

      We probably willget "batteries" a gazillion times more efficient. Such a superconducting loop can store huge amounts of juice - forever, for free.

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  14. Wouldn't that pollute ozone? by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

    Ooh, more O2 for your Li-Ion fires!

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    1. Re:Wouldn't that pollute ozone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does the production of O3 produce more O2?

    2. Re:Wouldn't that pollute ozone? by EkriirkE · · Score: 1

      It doesn't; I'm retarded.

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    3. Re:Wouldn't that pollute ozone? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      203=302
      Same amount of atoms, but you get an extra 02 molecule.

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  15. I wonder by no-body · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how this would held up in a dusty environment - Q-Tips still working?

    1. Re:I wonder by Pollux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, this is a very good point that the parent brings up. The way corona discharge is possible is to push a very high voltage with very low amperage through a very small electrode. The high voltage creates the ion flow, but the low amperage prevents arcing from occuring. However, if a pool of dust collects between the electrodes, you'll have an easy path for the electricity to arc across.

      Not to mention that you better not drop a screw in the case while it's in operation! Or a screwdriver, or a paper clip, or other random metalic objects.

      Brilliant idea, neat application, but there's always a risk involved when you're playing with high voltage, even micro-amps worth.

    2. Re:I wonder by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't an arc just fry the dust bunny, annihilating it instantaneously, releasing a burst of fragrance similar to burning hair? That's a pretty neat trick for a laptop.

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    3. Re:I wonder by Yetihehe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just like in piezoelectric gas lighters. They have typically thousands of volts.

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    4. Re:I wonder by bryce4president · · Score: 1

      Does your power supply produce more than 120V? The other day I got shocked by an electrical outlet I was changing (damn low batteries in a volt meter makes them lie!) and didn't have the power off to it. Even at the normal amperage of an outlet I got a little buzz in my hand but by no means was I in any serious danger. Take almost all the amperage out of 120V and would have hardly felt a thing...soooo.... where's the danger?

  16. self cooling chips very very cool by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 1

    When I read the title about a microchip fan, I thought they were talking about micromechanics--I may have the name wrong but I'm talking about tiny miniature mechanical systems that can be integrated into a chip-like package, like a microscopic gearbox that was demonstrated a while back. But this is way cooler: Generating a tiny corona wind by way of physics and chemistry to create a flow of air is definitely a breakthrough, and in retrospect (which is always 20/20), using a fan to cool a chip is rather the brute-force method. I really hope to see self-cooling chips with this technology. They mentioned the lack of sound. Imagine the upcoming laptops with solid state hard drives having a solid state cooling system too. Totally silent computing! Not to mention what it will do for battery life.

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  17. Great but.... by Assassin+bug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proprietary product produced via NSF funding at Prudue University (a public Land Grant university)? Hasn't there been some talk about public access to NSF-funded research?

    1. Re:Great but.... by Afromelonhead · · Score: 1

      Well, Purdue likes to go out there and commercialize the technology that they have. Plenty of them go through the Purdue Research Foundation... apparently including this one.

      In fact, there's a booming research park north of campus that has a lot of these companies.

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    2. Re:Great but.... by Assassin+bug · · Score: 1

      Sure. That's my point. I wonder if these companies will be granted an exemption from the you-used-public-funds so you-share-your-research legislation that may one day come off the political floor.

    3. Re:Great but.... by msouth · · Score: 1

      Look up the Bayh-Dole act.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayh-Dole_Act

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    4. Re:Great but.... by Assassin+bug · · Score: 1

      Very interesting! Thank you! This seems to raise even more questions regarding the reconciliation of public funds and private industry.

    5. Re:Great but.... by ChangelingJane · · Score: 1

      If there are any problems with the NSF, I'm sure Paul and JC Denton will take care of it.

  18. High-End Personal Cooling Fan? by resistant · · Score: 1

    I admit to not having a clue about it, but wonder if these devices could be stacked to make a very thin personal cooling fan. It'd probably be a tad expensive, but I can see a market for it even so, especially in offices. If nothing else, it'd be a new toy for the moderately wealthy, leading to larger economies of scale that let ordinary slobs like us own it too. What with all this talk about ions, I wonder if it could be tweaked to pump out negative ions, which allegedly improve mood.

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  19. "Of its size" by Guppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the most powerful and energy efficient fan of its size. "Of its size" is the important part. From what I can tell, it's not that the device is so much more efficient that rotary fans in general, but that rotary fans do not scale down in size -- if you look at a 25mm PC cooling fans, the motor hub takes up most of the tiny cross-section available, leaving little stubby fins that manage to move only a pittance despite whining at high RPMs.
  20. Sounds like BS. by Blice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From plasma discharge, to omitting ozone, to collecting dust... This thing sounds like way too much trouble than it's worth. While the concept sounds amazing and I would love to be able to implement these into UMPCs and laptops, it's just going to do more harm than good.

    1. Re:Sounds like BS. by g-san · · Score: 1

      Not even if it lets us live happier, more fulfilled lives?!!?

      Looking at my ionic air purifier and already thinking no freaking way. Why not just hook up your clothes dryer vent to your PC case, pop out the lint screen, toss a few towels in and pray.

  21. Hooray for Ozone generators! by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just what I don't need, free-radical generators. Not only is it a component of smog, but it's bad for organic substances as well. No thanks, I'll stick with a ball-bearing fan.

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    1. Re:Hooray for Ozone generators! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your ball bearing fan, you know the one with a small motor that contains windings and brushes, doesn't generated ozone?

    2. Re:Hooray for Ozone generators! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      A brushmotor might create ozone, but at low voltages it's not likely to make a significant amount. If it's an induction motor there need be no exposed wires; there's not going to be measurable ozone.

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    3. Re:Hooray for Ozone generators! by afidel · · Score: 1

      Brushless designs are more efficient and more durable anyways.

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  22. one-fourth? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1, Troll

    It's called a quarter ffs.

  23. Not completely recent by Afromelonhead · · Score: 1

    From the looks of a report on Purdue's website, it's been undergoing research since at least 2003.

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  24. Not as cool as it looks. . . by puppetluva · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hear that the only downside to this new technology is that it throws off a lot of heat.

    I hate to burst your bubble, Fanbois. . .

    ba-dum, bum

  25. Learn English. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one-fourth the size It's "a quarter of the size".
    1. Re:Learn English. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Umm... one-fourth is English.

  26. Size doesn't include power supply by mpoulton · · Score: 1

    It appears that the size comparisons for this device do not include the dimensions of the high voltage power supply needed to operate it. It's possible that the efficiency numbers don't include the power supply conversion efficiency either. Since small, efficient high voltage power supplies tend to be highly nontrivial and somewhat expensive to build, that is a significant hurdle to adoption. Consider the size and power draw of the inverter needed to power the backlight in a laptop, and now consider that the voltage required by this fan is about 10 times higher. Efficiency of power supplies drops with increasing voltage ratios, too. I would say this is a significant problem for commercialization of this idea.

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  27. Mod up parent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not off topic

  28. One practical question... by purpleraison · · Score: 1

    Does it have lips?

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  29. I'm more concerned about ESD. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Informative

    Will this produce the same ozone (O3) emissions that the Ionic breeze does?

    Yes.

    And if nothing is done to react it back harmlessly the ozone will corrode downwind metals and degrade downwind plastics.

    But I'm more concerned about the leftover ions that are carried past the plates. Those can accumulate very high charges (even beyond the voltage used to create the ions) on downstream surfaces. This could destroy semiconductors (if they carry more power when arcing over than the ESD protection can handle) as well as corrupt data (through direct signal injection, capacitive coupling of surges, and mini-EMPs).

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    1. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuckin' awesome

    2. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by Hao+Wu · · Score: 5, Insightful
      1) Move production to a country where those issues get ignored.

      2) Blame that country when customers complain of poor quality and health risks.

      3) Hire lawyers, lobby congress, and profit.

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    3. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

      mini-EMPs

      I'm suddenly having visions of two anthill armies going to war and launching little tiny tac-nukes at each other.

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    4. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by jabuzz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also their claims of silent are bogus. Simple fact is the much of the noise from fans comes from the noise as the air blows over the heatsink etc. and not from the fan itself. As this design still has air being blown over heatsinks it will make noise.

    5. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by neonfrog · · Score: 1

      Umm ... take the fan off the heat sink and miraculously, it still makes a lot of noise.

      Fan noise comes from several places: the bearings in the fan (how many, what construction, what tolerance and spacing, what lubrication, etc), the tiny-ness of the blades, and the RPM it spins at. A small fraction of the noise might be from the air pathways of the heat sink, but it is not the loudest part in my experience.

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    6. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by emilper · · Score: 1

      And if nothing is done to react it back harmlessly the ozone will corrode downwind metals and degrade downwind plastics.

      That's easy ... just fill the server room with CFCs and install a big lamp with ultraviolet light. Leftover ions ? Ground the whole building. To make sure, fill the whole building with CFCs, ultraviolet light lamps and make it out of steel.

      "What about the users ?" Who needs users when you can have a life size simulation of an "evil alien spaceship" to play with ?

    7. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current versions of the Ionic Breeze have plates to convert the O3 back to O2. It would be simple to include something similar as part of these devices.

      My biggest concern is what many others have mentioned. The Ionic Breeze collects dust on purpose and was designed to be easily cleaned. The front of my Ionic Breeze gets dirty and that is beyond the area where the wind blows over the collectors. Anything in the path of the wind generated by these "fans" will collect dust and will need to be cleaned on a regular basis.

    8. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by andphi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, a literal atomic weapon!

      Anthill one: We have one atom of Weapons-grade uranium, and we know how to use it!

      Anthill two: We have three atoms and we're not afraid to use them!

      Anti-nuke protest ants: You must dismantle your weapons! No nukes in the back yard! The walking mountains and the walking forests already have weapons and sprays! Bite them, not each other!

      Anthill three, which never admitted it also had Uranium atoms Ok. We'll dismantle our weapon. *BOOM go the protest ants* Who's next?

    9. Re:I'm more concerned about ESD. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      much of the noise from fans comes from the noise as the air blows over the heatsink etc. and not from the fan itself.

      This is largely a myth. Unless you have super high air-speed fans, the turbulence is a minor noise generator. With the popularity of low speed and 80mm+ fans, this situation has almost entirely disappeared.

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  30. Jet engine version by heroine · · Score: 1

    So when does the jet engine version come out?

  31. Enough wind to cool a laptop computer? by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

    ...a microchip fan with no moving parts that operates silently and generates enough wind to cool a laptop computer.

    Well, if I eat a couple of bean burritos, I can usually generate that much wind easily.

    Unfortunately, it's seldom silent or cool. :-/

    1. Re:Enough wind to cool a laptop computer? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The idea is to cool the laptop, not melt it!

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    2. Re:Enough wind to cool a laptop computer? by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 1

      Or suffocate in the process. :\

  32. Efficiency by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm, what they are not saying is that they are likely using 30W of power to cool a 25W chip...

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  33. Working Fluid by skelly33 · · Score: 1

    Curious, if anyone here knows, is "air" the only possible/practical working fluid for something like this? Could it be immersed in some sort of liquid solution to produce a similar "flow" effect without the need for a pump to use liquid cooling, or stray Ozone?

    1. Re:Working Fluid by irondonkey · · Score: 1

      Already been done: Tom's Hardware

  34. OT - Your Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  35. Way Cool! by BanjoBob · · Score: 1

    I found the articles fascinating and... Way Cool (pun intended).

    The High-Velocity aspect of the fan v. volumes was also very interesting. Faster isn't always better.

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  36. Well? by desk003 · · Score: 1

    Can I get one for my house?

  37. electromagnetic? by cyberzephyr · · Score: 1

    Any tiny thing with a tiny coil around it and hook it to a battery will result in flight if you let it!

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  38. Think positively by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, think positively: finally it'll be possible to have a nVidia north-bridge that does't have the equivalent of a fighter jet fan to cool it. (Or at least sounds like it's going to take off and smash into the mandatory case window.)

    Ok, so it might build up static and fry the CPU. Big deal. If you bought one of those babies just to run 6-way SLI (3 slot x 2 GPU per 9800GX2 card), you don't want to hang on to one CPU for too long anyway. The CPU is the bottleneck in that setup, and is keeping your preciouss 3DMark score low. If you don't upgrade it immediately when a higher frequency becomes available, and post your new 3DMark scores immediately, your willy-waving rights might be at stake. Worse yet, people might start thinking you're a girl! ;)

    So just think of the static buildup as a gentle reminder to upgrade ASAP.

    Plus, ok, so you already have every colour of led fan, near UV tubes, glowing SATA cables, and glowing dye in the water-cooling water. Big deal. Every cool kid has those nowadays. Just having a good look at the innards of a computer which looks like a terror attack at a clown makeup factory, only gets you so much willy-waving rights nowadays. So where do you go from there? A few electric sparks and a nice St. Elmo's fire discharge around the PSU and HDD connectors might just add that extra touch.

    Everyone will be in awe of that computer at the next LAN party. If they move their stuff away from you and inquire politely about a fire extinguisher, it's just a sign that they're humbled by your greatness and know that their lame-ass girlie rig would look like loser-gear next to yours ;)

    Plus, there's probably some paint around that glows when hit by those ions. Like that stuff they put in fluorescent lights. Imagine having a bad-ass glowing logo on your case's window. Now that would proclaim you as "T3H UB3R-L33T H4XXX0R". I mean, it's simply hardcore ;)

    Sure, you might lose the contents of that HDD now and then, but it's not too bad. Windows fills with crud anyway, and eventually it might affect those preciouss 3DMark scores. A reformat now and then will do the sucker a world of good.

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    1. Re:Think positively by anthonys_junk · · Score: 1

      You're funny. Wish I could give you a mod point.

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  39. Am by EEDAm · · Score: 1

    'The phenomenon is called corona wind'.... Hell how's that news? Corona's been giving me wind for years.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(beer)

  40. Oh, it said self-COOLING chips... by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    ...for a second I thought it said self-COOKING chips. We already have those.

  41. Not sure this would be marketable to the /. crowd by guitarhacker · · Score: 1

    ...as I'm sure most are already quite able to generate all the wind needed - and them some!

  42. Does the blue light turn red to tell you by crovira · · Score: 1

    the corona discharge plates are filthy and need to be cleaned?

    I use the technology already to keep my office/recording studio air clean.

    Nothing to see here.

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  43. Cheap plasma speakers? by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    If these things are mass-produced and cheap, I can see people experimenting with modulating the high voltage to use them as plasma tweeters:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_arc_loudspeaker

    In the past, such tweeters have been used in a few expensive high end loudspeakers, but if it is shown they can be built cheaply they might become more common.

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  44. Overpriced by dj245 · · Score: 1

    That kit is pretty overpriced. The circuit is basically just a ladder of capacitors, with terminals at the appropriate points. You can get the circuit diagram on the web, but you may not even need that with some knowledge of capacitors. I built one about a year ago- not for tinkering with ionic breeze but for shocking the heck out of people. If you ground one side (aluminum foil on your shoe) and stick the other electrode to your body, you shock anyone who touches you.

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  45. Give me an O! Give me a Zone. Or don't. by BForrester · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does this produce ozone? -- because that would be bad.

    The article seems to imply that the "wind" has a neutral charge, but that's generally not how ionic wind works. (Molecules with a charge are pushed away from a like-charged surface).

  46. Tip-driven fans? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    "Of its size" is the important part. From what I can tell, it's not that the device is so much more efficient that rotary fans in general, but that rotary fans do not scale down in size -- if you look at a 25mm PC cooling fans, the motor hub takes up most of the tiny cross-section available, leaving little stubby fins that manage to move only a pittance despite whining at high RPMs. I wonder if tip-driven fans would work at those sizes. I used to see them being sold in 80mm and 92mm sizes, but they weren't much more than case modding toys. I thought they would be really handy for replacing tiny hub motor fans.
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  47. Nobody learned anything from Volvo. by gr8scot · · Score: 1

    A corporation has legal rights to exclusive use of a good idea, but doesn't sell it to the market on Open Source terms, competing with other companies to provide the best implementation of that idea at the lowest cost. Alert the presses!

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  48. Re: They're coming to take you away, ha ha by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.
    What, did they take your sound card, too?
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