A lot of what your talking about has been deployed to over 20 buisness locations and a horde more home sites here in Portland Oregon by a group called the Personal Telco Project.
http://www.personaltelco.net
We use NoCat on linux based boxes and it covers most of what your looking to do. You can set up Auth or simply a Splash, you can do throttling, shaping and the like, you can set up local content areas for biz and community use.
Its amazing what older PCs and low cost APs can do. Most of the stuff is easy to install, the few rough spots, like NoCat, have been feild tested and methodologies have been crafted to make it easier to set and and maintain.
Come on over to the url posted above for more information or head to #ptp on irc.freenode.net and ask for more info.
This is not the first time the PTP has run into a snag trying to offer free net access. Back a while ago there was a slight problem with the then new Starbucks hotposts at the "heart" of the city.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.s sf ?/xml/story.ssf/html_stand ard.xsl?/base/front_pa ge/102975810817580.xml
08/19/02 JEFFREY KOSSEFF and ERIC HAND
The world's biggest barista and a grass-roots group are squaring off in a wireless game of chicken at Pioneer Courthouse Square.
On one end stands Starbucks, which this week likely will begin marketing a paid service that lets its customers in Portland's living room connect their laptops wirelessly to the Internet. On the other is Personal Telco, a local group of computer hobbyists, which has provided the same service for free in the square since February.
Sure, there's room on the wireless spectrum for peaceful coexistence. But Starbucks, using wireless carrier T-Mobile, is transmitting its signal on the same channel Personal Telco has used for the past six months. Neither has budged.
The result? Both Starbucks customers and Personal Telco members may face slower speeds on the suddenly crowded channel.
The battle illustrates a growing problem with the increasingly popular technology known as wireless fidelity, or "Wi-Fi." Unlike cell phones, it operates on an unlicensed spectrum, so experts expect such disputes will become more common as demand grows.
Like cordless phones and walkie-talkies, nobody can own Wi-Fi's spectrum, and federal regulators have little authority over it, said Dale Hatfield, former chief of the Federal Communications Commission's Office of Engineering and Technology.
"There's no prior claims; there's no squatter's rights; there's nothing like that," said Hatfield, now a telecommunications professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder. "You both have to try to live with each other. I can't imagine why one wouldn't voluntarily move to one of the other channels that has less interference."
Adam Shand can imagine. The founder of Personal Telco says his group was there first and that in similar disputes nationwide, incumbents have successfully retained their wireless channels.
"If we take the stance that we're the little guy and start hopping around, what happens when there are no channels left?" Shand said.
Representatives of Starbucks and T-Mobile owner VoiceStream said they were unaware of any other wireless Internet presence in the square and had no comment on Personal Telco's objection.
Since late 2000, Personal Telco has persuaded individuals and businesses to donate high-speed Internet connections to its cause -- creating a "cloud" of free wireless access over the Portland area. Using specially designed "wireless ethernet" cards, Web surfers within a block or two of the donors' homes or businesses can tap into the signal.
The group has about 70 Internet access points throughout the Portland area. One was donated by WebCriteria, a Web consultancy whose eighth-floor offices overlook Pioneer Courthouse Square.
As many as six people have surfed the Web at the same time in the square using the WebCriteria link, often receiving connections faster than wired broadband connections, said Nigel Ballard, a Personal Telco member and owner of wireless consultancy joejava.com.
To connect through Personal Telco, users can type a donor's identification number, available on the group's Web site, www.personaltelco.net. Their computers also can search for the Internet connection. And until recently, they've latched onto Personal Telco's signal in Pioneer Courthouse Square.
Now, they can inadvertently connect to the Starbucks paid service.
Although Starbucks and T-Mobile will likely begin marketing the service this week in the square, Shand said the paid service has been operating for a few weeks. Personal Telco users have reported problems.
I have to take several of the points against DS9 on right here and now.
# The hero or heroic group does not have to make a physical journey so much as a spiritual or experience based one. Go back and reread Jospeh Campell's Hero With A Thousand Faces or The Power of Myth. Time and time again little minds always equate the heroic call to journey as a travel based journey. Space is only one dimension of experience. Go read Herman Hesse's Glass Bead Game (Magister Ludi) for more on experience and expansion thereof.
# DS9 the station may have "sat" there but the characters in it moved across time, space and experience.While other Trek show characters simply mouthed the required catch phrases ("make it so" "blah blah blah logical" "I cana change the laws of phsyics") DS9 characters had to grow, had to expand, had to come into conflict not just with the swirling universe around them but the swirling turmoil in their own selves.
Once again we are hitting on the narrow minded ideas of what makes a Star Trek Production good.
# Besides the many great topics hit on by WolfDaddy take a look at how they dealt with the issue of Race. Many times the plot of a show or arc of shows had to do about a characters race and the conflicts they have in being that race.
The Captian himself has to come to grips with this in the alternate flash back universe of Benny, the black science fiction writer living in the middle of the 20th century.
# DS9 also looked under other unseemly issues that most of the other Trek shows glossed over. In the other Trek shows the Federation were a group of happy content citizens whose every basic need is catered to. In DS9 we finally see the cracks in the Federations shiny armor. People are still fsked up, people are still people rather than holier than thou walking talking good will ambassadors.
I can see where many die hard Trek fans would find this a bad thing. They were happy knowing they were part of a just and right thinking future and here DS9 comes along to tell them all is not as it seems.
Have you ever been to a movie house full of die hard Trek fans? Watch and listen to them. They will cheer as certain catch phrases are used, start citing chapter and verse detailed factoids as to way such and such cant be happening,
"well in the third season shows 23 it was clearly shown that Sub Commander Thalls second half sister was on that planet when it was destroyed by speices 776523 and so that character can not be in this movie because that would cause a rip in the space time continuity"
and will have this warm happy glow on their faces no matter how bad the movie or show was. Why? Compare and contrast the audience in a Jimmy Swagart revival or in the audience of any evangelical church gathering. See something interesting? I knew you would.
For decades the radio was "the" medium for performance art. Spoken word was king and it ruled the airwaves.
Imagine hearing Orson Welles doing the Third Man every week or The Goon Shows when they were brand spanking new. There were some hits (Johhny Dollar, Mercury Theater, The Goon Show, The Great Gildersleve, XMinusOne, Dimmension X, etc) and some real duds (the plethora of soaps, the cheesy hard boiled detectives, the paper thin comedys)
Its hard to imagine but at one time folks would rush home at night to be able hear these shows, for those who are nowcentric that would be like preTivo TV watching.
Over the last few years there have been several groups activley preserving these gems in digital formats. Its amazing how much has been passed on and can be gotten.
If you want to listen to some these gems there are a mass of sites that have the shows. Some good starting places are
Hordes of like minded folks have gathered and talked and some acutaly have done something. The magic label "community" is left for those on the outside, for the tourist, the fashion geek and the twice a week logon.
Can you even remeber FIDO and SEA? Did your 7 min research reveal the plethora of children groups spawned by Ward Christiansens work? From early interboard posting drops to todays Egroups it would truly take a reported as blind and deaf tot he vibrant history of the online world, sucj as Jon Katz, to first try and foist the Community label on it and then to dig away at it for not fitting thier definition of the term Community.
Jon Katz once again shows us why he is the out of touch out of time out of ideas patron saint of the lobotomized know nothings, the chich yet shallow fashion geeks. He is the lord god of the mediocracy.
Jon Katz, please go do some history research that dates back before your first AOL account in 1995.
The online community has been flourishing in ways you will never ever know about since the late 70's.
If your smelling the sickly bullshit smell its most likely due to J Katz being the slinger of tons of the substance.
The Hellmouth piece was a media crapstorm that J Katz Decided to try and cash in on. Hundreds of slashdoters of course rose thier egos with jon with the scent of Angst, Media and possible Chest Beating came to fore.
I dont think its a Geek thing, its simpler than that. Its an Asshole thing. Slashdoters proving once again everyones got one and they all mostly stink.
Clinton/Gore has done more legislative harm to the internet, his "creation", in the last 8 years of work.
Heck, even before that, remeber the PMRC? You boys need a refresher go listen to Jello Biafras records about Tipper, Al, and why you are an indiot for supporting this crap.
Bush Gore, if those are your choices youve lost alreday.
Unlesso f course your some sort of "GO team" poltical washup who plays politics like it was coledge hoops. With a nation od lossers like this its no wonder we get Gush and Bore as choices.
Heres to all the idiots who treat politcal partys like frat partys....you get what you deserve.
http://666pack.org/cuecat/Mirrors.asp
Head over here for the site mirrors, pages, and code.
There is a zip file with most of this stuff listed there. Grab it and spread it.
Usenet bin groups are booming. No one is there trying to force a Socail Concept on the leechers and the providers. Its all about giving and getting, plain and simple. If enough people stopped giving, then some one else would step up to supply or it could be said the need had died out.
All this white paper crap about Community and Worht is pretty fun to read and then you go on Usenet and laugh a little at the ivory tower wankings
Die hard linux users should fear this for one simple reason. People will use the MS port(s) and thus make Linux just another market for MS to win over.
The did it with Apple. MS Office , IE, heck even basic early on was all MS.
So linux will be "tainted" with MS users. The real fun is in watching Linux Jihaders as they see thier perfect OS become just another commodity in the mass market ocean.
"your just another victim
just another victim"
History folks, look at your history. Jobs has historicaly done these types of thingsd time and time again. The Apple III debacle, The Lisa mess, his alienation and obliteration of the Apple ][ in favor of a pure Maccenteric company, his people skills with in and without his teams, his pickingof Scully, his leaving for Next, his destruction of Next, his rentry into Apple , his destruciton of third party apple machines (power cimputer, motorola, etc) and now his "Cane Munity" behavoir to his current crew.
Wether this is LEGAL or is not the point. Does it Help or Hurt APPLE as a company?
Its a troll because the flood of little clam minds on slashdot cant open thier minds wide enough to let a crack of dissention into thier prepackaged jon katz sanctioned geek lifestyles.
Thats cool, it sort of reafirms the basic premiss that once a place has become a cartoonimage of itself the real worth has moved on.
Apple has come up with more insane law suits over the decades than most any other so called "enlightened" compnay.
Remeber hwo they crippled DR dos , gem and a few other OS makers for "look and feel" back in the 80's? Remeber the way they went after Apple II and Mac dealers with thier GOLD DEALER program?
If not, if you are a latter day apple devotoee, go back and look at the history of your fave company.
Pretty sad, idiots will follow the shinny bright facists every time. Hitler had the cool balck uniforms, Apples got the fiesta condom colored imacs.
I call for every one to juarez as many copies of metalica mp3 as possible this weekend.
Burn them on cds, hand them out to strangers. Put them up on ftp sites. Open a web site, Run a Gnutella server and offer nothing BUT Metallica.
Yes folks, lets use this medium and show Lars, the many times victim of Hoof-In-Mouth syndrome, just what we think of him tossing about the ire and angst at the fanbase.
If you do pass around meatllica Juarez, pleasse, be nice, only pass around the good albums. Passing around loaded or the symphonic craps is just plain rude.
That was one hell of a Q and A, probably one of the better pieces of slashdot I have read in many months.
AI has always been, to me at least, more about the trip and less about the actual goal. While having these bots of thought will be cool, and yes i think they will come to be, watching how they are being "created" is an amzing decades long story that is unravleing before our eyes. We live in interesting times.
I was also happy to see someone speak thier mind without fear of being whacked by the PC stick of the new millenium facists who sieg hiel under the OSS flag.
Open source is a great thing, what is springing up around it (ie the sceen of closed minded slogan chanters) is far from helping it become all it can. (go read any Jon Katz piece to see where slogan chanting and short attention spans wind up)
Money is a valuation of time, it is also a valuation of labor. At its simplest it means I can translate an hour of working on a dB system into some food, a pda, some books, a gift for the wife and kid, and then some cash to donate to a charity who in turn can feed and clothe and house others.
I have a worth that my employer pays for. I find vlaue in food, pda's, books, giving gifts to my wife and kid, and in donating to others the means to be fed and clothed etc.
That little sqaures of cash with dead presidents is the token of exchange is not the point. There have been works on passing valuation in the form of bits,and to some respects this is happening.
Those who think a world with out captial or value exchange would be a good thing need to come up with some hard and fast examples of Actual Working Models. I can always read the fantasys of Mann and the like if I want pure paper postulation. But that doesnt feed my family.
Thought experiments are a great thing, they can shape the ways in which we better our world. Imposing the pipe dreams of the few often leads to much harm. You can be the next POl POt without even realizing it.
Slashdot Mirror
From real world building ( thanks PTP) here are some rough numbers as far as cost
Old 133cpu computers + Linksys wrt54g + 12dbOmni = Low Cost Wireless Networking
Old 133 Computer with a nic 1gigHD,soundcard, etc=about 40$ from freegeek.org
WRT54g = about 80$
12dbOmni= about 40$
parts(mount, cable,etc)= about 40$
Linux = about $0
Total Cost = about 200$
This gets you a set up that can server some web pages, act as an Auth or Splash gateway, get some great coverage and even play up some mp3s.
Coffee house cool meets DIY down home goodness.
www.personaltelco.net
A lot of what your talking about has been deployed to over 20 buisness locations and a horde more home sites here in Portland Oregon by a group called the Personal Telco Project.
http://www.personaltelco.net
We use NoCat on linux based boxes and it covers most of what your looking to do. You can set up Auth or simply a Splash, you can do throttling, shaping and the like, you can set up local content areas for biz and community use.
Its amazing what older PCs and low cost APs can do. Most of the stuff is easy to install, the few rough spots, like NoCat, have been feild tested and methodologies have been crafted to make it easier to set and and maintain.
Come on over to the url posted above for more information or head to #ptp on irc.freenode.net and ask for more info.
Sellers: THree Gooons?
...free goons
..I wonder when the light will stop blinking.
Seacomb: No no
Milligan: Eh, I do not understand
Geldray: Your all dead.
Eccles: Ahhh is that why i havent been bothered with the taxes this year.
Moriarty: Shut Up Eccles
Eccles: SHUT UP ECCLES!
BlueBottle: Looking at hard drive (dot dot dot) and wondering when the light will stop a blinking
MajorBloodnock: Never, Never Tell you , not untill each and every All Leather Goon Show is resting on its platters!!
Sellers: So we have time for a quick one round the back?
(Sound of mad dash to the bottle)
(cue band)
This is not the first time the PTP has run into a snag trying to offer free net access. Back a while ago there was a slight problem with the then new Starbucks hotposts at the "heart" of the city.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.s sf ?/xml/story.ssf/html_stand
ard.xsl?/base/front_pa ge/102975810817580.xml
08/19/02
JEFFREY KOSSEFF and ERIC HAND
The world's biggest barista and a grass-roots group are squaring off in a wireless game of chicken at Pioneer Courthouse Square.
On one end stands Starbucks, which this week likely will begin marketing a paid service that lets its customers in Portland's living room connect their laptops wirelessly to the Internet. On the other is Personal Telco, a local group of computer hobbyists, which has provided the same service for free in the square since February.
Sure, there's room on the wireless spectrum for peaceful coexistence. But Starbucks, using wireless carrier T-Mobile, is transmitting its signal on the same channel Personal Telco has used for the past six months. Neither has budged.
The result? Both Starbucks customers and Personal Telco members may face slower speeds on the suddenly crowded channel.
The battle illustrates a growing problem with the increasingly popular technology known as wireless fidelity, or "Wi-Fi." Unlike cell phones, it operates on an unlicensed spectrum, so experts expect such disputes will become more common as demand grows.
Like cordless phones and walkie-talkies, nobody can own Wi-Fi's spectrum, and federal regulators have little authority over it, said Dale Hatfield, former chief of the Federal Communications Commission's Office of Engineering and Technology.
"There's no prior claims; there's no squatter's rights; there's nothing like that," said Hatfield, now a telecommunications professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder. "You both have to try to live with each other. I can't imagine why one wouldn't voluntarily move to one of the other channels that has less interference."
Adam Shand can imagine. The founder of Personal Telco says his group was there first and that in similar disputes nationwide, incumbents have successfully retained their wireless channels.
"If we take the stance that we're the little guy and start hopping around, what happens when there are no channels left?" Shand said.
Representatives of Starbucks and T-Mobile owner VoiceStream said they were unaware of any other wireless Internet presence in the square and had no comment on Personal Telco's objection.
Since late 2000, Personal Telco has persuaded individuals and businesses to donate high-speed Internet connections to its cause -- creating a "cloud" of free wireless access over the Portland area. Using specially designed "wireless ethernet" cards, Web surfers within a block or two of the donors' homes or businesses can tap into the signal.
The group has about 70 Internet access points throughout the Portland area. One was donated by WebCriteria, a Web consultancy whose eighth-floor offices overlook Pioneer Courthouse Square.
As many as six people have surfed the Web at the same time in the square using the WebCriteria link, often receiving connections faster than wired broadband connections, said Nigel Ballard, a
Personal Telco member and owner of wireless consultancy joejava.com.
To connect through Personal Telco, users can type a donor's identification number, available on the group's Web site, www.personaltelco.net. Their computers also can search for the Internet connection. And until recently, they've latched onto Personal Telco's signal in Pioneer Courthouse Square.
Now, they can inadvertently connect to the Starbucks paid service.
Although Starbucks and T-Mobile will likely begin marketing the service this week in the square, Shand said the paid service has been operating for a few weeks. Personal Telco users have reported problems.
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I have to take several of the points against DS9 on right here and now.
# The hero or heroic group does not have to make a physical journey so much as a spiritual or experience based one. Go back and reread Jospeh Campell's Hero With A Thousand Faces or The Power of Myth. Time and time again little minds always equate the heroic call to journey as a travel based journey. Space is only one dimension of experience. Go read Herman Hesse's Glass Bead Game (Magister Ludi) for more on experience and expansion thereof.
# DS9 the station may have "sat" there but the characters in it moved across time, space and experience.While other Trek show characters simply mouthed the required catch phrases ("make it so" "blah blah blah logical" "I cana change the laws of phsyics") DS9 characters had to grow, had to expand, had to come into conflict not just with the swirling universe around them but the swirling turmoil in their own selves.
Once again we are hitting on the narrow minded ideas of what makes a Star Trek Production good.
# Besides the many great topics hit on by WolfDaddy take a look at how they dealt with the issue of Race. Many times the plot of a show or arc of shows had to do about a characters race and the conflicts they have in being that race.
The Captian himself has to come to grips with this in the alternate flash back universe of Benny, the black science fiction writer living in the middle of the 20th century.
# DS9 also looked under other unseemly issues that most of the other Trek shows glossed over. In the other Trek shows the Federation were a group of happy content citizens whose every basic need is catered to. In DS9 we finally see the cracks in the Federations shiny armor. People are still fsked up, people are still people rather than holier than thou walking talking good will ambassadors.
I can see where many die hard Trek fans would find this a bad thing. They were happy knowing they were part of a just and right thinking future and here DS9 comes along to tell them all is not as it seems.
Have you ever been to a movie house full of die hard Trek fans? Watch and listen to them. They will cheer as certain catch phrases are used, start citing chapter and verse detailed factoids as to way such and such cant be happening
"well in the third season shows 23 it was clearly shown that Sub Commander Thalls second half sister was on that planet when it was destroyed by speices 776523 and so that character can not be in this movie because that would cause a rip in the space time continuity"
and will have this warm happy glow on their faces no matter how bad the movie or show was. Why? Compare and contrast the audience in a Jimmy Swagart revival or in the audience of any evangelical church gathering. See something interesting? I knew you would.
Seems like folks are taking thier ideas of a better trek and doing it themselves....thus Hidden Frontier
http://www.hiddenfrontier.org
Go grab a few shows and see what folks with the DIY attitude can do...then get your geek on and go make.
For decades the radio was "the" medium for performance art. Spoken word was king and it ruled the airwaves.
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Imagine hearing Orson Welles doing the Third Man every week or The Goon Shows when they were brand spanking new. There were some hits (Johhny Dollar, Mercury Theater, The Goon Show, The Great Gildersleve, XMinusOne, Dimmension X, etc) and some real duds (the plethora of soaps, the cheesy hard boiled detectives, the paper thin comedys)
Its hard to imagine but at one time folks would rush home at night to be able hear these shows, for those who are nowcentric that would be like preTivo TV watching.
Over the last few years there have been several groups activley preserving these gems in digital formats. Its amazing how much has been passed on and can be gotten.
If you want to listen to some these gems there are a mass of sites that have the shows. Some good starting places are
http://www.wayback.net/
http://users2.ev1.net/
For the Goon Shows try
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~robertd/GoonSho
For all the Jean Shepherd broadcasts you can devours head on over to
http://shep-archives.com/
Years 0ld and still going strong, the law makers get to act on juistice and clean living and for the good of our children.......
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http://hotwired.lycos.com/special/pornscare/mar
Mean while these law makers get to sit in DC and kill young girls
http://www.chandralevy.com/articles/intern-cong
Thumbs Up America..AOLnation and land of the sheeple.
-tom
Hordes of like minded folks have gathered and talked and some acutaly have done something. The magic label "community" is left for those on the outside, for the tourist, the fashion geek and the twice a week logon.
Can you even remeber FIDO and SEA? Did your 7 min research reveal the plethora of children groups spawned by Ward Christiansens work? From early interboard posting drops to todays Egroups it would truly take a reported as blind and deaf tot he vibrant history of the online world, sucj as Jon Katz, to first try and foist the Community label on it and then to dig away at it for not fitting thier definition of the term Community.
Jon Katz once again shows us why he is the out of touch out of time out of ideas patron saint of the lobotomized know nothings, the chich yet shallow fashion geeks. He is the lord god of the mediocracy.
Jon Katz, please go do some history research that dates back before your first AOL account in 1995.
The online community has been flourishing in ways you will never ever know about since the late 70's.
If your smelling the sickly bullshit smell its most likely due to J Katz being the slinger of tons of the substance.
The Hellmouth piece was a media crapstorm that J Katz Decided to try and cash in on. Hundreds of slashdoters of course rose thier egos with jon with the scent of Angst, Media and possible Chest Beating came to fore.
I dont think its a Geek thing, its simpler than that. Its an Asshole thing. Slashdoters proving once again everyones got one and they all mostly stink.
I dont think the outcry was so much being used in a book, it was being used in a book by katz.
The guy is a cheap trend reporting media whore. I certianly wouldnt want to be in a book with his name on it.
Its about crediability.
Not modified, just as is http://www.freeboxen.com/displayhardware.php3?id=2 56
Clinton/Gore has done more legislative harm to the internet, his "creation", in the last 8 years of work.
Heck, even before that, remeber the PMRC? You boys need a refresher go listen to Jello Biafras records about Tipper, Al, and why you are an indiot for supporting this crap.
Bush Gore, if those are your choices youve lost alreday.
Unlesso f course your some sort of "GO team" poltical washup who plays politics like it was coledge hoops. With a nation od lossers like this its no wonder we get Gush and Bore as choices.
Heres to all the idiots who treat politcal partys like frat partys....you get what you deserve.
That should be
http://666pack.org/cuecat/Mirrors.asp
Enjoy and spread
http://666pack.org/cuecat/Mirrors.asp Head over here for the site mirrors, pages, and code. There is a zip file with most of this stuff listed there. Grab it and spread it.
Usenet bin groups are booming. No one is there trying to force a Socail Concept on the leechers and the providers. Its all about giving and getting, plain and simple. If enough people stopped giving, then some one else would step up to supply or it could be said the need had died out.
All this white paper crap about Community and Worht is pretty fun to read and then you go on Usenet and laugh a little at the ivory tower wankings
Do Or Do not
Die hard linux users should fear this for one simple reason. People will use the MS port(s) and thus make Linux just another market for MS to win over. The did it with Apple. MS Office , IE, heck even basic early on was all MS. So linux will be "tainted" with MS users. The real fun is in watching Linux Jihaders as they see thier perfect OS become just another commodity in the mass market ocean. "your just another victim just another victim"
History folks, look at your history. Jobs has historicaly done these types of thingsd time and time again. The Apple III debacle, The Lisa mess, his alienation and obliteration of the Apple ][ in favor of a pure Maccenteric company, his people skills with in and without his teams, his pickingof Scully, his leaving for Next, his destruction of Next, his rentry into Apple , his destruciton of third party apple machines (power cimputer, motorola, etc) and now his "Cane Munity" behavoir to his current crew.
Wether this is LEGAL or is not the point. Does it Help or Hurt APPLE as a company?
Its a troll because the flood of little clam minds on slashdot cant open thier minds wide enough to let a crack of dissention into thier prepackaged jon katz sanctioned geek lifestyles.
Thats cool, it sort of reafirms the basic premiss that once a place has become a cartoonimage of itself the real worth has moved on.
so it is with slashdot.
Apple has come up with more insane law suits over the decades than most any other so called "enlightened" compnay.
Remeber hwo they crippled DR dos , gem and a few other OS makers for "look and feel" back in the 80's? Remeber the way they went after Apple II and Mac dealers with thier GOLD DEALER program?
If not, if you are a latter day apple devotoee, go back and look at the history of your fave company.
Pretty sad, idiots will follow the shinny bright facists every time. Hitler had the cool balck uniforms, Apples got the fiesta condom colored imacs.
Sige Hiel Jobs
Wrong, but nice try..
Bruce tookthe first "opertunity" to blow a stack and go Press POstal.
Did he need to blow this issue up in everyones face? Nope
Could he have talked to BE first and then made a statement? Yep
But what did he do? He siezed the opertunity to go grab some more press.
And folks like you enabling his ego trips is a sure sign that for all his weaknesses there is an audience to feed it.
Meanwhile, back on the ranch, the laughter continues as we watch the lusers jihad themselves in a classice three stoges prat fall.
If the LOC wont do it, there are hordes of folk onthe net who will.
Things like Project guttenberg, etext.org, the Emonks archives and other text/book/doc online efforts will get the stuff out there.
Now , how does the LOC blanace what they say with the exclent WEB SITES they have been putting out? Makes Ya wonder .
I gueese Bruce needed to get a shout in the stream.
Its like a bad married couple....Stallman gets press and you can be sure in a few hours you will see Bruce pop up with something.
Welcome to the world of Dueling Divas.
Meanwhile back on the ranch....
I call for every one to juarez as many copies of metalica mp3 as possible this weekend.
Burn them on cds, hand them out to strangers. Put them up on ftp sites. Open a web site, Run a Gnutella server and offer nothing BUT Metallica.
Yes folks, lets use this medium and show Lars, the many times victim of Hoof-In-Mouth syndrome, just what we think of him tossing about the ire and angst at the fanbase.
If you do pass around meatllica Juarez, pleasse, be nice, only pass around the good albums. Passing around loaded or the symphonic craps is just plain rude.
That was one hell of a Q and A, probably one of the better pieces of slashdot I have read in many months.
AI has always been, to me at least, more about the trip and less about the actual goal. While having these bots of thought will be cool, and yes i think they will come to be, watching how they are being "created" is an amzing decades long story that is unravleing before our eyes. We live in interesting times.
I was also happy to see someone speak thier mind without fear of being whacked by the PC stick of the new millenium facists who sieg hiel under the OSS flag.
Open source is a great thing, what is springing up around it (ie the sceen of closed minded slogan chanters) is far from helping it become all it can. (go read any Jon Katz piece to see where slogan chanting and short attention spans wind up)
Money is a valuation of time, it is also a valuation of labor. At its simplest it means I can translate an hour of working on a dB system into some food, a pda, some books, a gift for the wife and kid, and then some cash to donate to a charity who in turn can feed and clothe and house others.
I have a worth that my employer pays for. I find vlaue in food, pda's, books, giving gifts to my wife and kid, and in donating to others the means to be fed and clothed etc.
That little sqaures of cash with dead presidents is the token of exchange is not the point. There have been works on passing valuation in the form of bits,and to some respects this is happening.
Those who think a world with out captial or value exchange would be a good thing need to come up with some hard and fast examples of Actual Working Models. I can always read the fantasys of Mann and the like if I want pure paper postulation. But that doesnt feed my family.
Thought experiments are a great thing, they can shape the ways in which we better our world. Imposing the pipe dreams of the few often leads to much harm. You can be the next POl POt without even realizing it.