Most thieves (in break-in/burglary scenarios) don't give a rats-arse if something is thumb-print protected. They merely look for shiny, valuable looking objects to take.
Ahhh!!! so the truth comes out! (see answer at one level below this threshold)
"Star Trek" = relevant science fiction
"Star Wars" = not relevant science fiction
Had you made an argument which sited Asimov, Heinlein, etc. we might have taken you seriously, but it looks as if the Borg have already gotten to you...
Had you made an argument which sited Asimov, Heinlein, etc. we might have taken you seriously, but it looks as if the Borg have already gotten to you...
Well, yes and no... My point was that music is just music - it can still be bad music.
Labeling it only satisfies a temporary cultural need, and is largely useless to anyone except the like-minded during any given period.
Lets take The Beatles for an example:
When they first arrived, they were considered "Mod" or "British Pop" - by hardcore bible thumpers, they were considered "Devil music". Later, Top-forty, then Rock & Roll, and now "Classic" Rock, and you will find most of their music on "Easy Listening" stations. Today, you will find people that could argue that they fit into any of those categories (although not too many think that the beatles are demonic nowadays);-)
Led Zeppelin and Iron Butterfly (in their prime) were Heavy Metal/Acid Rock.
RATT and Poison were considered Heavy Metal in the early 80s.
Van Halen - classified as Heavy Metal.
- tell a 16 yr. old who's into Slayer that ANY of those are Heavy metal, and He'll laugh his ass off at you.
I mean, one would HOPE that no one would equate Britney Spears as being better than Dvorak, but I wouldn't want to test that theory on a 14 yr old girl - It's subjective.
No. I never said it wasn't about music - it was MOSTLY about the music (although I was pretty political) - My point was no one ever called the music "punk".
For those of us who lived the scene - NO one called the music (or the scene) "punk" - it was just rocking out, going hardcore, going to shows, (et al, or more accurately, "whatever"...). The whole idea of the scene was avoiding convention. (albeit as the suburban kids joined the scene, the "fashion" started to take on more form and commonality)
"Punk" was a label applied from the outside, by those who weren't in the life - we never cared if something had "punk" cred - it wasn't about being cliquish - it was the opposite. Now people use it to decry things they they think aren't "cool" or they feel aren't anti-establishment enough - that is a convention by outsiders who want to be "in".
Being "punk" is like being cool. You either are or you aren't - in most cases is that it doesn't matter if you are perceived as punk/cool - you just are/were, and the sad thing is that most people don't realize that's a distinction that can only be applied by/to yourself - it's not about applying a label, it's about believing in your own way of living, and saying f*ck what everyone else expects.
From a sociological standpoint, it is useful to look at the movement, in hindsight and label it as punk as a cultural reference of a time and feeling in a certain segment of the culture - particularly amongst those of us you would have called "disaffected youths". But to use it to bash the credibility of modern bands is just plain silly. During that time bands like Blondie, The Ramones(etc) were all accused of the same B.S. (being "pop" punk)- and compared to DK or the Jerks they were considered 'candy' bands - today people see Blondie as seminal in New Wave, and the Ramones as a punk/rock staple.
The Scotsman fallacy doesn't apply here, as my generalization is actually accurate. It would have been more astute of you to accuse me of an argumentum ad verecundiam...
But then again, you don't really have a valid point there, either; as I was there, and you clearly weren't.
No, it's called music (from beethoven to beatles to the circle jerks) - it's all composed of notes, rhythm, chords, etc. And you either like that particular sound (or individual group, or piece) or not - Genres are for those who only feel comfortable dealing with convenient labels, usually to site a close-minded preference "my genre is better than yours"...
No real punkers call themselves punk - it's the attitude, not the music.
in other words, star trek style shields are, very optimistically, at least 250 years away, and more realistically 700 to 1000 years away, assuming we last that long as a species.
250 years?? In 1960 it took an entire room to house the computational power of my cell-phone or PDA...
Unfortunately if the FCC/FAA is TOO honest about this, then we'll have people complaining about the impediment of their "rights" - (you know, our constitutional right to annoy everyone around you). And as silly as that sounds, all it takes is one sharp litigator to "protect the rights" of some cel-wielding citizen, and we get to hear everyone's conversations ad nauseum...
Cruft about obscure topical subjects is part of the Wiki lifeblood; I think in this case they are speaking of the really inane b.s. that some people try to put up;
Odes to their dead hampster
An "article" about their 2-bit web development company
Advertorials in general (although some of the music articles come pretty close to the line)
Notable" people who are primarily only notable to their family...
Instructions on how to really make your MySpace page look really rad and different from everyone elses using CSS.
You are only repsonsible for your pet's actions until your kitty is 18 yrs of age, or joins the military.
Although there is a disturbing number of young kittens and puppies being tried in court nowadays as adults...
Good pet-ownership begins in the home, and if you properly monitor your pets, they will not spend time in your WoW account without your knowledge (but if you discover they found the Sword of a Thousand Truths while you are away, give them a treat)...
Slashdot Mirror
there was - that wasn't exactly the plot, but that show has been canned...
Most thieves (in break-in/burglary scenarios) don't give a rats-arse if something is thumb-print protected. They merely look for shiny, valuable looking objects to take.
silly, silly, silly.
Ahhh!!! so the truth comes out! (see answer at one level below this threshold)
"Star Trek" = relevant science fiction
"Star Wars" = not relevant science fiction
Had you made an argument which sited Asimov, Heinlein, etc. we might have taken you seriously, but it looks as if the Borg have already gotten to you...
enough said...
Ahhh!!! so the truth comes out!
"Star Trek" = relevant science fiction
"Star Wars" = not relevant science fiction
Had you made an argument which sited Asimov, Heinlein, etc. we might have taken you seriously, but it looks as if the Borg have already gotten to you...
enough said...
Well, yes and no... My point was that music is just music - it can still be bad music.
;-)
Labeling it only satisfies a temporary cultural need, and is largely useless to anyone except the like-minded during any given period.
Lets take The Beatles for an example:
When they first arrived, they were considered "Mod" or "British Pop" - by hardcore bible thumpers, they were considered "Devil music". Later, Top-forty, then Rock & Roll, and now "Classic" Rock, and you will find most of their music on "Easy Listening" stations. Today, you will find people that could argue that they fit into any of those categories (although not too many think that the beatles are demonic nowadays)
Led Zeppelin and Iron Butterfly (in their prime) were Heavy Metal/Acid Rock.
RATT and Poison were considered Heavy Metal in the early 80s.
Van Halen - classified as Heavy Metal.
- tell a 16 yr. old who's into Slayer that ANY of those are Heavy metal, and He'll laugh his ass off at you.
I mean, one would HOPE that no one would equate Britney Spears as being better than Dvorak, but I wouldn't want to test that theory on a 14 yr old girl - It's subjective.
No. I never said it wasn't about music - it was MOSTLY about the music (although I was pretty political) - My point was no one ever called the music "punk".
For those of us who lived the scene - NO one called the music (or the scene) "punk" - it was just rocking out, going hardcore, going to shows, (et al, or more accurately, "whatever"...). The whole idea of the scene was avoiding convention. (albeit as the suburban kids joined the scene, the "fashion" started to take on more form and commonality)
"Punk" was a label applied from the outside, by those who weren't in the life - we never cared if something had "punk" cred - it wasn't about being cliquish - it was the opposite. Now people use it to decry things they they think aren't "cool" or they feel aren't anti-establishment enough - that is a convention by outsiders who want to be "in".
Being "punk" is like being cool. You either are or you aren't - in most cases is that it doesn't matter if you are perceived as punk/cool - you just are/were, and the sad thing is that most people don't realize that's a distinction that can only be applied by/to yourself - it's not about applying a label, it's about believing in your own way of living, and saying f*ck what everyone else expects.
From a sociological standpoint, it is useful to look at the movement, in hindsight and label it as punk as a cultural reference of a time and feeling in a certain segment of the culture - particularly amongst those of us you would have called "disaffected youths". But to use it to bash the credibility of modern bands is just plain silly. During that time bands like Blondie, The Ramones(etc) were all accused of the same B.S. (being "pop" punk)- and compared to DK or the Jerks they were considered 'candy' bands - today people see Blondie as seminal in New Wave, and the Ramones as a punk/rock staple.
The Scotsman fallacy doesn't apply here, as my generalization is actually accurate. It would have been more astute of you to accuse me of an argumentum ad verecundiam...
But then again, you don't really have a valid point there, either; as I was there, and you clearly weren't.
... and how do you define "real" science fiction??
further - what makes you the authority on what "real" science fiction is... it's easy to be an armchair quarterback, isn't it...
"slashdot worthy"??
LOL We've all seen some REALLY inane b.s. posted here - this definitely seems to pass the litmus test.
No, it's called music (from beethoven to beatles to the circle jerks) - it's all composed of notes, rhythm, chords, etc. And you either like that particular sound (or individual group, or piece) or not - Genres are for those who only feel comfortable dealing with convenient labels, usually to site a close-minded preference "my genre is better than yours"...
No real punkers call themselves punk - it's the attitude, not the music.
in other words, star trek style shields are, very optimistically, at least 250 years away, and more realistically 700 to 1000 years away, assuming we last that long as a species. 250 years?? In 1960 it took an entire room to house the computational power of my cell-phone or PDA...
Does this mean that I'll soon be able use an app to make the bees attack my nosy neighbors? Yeah!
I agree.
Unfortunately if the FCC/FAA is TOO honest about this, then we'll have people complaining about the impediment of their "rights" - (you know, our constitutional right to annoy everyone around you). And as silly as that sounds, all it takes is one sharp litigator to "protect the rights" of some cel-wielding citizen, and we get to hear everyone's conversations ad nauseum...
Um, This site is useless EVERY day of the year...
Yeah, and those "horseless carriages" will never happen either! Communicating over WIRES? unHEARD of!
Well yeah, in Euorpe; but there were non-religoius forms in Asia for centuries before.
OH FSM help us, a dogmatic christian...
Well pal, you won't have to worry about the RIAA, because I'm sure the rapture is RIGHTaround the corner... again....
Odes to their dead hampster
cheers!
You are only repsonsible for your pet's actions until your kitty is 18 yrs of age, or joins the military.
Although there is a disturbing number of young kittens and puppies being tried in court nowadays as adults...
Good pet-ownership begins in the home, and if you properly monitor your pets, they will not spend time in your WoW account without your knowledge (but if you discover they found the Sword of a Thousand Truths while you are away, give them a treat)...