The reasons for NOT using Java were enumerated by Luby Liao at the Python track of the O'Reilly Open Source conference -- that you simply have to teach too much stuff to even print "hello world" in Java. In other words, the runway is very steep. The point, after all, is to TEACH PROGRAMMING not to alienate students.
Python is nice because you can teach all the principles as they're required, not in some order arbitrated by the language. For the same reason, I consider Perl, ML, Scheme, Lisp, Prolog, and a whole slew of other languages (which are cool in their uses no doubt) unsuitable as a language for teaching EVERYONE programming principles.
As a friend said, it's a transparent language (in that you can do just about anything without having the language itself get in your way), which is why it's a good teaching language.
Disclaimer: I'm a female geek who works for Linuxcare.
There was a movement in the marketing dept to use BOTH the ad that was done AND one similar to what you proposed. I don't know why it wasn't done that way. But living in San Francisco as we do, it's a logical choice for an ad around here.:)
I'm glad to see someone else mention Symantec's VisualPage, which is my favorite GUI html editor (bar none). It's also cross-platform (in the Windows/MacOS sense anyway).
A degree only shows one thing: commitment. That's not a bad thing to show, but saying it shows anything else is ludicrous. They learned (maybe) just enough to zip through.
I will agree that the best programmers I've known have had degrees; almost NONE of them had degrees in Computer Science. Often it was Philosophy or Math or Creative Writing.
Or, as my dad said, get a technical degree in a Master's program; get a liberal arts BA.
Look up *slander* in a dictionary. Slander is usually spoken, but also includes limited-audience written works such as emails.
Mike Maher most assuredly did slander a friend of Nick's and mine; I expect there will be a lawsuit filed in fairly short order with Red Hat (who has acted abysmally) as a co-defendant.
Funny how the "friends of Mike" are anonymous cowards, isn't it?
I thought the effects were awesome. I'm not going to rate acting, because that's not really what the movie was about. But it definitely was rip-roarin' entertainment.
I knew when Trinity hung in the air in the first few minutes of the film that this film was just going to rock.
You miss the obvious: most of the "women" acting like "sluts" online are men. Usually 15-year-old boys (speaking from having spent WAY too much time online).
I've been raped. I disagree that it necessarily stays with you the rest of your life. Yes, the guy was a scumbag. Yes, you become more careful. I don't think it really hangs around as much as you think. Of course, it has been a few years.
It has made me more careful, which is why when a net.friend offered to pick me up at the airport, I had my former boyfriend tag along with him. Fortunately, they knew each other (which was odd enough!).
I have met people from the net, but the only really successful meetings were those people where there WERE no expectations of liasions or anything even vaguely romantic and/or sexual. I think the whole concept of net->analog relationships is just a Bad Idea (tm).
There's WAY too much potential for self-deception as well as deception by the other party.
Trust me, you WANT to learn to code to the widget sets. Raw X programming (that's NOT "X windows" btw) is painful.
Better yet, pick a language with good bindings (I like python but you're free to choose what you're comfortable with) and dabble a little with each widget set.
Well, I hate to admit it as a Linux user, but given the recent anon post to comp.os.linux.advocacy (and never having heard a similar stink out of Redmond) and having seen Red Hat's private email responses (which were lame, at best), I'd have to say that, given my experiences, Microsoft really outdoes Red Hat when it comes to courtesy and decency.
That counts for a lot in the world at large; if Red Hat wants to be perceived as anything other than a Southern, anti-female and racist organization, well, it's going to have to clean up its act.
Am I really the only person who remembers Personics? Go up to the kiosk, select your tracks and it made a cassette for you. It was more expensive per-track than regular tapes, but you liked EVERY song on there. I really miss the format myself; I used to make a lot of Personics tapes.
Open Source software needn't be. This is the primary philosophical difference between the FSF and the open source (but not necessarily free) advocates.
I personally care more about open source than no-cost software.
Debian is a Linux distro. Why would one OS care about another OS's license? I mean geez, it's not like Debian would be distributing it anyway.
Besides, a lot of Bruce's points are specious: the APSL applies to stuff that APPLE (or NeXT, as they bought them) wrote. NOT to other stuff that already had its own license.
Late night is one thing, but 20+ hours straight on a consistent basis is quite another. I think the most I've ever worked straight on a consistent basis is about 14 hours.
WinCE is correctly pronounced WINCE. Just thought you should know that. (I got peals of laughter calling it "wince" in the office once, but I always pronounce acronyms as a word so it seemed obvious to me....)
No, not the kids, not Apple, but the lusers at news.com who think that Apple actually registered traya.net. They should learn to read the whois.::sigh::
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The reasons for NOT using Java were enumerated by Luby Liao at the Python track of the O'Reilly Open Source conference -- that you simply have to teach too much stuff to even print "hello world" in Java. In other words, the runway is very steep. The point, after all, is to TEACH PROGRAMMING not to alienate students.
Python is nice because you can teach all the principles as they're required, not in some order arbitrated by the language. For the same reason, I consider Perl, ML, Scheme, Lisp, Prolog, and a whole slew of other languages (which are cool in their uses no doubt) unsuitable as a language for teaching EVERYONE programming principles.
As a friend said, it's a transparent language (in that you can do just about anything without having the language itself get in your way), which is why it's a good teaching language.
_Deirdre
...I vote for Crimson Fedora. It has that nice sinister ring to it! _Deirdre
VA is one of my favortite Linux companies. Go team! You guys deserve this. :)
_Deirdre
I agree with you -- pretty horrific actually.
Congrats to the BSD guys on this one. :)
:)
I'm just curious what the machine config is OTHER than the gig ethernet.
_Deirdre
Sexism is NOT a non-issue among geeks. I have indeed
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had to deal with sexism among geeks. Classic example:
http://x21.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=455
_Deirdre
Disclaimer: I'm a female geek who works for
:)
Linuxcare.
There was a movement in the marketing dept to use
BOTH the ad that was done AND one similar to what
you proposed. I don't know why it wasn't done that
way. But living in San Francisco as we do, it's a
logical choice for an ad around here.
_Deirdre
I'm glad to see someone else mention Symantec's VisualPage, which is my favorite GUI html editor (bar none). It's also cross-platform (in the Windows/MacOS sense anyway).
_Deirdre
Why not? They made out like bandits. :)
What went IPO at $18 a share is now worth about 8x
that (it was higher).
Most relatively new companies don't show much of
a profit as their growth means they're investing
in infrastructure (like inventory).
_Deirdre
A degree only shows one thing: commitment. That's
not a bad thing to show, but saying it shows
anything else is ludicrous. They learned (maybe)
just enough to zip through.
I will agree that the best programmers I've known
have had degrees; almost NONE of them had degrees
in Computer Science. Often it was Philosophy or
Math or Creative Writing.
Or, as my dad said, get a technical degree in a Master's program; get a liberal arts BA.
_Deirdre
Look up *slander* in a dictionary. Slander is usually spoken, but also includes limited-audience written works such as emails.
Mike Maher most assuredly did slander a friend of Nick's and mine; I expect there will be a lawsuit filed in fairly short order with Red Hat (who has acted abysmally) as a co-defendant.
Funny how the "friends of Mike" are anonymous cowards, isn't it?
_Deirdre
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I thought the effects were awesome. I'm not going to rate acting, because that's not really what the movie was about. But it definitely was rip-roarin' entertainment.
I knew when Trinity hung in the air in the first few minutes of the film that this film was just going to rock.
_Deirdre
You miss the obvious: most of the "women" acting like "sluts" online are men. Usually 15-year-old boys (speaking from having spent WAY too much time online).
_Deirdre
I've been raped. I disagree that it necessarily stays with you the rest of your life. Yes, the guy was a scumbag. Yes, you become more careful. I don't think it really hangs around as much as you think. Of course, it has been a few years.
It has made me more careful, which is why when a net.friend offered to pick me up at the airport, I had my former boyfriend tag along with him. Fortunately, they knew each other (which was odd enough!).
_Deirdre
I have met people from the net, but the only really successful meetings were those people where there WERE no expectations of liasions or anything even vaguely romantic and/or sexual. I think the whole concept of net->analog relationships is just a Bad Idea (tm).
There's WAY too much potential for self-deception as well as deception by the other party.
_Deirdre
Trust me, you WANT to learn to code to the widget sets. Raw X programming (that's NOT "X windows" btw) is painful.
Better yet, pick a language with good bindings (I like python but you're free to choose what you're comfortable with) and dabble a little with each widget set.
_Deirdre
Well, I hate to admit it as a Linux user, but given the recent anon post to comp.os.linux.advocacy (and never having heard a similar stink out of Redmond) and having seen Red Hat's private email responses (which were lame, at best), I'd have to say that, given my experiences, Microsoft really outdoes Red Hat when it comes to courtesy and decency.
That counts for a lot in the world at large; if Red Hat wants to be perceived as anything other than a Southern, anti-female and racist organization, well, it's going to have to clean up its act.
_Deirdre
Am I really the only person who remembers Personics? Go up to the kiosk, select your tracks and it made a cassette for you. It was more expensive per-track than regular tapes, but you liked EVERY song on there. I really miss the format myself; I used to make a lot of Personics tapes.
_Deirdre
It's not free. So?
Open Source software needn't be. This is the primary philosophical difference between the FSF and the open source (but not necessarily free) advocates.
I personally care more about open source than no-cost software.
_Deirdre
Debian is a Linux distro. Why would one OS care about another OS's license? I mean geez, it's not like Debian would be distributing it anyway.
Besides, a lot of Bruce's points are specious: the APSL applies to stuff that APPLE (or NeXT, as they bought them) wrote. NOT to other stuff that already had its own license.
_Deirdre
Office has been available on other platforms. It's not really as far-fetched as you think.
And it shipping WOULD lend legitimacy to Linux as a desktop platform, whether we choose to use it or not (I say not, personally).
As for me, I think I'll stick with Applix and Corel.
_Deirdre
He was out shooting with all of us on Geeks and Guns night (last Thursday right after the Expo closed), that's where he was.
_Deirdre
Late night is one thing, but 20+ hours straight on a consistent basis is quite another. I think the most I've ever worked straight on a consistent basis is about 14 hours.
_Deirdre
WinCE is correctly pronounced WINCE. Just thought you should know that. (I got peals of laughter calling it "wince" in the office once, but I always pronounce acronyms as a word so it seemed obvious to me....)
;)
Aptly named too.
_Deirdre
No, not the kids, not Apple, but the lusers at news.com who think that Apple actually registered traya.net. They should learn to read the whois. ::sigh::