The problem is, right away is when it's needed. If OSX is delayed even longer Linux will well surpass the MacOS out there. With my Mac running LinuxPPC I see even less of a need to run MacOSX. Right now, today, I have a very good implementation of X Windows (XFree86), pretty terminals (Eterm), Emacs, the stability of unix (linux), the Gimp (a nice open source photoshop killer), apache and I'm sure I can find some good audio programs (sorry, not an audio expert here). And for MacOS compatabilty you can run MOL and get probably just as much compatability as you would with the "blue box" layer (or whatever they are calling it these days).
Oh, as for Aqua's "consistency" you should see how different it is between DR's. Not to mention it is one of the things holding up OSX. And the MacOS it is not.
I think there is little reason that is quickly eroding away. I hope Apple can do something and relatively fast. Like I said I will keep buying Apple's excellent hardware, but the reasons for me to run their OS and therefore purchase software for that OS are dwindling.
So you're going to ask her to run MacOS X? Apple is going to discontinuue OS 9 soon enough. Who will explain to your aunt what logging in means? Oh yeah you can already do that with wondows.
MacOS X sill not run every app you have today and probably not even a few you buy tomorrow. I certainly know my DR copies do not run all of today's apps. OS9 doesn't run all of yesterday's apps, it certainly doesn't run all the apps I ran on my Mac 128 way back when.
Are you saying the MacOS doesn't have a long list of "needed" software? How about some decent competition to Qucken? Not to mention a good small business package to replace QuickBooks. We sure could use a good voice-recgonition program, yeah we have ViaVoice but the PC has a lot more choices. The Linux "to do" list is long too, yes, but it's catching up A LOT faster than the Mac's list, not to mention a lot of this quality software is open-source and freely available.
And please, don't tell me your Mac has never acted buggy because of some strange extension conflict and you had to search a site or two (versiontracker or MacFixIt) for the solution. Looking for new linux software? You don't have to look much further than freshmeat or appwatch. If a single source for software meant great quality control then Windows would be blowing away every OS out there, they are the single largest OS vendor aren't they? Apple is a single company and still has quality control problems within its OS. One company making its hardware and software does *not* guarantee a perfect stable platform.
Like I said in my original post, Apple makes great hardware, infact I like their hardware compared to other companies hardware much more than their OS vs. other OS's out there (yes, I think MacOS 9.x better than Windows, but not better than linux).
Lets look at this scenario. MacOS X (which I just read has been delayed until March at the earliest because of Aqua) is released, a few applications make the migration over but because of Linux's large installed base it flutters but never gains wide acceptance. If Apple's software (OS these days since it killed off Claris) dies then so does the hardware with it. If the companies were separate Apple Hardware could keep going for years cranking out excellent hardware with innovations like airport networking regardless of what OS it is running (yes, I can and do use my Airport with LinuxPPC).
I'm not saying Apple's model isn't working NOW. Apparently it is, but what about the future?
The point I was trying to make in my original post (that you apparently missed) is that Linux runs on the MacOS now. MacOS X is probably a year away, if we're lucky, copland was due in what, 1996? Linux is gaining more applications and support every day. MacOS X has verbal support of a few major players who are going to carbonize their applications but how many are going to do true ports over to MacOS X? My reason for going with MacOS X dwindles every day, others reasons for going with Linux on their Mac hadware increases.
"Their greatest strength" as you put it can also be their greatest weakness bringing them both down.
I wonder not so much about Apple's hardware versus their software. They make some great pieces of hardware and bring it to the masses before a lot of other companies. Look at Apple's 22" Cinema display or Airport networking.
I've been using LinuxPPC for a while now on my PowerBook 2000. I can dual-boot with the MacOS (9) if I want to or even better use MacOnLinux. Why should I load MacOSX? I have a great, well supported, stable version of Linux and can still run my MacOS applications (ok, there are some exceptions, Diablo2 won't run because of copy protection). OSX still isn't here and developers are only slowly announcing support.
I'll continue to buy Apple hardware because they make good things, but will I continue to run Apple's OS (and therefore support MacOS software vendors)? Only time will tell.
Apple should have split up their hardware and software divisions long ago. Even if one goes out of business the other has a better chance of surviving.
i don't have a cable modem but know some people who do. their modems all have a cap pre-set into the modem. without using "illegal" tools they can't upload or download faster than this cap permits anyway.
It should be pointed out that Micro$oft's "technology" wasn't actually invented by Micro$oft but, like everything else, purchased and marketed because they wanted to sell it themselves.
jeeze. who said anything about trying to offend vegetarians, open source programmers or the eff? sounds like we just wanted to organize a bbq and eat some animal flesh. anyone is welcome (regardless of being flesh-eaters or not). actually we can roast veggies too, they're just as yummy. i'd still like to see some huge collection of/.'ers gathered together having a fun time and good food. i may not be the best at organization (you should see my desktop) but i'll help whoever wants to start!
GREAT IDEA! I actually like this. Who wants to be responsible for the organization of such an event? Being out on the east coast I'd have to drive 1/2 but I'd be willing to show my support (and love) for Perfectly Edible Tasty Animals! Might even drag my grill out with me to help roast a few. If I'm really lucky I might hit a few tasty things on the way out there.
hmm.. well maybe if your family has rats for pets. but any parent who doesn't teach their kid that killing is a "bad thing" has more to worry about than their kids watching "Survivor" (of idiots).
just for that i'm going to eat twice as many Perfectly Edible Tasty Animals in the following year. I hope you PETA people are happy, their blood is on your hands!
saw it christmas day (in a packed theater) and have to say it had some good chuckles for the buck. loved the piglizard.. definately one of the non-sappy, good laugh, not too serious movies released this holiday season. mr. ripley a good holiday classic? i think not.
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The problem is, right away is when it's needed. If OSX is delayed even longer Linux will well surpass the MacOS out there. With my Mac running LinuxPPC I see even less of a need to run MacOSX. Right now, today, I have a very good implementation of X Windows (XFree86), pretty terminals (Eterm), Emacs, the stability of unix (linux), the Gimp (a nice open source photoshop killer), apache and I'm sure I can find some good audio programs (sorry, not an audio expert here). And for MacOS compatabilty you can run MOL and get probably just as much compatability as you would with the "blue box" layer (or whatever they are calling it these days).
Oh, as for Aqua's "consistency" you should see how different it is between DR's. Not to mention it is one of the things holding up OSX. And the MacOS it is not.
I think there is little reason that is quickly eroding away. I hope Apple can do something and relatively fast. Like I said I will keep buying Apple's excellent hardware, but the reasons for me to run their OS and therefore purchase software for that OS are dwindling.
So you're going to ask her to run MacOS X? Apple is going to discontinuue OS 9 soon enough. Who will explain to your aunt what logging in means? Oh yeah you can already do that with wondows.
MacOS X sill not run every app you have today and probably not even a few you buy tomorrow. I certainly know my DR copies do not run all of today's apps. OS9 doesn't run all of yesterday's apps, it certainly doesn't run all the apps I ran on my Mac 128 way back when.
Are you saying the MacOS doesn't have a long list of "needed" software? How about some decent competition to Qucken? Not to mention a good small business package to replace QuickBooks. We sure could use a good voice-recgonition program, yeah we have ViaVoice but the PC has a lot more choices. The Linux "to do" list is long too, yes, but it's catching up A LOT faster than the Mac's list, not to mention a lot of this quality software is open-source and freely available.
And please, don't tell me your Mac has never acted buggy because of some strange extension conflict and you had to search a site or two (versiontracker or MacFixIt) for the solution. Looking for new linux software? You don't have to look much further than freshmeat or appwatch. If a single source for software meant great quality control then Windows would be blowing away every OS out there, they are the single largest OS vendor aren't they? Apple is a single company and still has quality control problems within its OS. One company making its hardware and software does *not* guarantee a perfect stable platform.
Like I said in my original post, Apple makes great hardware, infact I like their hardware compared to other companies hardware much more than their OS vs. other OS's out there (yes, I think MacOS 9.x better than Windows, but not better than linux).
Lets look at this scenario. MacOS X (which I just read has been delayed until March at the earliest because of Aqua) is released, a few applications make the migration over but because of Linux's large installed base it flutters but never gains wide acceptance. If Apple's software (OS these days since it killed off Claris) dies then so does the hardware with it. If the companies were separate Apple Hardware could keep going for years cranking out excellent hardware with innovations like airport networking regardless of what OS it is running (yes, I can and do use my Airport with LinuxPPC).
I'm not saying Apple's model isn't working NOW. Apparently it is, but what about the future?
The point I was trying to make in my original post (that you apparently missed) is that Linux runs on the MacOS now. MacOS X is probably a year away, if we're lucky, copland was due in what, 1996? Linux is gaining more applications and support every day. MacOS X has verbal support of a few major players who are going to carbonize their applications but how many are going to do true ports over to MacOS X? My reason for going with MacOS X dwindles every day, others reasons for going with Linux on their Mac hadware increases.
"Their greatest strength" as you put it can also be their greatest weakness bringing them both down.
I wonder not so much about Apple's hardware versus their software. They make some great pieces of hardware and bring it to the masses before a lot of other companies. Look at Apple's 22" Cinema display or Airport networking.
I've been using LinuxPPC for a while now on my PowerBook 2000. I can dual-boot with the MacOS (9) if I want to or even better use MacOnLinux. Why should I load MacOSX? I have a great, well supported, stable version of Linux and can still run my MacOS applications (ok, there are some exceptions, Diablo2 won't run because of copy protection). OSX still isn't here and developers are only slowly announcing support.
I'll continue to buy Apple hardware because they make good things, but will I continue to run Apple's OS (and therefore support MacOS software vendors)? Only time will tell.
Apple should have split up their hardware and software divisions long ago. Even if one goes out of business the other has a better chance of surviving.
i don't have a cable modem but know some people who do. their modems all have a cap pre-set into the modem. without using "illegal" tools they can't upload or download faster than this cap permits anyway.
maybe they wanted yet more cash?
It should be pointed out that Micro$oft's "technology" wasn't actually invented by Micro$oft but, like everything else, purchased and marketed because they wanted to sell it themselves.
jeeze. who said anything about trying to offend vegetarians, open source programmers or the eff? sounds like we just wanted to organize a bbq and eat some animal flesh. anyone is welcome (regardless of being flesh-eaters or not). actually we can roast veggies too, they're just as yummy. i'd still like to see some huge collection of /.'ers gathered together having a fun time and good food. i may not be the best at organization (you should see my desktop) but i'll help whoever wants to start!
GREAT IDEA! I actually like this. Who wants to be responsible for the organization of such an event? Being out on the east coast I'd have to drive 1/2 but I'd be willing to show my support (and love) for Perfectly Edible Tasty Animals! Might even drag my grill out with me to help roast a few. If I'm really lucky I might hit a few tasty things on the way out there.
hmm.. well maybe if your family has rats for pets. but any parent who doesn't teach their kid that killing is a "bad thing" has more to worry about than their kids watching "Survivor" (of idiots).
just for that i'm going to eat twice as many Perfectly Edible Tasty Animals in the following year. I hope you PETA people are happy, their blood is on your hands!
saw it christmas day (in a packed theater) and have to say it had some good chuckles for the buck. loved the piglizard.. definately one of the non-sappy, good laugh, not too serious movies released this holiday season. mr. ripley a good holiday classic? i think not.
have to agree, great film, worth seeing instead of the usual holywood fare..