And sometimes a vendor sits on its collective ass and does nothing until the exploit is made public, at which point they will frantically deny that the exploit was their fault, blame hackers for the problem, try to shift the focus to someone else, and then eventually get a fix out and try to make themselves look like the good guys.
If software already exists to perform all these tasks, then his package would be very derivative, and not worthy of its own patent. Unless he's done something very unique or non-obvious with it, then I don't see the point.
We can only hope that this technology will meet the same fate as DIVX. If it doesn't, there's going to be a lot of pressure for publishers everywhere to use it to increase profits. That would be very, very bad. Education is bad enough in this country without making it even more difficult for people to get their hands on books.
You most certainly should be able to tell people where to buy crack. You should say, "Go down this street about 3 blocks and take a left. There's a Walgreens about half a mile down." Then that person can show their prescription and buy their crack, or whatever drug they happen to need. The problem is that the WoD is bullshit in the first place. We can smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, why can't we smoke pot or use cocaine? Any of them can screw up your life and health if you abuse them. They're all addictive to some extent. The WoD is a complete failure and we should put an end to it now. There have been countless human rights abuses perpetrated by the US in the name of the WoD. Thousands of people are sitting in prison for years for having a couple of joints on them. This war has been going on for decades now. When the hell will this country wake up and realize how fucking idiotic this damn war is? How many people will have their lives ruined because of a petty, victimless "crime." How many people's rights will be disregarded because of the exceptions our government makes to the law when drugs are involved?
That's a terribly romantic notion you have, and you could probably even turn it into a movie plot if you wanted to. The problem is that geeks as a group are terribly outgunned in the sense that they cannot bring the kind of money, power, focus, and influence to bear on a problem that the big media industry can. Media has the ability to influence popular opinion. If open source software or free software can be turned into phrases that carry a negative cannotation, and the public can be made to think that they are bad things that hurt artists and hard-working Americans everywhere, then we are screwed. Don't go thinking that we hold all the cards. You're way off base.
If it was that simple, we wouldn't have much of a problem. You can stick your head in the sand and keep thinking that the judicial system is not predjudice, but that just makes you willfully ignorant. Most judges are old white guys who have learned to be predjudice from their parents, who in turn learned it from their parents, etc. Yes, it's gotten better over time, but it is still very very real, and a lot more widespread than anyone would care to admit. The poster was right, black people usually do get a harsher sentence than a white person for committing the exact same crime. "You do the crime, you do the time" is not really the issue. The issue is that 2 people doing the same crime should do the same time, all other things being equal. Unfortunately, things often don't work that way.
Breakins to big-name sites make news. FBI catching perpetrators of those breakins makes news. Congress notices the news. Congress increases FBI budget for chasing computer-crime perps. Hence, it's about money.
"System" may or may not mean or include the OS. Your own biases are leading you to interpret it as meaning that the OS did not crash, which the statement certainly doesn't support. Interpreting a "system crash" as an OS failure (among other things) makes more sense than interpreting it as meaning that the OS did not crash. At least in the absence of further information.
As for your "tip," I don't think I'm especially biased toward Linux anyway. It's not my primary OS. I only run it on one 486 box at home for a firewall.
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This has got to be the most pointless circular argument i've ever heard.
I seem to know at least as much as you. I know exactly what you're saying, but you made the claim that the OS was not at fault. What facts presented in the article allow you to conclude that? The facts seem to support my conclusion more than yours since yours relies on the "inept reporter" being wrong about the OS crashing, which we don't know for sure. Additionally, it wasn't the reporter who said the OS crashed, he was paraphrasing a memo from Vice Admiral Griffin, apparently using the memo's exact words for that portion. I would assume that the Admiral got that information from someone who was administering the system. But again, none of this is really confirmed. But it certainly doesn't support your claim that the OS was not at fault.
My point was that restarting the app shouldn't require the ship to be towed back to the harbor. However, I can see a system-wide crash causing that to happen. All in all, it sounds like a poorly designed system, whether part of the problem is NT is not entirely clear, but from the article, it appears that NT was part of the problem.
I don't normally stoop to name calling. But you take the cake. You are a hypocritical idiot. You take the same information, from the same article, and claim in this post that it was not the fault of the OS. If the information in the article is so suspect and cannot be reasonably analyzed due to its likely innacurracy, then how can you make such a claim? But you don't stop there. Now you claim that I am trying to read something into the article and make conclusions based on my personal biases. Give me a break. I made an analysis of the facts as they were presented in the article and from that determined that it was probably both an application and OS failure. For some reason you seem to think that your analysis and biases hold more weight than anyone elses. You should quit complaining about stupidity on Slashdot. From reading your posts, you are a prime contributor.
The key point is that this was an application failure, it was not an OS failure.
No, the key point is that a crashing application should not take down the OS, and certainly not all the other NT machines on the LAN as well. This indicates an OS failure in addition to the application failure, or at the very least a design flaw of the highest magnitude (which could possibly include the choice of NT as the OS).
As others pointed out, a crashing app taking down the OS is the fault of the OS, or at least the OS administrators who let the app run with priveleges that allow it to crash the OS. This again may be the fault of the OS, or at least the designers choice of OS if they can't make the app run without having that level of control.
You pretty much just reiterated my point. The War on Drugs is a dismal failure at accomplishing its stated goals. It has however resulted in the imprisonment of thousands of people for very minor and victimless crimes. That's what I'm afraid of seeing if media corps get their way with copyright law. Apparently we agree about the damage that the music industry has sustained (i.e. none).
I think you're making the two things (helix software and phone service) out to be more different than they really are in this case. The software is just a facilitation device for helix to deliver its services. You can use the software for free and never purchase a single service from them, and that's ok. So they really aren't making money on the software, but they do need to have a delivery method for services, which is the role that the software fills.
Either the little guy offers services like Helix and MS, or he doesn't, which means he's not offering the best value. This is going to happen with or without Helix. Either MS gets the whole market, or it gets split between MS, Helix, and whoever else manages to come up with something good. With Gnome and KDE being open source, Helix and MS could very well get a another competitor or three. If there's money in it, they probably will.
Additionally, the software isn't being given away free in the sense that IE5 is given away free. The source is available free as well. It's the services that will make the money. Whoever can provide the best services for the lowest cost will get the customers. This could very well lead to some serious fragmentation as each service provider tinkers with the software and offers their own updates. Unless the software is made to be completely independent of the service providers, we're likely heading down a bumpy road.
Do you know all the other brands that are owned by Sony? Buying those is the same as buying Sony. You might want to do some research. Someone pointed out Aiwa as being owned by Sony earlier. We really need a list.
(Anyone ever think of making use of a kind of cookie that keeps tabs on how many times someone downloads/uploads/aborts uploads, and being able to see those stats... think about it... if they aren't going to share (Lots of upload aborts, few successful uploads) or are not stable... no point in dealing with them then. Kinda reminds be of the WLT(win loss tie) scores in Starcraft battle.net)
Not sure of any way you could do this and make it tamper-proof. Battlenet worked because the info was kept on a central server... something that the napster clones are actively avoiding for legal reasons.
of course no one is scared of these idle threats from sony; we all know sony will soon be missing more and more limbs as music if freed and their "continual profit stream" is severely reduced.
Anyone who is not scared of Sony's threats is a fool. Don't underestimate the power to buy legislation. This could easily turn into another "War on Drugs" situation. We'll have the "War on Piracy" in full swing and people being thrown in jail for loaning a CD to a friend. We'll have mandatory minimum sentences for copyright infringement. Nearly any infringement will be considered a felony with a minimum sentence of 2 years in prison.
There's also the point that, AFAIK, the "continual profit stream" hasn't been touched by mp3 trading. If someone can point me to some evidence, I'd love to see it.
Why do you think Hollywood is contributing millions and millions of dollars to the DNC, Al Gore and the Clintons (plural).
They're contributing millions to shrub and the republicans too. It's not gonna make a bit of difference which one you vote for. They're both in the pockets of hollywood and the software and telecom industries. That's been pointed out many times. All these corps are contributing tons of cash to both parties. With legislation like UCITA and the DMCA, we're well and truly screwed, and if either Shrub or Gore get into office, it's only gonna get worse. Vote for a third-party candidate (assuming its not Buchanan... that wouldn't be any better, but for different reasons). It's not a wasted vote. A vote for Shrub or Gore is a real wasted vote.
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And sometimes a vendor sits on its collective ass and does nothing until the exploit is made public, at which point they will frantically deny that the exploit was their fault, blame hackers for the problem, try to shift the focus to someone else, and then eventually get a fix out and try to make themselves look like the good guys.
If software already exists to perform all these tasks, then his package would be very derivative, and not worthy of its own patent. Unless he's done something very unique or non-obvious with it, then I don't see the point.
We can only hope that this technology will meet the same fate as DIVX. If it doesn't, there's going to be a lot of pressure for publishers everywhere to use it to increase profits. That would be very, very bad. Education is bad enough in this country without making it even more difficult for people to get their hands on books.
You most certainly should be able to tell people where to buy crack. You should say, "Go down this street about 3 blocks and take a left. There's a Walgreens about half a mile down." Then that person can show their prescription and buy their crack, or whatever drug they happen to need. The problem is that the WoD is bullshit in the first place. We can smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, why can't we smoke pot or use cocaine? Any of them can screw up your life and health if you abuse them. They're all addictive to some extent. The WoD is a complete failure and we should put an end to it now. There have been countless human rights abuses perpetrated by the US in the name of the WoD. Thousands of people are sitting in prison for years for having a couple of joints on them. This war has been going on for decades now. When the hell will this country wake up and realize how fucking idiotic this damn war is? How many people will have their lives ruined because of a petty, victimless "crime." How many people's rights will be disregarded because of the exceptions our government makes to the law when drugs are involved?
That's only because the War on Drugs has pretty much disregarded the Constitution as well as common sense.
That's a terribly romantic notion you have, and you could probably even turn it into a movie plot if you wanted to. The problem is that geeks as a group are terribly outgunned in the sense that they cannot bring the kind of money, power, focus, and influence to bear on a problem that the big media industry can. Media has the ability to influence popular opinion. If open source software or free software can be turned into phrases that carry a negative cannotation, and the public can be made to think that they are bad things that hurt artists and hard-working Americans everywhere, then we are screwed. Don't go thinking that we hold all the cards. You're way off base.
Just to clarify, Apache itself is open source, regardless of what OS it's running on.
If it was that simple, we wouldn't have much of a problem. You can stick your head in the sand and keep thinking that the judicial system is not predjudice, but that just makes you willfully ignorant. Most judges are old white guys who have learned to be predjudice from their parents, who in turn learned it from their parents, etc. Yes, it's gotten better over time, but it is still very very real, and a lot more widespread than anyone would care to admit. The poster was right, black people usually do get a harsher sentence than a white person for committing the exact same crime. "You do the crime, you do the time" is not really the issue. The issue is that 2 people doing the same crime should do the same time, all other things being equal. Unfortunately, things often don't work that way.
Breakins to big-name sites make news. FBI catching perpetrators of those breakins makes news. Congress notices the news. Congress increases FBI budget for chasing computer-crime perps. Hence, it's about money.
"System" may or may not mean or include the OS. Your own biases are leading you to interpret it as meaning that the OS did not crash, which the statement certainly doesn't support. Interpreting a "system crash" as an OS failure (among other things) makes more sense than interpreting it as meaning that the OS did not crash. At least in the absence of further information.
As for your "tip," I don't think I'm especially biased toward Linux anyway. It's not my primary OS. I only run it on one 486 box at home for a firewall.
This has got to be the most pointless circular argument i've ever heard.
I seem to know at least as much as you. I know exactly what you're saying, but you made the claim that the OS was not at fault. What facts presented in the article allow you to conclude that? The facts seem to support my conclusion more than yours since yours relies on the "inept reporter" being wrong about the OS crashing, which we don't know for sure. Additionally, it wasn't the reporter who said the OS crashed, he was paraphrasing a memo from Vice Admiral Griffin, apparently using the memo's exact words for that portion. I would assume that the Admiral got that information from someone who was administering the system. But again, none of this is really confirmed. But it certainly doesn't support your claim that the OS was not at fault.
My point was that restarting the app shouldn't require the ship to be towed back to the harbor. However, I can see a system-wide crash causing that to happen. All in all, it sounds like a poorly designed system, whether part of the problem is NT is not entirely clear, but from the article, it appears that NT was part of the problem.
I don't normally stoop to name calling. But you take the cake. You are a hypocritical idiot. You take the same information, from the same article, and claim in this post that it was not the fault of the OS. If the information in the article is so suspect and cannot be reasonably analyzed due to its likely innacurracy, then how can you make such a claim? But you don't stop there. Now you claim that I am trying to read something into the article and make conclusions based on my personal biases. Give me a break. I made an analysis of the facts as they were presented in the article and from that determined that it was probably both an application and OS failure. For some reason you seem to think that your analysis and biases hold more weight than anyone elses. You should quit complaining about stupidity on Slashdot. From reading your posts, you are a prime contributor.
If it was just an app crashing, why the hell would they have to tow the damn ship back to harbor to fix it?
The key point is that this was an application failure, it was not an OS failure.
No, the key point is that a crashing application should not take down the OS, and certainly not all the other NT machines on the LAN as well. This indicates an OS failure in addition to the application failure, or at the very least a design flaw of the highest magnitude (which could possibly include the choice of NT as the OS).
As others pointed out, a crashing app taking down the OS is the fault of the OS, or at least the OS administrators who let the app run with priveleges that allow it to crash the OS. This again may be the fault of the OS, or at least the designers choice of OS if they can't make the app run without having that level of control.
You pretty much just reiterated my point. The War on Drugs is a dismal failure at accomplishing its stated goals. It has however resulted in the imprisonment of thousands of people for very minor and victimless crimes. That's what I'm afraid of seeing if media corps get their way with copyright law. Apparently we agree about the damage that the music industry has sustained (i.e. none).
I think you're making the two things (helix software and phone service) out to be more different than they really are in this case. The software is just a facilitation device for helix to deliver its services. You can use the software for free and never purchase a single service from them, and that's ok. So they really aren't making money on the software, but they do need to have a delivery method for services, which is the role that the software fills.
So Ticketmaster is making money off the phone company and their ISP?
Either the little guy offers services like Helix and MS, or he doesn't, which means he's not offering the best value. This is going to happen with or without Helix. Either MS gets the whole market, or it gets split between MS, Helix, and whoever else manages to come up with something good. With Gnome and KDE being open source, Helix and MS could very well get a another competitor or three. If there's money in it, they probably will.
Additionally, the software isn't being given away free in the sense that IE5 is given away free. The source is available free as well. It's the services that will make the money. Whoever can provide the best services for the lowest cost will get the customers. This could very well lead to some serious fragmentation as each service provider tinkers with the software and offers their own updates. Unless the software is made to be completely independent of the service providers, we're likely heading down a bumpy road.
Do you know all the other brands that are owned by Sony? Buying those is the same as buying Sony. You might want to do some research. Someone pointed out Aiwa as being owned by Sony earlier. We really need a list.
(Anyone ever think of making use of a kind of cookie that keeps tabs on how many times someone downloads/uploads/aborts uploads, and being able to see those stats... think about it... if they aren't going to share (Lots of upload aborts, few successful uploads) or are not stable... no point in dealing with them then. Kinda reminds be of the WLT(win loss tie) scores in Starcraft battle.net)
Not sure of any way you could do this and make it tamper-proof. Battlenet worked because the info was kept on a central server... something that the napster clones are actively avoiding for legal reasons.
of course no one is scared of these idle threats from sony; we all know sony will soon be missing more and more limbs as music if freed and their "continual profit stream" is severely reduced.
Anyone who is not scared of Sony's threats is a fool. Don't underestimate the power to buy legislation. This could easily turn into another "War on Drugs" situation. We'll have the "War on Piracy" in full swing and people being thrown in jail for loaning a CD to a friend. We'll have mandatory minimum sentences for copyright infringement. Nearly any infringement will be considered a felony with a minimum sentence of 2 years in prison.
There's also the point that, AFAIK, the "continual profit stream" hasn't been touched by mp3 trading. If someone can point me to some evidence, I'd love to see it.
Why do you think Hollywood is contributing millions and millions of dollars to the DNC, Al Gore and the Clintons (plural).
They're contributing millions to shrub and the republicans too. It's not gonna make a bit of difference which one you vote for. They're both in the pockets of hollywood and the software and telecom industries. That's been pointed out many times. All these corps are contributing tons of cash to both parties. With legislation like UCITA and the DMCA, we're well and truly screwed, and if either Shrub or Gore get into office, it's only gonna get worse. Vote for a third-party candidate (assuming its not Buchanan... that wouldn't be any better, but for different reasons). It's not a wasted vote. A vote for Shrub or Gore is a real wasted vote.