Enterprise is a huge part of the history of human science an exploration. Damage to it is news. I bet you'd complain that it was a slow news day if a major storm blew through Paris and water damaged the Mona Lisa too, eh?
Yet people still buy it. Who are to/he/I to say that it's excessive? People are willing to pay the 3x markup to Apple for what they are offering. Why do you think that private transaction between two parties has anything to do with you?
And to re-quote from above, it appears that he posted it on his own wall, then someone else entirely took a screengrab of his posting and potsed it to the official Find April facebook page. Once again, totally changes the standpoint. The original joke-poster was in bad-taste, but on his own wall is not too bad. Whoever re-posted it is the prick and it's him/her that should have been arrested.
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."
-- President Obama, addressing the United Nations General Assembly
How is a simple quote from the POTUS speaking to the UN, with no other comment or text, a "Troll" post?
Seems like some people want that quote buried. I wonder why they don't want people in general to be aware of it?
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I would *guess* that it's because the quote is largely irrelevant and obviously trolling for responses. "Troll" and "Flamebait" tend to get a bit mixed up on/.
The article doesn't say where the joke was posted. If it was on April's parent's Facebook page then a charge seems reasonable. If it's somewhere else, then it's clearly not reasonable.
This is one of the very few comments that actually deals with the most important part of the affair - which the media doesn't seem to have said.
Because who decides what is too offensive? The government?
If you actually want the answer to this question, then it's "the courts of law" (I'm sure that there is a specific one to deal with this, but I don't know enough about the system). The law courts are deliberately NOT answerable to the government to prevent interference from the current incumbents.
We never did see this coming, They build a cheap phone(y) (what was it again, 180 dollar to build?), sell it for triple the price...
I never understand how people seem to expect that if all the components of a device add up to $x, that you should be able to buy the device for $x. I'm not saying that Apple don't put a big markup on their devices, but do you think that it's free to do all the design, assembly and development of the OS/software?
Seriously, as a designer myself I can only shake my head when I read stuff like this.
It may be true that "traditional visual metaphors no longer translate to modern users", but what about older users?
Visual metaphores are just easier than text as you can get the information from a quick glance. Who cares if they don't really represent what they are anymore. People seeing the following road-sign know instantly that they are approaching a speed camera but no-one's really used a camera that looked like this with the concertina-front in about 100 years. Just because modern cameras don't look like this anymore doesn't mean we should go out and replace all our road-signs with more accurate ones. That's why the phone icon, the camera icon and the floppy-disk-to-save icon will not go away. Because everyone knows what they mean.
Exactly. Why do designers put pretty effects like wood, brushed chrome and glass in? Because they make it look pretty, and people like pretty things. Sure, it doesn't really add any functionality and you could do it entirely with a single block of colour like Google's new 'clean' interfaces or Windows 8 (formerly-known-as) Metro. But given the choice between two interfaces that do the same thing, one pretty and one bland, I'll choose the pretty one every time.
Case in point: your reply, and the fact that my comment was modded down despite being a perfectly valid point.
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I still have my Mac Classic tucked away somewhere, and I've owned a Macbook and an iMac before my current MB Pro, as well as numerous iPods and an iPhone 3G.
Interesting to see you get modded down for criticism of Apple toys, but then as soon as you 'fess up to owning numerous Apple toys, you get modded up to +5 on both posts!
As a researcher you probably have the benefit of large work-tables to spread the papers out on and the luxury of not having to pay a non-negligible sum of money for the weight of all your research papers and probably have the luxury of ample storage. Airline pilots don't have those.
Plus they can quite probably counteract the problems of power outages, dead batteries, viruses etc but taking a charger or indeed (gasp!) a second one (which I believe is the plan).
Do what I do. Start it paused, but then put your phone/pad/musicy in your pocket and say to the stewards when they ask that the music is off but you're using your headphones as ear defenders to make the flight quieter. Then slip your hand in your pocket and start it playing again.
I do this even if I'm not listening to music, just to make the takeoff quieter. If I'm not listening to music I'll have the other end of the headphones unplugged and in obvious view for their benefit.
Sure you might be technically correct, but the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel is obviously a bit more than just "paint manipulation" -- it required thought, design, artistry, etc -- all of which are aspects encompassed by the term "software" as well that goes far beyond the basic mathematics.
Yes, you're totally correct. But the problem is that those things should be (and are) covered by copyright (until it expires). The ceiling of the Sistine chapel is indeed a fantastic creation, but having it 'patented' in the same way that software (and now gene) patents are applied would prevent anyone else from painting the ceiling of anything, or painting the image of God on anything else, rather than protecting his actual artwork he created.
OK, man, but your argument has been countered successfully
One of the reasons behind my argument, yes, but the main reason that I was pointing to with a few examples (risk-averseness) you've basically agreed with "Can you imagine the suits in the director board meeting taking the chances for such an association?"
I'm not trying to tell you how to set up BT correctly, I'm giving you reasons why companies *may* prefer just to serve the data via HTTP - easier and less hassle and risk for them to server via HTTP rather than BT. At some point it's going to be cheaper for them to pay for excess bandwidth than do investigations, trials, risk assessements etc.
I'm not an expert on torrents, but I would imagine that the main reason is that they're telling the users to essentially get the update from an unvalidated source (other torrenters). I know that there are restrictions in how torrents work (verifying hashes of the downloaded chunks etc) but there is a possible attack vector in people poisoning the torrent feed and trying to push malicious packets to consumers.
Secondly, the cost/bandwidth associated for the companies isn't a major factor. It may look a large sum of money to us laymen, but in the scope of the cost of the software development, the cost of distribution is tiny. Companies work based on risk. There is little risk associated with them serving all the updates via HTTP and a low cost. The risk associated with distributed via torrent is higher and so not worth it for Adobe/MS etc.
A third point is user experience. At present, Bittorrent clients aren't incorporated into *all* browsers, meaning that less tech-savvy users won't be able to download the updates unless they install a BT client or the updater is written to download via BT. Then there is the fact that ISPs throttle BT heavily so downloads for end-users *can* be slow. Then there's the uploading - many people may be on bandwidth caps so it's not worth Adobe/MS risking problems by inadvertently blowing customer's broadband limits with their BT uploads.
In short, whilst some companies (Blizzard I think, but a major game anyway) may distribute updates via BT, for a lot of companies it's just not worth the extra hassle and potential problems and it's just *easier* in pretty much every way for them to distribute via their own HTTP servers. Also, CDNs help save on bandwidth a LOT.
I mean, virtually all other options with turn-by-turn voice navigation have either a $50 price tag (TomTom, Navigon, Magellan), or a recurring subscription price (TeleNav Scout, MotionX, GoKivo, etc).
Trying it out with a route from my house to a friend's, it takes me the 4.4 mile road route along the A36 rather than than the 5.6 mile route through the new forest that avoids the main road and is a peaceful cycle.
Putting my route to work in, it takes me along a main road rather than along the cycle-path that is about 10m parallel to the road for about a mile (that it has marked on it's maps but chooses to ignore).
Yeah, I don't understand this either. If the Higgs boson gives all other particles mass, how can it weigh 133 times more than a proton? What gives the proton mass? It can't be 1/133th of a Higgs surely?
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Enterprise is a huge part of the history of human science an exploration. Damage to it is news. I bet you'd complain that it was a slow news day if a major storm blew through Paris and water damaged the Mona Lisa too, eh?
Yet people still buy it. Who are to/he/I to say that it's excessive? People are willing to pay the 3x markup to Apple for what they are offering. Why do you think that private transaction between two parties has anything to do with you?
And to re-quote from above, it appears that he posted it on his own wall, then someone else entirely took a screengrab of his posting and potsed it to the official Find April facebook page. Once again, totally changes the standpoint. The original joke-poster was in bad-taste, but on his own wall is not too bad. Whoever re-posted it is the prick and it's him/her that should have been arrested.
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"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."
-- President Obama, addressing the United Nations General Assembly
How is a simple quote from the POTUS speaking to the UN, with no other comment or text, a "Troll" post?
Seems like some people want that quote buried. I wonder why they don't want people in general to be aware of it?
Strat
I would *guess* that it's because the quote is largely irrelevant and obviously trolling for responses. "Troll" and "Flamebait" tend to get a bit mixed up on /.
Do we know if he heard it?
The article doesn't say where the joke was posted. If it was on April's parent's Facebook page then a charge seems reasonable. If it's somewhere else, then it's clearly not reasonable.
This is one of the very few comments that actually deals with the most important part of the affair - which the media doesn't seem to have said.
Because who decides what is too offensive? The government?
If you actually want the answer to this question, then it's "the courts of law" (I'm sure that there is a specific one to deal with this, but I don't know enough about the system). The law courts are deliberately NOT answerable to the government to prevent interference from the current incumbents.
Wow,
We never did see this coming, They build a cheap phone(y) (what was it again, 180 dollar to build?), sell it for triple the price ...
I never understand how people seem to expect that if all the components of a device add up to $x, that you should be able to buy the device for $x. I'm not saying that Apple don't put a big markup on their devices, but do you think that it's free to do all the design, assembly and development of the OS/software?
Seriously, as a designer myself I can only shake my head when I read stuff like this.
It may be true that "traditional visual metaphors no longer translate to modern users", but what about older users?
Visual metaphores are just easier than text as you can get the information from a quick glance. Who cares if they don't really represent what they are anymore. People seeing the following road-sign know instantly that they are approaching a speed camera but no-one's really used a camera that looked like this with the concertina-front in about 100 years. Just because modern cameras don't look like this anymore doesn't mean we should go out and replace all our road-signs with more accurate ones. That's why the phone icon, the camera icon and the floppy-disk-to-save icon will not go away. Because everyone knows what they mean.
In fact, we should consider calling them something other than folders too....
In the linux world (and pre-Windows-95 world), we call them 'directories'
Exactly. Why do designers put pretty effects like wood, brushed chrome and glass in? Because they make it look pretty, and people like pretty things. Sure, it doesn't really add any functionality and you could do it entirely with a single block of colour like Google's new 'clean' interfaces or Windows 8 (formerly-known-as) Metro. But given the choice between two interfaces that do the same thing, one pretty and one bland, I'll choose the pretty one every time.
Case in point: your reply, and the fact that my comment was modded down despite being a perfectly valid point.
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I still have my Mac Classic tucked away somewhere, and I've owned a Macbook and an iMac before my current MB Pro, as well as numerous iPods and an iPhone 3G.
Interesting to see you get modded down for criticism of Apple toys, but then as soon as you 'fess up to owning numerous Apple toys, you get modded up to +5 on both posts!
As a researcher you probably have the benefit of large work-tables to spread the papers out on and the luxury of not having to pay a non-negligible sum of money for the weight of all your research papers and probably have the luxury of ample storage. Airline pilots don't have those.
Plus they can quite probably counteract the problems of power outages, dead batteries, viruses etc but taking a charger or indeed (gasp!) a second one (which I believe is the plan).
Do what I do. Start it paused, but then put your phone/pad/musicy in your pocket and say to the stewards when they ask that the music is off but you're using your headphones as ear defenders to make the flight quieter. Then slip your hand in your pocket and start it playing again. I do this even if I'm not listening to music, just to make the takeoff quieter. If I'm not listening to music I'll have the other end of the headphones unplugged and in obvious view for their benefit.
Same thing goes for the pilot's eyeballs. I'm pretty sure they're smart enough to think of taking a spare.
Sure you might be technically correct, but the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel is obviously a bit more than just "paint manipulation" -- it required thought, design, artistry, etc -- all of which are aspects encompassed by the term "software" as well that goes far beyond the basic mathematics.
Yes, you're totally correct. But the problem is that those things should be (and are) covered by copyright (until it expires). The ceiling of the Sistine chapel is indeed a fantastic creation, but having it 'patented' in the same way that software (and now gene) patents are applied would prevent anyone else from painting the ceiling of anything, or painting the image of God on anything else, rather than protecting his actual artwork he created.
OK, man, but your argument has been countered successfully
One of the reasons behind my argument, yes, but the main reason that I was pointing to with a few examples (risk-averseness) you've basically agreed with "Can you imagine the suits in the director board meeting taking the chances for such an association?"
I'm not trying to tell you how to set up BT correctly, I'm giving you reasons why companies *may* prefer just to serve the data via HTTP - easier and less hassle and risk for them to server via HTTP rather than BT. At some point it's going to be cheaper for them to pay for excess bandwidth than do investigations, trials, risk assessements etc.
Good thing you started with the disclaimer since the protocol automatically hashes every chuck making this a non-issue.
But who do you get the hash from? If it's from a peer then the hash could presumably be poisoned too?
I'm not an expert on torrents, but I would imagine that the main reason is that they're telling the users to essentially get the update from an unvalidated source (other torrenters). I know that there are restrictions in how torrents work (verifying hashes of the downloaded chunks etc) but there is a possible attack vector in people poisoning the torrent feed and trying to push malicious packets to consumers.
Secondly, the cost/bandwidth associated for the companies isn't a major factor. It may look a large sum of money to us laymen, but in the scope of the cost of the software development, the cost of distribution is tiny. Companies work based on risk. There is little risk associated with them serving all the updates via HTTP and a low cost. The risk associated with distributed via torrent is higher and so not worth it for Adobe/MS etc.
A third point is user experience. At present, Bittorrent clients aren't incorporated into *all* browsers, meaning that less tech-savvy users won't be able to download the updates unless they install a BT client or the updater is written to download via BT. Then there is the fact that ISPs throttle BT heavily so downloads for end-users *can* be slow. Then there's the uploading - many people may be on bandwidth caps so it's not worth Adobe/MS risking problems by inadvertently blowing customer's broadband limits with their BT uploads.
In short, whilst some companies (Blizzard I think, but a major game anyway) may distribute updates via BT, for a lot of companies it's just not worth the extra hassle and potential problems and it's just *easier* in pretty much every way for them to distribute via their own HTTP servers. Also, CDNs help save on bandwidth a LOT.
I mean, virtually all other options with turn-by-turn voice navigation have either a $50 price tag (TomTom, Navigon, Magellan), or a recurring subscription price (TeleNav Scout, MotionX, GoKivo, etc).
You've obviously never owned an android mobile.
The 1.3 mile route where it ignores the cycle path completely (just to the north of Castle Lane, about 10m from the actual road)
Trying it out with a route from my house to a friend's, it takes me the 4.4 mile road route along the A36 rather than than the 5.6 mile route through the new forest that avoids the main road and is a peaceful cycle.
Putting my route to work in, it takes me along a main road rather than along the cycle-path that is about 10m parallel to the road for about a mile (that it has marked on it's maps but chooses to ignore).
Yeah, I don't understand this either. If the Higgs boson gives all other particles mass, how can it weigh 133 times more than a proton? What gives the proton mass? It can't be 1/133th of a Higgs surely?
There are other social network sites?
Why is fucking with Google evil?
And can someone please translate "dataveillance techniques from automated Litter Brothers" to English?
Because people still believe that Google honour the 'do no evil' mantra and thus that Google must be inherently Good.
Dataveillance = Surveillance of Data. Litter Brothers I have no idea about.