But Linux wasn't coded in a forward looking fashion.
Absolutely true. The thing is we've been slowly moving to something else; samba volume shares/sshfs, java/.net/mono, virtualization, etc. Do we actually understand what is slowly happening everywhere?
The age of single machine OS is coming to an end. Even MS sees this from what I've read about Midori. I believe the future brings us a distributed OS even if it were run on a single machine. We've already got microkernel OS with services distributed throughout the net (or on a local machine) and it would be trivial to hack virtual memory subsystem to move the memory pages and process state tables around the net or integrate something like beowulf into every kernel by default. Start the local process, migrate it somewhere on the planet before shutting the local machine down and just migrate it back in the morning. Or start the process and migrate it to best available match in the available cloud.
Add some crypto, ACLs and signing mechanism, sprinkle with a bit of good will and voila!
I don't know about you, but I live in the richest nation on Earth
Richest? You must me kidding me:) Here is a great example of what U.S.A actually works like. Don't trust me? Go look at the housing market and total national debt. IIRC, U.S.A. actually went bankrupt in early 1970s. and is bankrupt to this day.
If we find an instance of life anywhere that is not on earth then it is highly significant.
It will help us to understand a little better the variables in the Drake equation.
Not to mention, it will piss every religious fundamentalist off big time.
while evolution is the current leading scientific theory by a landslide, there are other non-scientific theories out there.
There are NO other non-scientific THEORIES. God damn it, when will people learn what a THEORY is. It is exactly because of this usage of terminology we have such problems in the first place.
I propose a remedy - everyone who mixes idea/hypothesis/whatever with theory should be slapped upside down and sideways. Presto, problem solved.
Holographic media is not affected by EM fields.
Well, um, laser (and any other) light is an EM wave:D
Anyway... it seems InPhase called this system Tapestry media and rumor has it that the upper theoretical limit of the disk capacity is 1.6TB while upping the transfer rate
up to 10x the speed of DVD players. I wonder what's the writing speed...
"We spent $2,158," Why not go do everything for *free*, and save money in the future for not being trapped to antivirus subscriptions?
Ah, but then he can't just click around and pretend to admin the network just like his fellow Windows admins. bash/tcsh/zsh? SSH? Bah:) CLI is so 1970./1980.:)
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Think about it; at first policemen had no weapons (like Bobbies in U.K.). Then criminals got (machine)guns and the policemen got guns and partial protective shielding.
If this becomes standard practice what will the criminals do? Well, they'll build their own version. And what's to stop a criminal to build one with a
machine gun, simple grenade launcher or something equally troublesome? They are criminals, after all, and usually have bigger account than you local police service.
My focus is not on neat consumer feature and great graphics. I have found that Vista runs well on old hardware that is not really adequate for the new visuals. I have an old XP box (Dell GX620, ~ 3 GHz processor with 1 GByte of RAM) that I am running Vista business on.
Dude, 3GHz machine is not old. It's a perfectly usable machine. 1.6GHz Duron, 256MB of RAM is an old machine new OSes should run well on. Check out things like NetBSD/FreeBSD/Linux. New versions of their OS actually run _faster_ than the old ones. 3GHz machine with a gig of RAM is a turbo-sprinter. You're basically saying that a machine that does 3 BILLION tics per second is an "ok" machine to run the OS on. I'd understand if we were talking about cpu intensive work, but OS should be practically invisible to the machine.
But let's imagine for a moment that God is telling Moses the story of creation as though the observer's point of view were on Earth itself.
I've got another game for you to play; let's imagine for a moment that Moses was high on something and started hallucinating. I've read somewhere recently that no religion would exist if, at the time, there were psychiatric institutions. Hey, this guy says he was talking to a burning bush - throw him in a padded cell. Yo, this one says he is the son of God - put him in the cell with the guy that thinks he's a Napoleon. Etc, etc.
Now, I'm a believer (Roman Catholic), but things Americans pull out of their asses should really make them the laughing stock of the world. And I have no problem with making fun of them because of that. Yeah, mod me down, biatch:)
You forgot to quote the last part of the article, which says:
It should be noted that this definition has not been followed by others in the scientific community, nor, indeed, has it been widely noted.
Yeah, not a lot of people know about it.
With near unanimity, evolutionary scientists and biologists hold that a chimeric human cell line is not a distinct species.
While true for many other examples, this is not one of those. And, of course, you do understand that even human DNA is chimeric? Think fully functional viruses embedded in our DNA.
HeLa have yet to become anything that would look in the evolutionary record as anything close to human. It is a line of cancer cells which is clearly a non-advantageous adaptation in a world that lacks medical facilities that can treat the victim.
They don't have to be even remotely human. Humans aren't the holy grail of evolution, you know. The point is these cells are another species (just
as other single cellular beings are) and they evolved by cross-breeding human cells and HPV cells by gene transfer - something that happens often at this level in biology. It also explains why there are other viruses in our DNA. Who is to say that some virus helped our distant ancestors (at the very beginning of life) in some way by fusing itself in part of our DNA? Hey, if cells could "adopt" mitochondria with it's own DNA into themselves, parts (or whole) of alien RNA/DNA is there too.
Mutations in human birth have happened many times, and many of the results have a different number of chromosomes than "normal".
Yeah, if they survive and can breed they form a new species over time. If they die because of some disadvantage and can't breed they die. It's then called a deleterious mutation.
In any case, the mutation of a cell line today does nothing to prove that Evolution (Big-E) is how life began or how we got here.
It's incredible to me how people can't understand that evolution says nothing, zilch, zero, nada about how life began (abiogenesis deals with that) even after years of being corrected about the same thing. I generally mark those people as stupid.
The rest of your comment is off topic, mis-adapted for this discussion and has nothing to do with evolution.
It's not wrong, it's incomplete in extreme situations. To simplify for people like you, it means it works but has to be refined in certain conditions, ie. on the scale of very small, very large and very fast. Go read a book already.
Oh, gosh, I don't know how you'll handle this one - HeLa.
Quote:
Horizontal gene transfer from human papillomavirus 18 (HPV18) to human cervical cells created the HeLa genome which is different from either parent genome in various ways including its number of chromosomes. HeLa cells have a modal chromosome number of 82, with four copies of chromosome 12 and three copies of chromosomes 6, 8, and 17.
...
Due to their ability to replicate indefinitely, and their non-human number of chromosomes, Leigh Van Valen described HeLa as an example of the contemporary creation of a new species, Helacyton gartleri, named after Stanley M. Gartler, who Van Valen credits with discovering "the remarkable success of this species". His argument for speciation depends on three points:
The chromosomal incompatibility of HeLa cells with humans.
The ecological niche of HeLa cells.
Their ability to persist and expand well beyond the desires of human cultivators.
End quote.
In other words, boys and girls, these people witnessed the creation of a new species out of combination of human and HPV.
Thank you, Henrietta Lacks. Don't know if you supported science of evolution, but you've contributed substantially.
Is there any way that you can scientifically say that "Bill is a human; Mary is not, and her death is of no consequence"?
No, but science can tell you when something is a bunch o'cells (and perhaps just a tumor as in some cases when women carried tumors that even had hair!) and when something is a human being. Which brings us to abortion and stem cell experimentation topics. When it comes to that, who are you going to listen - science or somebody who says evolution is a lie and disproves 150 years of scientific method that works, oh, everywhere but supposedly not in biology?
It's a shame really, these days all the information is practically free - all it takes is to get a library membership card, get hooked up on the internet and with all of the free stuff universities give for free there is practically no limit to what you can learn but people don't use it. Today you can recreate the experiments on just about every topic you need, on your own and thus you don't need to "believe" in anything somebody tells you - you can see it with your own two eyes.
In my opinion, knowledge is free and ignorance is a choice far too many people are willing to make. Who decides about abortion? Who chooses the president of U.S.? Educated people? What educated people? I've recently seen a map of U.S. that was color-coded to show education structure state-by-state. The map is really nothing to brag about with a lot of states that have over 52% of people with less than 9 years of schooling. When I see what kind of schools you've got in the States I get the chills for remembering who picks the man that can push the world into a nuclear holocaust.
And when I just think about black people that got beat up or even killed for wanting to go to just ordinary school it sickens me to see todays situation.
I wonder how many of the "Vista sucks" crows are trying to run it on outdated hardware. Vista does like a lot of memory - I wouldn't touch it without at least 1.5 GB - but this isn't 2001 any more.
The problem is Vista requires 1/2 of total addressable 32bit CPU space just to run properly. Hello? That is insane. Ok, I know you run 64 bit version, but still.
All right, let's say that's ok (it's not, but just for the sake of the argument). What does Vista enable me to do by consuming 2GB of RAM? It's a freaking application launcher and API support infrastructure with drivers for hardware! Oh, sure, it also has a web browser,.net compiler and vm, paint(!), notepad(!), wordpad(!) and some small games; it all neatly fits in, what, 100MB? 500MB? 1GB? NO! Almost 10 freaking GB!
It is actually an absurd situation MS has gotten us into. Bad design, bad decisions, successful attempts to manipulate a lot of people and businesses have made their software bloatware kings on the market. The behemoth called windows is already becoming unmanageable and it shows. No amount of desktop make-up is going to cover that fact and no amount of hardware is going to save them if they continue treading this path they're on.
They are, but there's a limit to it. Mining landfills is just a temporary solution. After landfills there'll be mining graveyards (metal hips, teeth and other bones) etc, etc. But the point is still
clear - we can't grow by recycling. For that we're supposed to mine sources other than Earth.
Yes, yes, but do remember to buy a coal mine too, since you'll need a lot of energy to get those metals into a usable form. Copper needs to be 99.95% pure, remember? Aluminum is also very difficult to get (needs abnormal amount of electricity; the Washington memorial has it's tip covered in aluminum since it was more expensive than gold at the time because of manufacturing process).
Most probably the population of Earth will be greatly reduced due to the shortage of energy.
I concur. But, the problem isn't just energy. Thinking of peak oil? What about peak metals
Copper is already getting pretty thin. Not only that, the copper for our today's use has to be 99.95% pure. Zinc is on the list, too. The
estimate is that there is 26% of Earth's copper bound in non-recyclable state (ie. landfills) and
about 19% for zinc. Some estimates mention total depletion in
100yrs.
I guess we're living in the oil age between two stone ages. What's worse, humans are the first and
last chance for highly intelligent and technologically advanced species. Think about it - our development effectively started when our ancestors started getting metals out of the Earth's crust.
What is next intelligent species (or our human successors) going to use to transit themselves into the next iron/bronze/golden age? Nothing. If we fail to transform into successful space dwelling species while there is enough energy to escape the gravity well we're a failure because in that case we're designated for extinction. I guess this guy said it best.
I guess this means absolutely nothing. It's probably a trick to get insight on how theories start and circulate the complex ecosystem called the cyberspace.
On the other hand, it could be a viral marketing ploy for a movie:)
Slashdot Mirror
But Linux wasn't coded in a forward looking fashion.
Absolutely true. The thing is we've been slowly moving to something else; samba volume shares/sshfs, java/.net/mono, virtualization, etc. Do we actually understand what is slowly happening everywhere?
The age of single machine OS is coming to an end. Even MS sees this from what I've read about Midori. I believe the future brings us a distributed OS even if it were run on a single machine. We've already got microkernel OS with services distributed throughout the net (or on a local machine) and it would be trivial to hack virtual memory subsystem to move the memory pages and process state tables around the net or integrate something like beowulf into every kernel by default. Start the local process, migrate it somewhere on the planet before shutting the local machine down and just migrate it back in the morning. Or start the process and migrate it to best available match in the available cloud.
Add some crypto, ACLs and signing mechanism, sprinkle with a bit of good will and voila!
I don't know about you, but I live in the richest nation on Earth
:) Here is a great example of what U.S.A actually works like. Don't trust me? Go look at the housing market and total national debt. IIRC, U.S.A. actually went bankrupt in early 1970s. and is bankrupt to this day.
Richest? You must me kidding me
your daft if you compare microsoft's installed base to apple's. corporate users would not be able to tolerate such a dictatorial switch.
Yes, they wouldn't stand it! They'd immediately run to a more stable changeless....err.... competition?
No, they'd adjust or start their own OS/tools production. The latter seems very improbable. Don't you think?
If we find an instance of life anywhere that is not on earth then it is highly significant. It will help us to understand a little better the variables in the Drake equation.
Not to mention, it will piss every religious fundamentalist off big time.
Name one plausible environmental damage scenario (other than full-out nuclear war) that would cause a significant proportion of human extinction.
:)
What about Yellowstone?
Every 600 000 years, or so, this thing blows up and can potentially get pretty inconvenient for us bipedals
while evolution is the current leading scientific theory by a landslide, there are other non-scientific theories out there.
There are NO other non-scientific THEORIES. God damn it, when will people learn what a THEORY is. It is exactly because of this usage of terminology we have such problems in the first place.
I propose a remedy - everyone who mixes idea/hypothesis/whatever with theory should be slapped upside down and sideways. Presto, problem solved.
Holographic media is not affected by EM fields. :D
Well, um, laser (and any other) light is an EM wave
Anyway... it seems InPhase called this system Tapestry media and rumor has it that the upper theoretical limit of the disk capacity is 1.6TB while upping the transfer rate up to 10x the speed of DVD players. I wonder what's the writing speed...
"We spent $2,158," Why not go do everything for *free*, and save money in the future for not being trapped to antivirus subscriptions?
:) CLI is so 1970./1980. :)
Ah, but then he can't just click around and pretend to admin the network just like his fellow Windows admins. bash/tcsh/zsh? SSH? Bah
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Think about it; at first policemen had no weapons (like Bobbies in U.K.). Then criminals got (machine)guns and the policemen got guns and partial protective shielding.
If this becomes standard practice what will the criminals do? Well, they'll build their own version. And what's to stop a criminal to build one with a machine gun, simple grenade launcher or something equally troublesome? They are criminals, after all, and usually have bigger account than you local police service.
Number 5 would be disappointed.
My focus is not on neat consumer feature and great graphics. I have found that Vista runs well on old hardware that is not really adequate for the new visuals. I have an old XP box (Dell GX620, ~ 3 GHz processor with 1 GByte of RAM) that I am running Vista business on.
Dude, 3GHz machine is not old. It's a perfectly usable machine. 1.6GHz Duron, 256MB of RAM is an old machine new OSes should run well on. Check out things like NetBSD/FreeBSD/Linux. New versions of their OS actually run _faster_ than the old ones. 3GHz machine with a gig of RAM is a turbo-sprinter. You're basically saying that a machine that does 3 BILLION tics per second is an "ok" machine to run the OS on. I'd understand if we were talking about cpu intensive work, but OS should be practically invisible to the machine.
Cultures don't have a right to live. People have a right to live.
:)
By God, you're right. Somebody should tell those snotty Americans to stop using those big gas-guzzlers and stop dreaming of American dream
But let's imagine for a moment that God is telling Moses the story of creation as though the observer's point of view were on Earth itself.
:)
I've got another game for you to play; let's imagine for a moment that Moses was high on something and started hallucinating. I've read somewhere recently that no religion would exist if, at the time, there were psychiatric institutions. Hey, this guy says he was talking to a burning bush - throw him in a padded cell. Yo, this one says he is the son of God - put him in the cell with the guy that thinks he's a Napoleon. Etc, etc.
Now, I'm a believer (Roman Catholic), but things Americans pull out of their asses should really make them the laughing stock of the world. And I have no problem with making fun of them because of that. Yeah, mod me down, biatch
You forgot to quote the last part of the article, which says: It should be noted that this definition has not been followed by others in the scientific community, nor, indeed, has it been widely noted.
Yeah, not a lot of people know about it.
With near unanimity, evolutionary scientists and biologists hold that a chimeric human cell line is not a distinct species.
While true for many other examples, this is not one of those. And, of course, you do understand that even human DNA is chimeric? Think fully functional viruses embedded in our DNA.
HeLa have yet to become anything that would look in the evolutionary record as anything close to human. It is a line of cancer cells which is clearly a non-advantageous adaptation in a world that lacks medical facilities that can treat the victim.
They don't have to be even remotely human. Humans aren't the holy grail of evolution, you know. The point is these cells are another species (just as other single cellular beings are) and they evolved by cross-breeding human cells and HPV cells by gene transfer - something that happens often at this level in biology. It also explains why there are other viruses in our DNA. Who is to say that some virus helped our distant ancestors (at the very beginning of life) in some way by fusing itself in part of our DNA? Hey, if cells could "adopt" mitochondria with it's own DNA into themselves, parts (or whole) of alien RNA/DNA is there too.
Mutations in human birth have happened many times, and many of the results have a different number of chromosomes than "normal".
Yeah, if they survive and can breed they form a new species over time. If they die because of some disadvantage and can't breed they die. It's then called a deleterious mutation.
In any case, the mutation of a cell line today does nothing to prove that Evolution (Big-E) is how life began or how we got here.
It's incredible to me how people can't understand that evolution says nothing, zilch, zero, nada about how life began (abiogenesis deals with that) even after years of being corrected about the same thing. I generally mark those people as stupid.
The rest of your comment is off topic, mis-adapted for this discussion and has nothing to do with evolution.
What we need is a Richard Feynman Day. The date could be something witty, like 12.3. (12th of March) which could mark his I.Q. :)
Yes, there is a law of gravity, and it is WRONG.
It's not wrong, it's incomplete in extreme situations. To simplify for people like you, it means it works but has to be refined in certain conditions, ie. on the scale of very small, very large and very fast. Go read a book already.
Oh, gosh, I don't know how you'll handle this one - HeLa.
Quote:
Horizontal gene transfer from human papillomavirus 18 (HPV18) to human cervical cells created the HeLa genome which is different from either parent genome in various ways including its number of chromosomes. HeLa cells have a modal chromosome number of 82, with four copies of chromosome 12 and three copies of chromosomes 6, 8, and 17.
Due to their ability to replicate indefinitely, and their non-human number of chromosomes, Leigh Van Valen described HeLa as an example of the contemporary creation of a new species, Helacyton gartleri, named after Stanley M. Gartler, who Van Valen credits with discovering "the remarkable success of this species". His argument for speciation depends on three points:
End quote.
In other words, boys and girls, these people witnessed the creation of a new species out of combination of human and HPV.
Thank you, Henrietta Lacks. Don't know if you supported science of evolution, but you've contributed substantially.
Mars. Will. NEVER. Be. Terraformed.
Don't be so negative and pessimistic. No gravity? Big deal, we need to invent a gravity/antigravity machine and implant it into the Mars' core.
No magnetosphere? Also, a bit of ingenuity never hurt anyone. Just put two satellites with magnetic cores into orbit around the planet.
This way we could "fix" Venus, too. We just need time, money, dedication and education.
Is there any way that you can scientifically say that "Bill is a human; Mary is not, and her death is of no consequence"?
No, but science can tell you when something is a bunch o'cells (and perhaps just a tumor as in some cases when women carried tumors that even had hair!) and when something is a human being. Which brings us to abortion and stem cell experimentation topics. When it comes to that, who are you going to listen - science or somebody who says evolution is a lie and disproves 150 years of scientific method that works, oh, everywhere but supposedly not in biology?
It's a shame really, these days all the information is practically free - all it takes is to get a library membership card, get hooked up on the internet and with all of the free stuff universities give for free there is practically no limit to what you can learn but people don't use it. Today you can recreate the experiments on just about every topic you need, on your own and thus you don't need to "believe" in anything somebody tells you - you can see it with your own two eyes.
In my opinion, knowledge is free and ignorance is a choice far too many people are willing to make. Who decides about abortion? Who chooses the president of U.S.? Educated people? What educated people? I've recently seen a map of U.S. that was color-coded to show education structure state-by-state. The map is really nothing to brag about with a lot of states that have over 52% of people with less than 9 years of schooling. When I see what kind of schools you've got in the States I get the chills for remembering who picks the man that can push the world into a nuclear holocaust.
And when I just think about black people that got beat up or even killed for wanting to go to just ordinary school it sickens me to see todays situation.
but Israelis are being told to prepare for war
I wonder how many of the "Vista sucks" crows are trying to run it on outdated hardware. Vista does like a lot of memory - I wouldn't touch it without at least 1.5 GB - but this isn't 2001 any more.
.net compiler and vm, paint(!), notepad(!), wordpad(!) and some small games; it all neatly fits in, what, 100MB? 500MB? 1GB? NO! Almost 10 freaking GB!
The problem is Vista requires 1/2 of total addressable 32bit CPU space just to run properly. Hello? That is insane. Ok, I know you run 64 bit version, but still.
All right, let's say that's ok (it's not, but just for the sake of the argument). What does Vista enable me to do by consuming 2GB of RAM? It's a freaking application launcher and API support infrastructure with drivers for hardware! Oh, sure, it also has a web browser,
It is actually an absurd situation MS has gotten us into. Bad design, bad decisions, successful attempts to manipulate a lot of people and businesses have made their software bloatware kings on the market. The behemoth called windows is already becoming unmanageable and it shows. No amount of desktop make-up is going to cover that fact and no amount of hardware is going to save them if they continue treading this path they're on.
Is the following a fact or faith? The Sun will rise tomorrow (whether over clouds or otherwise). What say ye?
It's neither. The Sun doesn't "rise" - the Earth rotates. Reformulate the question to a sensible one.
They are, but there's a limit to it. Mining landfills is just a temporary solution. After landfills there'll be mining graveyards (metal hips, teeth and other bones) etc, etc. But the point is still clear - we can't grow by recycling. For that we're supposed to mine sources other than Earth.
At one point you're still going to need too much energy to extract it all. It's not as if we've got all the energy we could ever use, forever and forever and forever.
Yes, yes, but do remember to buy a coal mine too, since you'll need a lot of energy to get those metals into a usable form. Copper needs to be 99.95% pure, remember? Aluminum is also very difficult to get (needs abnormal amount of electricity; the Washington memorial has it's tip covered in aluminum since it was more expensive than gold at the time because of manufacturing process).
Most probably the population of Earth will be greatly reduced due to the shortage of energy.
I concur. But, the problem isn't just energy. Thinking of peak oil? What about peak metals Copper is already getting pretty thin. Not only that, the copper for our today's use has to be 99.95% pure. Zinc is on the list, too. The estimate is that there is 26% of Earth's copper bound in non-recyclable state (ie. landfills) and about 19% for zinc. Some estimates mention total depletion in 100yrs.
I guess we're living in the oil age between two stone ages. What's worse, humans are the first and last chance for highly intelligent and technologically advanced species. Think about it - our development effectively started when our ancestors started getting metals out of the Earth's crust. What is next intelligent species (or our human successors) going to use to transit themselves into the next iron/bronze/golden age? Nothing. If we fail to transform into successful space dwelling species while there is enough energy to escape the gravity well we're a failure because in that case we're designated for extinction. I guess this guy said it best.
I guess this means absolutely nothing. It's probably a trick to get insight on how theories start and circulate the complex ecosystem called the cyberspace.
:)
On the other hand, it could be a viral marketing ploy for a movie