A DVD player, one designed to last years, is this price at Wal*Mart. Why is a disposable device that doesn't need to have things like high load power supplies or motors or solid cases that will support a television equally expensive?
Apparently these are up to spec for southern california earthquake code. That tells me one thing, that most of the people commenting here didn't read the copy, they just looked at the pictures. But hey, the guy below that wouldn't want to SELL them wins the prize for "missing the point by the greatest margin" for 2004.
The colder the water is, the more Oxygen it holds in solution. At sdome point in the water is something called a thermocline, where the temperature changes. Deep water fish need cold water with lots of dissolved oxygen.
How about a spiral notebook? Cheap, light,compact, interoperable with most anything, and is complies with open standards. Both kinds, 8.5x11 and legal.
He didn't say they were scammers, did he? Re read the quote you posted. Doesn't say a thing about them being involved, does it? You're not being politically correct, you're being an asshole.
Ok, let's assume that you are right here. What happens when we are out of IPv6 addresses? IPv8? What about a plan to conserve IP addresses? Would that be such a horrible problem for you? Better yet, how about you convert everything to Novell or Appletalk?
Ok, I'll explain this really slow so you can understand it. NAT already works. You aren't really sure why you want a second IP address, you just know you want it for 3 cents a month. There is a lovely thing called PAT that would do exactly what you have demanded, but it's not a free IP so you don't want that. IPv6 is a pain in the ass for people like me, who would have to retrofit the whole damn internet because you need a net aware toaster. IPv4 is fine, there is no need to fix something that not only isn't broken, but isn't going to break in the near future. You claim that IPv6 will fix your problem, but I think that problem is you think you need more routable IP addresses. You can't explain what you want them for that isn't a violation of a residential use contract. Maybe you should think about what you want before you bitch that you can't have it. Just a thought.
You are intentionally being obtuse. The reason there is a shortage is that people like you are cavalier about addresses. IPv6 may be a good idea, I'm not debating that, but IPv4 is not only a good idea, it's the idea we all agreed to use. As for the multiple phone number thing, have you ever heard of a party line? Here in Kentucky it's sold as ringmaster service. Two different phone numbers, one physical line. You are a software engineer, I won't try to tell you about memory management. I am a network engineer, please don't try to school me on IP protocol.
Well, for one thing, you seem to be glossing over possibly the worst dialogue in recorded history. Is there some damn reason that everything has to be motivated by love? Isn't saving the entire human race a noble enough endeavor? "Neo, remember when you saved my life" "You mean yesterday?"
Uh, I don't know where you are from, but two phone numbers on one line has been possible and indeed sold in the United States for at least 45 years. In fact, every smartass supposition you made up there is in fact 100% accurate. Your ignorance of the situation here is breathtaking. Lemme guess- you're a web designer. Actually you were right about one thing, there are a finite amount of phone numbers. Just like IP addresses. Guess why we are running out of this massive pool of phone numbers? Because people have a cell phone, a land line, an office phone (which can use the NAT like 'extension'), a fax line, and a second line for their analog modem. Now if those people use all of those lines at once, they should pay for all of those lines. If they don't, maybe they should quit wasting those precious phone numbers. Maybe you should try to see what the ramifications of your argument are before making it in the first place and save me the trouble. It boils down to this- IP's cost money. Pennies is ridculous and only shows you have no frame of reference to make these statements.
Ok, explain to me in this wonderful world of free everything what your second machine with a routable IP will be doing. Do you feel a second phone number from the phone company should be 2 cents a month too?
First off, you are in no way a typical user if you have 6 comuters hooked up. Second, you seem to either be missing the point of the additional cost of IP's or intentionally glossing over the main issue, which is this- you need extra routable IP's to run a server. The IP isn't what you are being charged for, it's the bandwidth usage you will incur. AOL users are NATed all to hell, they never notice because they are not serving. Your one or two cents idea is foolish, and it porvesd that you don't understand this industry a bit. ISPs don't want you to use 100% of your vailible bandwidth 24x7. Routable IPs are for servers. Servers use the bandwidth all the time. Get it yet? I would consult your Terms of Service and see if you are even allowed to run servers, if not you are asking for a free IP to violate your TOS. Your ISP would be brain damaged to give them to you for pennies. Another point is this- if you claim you need these other IPs for honorable purposes, you have just illustrated WHY we are "out of IPs". Either you want them to use them a lot, thereby explaining the cost, or you want them to sit there and do nothing, whitch explains why they are so dear. People have them and do nothing with them. NAT is the solution. IPv6 is a silly pain in the butt for the people responsible for IP infrastructure. Read the RFCs and all will become clear. There is plenty of space if you know how to configure a network. I think a case could be made that if you don't know how to configure a network you should be kept as far from potentially running a server farm as possible.
I guess it wouldn't be slashdot without some Macintosh bible beater reminding us how much smarter they are than the rest of us. Try to stay on topic there, fanboy.
Acording to a quick google, I found this about the 2000 presidential election- Al Gore with 50.16 million votes, Republican candidate George W. Bush with 49.82 million votes So what this means is that as many people want to not behassled by telemarketers as voted for either Presidential candidate. If the FCC can't make that happen, then someone needs to make it happen, and quickly. The people have spoken. I don't give a damn who's department it falls under, but make it happen now.
That's based entirely on State law. We need Federal election standards here. The idea that the same people that decide Evolution is offernsive to the Jesus Crispies should not be allowed to determine their election laws. In some states, the Elector is not even required to vote the way the people in the State actually voted. It may be a Democracy, but it sure isn't a representative one with constituents.
Well, aside from the obvious "you're a moron" factor inherent in your post, you seem to have missed some salient points. First off, this isn't "no different" than stealing a CD. This is closer to taking a picture of a poster. The poster is still there to sell to the next guy. By downloading an mp3, I am not taking money out of someone's pocket, I am actually deciding not to put any in at no loss to that person. This isn't actually about theft, no matter what the RIAA would like you to think, it's about not throwing money at them every time they release a steaming load and call it music. The real issue here is this. The RIAA feels entitled to your money. If we choose not to give it to them they get angry. They will not admit even the possibility that I don't buy Britney Spears records because I don't like Britney Spears, it couldn't be because I like Britney Spears but I don't like her 21 dollars worth, it must be that I downloaded it from Napster or Karzaa or the demon of the week. You see, I had every intenetion of being a good citizen of the RIAA and sending them my 21 dollars this month, but the evil innerweb allowed me to steal it instead. That's right, steal my 21 dollars from them! The audacity of me to not pay them their shitty music tax, I should be strung up, little kid or not. Another interesting point is this: if music producers felt that mp3 was running them out of business, I strongly doubt that the incredibly savvy Sony corporation would be making both music and mp3 players. In fact, they also make cd burners to make mp3 trading easier and computers to play them on. Notice I said "music producers"- the RIAA makes nothing at all. They are a trade orginization with no product. Ms. Rosen realizes that if she can't keep this artificial mp3 menace on everyone's lips she could well be out of a job, since the RIAA doesn't actually do anything. Next thing you know they'll claim there are Weapons of Mass Destruction hidden in the Kazaa source code. It's entirely possible that this wave of litigation is an adaptive resposnse to industry pressure to justify their existence. Since their normal Senatorial bribery tactics aren't working so well lately, the lawsuits are some nominal proof that the RIAA isn't just taking a check from BMG and spending it in the Bahamas. At any rate, you have no sympathy because you don't understand the issue. It's possible that you are just an uncaring callous ass, but I suspect that it's more likely you are kinda slow or maybe work for the RIAA in some peripheral capacity. Here are some places to start your research if you would like to understand the subjects you are commenting on: First, copyright law as a method of protecting the common good as well as people that invent or create. Copyrights used to be a way for you to get paid for your hard work or a while before the Government made it a matter of public domain. Smacks of Communism? So does voting. For the people doesn't mean for the rich people, it means for all of the people. As an interesting tangental note, corporations aren't people. Corporations have no rights. Second, do some reading on the concept of selective enforcement. That basically deals with issues where it's illegal to do something, but only a small group is ever made to follow that rule, like administering a reading test before blacks are allowed to vote, but letting illiterate crackers vote without a test. Start there. If those are too hard to wrap your mind around, let me leave with this- picking on a twelve year old is a pretty shitty thing to do. People who pick on twelve year olds are at best bullies,and at worst so reprehensible and predatory that society puts their heads on pikes, either literally or figuratively. Be a sport and buy your own pike if you cast your lot with these scumbags. It'll save us some time, and then your head can be displayed on something that really brings out your eyes. Looking good is so important after all.
Has it occured to you down there in the bottom of that deep well of rebellion that MP3 aren't material? The complaint is that rather than buy CD's we choose to download the music. Think before you post. Wait, I bet you're in a local band. I bet you are suggesting we spend our music money on you instead of "them". Tool.
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A DVD player, one designed to last years, is this price at Wal*Mart. Why is a disposable device that doesn't need to have things like high load power supplies or motors or solid cases that will support a television equally expensive?
What are they innocent of, exactly?
Is there a presumption of guilt for beef cattle, ro si this just some stupid hippy snipe at omnivores?
It's an eSheep burning up on re-entry.
Don't even pretend like you don't know what eSheep is just because you're all into Linux and shit.
Apparently these are up to spec for southern california earthquake code.
That tells me one thing, that most of the people commenting here didn't read the copy, they just looked at the pictures.
But hey, the guy below that wouldn't want to SELL them wins the prize for "missing the point by the greatest margin" for 2004.
The colder the water is, the more Oxygen it holds in solution. At sdome point in the water is something called a thermocline, where the temperature changes. Deep water fish need cold water with lots of dissolved oxygen.
Sure, but people being booked into county jail aren't convicted of a crime yet, in most cases.
How about a spiral notebook? Cheap, light,compact, interoperable with most anything, and is complies with open standards.
Both kinds, 8.5x11 and legal.
He didn't say they were scammers, did he? Re read the quote you posted. Doesn't say a thing about them being involved, does it?
You're not being politically correct, you're being an asshole.
Simply select the spam above the virus mail. Hold down shift and click the spam below it. Hit delete.
Get some x-acto knives, a bottle of rubbing alcohol, and a copy of Gray's anatomy.
Now you're a surgeon!
Time will tell. Let's rekindle this in five years.
Ok, let's assume that you are right here. What happens when we are out of IPv6 addresses? IPv8? What about a plan to conserve IP addresses? Would that be such a horrible problem for you?
Better yet, how about you convert everything to Novell or Appletalk?
Ok, I'll explain this really slow so you can understand it.
NAT already works. You aren't really sure why you want a second IP address, you just know you want it for 3 cents a month. There is a lovely thing called PAT that would do exactly what you have demanded, but it's not a free IP so you don't want that.
IPv6 is a pain in the ass for people like me, who would have to retrofit the whole damn internet because you need a net aware toaster.
IPv4 is fine, there is no need to fix something that not only isn't broken, but isn't going to break in the near future.
You claim that IPv6 will fix your problem, but I think that problem is you think you need more routable IP addresses. You can't explain what you want them for that isn't a violation of a residential use contract. Maybe you should think about what you want before you bitch that you can't have it.
Just a thought.
You are intentionally being obtuse. The reason there is a shortage is that people like you are cavalier about addresses. IPv6 may be a good idea, I'm not debating that, but IPv4 is not only a good idea, it's the idea we all agreed to use.
As for the multiple phone number thing, have you ever heard of a party line? Here in Kentucky it's sold as ringmaster service. Two different phone numbers, one physical line.
You are a software engineer, I won't try to tell you about memory management. I am a network engineer, please don't try to school me on IP protocol.
Well, for one thing, you seem to be glossing over possibly the worst dialogue in recorded history. Is there some damn reason that everything has to be motivated by love? Isn't saving the entire human race a noble enough endeavor?
"Neo, remember when you saved my life"
"You mean yesterday?"
Uh, I don't know where you are from, but two phone numbers on one line has been possible and indeed sold in the United States for at least 45 years. In fact, every smartass supposition you made up there is in fact 100% accurate. Your ignorance of the situation here is breathtaking. Lemme guess- you're a web designer.
Actually you were right about one thing, there are a finite amount of phone numbers. Just like IP addresses. Guess why we are running out of this massive pool of phone numbers? Because people have a cell phone, a land line, an office phone (which can use the NAT like 'extension'), a fax line, and a second line for their analog modem.
Now if those people use all of those lines at once, they should pay for all of those lines. If they don't, maybe they should quit wasting those precious phone numbers.
Maybe you should try to see what the ramifications of your argument are before making it in the first place and save me the trouble.
It boils down to this- IP's cost money. Pennies is ridculous and only shows you have no frame of reference to make these statements.
Ok, explain to me in this wonderful world of free everything what your second machine with a routable IP will be doing. Do you feel a second phone number from the phone company should be 2 cents a month too?
I have to apologize for all the typos in that post. I feel intense shame. My lack of proofreading is inexcusable.
First off, you are in no way a typical user if you have 6 comuters hooked up. Second, you seem to either be missing the point of the additional cost of IP's or intentionally glossing over the main issue, which is this- you need extra routable IP's to run a server. The IP isn't what you are being charged for, it's the bandwidth usage you will incur. AOL users are NATed all to hell, they never notice because they are not serving.
Your one or two cents idea is foolish, and it porvesd that you don't understand this industry a bit. ISPs don't want you to use 100% of your vailible bandwidth 24x7. Routable IPs are for servers. Servers use the bandwidth all the time. Get it yet?
I would consult your Terms of Service and see if you are even allowed to run servers, if not you are asking for a free IP to violate your TOS. Your ISP would be brain damaged to give them to you for pennies.
Another point is this- if you claim you need these other IPs for honorable purposes, you have just illustrated WHY we are "out of IPs". Either you want them to use them a lot, thereby explaining the cost, or you want them to sit there and do nothing, whitch explains why they are so dear. People have them and do nothing with them.
NAT is the solution. IPv6 is a silly pain in the butt for the people responsible for IP infrastructure. Read the RFCs and all will become clear. There is plenty of space if you know how to configure a network. I think a case could be made that if you don't know how to configure a network you should be kept as far from potentially running a server farm as possible.
Indeed, there are morons everywhere. Thanks for your clear proof of that.
I guess it wouldn't be slashdot without some Macintosh bible beater reminding us how much smarter they are than the rest of us.
Try to stay on topic there, fanboy.
Acording to a quick google, I found this about the 2000 presidential election-
Al Gore with 50.16 million votes, Republican candidate George W. Bush with 49.82 million votes
So what this means is that as many people want to not behassled by telemarketers as voted for either Presidential candidate.
If the FCC can't make that happen, then someone needs to make it happen, and quickly. The people have spoken. I don't give a damn who's department it falls under, but make it happen now.
That's based entirely on State law. We need Federal election standards here. The idea that the same people that decide Evolution is offernsive to the Jesus Crispies should not be allowed to determine their election laws.
In some states, the Elector is not even required to vote the way the people in the State actually voted. It may be a Democracy, but it sure isn't a representative one with constituents.
Well, aside from the obvious "you're a moron" factor inherent in your post, you seem to have missed some salient points.
First off, this isn't "no different" than stealing a CD. This is closer to taking a picture of a poster. The poster is still there to sell to the next guy. By downloading an mp3, I am not taking money out of someone's pocket, I am actually deciding not to put any in at no loss to that person. This isn't actually about theft, no matter what the RIAA would like you to think, it's about not throwing money at them every time they release a steaming load and call it music.
The real issue here is this. The RIAA feels entitled to your money. If we choose not to give it to them they get angry. They will not admit even the possibility that I don't buy Britney Spears records because I don't like Britney Spears, it couldn't be because I like Britney Spears but I don't like her 21 dollars worth, it must be that I downloaded it from Napster or Karzaa or the demon of the week. You see, I had every intenetion of being a good citizen of the RIAA and sending them my 21 dollars this month, but the evil innerweb allowed me to steal it instead. That's right, steal my 21 dollars from them! The audacity of me to not pay them their shitty music tax, I should be strung up, little kid or not.
Another interesting point is this: if music producers felt that mp3 was running them out of business, I strongly doubt that the incredibly savvy Sony corporation would be making both music and mp3 players. In fact, they also make cd burners to make mp3 trading easier and computers to play them on. Notice I said "music producers"- the RIAA makes nothing at all. They are a trade orginization with no product. Ms. Rosen realizes that if she can't keep this artificial mp3 menace on everyone's lips she could well be out of a job, since the RIAA doesn't actually do anything. Next thing you know they'll claim there are Weapons of Mass Destruction hidden in the Kazaa source code.
It's entirely possible that this wave of litigation is an adaptive resposnse to industry pressure to justify their existence. Since their normal Senatorial bribery tactics aren't working so well lately, the lawsuits are some nominal proof that the RIAA isn't just taking a check from BMG and spending it in the Bahamas.
At any rate, you have no sympathy because you don't understand the issue. It's possible that you are just an uncaring callous ass, but I suspect that it's more likely you are kinda slow or maybe work for the RIAA in some peripheral capacity. Here are some places to start your research if you would like to understand the subjects you are commenting on:
First, copyright law as a method of protecting the common good as well as people that invent or create. Copyrights used to be a way for you to get paid for your hard work or a while before the Government made it a matter of public domain. Smacks of Communism? So does voting. For the people doesn't mean for the rich people, it means for all of the people. As an interesting tangental note, corporations aren't people. Corporations have no rights.
Second, do some reading on the concept of selective enforcement. That basically deals with issues where it's illegal to do something, but only a small group is ever made to follow that rule, like administering a reading test before blacks are allowed to vote, but letting illiterate crackers vote without a test.
Start there. If those are too hard to wrap your mind around, let me leave with this- picking on a twelve year old is a pretty shitty thing to do. People who pick on twelve year olds are at best bullies,and at worst so reprehensible and predatory that society puts their heads on pikes, either literally or figuratively. Be a sport and buy your own pike if you cast your lot with these scumbags. It'll save us some time, and then your head can be displayed on something that really brings out your eyes. Looking good is so important after all.
Has it occured to you down there in the bottom of that deep well of rebellion that MP3 aren't material? The complaint is that rather than buy CD's we choose to download the music.
Think before you post.
Wait, I bet you're in a local band. I bet you are suggesting we spend our music money on you instead of "them".
Tool.