Yep. People need to look at early exploration like Magellan
On August 10, 1519, the fleet of five ships under Magellan's command left Seville and traveled south from the Guadalquivir River to San Lucar de Barrameda at the mouth of the rivers, where they remained more than five weeks. Spanish authorities were wary of the Portuguese admiral and almost prevented Magellan from sailing, but on September 20, Magellan set sail from Sanlúcar de Barrameda with 270 men.
18 men returned to Seville with the Victoria in 1522
Well, websites like this, and I hate the word "Blog", are news./. is nothing more than a proto-blog, a paleo-blog if you will. We ancient posters here predate this blog thing.
As for the difference between some dumbass posting and "real" news like Dvorak or Cringley, what exactly makes someone a "somebody" and someone a "nobody"?
God knows that "real journalists" are no smarter than Joe Blog posting on his website.
This is/. We've had thousands of Hotgrits posts, marriage proposals, birthday spam email articles, PT Crusiers painted in/. colors, awards and stories about making railguns.
Heck, I was the first person to email Taco and let him know when the/. crew got in Wired back in the day.
As for the editors, don't ask them for anything but dupes.
Can we get a Cringely topic so we can kill it, because I'm freaking sick and tired of Cringely's weekly, bi-weekly, daily "insights" into the IT/Tech/World that get slapped up on old/.
I do like the deathmatch ideas and the rules.
In Soviet Russia Intel and Apple do not merge...Apple and Intel merge you...or something.
I've heard that folks at Intel have been looking for a good way to show off thier CPUs. Some feel a bit burned by Windows not really showing how fast thier CPUs are, Linux/BSD are one thing, but it doesn't get the Headlines like Apple would.
If Rosetta is as fast as Apple claims and if Xcode recompiles apps as fast as Apple claims, then its going to be a big boon for Intel and Apple.
As for heat and all that, G5s pump out alot of heat, Apple just out hardware engineers everyone else.
I'll bet that Apple built Intel powered Macs will still be quieter, cooler and nicer looking than everyone else's
I looked at the title and went...well this is how/. ends, with the mother of all flame wars. Can we toss in some vi vs emacs? Then it's the End Times Flamewar.
NASA has a large fleet, included in that fleet are a B-57 Canberra bomber, a B-52 for large aircraft drop tests and 2 747-100s for carrying the Shuttle.
$75,000 under $100,000 - 8,903,894 returns $100,000 under $200,000 - 8,469,199 $200,000 under $500,000 - 2,018,372 $500,000 under $1,000,000 - 355,617 $1,000,000 under $1,500,000 - 85,479 $1,500,000 under $2,000,000 - 36,492 $2,000,000 under $5,000,000 - 52,157 $5,000,000 under $10,000,000 - 12,266 $10,000,000 or more - 6,836
21% of the tax returns pay roughly 55.9% of the Federal Income Tax, the 6836 at the top, pay 3% of the Federal Income Tax
"Drawing conclusions about what behavior should be like today - based on that of five hundred years ago and more is extremely dangerous. The reasons you cite for public involvement no longer hold."
Nonsense, citizens have a right to enforce the law, from reporting illegal actions to citizen's arrest.
Like I stated, various states have laws that protect and sometimes mandate a citizen take action if a crime is being committed.
Kentucky law holds that a person witnessing a felony must take affirmative steps to prevent it, if possible. (See Gill v. Commonwealth, 235 KY 351 (1930.)
Kentucky citizens are permitted to kill fleeing felons while making a citizen's arrest (Kentucky Criminal Code 37; S 43, 44.)
Utah law permits citizen's arrest, but explicitly prohibits deadly force. (See Chapter 76-2-403.)
Therefore your statment that I'm basing my conclusions on 500 year old law is invalid.
Vigilante, I think Encarta is incorrect there. There is nothing illegal about acting as a vigilante, unless in the course of action you break the law yourself. There are hundreds of years of legal and cultural tradition for vigilantes who work legally in the US/Commonwealth/Spanish systems.
I'm a Middle East (1917-1995) Historian by day and an Old West Historian by night.
This really isn't an "Old West" tactic, but a tactic used in the United States, UK and other nations with a tradition of Common Law or the inclusion of extensive non-statutory law reflecting a consensus of centuries of judgements by working jurists.
As times changed laws became codified and the power of the People to enforce the law were erodded in the United States and other countries.
A Judge had to own 500 acres of land without debt on the land and they had the power to cherry pick what they wanted in terms of the law for the circumstances. Law then was terrible complicated, looking at a History of American Law by Lawrence M. Friedman shows that it's terrible complex and not nearly codified enough to just throw out a list of laws and punishments. Since the law on the frontier was often a copy/paste affair and made up by the Judges and not codified, a Judge had the power to make up laws. Like Evesdroping in 1808 or Droping a Dead Body into a River in 1821. Federal Judges started to go wild with common law crimes after U.S. V. Hudson and Goodwin in 1812.
This case allowed a Federal Judge or define a crime and issue a punishment for it. Codification would stop this by defining what was a crime, and stop a Judge from making up a crime.
A Posse wasn't normally a group of people acting as vigilanties, but a Posse is a group deputized by a Law Enforcment agent (Town Marshal, Sheriff, Federal Agent, etc) for a fixed duration or event since communities didn't have large standing forces.
Some examples from an essay I found on the web a while back while researching the law in the 1860s
Citizen's Arrest
Students of the law should note that both a statutory and common law basis for a certain degree of "vigilante behavior" is well founded. Indeed, in an era of lawlessness it is important that readers be advised as to their lawful right to protect their communities, loved ones and themselves by making lawful citizens' arrests.
First, what is an arrest?
We can thank Black's Law Dictionary for a good definition: "The apprehending or detaining of a person in order to be forthcoming to answer an alleged or suspected crime." See Ex parte Sherwood, (29 Tex. App. 334, 15 S.W. 812).
Historically, in Anglo Saxon law in medieval England citizen's arrests were an important part of community law enforcement. Sheriffs encouraged and relied upon active participation by able bodied persons in the towns and villages of their jurisdiction. From this legacy originated the concept of the posse comitatus which is a part of the United States legal tradition as well as the English. In medieval England, the right of private persons to make arrests was virtually identical to the right of a sheriff and constable to do so.
A strong argument can be made that the right to make a citizen's arrest is a constitutionally protected right under the Ninth Amendment as its impact includes the individual's natural right to self preservation and the defense of the others. Indeed, the laws of citizens arrest appear to be predicated upon the effectiveness of the Second Amendment. Simply put, without firepower, people are less likely going to be able to make a citizen's arrest. A random sampling of the various states as well as the District of Columbia indicates that a citizen's arrest is valid when a public offense was committed in the presence of the arresting private citizen or when the arresting private citizen has a reasonable belief that the suspect has committed a felony, whether or not in the presence of the arresting citizen.
District of Columbia Law 23- 582(b) reads as follows: (b) A private person may arrest another - (1) who he has probable cause to believe is committing in his presence - (A) a felony, or (B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581 (a)(2); or (2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman, or other person authorized by law to make a
I've got a dual 2 Ghz G5 with 2 GB ram as well. 250GB main drive, some Firewire 160s and 200s, Spotlight is really really fast. Got about 400,000 files on the main drive.
I looked this up while I was posting and I don't understand it.
Now, voting isn't a Human Right, it's a right enumerated in the Constitution and has conditions. I'm not sure it's as high a level right as Speech, Freedom Religion, Arms.
Sounds like the ban exists because of anti-Black laws from the Post-Reconstruction from the Democrats that came back then, and it's held up by Republicans and Social Conservatives now, it's a State issue so it should be easier to repeal at a local level, but I don't hear about liberal states like Oregon (where I live) working to repeal it.
To summerize, space has been militarized in the past (Soviet FOBS, plans for Mir, ASAT systems by US/Soviets).
There are hundreds of billions of dollars worth of US assets and dependance in LEO and Geosync orbit, why wouldn't the US military seek to develop systems to defend US and Allied assets in space?
As the US/Allies move more Command-Control-Communications (C3) systems to space along with more and more intelligence assets, there is an increasing need to defend these systems. As rockets become avaliable to more and more nation-states and organizations because of the cost reduction the chances increase of a smaller nation-state/organization being able to attack our commerical, government and military assets in Space.
Military R&D will spawn better systems for commerical and scientific systems in space. Look at Hubble, it's a NASA mod'ed K11 Enhanced Spy Sat.
"Sometimes an imprisoned gang leader writes his directives in his own urine on the back of an innocent-appearing drawing before sticking it in an envelope and mailing to an outsider. When the urine dries, the contents of the message remain invisible to the naked eye until the recipient holds the paper to heat so its secrets can be revealed.
Or messages called "ghost writings" are lightly embossed with a pointed object on the inside of a manila envelope. The envelope is glued back together, and mailed with other documents to an outside contact, who rubs pencil lead lightly over the markings so the message can be read. '"
Reform in Prisons is not one of the original reasons people were imprisoned. It's a more modern ideal, from the 1800s in the US.
This system does help, because the LA system has been notorious for losing prisoners, putting white-collar criminals into violent populations, etc.
The LA County RFID system is not a prison system tracking system, it's a system to track a large population in a number of facilities and in transist across the LA County Corrections system.
So wondering about how this effects education and reform is misplaced, that should be pondered at the Prison level, not the Jail level.
I've been in Jail, but not Prison, so think of Corrections like this...
Holding - At the Police/Sheriff station Layer of Transport Jail - Where you go for a few days-months waiting for bail, court, remanded without bail, misdemeanors. I did 3 days in Jail. Layer of Transport Prison - Felons, long term misdemeanors, white collar and blue collar, the big house, State or Federal or Military, hard time (somtimes) with death rows and work systems and education systems (sometimes). Various levels of security and harshness
Indeed, my Springfield Armories.45 and IAI Jericho 9mm came with Tritium sights and a large number of other sights have tritium in them and looking through a catalog, I see watches still come with tritium as well.
I think the Register issue is about import of Tritium and I think they misstate the US policy.
"What it doesn't excite much are the US authorities, who forbid the civilian use of radioactive material. Hence the embargo."
Then why can I order it in catalogs and gunshops nearly 3 years after the Register posted that?
I've had nothing but good luck with Qwest DSL here in Portland, OR. Qwest Cellular is a different story, however everytime they screwed me on my billing I was able to talk to someone and get it fixed to my satisfaction.
As for payphones...where are there still payphones in the US?
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Yep. People need to look at early exploration like Magellan
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On August 10, 1519, the fleet of five ships under Magellan's command left Seville and traveled south from the Guadalquivir River to San Lucar de Barrameda at the mouth of the rivers, where they remained more than five weeks. Spanish authorities were wary of the Portuguese admiral and almost prevented Magellan from sailing, but on September 20, Magellan set sail from Sanlúcar de Barrameda with 270 men.
18 men returned to Seville with the Victoria in 1522
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan#T
Well, websites like this, and I hate the word "Blog", are news. /. is nothing more than a proto-blog, a paleo-blog if you will. We ancient posters here predate this blog thing.
/. We've had thousands of Hotgrits posts, marriage proposals, birthday spam email articles, PT Crusiers painted in /. colors, awards and stories about making railguns.
/. crew got in Wired back in the day.
As for the difference between some dumbass posting and "real" news like Dvorak or Cringley, what exactly makes someone a "somebody" and someone a "nobody"?
God knows that "real journalists" are no smarter than Joe Blog posting on his website.
This is
Heck, I was the first person to email Taco and let him know when the
As for the editors, don't ask them for anything but dupes.
Can we get a Cringely topic so we can kill it, because I'm freaking sick and tired of Cringely's weekly, bi-weekly, daily "insights" into the IT/Tech/World that get slapped up on old /.
I do like the deathmatch ideas and the rules.
In Soviet Russia Intel and Apple do not merge...Apple and Intel merge you...or something.
I've heard that folks at Intel have been looking for a good way to show off thier CPUs. Some feel a bit burned by Windows not really showing how fast thier CPUs are, Linux/BSD are one thing, but it doesn't get the Headlines like Apple would.
If Rosetta is as fast as Apple claims and if Xcode recompiles apps as fast as Apple claims, then its going to be a big boon for Intel and Apple.
As for heat and all that, G5s pump out alot of heat, Apple just out hardware engineers everyone else.
I'll bet that Apple built Intel powered Macs will still be quieter, cooler and nicer looking than everyone else's
I looked at the title and went...well this is how /. ends, with the mother of all flame wars. Can we toss in some vi vs emacs? Then it's the End Times Flamewar.
NASA has a large fleet, included in that fleet are a B-57 Canberra bomber, a B-52 for large aircraft drop tests and 2 747-100s for carrying the Shuttle.
s /FS-005-DFRC.html i ers.html
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/index.html
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheet
http://www.nasa.gov/news/special/747_Shuttle_Carr
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/
$75,000 under $100,000 - 8,903,894 returns
, ,id=96981,00.html
$100,000 under $200,000 - 8,469,199
$200,000 under $500,000 - 2,018,372
$500,000 under $1,000,000 - 355,617
$1,000,000 under $1,500,000 - 85,479
$1,500,000 under $2,000,000 - 36,492
$2,000,000 under $5,000,000 - 52,157
$5,000,000 under $10,000,000 - 12,266
$10,000,000 or more - 6,836
21% of the tax returns pay roughly 55.9% of the Federal Income Tax, the 6836 at the top, pay 3% of the Federal Income Tax
http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0
"Drawing conclusions about what behavior should be like today - based on that of five hundred years ago and more is extremely dangerous. The reasons you cite for public involvement no longer hold."
Nonsense, citizens have a right to enforce the law, from reporting illegal actions to citizen's arrest.
Like I stated, various states have laws that protect and sometimes mandate a citizen take action if a crime is being committed.
Kentucky law holds that a person witnessing a felony must take affirmative steps to prevent it, if possible. (See Gill v. Commonwealth, 235 KY 351 (1930.)
Kentucky citizens are permitted to kill fleeing felons while making a citizen's arrest (Kentucky Criminal Code 37; S 43, 44.)
Utah law permits citizen's arrest, but explicitly prohibits deadly force. (See Chapter 76-2-403.)
Therefore your statment that I'm basing my conclusions on 500 year old law is invalid.
Vigilante, I think Encarta is incorrect there. There is nothing illegal about acting as a vigilante, unless in the course of action you break the law yourself. There are hundreds of years of legal and cultural tradition for vigilantes who work legally in the US/Commonwealth/Spanish systems.
I'm a Middle East (1917-1995) Historian by day and an Old West Historian by night.
This really isn't an "Old West" tactic, but a tactic used in the United States, UK and other nations with a tradition of Common Law or the inclusion of extensive non-statutory law reflecting a consensus of centuries of judgements by working jurists.
As times changed laws became codified and the power of the People to enforce the law were erodded in the United States and other countries.
A Judge had to own 500 acres of land without debt on the land and they had the power to cherry pick what they wanted in terms of the law for the circumstances. Law then was terrible complicated, looking at a History of American Law by Lawrence M. Friedman shows that it's terrible complex and not nearly codified enough to just throw out a list of laws and punishments. Since the law on the frontier was often a copy/paste affair and made up by the Judges and not codified, a Judge had the power to make up laws. Like Evesdroping in 1808 or Droping a Dead Body into a River in 1821. Federal Judges started to go wild with common law crimes after U.S. V. Hudson and Goodwin in 1812.
This case allowed a Federal Judge or define a crime and issue a punishment for it. Codification would stop this by defining what was a crime, and stop a Judge from making up a crime.
A Posse wasn't normally a group of people acting as vigilanties, but a Posse is a group deputized by a Law Enforcment agent (Town Marshal, Sheriff, Federal Agent, etc) for a fixed duration or event since communities didn't have large standing forces.
Some examples from an essay I found on the web a while back while researching the law in the 1860s
Citizen's Arrest
Students of the law should note that both a statutory and common law basis for a certain degree of "vigilante behavior" is well founded. Indeed, in an era of lawlessness it is important that readers be advised as to their lawful right to protect their communities, loved ones and themselves by making lawful citizens' arrests.
First, what is an arrest?
We can thank Black's Law Dictionary for a good definition: "The apprehending or detaining of a person in order to be forthcoming to answer an alleged or suspected crime." See Ex parte Sherwood, (29 Tex. App. 334, 15 S.W. 812).
Historically, in Anglo Saxon law in medieval England citizen's arrests were an important part of community law enforcement. Sheriffs encouraged and relied upon active participation by able bodied persons in the towns and villages of their jurisdiction. From this legacy originated the concept of the posse comitatus which is a part of the United States legal tradition as well as the English. In medieval England, the right of private persons to make arrests was virtually identical to the right of a sheriff and constable to do so.
A strong argument can be made that the right to make a citizen's arrest is a constitutionally protected right under the Ninth Amendment as its impact includes the individual's natural right to self preservation and the defense of the others. Indeed, the laws of citizens arrest appear to be predicated upon the effectiveness of the Second Amendment. Simply put, without firepower, people are less likely going to be able to make a citizen's arrest. A random sampling of the various states as well as the District of Columbia indicates that a citizen's arrest is valid when a public offense was committed in the presence of the arresting private citizen or when the arresting private citizen has a reasonable belief that the suspect has committed a felony, whether or not in the presence of the arresting citizen.
District of Columbia Law 23- 582(b) reads as follows:
(b) A private person may arrest another -
(1) who he has probable cause to believe is committing in his presence -
(A) a felony, or
(B) an offense enumerated in section 23-581 (a)(2); or
(2) in aid of a law enforcement officer or special policeman, or other person authorized by law to make a
I like more buttons now, but I used to mouse with the Orbit from Kensington for years and it was the best for FPS games.
http://www.kensington.com/html/4771.html
I've got a dual 2 Ghz G5 with 2 GB ram as well. 250GB main drive, some Firewire 160s and 200s, Spotlight is really really fast. Got about 400,000 files on the main drive.
I looked this up while I was posting and I don't understand it.
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Now, voting isn't a Human Right, it's a right enumerated in the Constitution and has conditions. I'm not sure it's as high a level right as Speech, Freedom Religion, Arms.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A97
The 14th Amendment (1868) permits states to deny the vote "for participation in rebellion, or other crime."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitut
Sounds like the ban exists because of anti-Black laws from the Post-Reconstruction from the Democrats that came back then, and it's held up by Republicans and Social Conservatives now, it's a State issue so it should be easier to repeal at a local level, but I don't hear about liberal states like Oregon (where I live) working to repeal it.
I don't understand why Ex-cons can't vote.
Makes my 3 days in Dewey County South Dakota small tatters ;)
On /.
To summerize, space has been militarized in the past (Soviet FOBS, plans for Mir, ASAT systems by US/Soviets).
There are hundreds of billions of dollars worth of US assets and dependance in LEO and Geosync orbit, why wouldn't the US military seek to develop systems to defend US and Allied assets in space?
As the US/Allies move more Command-Control-Communications (C3) systems to space along with more and more intelligence assets, there is an increasing need to defend these systems. As rockets become avaliable to more and more nation-states and organizations because of the cost reduction the chances increase of a smaller nation-state/organization being able to attack our commerical, government and military assets in Space.
Military R&D will spawn better systems for commerical and scientific systems in space. Look at Hubble, it's a NASA mod'ed K11 Enhanced Spy Sat.
Found good stuff on Pelican Bay.
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http://www.sfbappa.org/Awards/picturestory/picsto
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n707/a04.html
"Sometimes an imprisoned gang leader writes his directives in his own urine on the back of an innocent-appearing drawing before sticking it in an envelope and mailing to an outsider. When the urine dries, the contents of the message remain invisible to the naked eye until the recipient holds the paper to heat so its secrets can be revealed.
Or messages called "ghost writings" are lightly embossed with a pointed object on the inside of a manila envelope. The envelope is glued back together, and mailed with other documents to an outside contact, who rubs pencil lead lightly over the markings so the message can be read. '"
Reform in Prisons is not one of the original reasons people were imprisoned. It's a more modern ideal, from the 1800s in the US.
r isons _ prisons
This system does help, because the LA system has been notorious for losing prisoners, putting white-collar criminals into violent populations, etc.
The LA County RFID system is not a prison system tracking system, it's a system to track a large population in a number of facilities and in transist across the LA County Corrections system.
So wondering about how this effects education and reform is misplaced, that should be pondered at the Prison level, not the Jail level.
I've been in Jail, but not Prison, so think of Corrections like this...
Holding - At the Police/Sheriff station
Layer of Transport
Jail - Where you go for a few days-months waiting for bail, court, remanded without bail, misdemeanors. I did 3 days in Jail.
Layer of Transport
Prison - Felons, long term misdemeanors, white collar and blue collar, the big house, State or Federal or Military, hard time (somtimes) with death rows and work systems and education systems (sometimes). Various levels of security and harshness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._federal
Felons are not full citizens in the US even after release. They often can't vote, can't hold security clearences, can't purchase firearms, etc.
LA County, or other County or City Jails is not Prison. Different monsters
Indeed, this has been a feature of Google for months, I know I used it in March.
Indeed, my Springfield Armories .45 and IAI Jericho 9mm came with Tritium sights and a large number of other sights have tritium in them and looking through a catalog, I see watches still come with tritium as well.
I think the Register issue is about import of Tritium and I think they misstate the US policy.
"What it doesn't excite much are the US authorities, who forbid the civilian use of radioactive material. Hence the embargo."
Then why can I order it in catalogs and gunshops nearly 3 years after the Register posted that?
I might have missed it, but is it compatable with old XBox games?
I've had nothing but good luck with Qwest DSL here in Portland, OR. Qwest Cellular is a different story, however everytime they screwed me on my billing I was able to talk to someone and get it fixed to my satisfaction.
As for payphones...where are there still payphones in the US?
"I think Cringely's wrong about the specifics."
Cringely is always wrong. OK, he is right sometimes, but in all honesty he goes on and on and on about things that never pan out.
Yea, I agree with others that the BSODs don't happen near as much as they did on 2K which had them much less than NT, never used 95-ME at home.
That said, XP is way crashier than 10.3-10.4 are.