You mean like all the Apollo and Mercury and Gemini gear that was built by NASA didn't...wait, that all was private enterprise at work there too.
Do people really think all that stuff was built by NASA? Well, if you do, it wasn't. Boeing, Lockheed,North American, and the list goes on. IIRC the LEM had over 4000 subcontractors sending things into Lockheed for the assembly of it.
Look here http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP -4009/ v1p3a.htm
"In addition, the Apollo Project Office, which had been part of the MSC Flight Systems Division, would now report directly to the MSC Director and would be responsible for planning and directing all activities associated with the completion of the Apollo spacecraft project. Primary functions to be performed by the Office would include:
Monitor the work of the Apollo Principal Contractor NAA and Associate Contractors."
Principal contractor NAA, well that means North American Aircraft, because they were building it and developing the technology.
Sorry to snap, but wow it's annoying when people accuse NASA of falling behind because they've not outsourced, when in fact, that's what NASA does to get stuff built.
No, the number of troops involved in Iraq/Afghanistan is about equal to the number of troops involved in the Pacific Theatre of Operations (PTO), at least until the US started ramping up for Operation Downfall.
Even then the numbers wern't that much bigger.
The primary focus of Downfall was to be the invasion of Japan. The first phase, Operation Olympic was to begin in September and October of 1945 with the seizure of out-lying minor islands by the 40th Infantry Division and 158th Regimental Combat Team. Following those attacks were to be the main assaults, beginning on November 1 1945 (X-Day) with the Sixth Army attacking southern Kyushu Island with the I, IX and XI Army Corps and the V Corps consisting of three of United States Marine Corps Divisions. The total projected force structure in the Sixth Army consisted of 12 Divisions and 2 Regimental Combat Teams. 40th Infantry had been reinforced to roughly 20,000 troops. The average Army Division had roughly 14,500 combat troops while there were on average 19,300 per Marine Corps Division. Therefore around 136,000 Army combat personal would be invading Kyushu along with 58,500 Marines.
The huge difference between now and then is casualties.
Losses in the PTO from July 1944 through July 1945 totaled over 200,000 wounded plus 10,000 killed and missing from the Marianas, 5,500 from Leyte and it's environs, 9,000 on Luzon, 6,800 at Iwo Jima, 12,600 at Okinawa and 2,000 killed at Peleliu.
Sources D.M Giangreco, "Operation Downfall: The Devil Was in the Details," Joint Force Quarterly (Autumn 1997) Appleman, Roy E., Burns, James M., Gugeler, Russell A., and Stevens, John eds. United States Army in World War II: The War in the Pacific Okinawa: The Last Battle. (Washington D.C: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1947)
I just watched the torrented file and I'd read the transcript last night.
John Stewart was funny and he ripped on them but he has a case of the Entertainer that believes his own press.
Of course Crossfire is entertainment, so are all the other ones, I think the best show for dealing with politics is the McLaughlin Group.
John Stewart had a bit too much of the underinformed rightous anger that entertainers get and I think it comes from people sucking up to them all the time.
Gary Powers was no longer at altitude. I read a thing about the shootdown recently and I can't find my source to cite...
The U2 had a flameout and was lower, down at 59K feet I think it was, and it was either hit by an SA-2, or a Su-15 knocked it down. I saw something about the shootdown by the Su-15 and I've read that the Commander of the Su's chasing it claimed he forced it into a flat spin from wave turbulence.
70,000 feet is above most of the world's surface-to-air-missile systems as well.
Patriot, Hawk-I, later Standards (naval version of Patriot really), S-300V (SA-12), S-300PMU (SA-10) are about the only things that could touch something this high up.
Weather tops out at the Tropopause, this would be above it as the Tropopause most of the time. Wikipedia has it at 6 km (4 miles) at the poles to 17 km (11 miles) at the equator.
Your big thunderheads in the Midwest "anvil" out at about 40-50,000 feet.
Maximum effective range on equipment-sized targets: 1800 meters
Now, in the United States, a 50 caliber sniper rifle isn't a "conventional arm". It's a special application rifle used in the military and by a very small special core of long distance shooters.
In the United States, the most common rounds are 5.56mm and a wide variety of 7 to 8mm rounds. (.30,.300, 30.06, 7.62, 7 Magnum, and so forth)
Jesse Ventura, not backed by a party, nor was he backed by millions and he was elected governor of Minnesota and he had enough name recognition he could have gone farther.
However, he was a little loose-cannony as governor.
Looking at the Libertarian and Green candiates, I've gotta say, guys, it's not the system that's keeping them from larger acceptance, it's thier platform and candidates. They are too fringy to get widespread support in the United States.
Don't hate the game when it's the players who are lacking.
The other thing, which I should have posted earlier is
The guys at Scaled, that's real stick and rudder flying and flight testing, like the old days at Edwards, like what Yeager talks about in his autobiography.
Shuttle, that's real flying too, not spam in a can like the Chinese flights.
In the Discovery piece called Black Sky, they show some of the next phase stuff for Tier Two, which is Orbital operations, they had a sketch of the Von Braun hotel with SpaceShips docking too it.
I watched the documercial last night on Discovery called Black Sky about the Scaled project, it's on again this week and there is a second piece coming up as well, it's worth watching.
After I watched it I was thinking about who it really shows as being behind the ball. Well NASA is the obvious choice, but NASA made an investment from the 70s on into Shuttle and with the tangled web they have to tread with Congress and internal inertia, I don't think we can say "Look, NASA sucks!"
Who it really makes look foolish, in my opinion, is the Chinese space program.
They have been ramping up for thier space program for decades, and thier way of doing it was to buy Russian hardware, reverse engineer it and then build it again. No one knows how much that cost the Chinese, but look at Scaled. 250 people and about 25 million in venture capital is running a space operation out in the desert. Yea they haven't orbited yet. But they will, I've read it costs about $80,000 in fuel and prep.
There was a dude on/. years ago, like 98-99 and his sig had a link to where he worked at HP, I think it was HP Corvallis, and he had a line in there, I get to work on things which will never be sold.
What is now known as the IntelliMouse Optical, the first one with the righty only shape and all the buttons, was on his page in a photo.
1. - less than 1% 2. - less than 1% 3. - 0% 4. - 90% 5. - Whatever is left over from 1-6 6) Roughly what percent of your music collection comes from someone else's 1-5% and they sent you a box of DVD-Rs of MP3s?
Actually, the United States plans wars very well. Look at the two Iraqi Wars.
Amazing feats of tactical planning and operations. Even what the media calls a "quagmire" in Iraq right now is amazing compared to what has happened before in an area the size of Iraq. After 18 months of fighting just over a 1000 combat deaths, it's a miracle.
The execution of the war in Afghanistan has also been a feat of tactical and strategic operations. In Afghanistan, you had basicly a couple hundred men on the ground wuth airsupport defeat an army of 30-50,000.
Just because the BBC and CNN and the Arabnews says something, doesn't make it a quagmire or a failure.
This is war planning. There are schools for thinking up plans incase something happens. For the vast majority of the plans, even if the conflict comes, they are not used.
I get Air and Space Power Journal and I can tell you that war planning for space has been a staple of the US/NATO and Soviet planning for decades.
"This first successful docking with an Agena target vehicle was followed by a major space emergency. About 27 minutes later the spacecraft-Agena combination encountered unexpected roll and yaw motion. A stuck thruster on Gemini put the docked assembly into a wild high speed gyration. Near structural limits and blackout, Armstrong undocked, figuring the problem was in the Agena, which only made it worse. The problem arose again and when the yaw and roll rates became too high the crew shut the main Gemini reaction control system down and activated and used both rings of the reentry control system to reduce the spacecraft rates to zero. This used 75% of that system's fuel. Although the crew wanted to press on with the mission and Scott's planned space walk, ground control ordered an emergency splashdown in the western Pacific during the seventh revolution. The spacecraft landed at 10:23 p.m. EST March 16 and Armstrong and Scott were picked up by the destroyer U.S.S. Mason at 1:37 a.m. EST March 17."
From seeing Earth to the Moon and listening to the extra features, Gemini 8 was hitting 6-7 G in it's yaw and roll rates and was getting faster and the fellas on board knew they had a few seconds to figure it out before they went uncon.
I agree, it seems a bit loaded because of what happened in 2000. Few and fewer still on/. complained about Lincoln becoming President without winning the popular vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_e le ction%2C_1860
39.82% for Lincoln
Or Clinton in 92 with 42.93% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presiden tial_ele ction%2C_1992
Or Wilson in 1912 with 41.9% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._president ial_ele ction%2C_1912
"After Florida 2000, and the severe results to the rest of the world, the OSCE probably decided to monitor elections. Perhaps it is a pressure tactic, perhaps it is fact finding. I don't know."
You mean, because Iraq had broke the UN Resolutions since 1991 and someone finally put a stop to Saddam and because someone finally put a kibosh on Islamoterroristland's OBL and Taliban rides, following someone flying three airplanes into buildings, the OSCE decided to monitor the elections?
Shit, sounds by that description as if the OSCE is partisan and might have an axe to grind with the current administration.
As for voters voting for local issues, that's what the voters should be voting for. Voters in Hamberg or New York or London or Kobe should vote at the city, region and national levels for what's right for them. Not what's right for the people of Outer Mongolia.
Actually, Hawaii and other islands, which you might consider not geopolitically strategic were actually considered for War Planning by the United States well into the mid 1800s. For example, the United States was operating against British and French interests in the Mid and South Pacific as far back as the War of 1812, which was really close to being a US vs. the UK and France war.
Take a look at the book War Plan Orange for further information on the American vision for war operations in the Pacific, which was a mirror of British and Japanese plans for the Pacific.
So, since the United States is a Superpower and there is the UN, that means the United States has to be held to a higher standard than, say the UK or Russia or China? I say bullshit.
If there are is to be monitoring of the US elections, then every nation in the United Nations, or a signatory to the ICJ should have them mandated, otherwise, there shouldn't be election inspections at all.
France, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, India and Pakistan all openly have nuclear weapons along with the United States. Russia, the United States, France, the United Kingdom and China all also have the ability to project conventional forces into other theatres of operation, therefore, they are SuperPowers, by the old definition, so if it's good for the US, why not for China or Russia, France and the UK?
Well, I quoted it because I don't have the Chief Justice's book at hand.
But as for, everything is wrong, untrue or both...
For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre
Pierre is the capital of South Dakota Pierre: or, The Ambiguities is a novel by Herman Melville
"Pierre is the capital of South Dakota, a state of the United States of America. As of the 2000 census, it has a population of 13,876. Pierre (pronounced 'peer') is the county seat of Hughes County. Founded in 1880 on the Missouri River opposite Fort Pierre, Pierre has been the state capital since 1889."
Not sure of the population, but the rest of the facts are true.
Then if the US is important and the elections should be monitored, why waste time monitoring elections where it's not important?
Anyway, the United States did have a pre-emptive doctrine in the 19th century, look at the annexation of Hawaii to keep it from being annexed by the British, Germans or Japanese, or perhaps ask the Plains and Southwestern Indian tribes about a pre-emptive doctrines.
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You mean like all the Apollo and Mercury and Gemini gear that was built by NASA didn't...wait, that all was private enterprise at work there too.
P -4009/ v1p3a.htm
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Do people really think all that stuff was built by NASA? Well, if you do, it wasn't. Boeing, Lockheed,North American, and the list goes on. IIRC the LEM had over 4000 subcontractors sending things into Lockheed for the assembly of it.
Look here
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/S
"In addition, the Apollo Project Office, which had been part of the MSC Flight Systems Division, would now report directly to the MSC Director and would be responsible for planning and directing all activities associated with the completion of the Apollo spacecraft project. Primary functions to be performed by the Office would include:
Monitor the work of the Apollo Principal Contractor NAA and Associate Contractors."
Principal contractor NAA, well that means North American Aircraft, because they were building it and developing the technology.
Sorry to snap, but wow it's annoying when people accuse NASA of falling behind because they've not outsourced, when in fact, that's what NASA does to get stuff built.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/SP-42
List of big contractors and agencies.
No, the number of troops involved in Iraq/Afghanistan is about equal to the number of troops involved in the Pacific Theatre of Operations (PTO), at least until the US started ramping up for Operation Downfall.
Even then the numbers wern't that much bigger.
The primary focus of Downfall was to be the invasion of Japan. The first phase, Operation Olympic was to begin in September and October of 1945 with the seizure of out-lying minor islands by the 40th Infantry Division and 158th Regimental Combat Team. Following those attacks were to be the main assaults, beginning on November 1 1945 (X-Day) with the Sixth Army attacking southern Kyushu Island with the I, IX and XI Army Corps and the V Corps consisting of three of United States Marine Corps Divisions. The total projected force structure in the Sixth Army consisted of 12 Divisions and 2 Regimental Combat Teams. 40th Infantry had been reinforced to roughly 20,000 troops. The average Army Division had roughly 14,500 combat troops while there were on average 19,300 per Marine Corps Division. Therefore around 136,000 Army combat personal would be invading Kyushu along with 58,500 Marines.
The huge difference between now and then is casualties.
Losses in the PTO from July 1944 through July 1945 totaled over 200,000 wounded plus 10,000 killed and missing from the Marianas, 5,500 from Leyte and it's environs, 9,000 on Luzon, 6,800 at Iwo Jima, 12,600 at Okinawa and 2,000 killed at Peleliu.
Sources
D.M Giangreco, "Operation Downfall: The Devil Was in the Details," Joint Force Quarterly (Autumn 1997)
Appleman, Roy E., Burns, James M., Gugeler, Russell A., and Stevens, John eds. United States Army in World War II: The War in the Pacific Okinawa: The Last Battle. (Washington D.C: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1947)
Yea, that's been a feature of Apple Powerbooks for a while, since at least 1999.
Powerbooks allow a second display, iBooks allow video mirroring, but not since 1998, just since they switched to the new white square iBooks.
I just watched the torrented file and I'd read the transcript last night.
John Stewart was funny and he ripped on them but he has a case of the Entertainer that believes his own press.
Of course Crossfire is entertainment, so are all the other ones, I think the best show for dealing with politics is the McLaughlin Group.
John Stewart had a bit too much of the underinformed rightous anger that entertainers get and I think it comes from people sucking up to them all the time.
It's kind of boring.
Gary Powers was no longer at altitude. I read a thing about the shootdown recently and I can't find my source to cite...
The U2 had a flameout and was lower, down at 59K feet I think it was, and it was either hit by an SA-2, or a Su-15 knocked it down. I saw something about the shootdown by the Su-15 and I've read that the Commander of the Su's chasing it claimed he forced it into a flat spin from wave turbulence.
Another note.
70,000 feet is above most of the world's surface-to-air-missile systems as well.
Patriot, Hawk-I, later Standards (naval version of Patriot really), S-300V (SA-12), S-300PMU (SA-10) are about the only things that could touch something this high up.
Weather tops out at the Tropopause, this would be above it as the Tropopause most of the time. Wikipedia has it at 6 km (4 miles) at the poles to 17 km (11 miles) at the equator.
Your big thunderheads in the Midwest "anvil" out at about 40-50,000 feet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropopause
Even a 50 caliber (12.7mm) or the old Russian heavy-machine gun the 14.5mm can't come close to this altitude.
g ro und/m2-50cal.htm
g ro und/m82.htm
.300, 30.06, 7.62, 7 Magnum, and so forth)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/
Maximum effective range on equipment-sized targets: 1800 meters
Now, in the United States, a 50 caliber sniper rifle isn't a "conventional arm". It's a special application rifle used in the military and by a very small special core of long distance shooters.
In the United States, the most common rounds are 5.56mm and a wide variety of 7 to 8mm rounds. (.30,
No we don't.
Jesse Ventura, not backed by a party, nor was he backed by millions and he was elected governor of Minnesota and he had enough name recognition he could have gone farther.
However, he was a little loose-cannony as governor.
Looking at the Libertarian and Green candiates, I've gotta say, guys, it's not the system that's keeping them from larger acceptance, it's thier platform and candidates. They are too fringy to get widespread support in the United States.
Don't hate the game when it's the players who are lacking.
When does it ship again?
I pre-ordered from EB.
The other thing, which I should have posted earlier is
The guys at Scaled, that's real stick and rudder flying and flight testing, like the old days at Edwards, like what Yeager talks about in his autobiography.
Shuttle, that's real flying too, not spam in a can like the Chinese flights.
In the Discovery piece called Black Sky, they show some of the next phase stuff for Tier Two, which is Orbital operations, they had a sketch of the Von Braun hotel with SpaceShips docking too it.
I watched the documercial last night on Discovery called Black Sky about the Scaled project, it's on again this week and there is a second piece coming up as well, it's worth watching.
After I watched it I was thinking about who it really shows as being behind the ball. Well NASA is the obvious choice, but NASA made an investment from the 70s on into Shuttle and with the tangled web they have to tread with Congress and internal inertia, I don't think we can say "Look, NASA sucks!"
Who it really makes look foolish, in my opinion, is the Chinese space program.
They have been ramping up for thier space program for decades, and thier way of doing it was to buy Russian hardware, reverse engineer it and then build it again. No one knows how much that cost the Chinese, but look at Scaled. 250 people and about 25 million in venture capital is running a space operation out in the desert. Yea they haven't orbited yet. But they will, I've read it costs about $80,000 in fuel and prep.
I know they came from HP.
/. years ago, like 98-99 and his sig had a link to where he worked at HP, I think it was HP Corvallis, and he had a line in there, I get to work on things which will never be sold.
There was a dude on
What is now known as the IntelliMouse Optical, the first one with the righty only shape and all the buttons, was on his page in a photo.
1. - less than 1%
2. - less than 1%
3. - 0%
4. - 90%
5. - Whatever is left over from 1-6
6) Roughly what percent of your music collection comes from someone else's 1-5% and they sent you a box of DVD-Rs of MP3s?
Chamberlain gives Hitler Carte Blanc to annex Czechoslovakia, announces "Peace in our time."
Actually, why don't we see a Politics story on Slashdot about the corruption in Food for Oil? Way bigger of a deal than the WMD issue.
Actually, the United States plans wars very well. Look at the two Iraqi Wars.
Amazing feats of tactical planning and operations. Even what the media calls a "quagmire" in Iraq right now is amazing compared to what has happened before in an area the size of Iraq. After 18 months of fighting just over a 1000 combat deaths, it's a miracle.
The execution of the war in Afghanistan has also been a feat of tactical and strategic operations. In Afghanistan, you had basicly a couple hundred men on the ground wuth airsupport defeat an army of 30-50,000.
Just because the BBC and CNN and the Arabnews says something, doesn't make it a quagmire or a failure.
This is war planning. There are schools for thinking up plans incase something happens. For the vast majority of the plans, even if the conflict comes, they are not used.
I get Air and Space Power Journal and I can tell you that war planning for space has been a staple of the US/NATO and Soviet planning for decades.
Because wood is cheap.
There is wood all over the United States in large quanities so there isn't a high cost involved with the shipping of it.
Concreate is more expensive and fluxates more in price.
Chuck Yeager, he'd think it was hairy.
Neil A. Armstrong, David R. Scott
"This first successful docking with an Agena target vehicle was followed by a major space emergency. About 27 minutes later the spacecraft-Agena combination encountered unexpected roll and yaw motion. A stuck thruster on Gemini put the docked assembly into a wild high speed gyration. Near structural limits and blackout, Armstrong undocked, figuring the problem was in the Agena, which only made it worse. The problem arose again and when the yaw and roll rates became too high the crew shut the main Gemini reaction control system down and activated and used both rings of the reentry control system to reduce the spacecraft rates to zero. This used 75% of that system's fuel. Although the crew wanted to press on with the mission and Scott's planned space walk, ground control ordered an emergency splashdown in the western Pacific during the seventh revolution. The spacecraft landed at 10:23 p.m. EST March 16 and Armstrong and Scott were picked up by the destroyer U.S.S. Mason at 1:37 a.m. EST March 17."
From seeing Earth to the Moon and listening to the extra features, Gemini 8 was hitting 6-7 G in it's yaw and roll rates and was getting faster and the fellas on board knew they had a few seconds to figure it out before they went uncon.
http://www.astronautix.com/flights/gemini8.htm
I agree, it seems a bit loaded because of what happened in 2000. Few and fewer still on /. complained about Lincoln becoming President without winning the popular vote.
e le ction%2C_1860
n tial_ele ction%2C_1992
t ial_ele ction%2C_1912
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_
39.82% for Lincoln
Or Clinton in 92 with 42.93%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._preside
Or Wilson in 1912 with 41.9%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presiden
"After Florida 2000, and the severe results to the rest of the world, the OSCE probably decided to monitor elections. Perhaps it is a pressure tactic, perhaps it is fact finding. I don't know."
You mean, because Iraq had broke the UN Resolutions since 1991 and someone finally put a stop to Saddam and because someone finally put a kibosh on Islamoterroristland's OBL and Taliban rides, following someone flying three airplanes into buildings, the OSCE decided to monitor the elections?
Shit, sounds by that description as if the OSCE is partisan and might have an axe to grind with the current administration.
As for voters voting for local issues, that's what the voters should be voting for. Voters in Hamberg or New York or London or Kobe should vote at the city, region and national levels for what's right for them. Not what's right for the people of Outer Mongolia.
Actually, Hawaii and other islands, which you might consider not geopolitically strategic were actually considered for War Planning by the United States well into the mid 1800s. For example, the United States was operating against British and French interests in the Mid and South Pacific as far back as the War of 1812, which was really close to being a US vs. the UK and France war.
Take a look at the book War Plan Orange for further information on the American vision for war operations in the Pacific, which was a mirror of British and Japanese plans for the Pacific.
So, since the United States is a Superpower and there is the UN, that means the United States has to be held to a higher standard than, say the UK or Russia or China? I say bullshit.
If there are is to be monitoring of the US elections, then every nation in the United Nations, or a signatory to the ICJ should have them mandated, otherwise, there shouldn't be election inspections at all.
France, Russia, China, the United Kingdom, India and Pakistan all openly have nuclear weapons along with the United States. Russia, the United States, France, the United Kingdom and China all also have the ability to project conventional forces into other theatres of operation, therefore, they are SuperPowers, by the old definition, so if it's good for the US, why not for China or Russia, France and the UK?
I'll bite.
Well, I quoted it because I don't have the Chief Justice's book at hand.
But as for, everything is wrong, untrue or both...
For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre
Pierre is the capital of South Dakota
Pierre: or, The Ambiguities is a novel by Herman Melville
"Pierre is the capital of South Dakota, a state of the United States of America. As of the 2000 census, it has a population of 13,876. Pierre (pronounced 'peer') is the county seat of Hughes County. Founded in 1880 on the Missouri River opposite Fort Pierre, Pierre has been the state capital since 1889."
Not sure of the population, but the rest of the facts are true.
Then if the US is important and the elections should be monitored, why waste time monitoring elections where it's not important?
Anyway, the United States did have a pre-emptive doctrine in the 19th century, look at the annexation of Hawaii to keep it from being annexed by the British, Germans or Japanese, or perhaps ask the Plains and Southwestern Indian tribes about a pre-emptive doctrines.