No, like a government official or governmental office or department or by law.
An editor makes and editorial change or an edit.
If I'm running a paper or a webpage and someone writes something the paper or whatnot doesn't agree with or violates a standard or is incorrect and it's changed, it's not censorship, it's editing or standards.
Oh, like how someone has to watch what they say on/. so they don't get modded down?
Like shit, if someone says something bad about the Unions or Socialism or Windows, or Macs or pick one, you can get smacked down so hard as to be discouraged from pulling a similar stunt.
Actually, censorship is something pulled at an offical level, so I have to agree with the other poster that these stories aren't censored, but were underreported.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=censors hi p The act, process, or practice of censoring. The office or authority of a Roman censor
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dicti on ary&va=censor&x=15&y=15 One who supervises conduct and morals: as a : an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b : an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful
"Lastly, for those who don't know, September 15th-20th is going to be one of the biggest moments in the history of Freedom."
Bigger than the liberation of Europe? Bigger than the defeat of Imperial Japan? Bigger than the fall of the Soviet Union? Bigger than the fall of the Berlin Wall?
UN decleration of human rights and the US Constitution have nothing on the release of Firefox 1.0.
"Knowledge and social savvy is what separates the classes in the United States, not money itself. Information is a key foundation of knowledge."
Nonsense. Knowledge doesn't create classes or make people rich or poor. It's way more complex than that. As for social savvy...Well it's the Internet we are talking about here.
Well, how many APs are they putting up everywhere? Becuase if this turns into a getting WiFi in buildings project, it's going to cost Philly butt-loads of money.
Buildings and trees are death to singals, I mean, at Portland State where I'm finishing my degree the WiFi that's there is spotty at best because of the buildings and the trees outside.
Plus if you are talking about getting entire schools and libraries on-line that's going to mean alot of machines on the APs and alot of bandwidth.
That's why Intel, AMD and IBM have been stuck at 33 MHz for thier CPUs since 1993 right? Because they've been keeping us at the horse and buggy stage forever, charging us all $7000 for a computer.
And why we are still fighting infections with plain old penicillin, I mean the Drug Companies aren't making better drugs since they can string us along.
My, I still have to take injections of Testosterone rather than having some fancy new patch or gel that doesn't fry my liver since the good people at Watson http://www.androderm.com/p/what_is_androderm/index.asp feel like keeping us at the buggy and horse stage of life.
If only the government would get involved so our technology could be as advanced as the Welfare and Housing Developments in the inner cities are...
Well it's not going to be free. Taxes will pay for it. Local I suspect, but depending on the Senators and Reps from PA, they might get some Federal monies for it, good old Pork as the people from states not getting the dough call it.
Invasion and foriegn aid coupled with free flow of goods and services is a better solution than the UN embargos and Saddam and his inner circle leeching off what came into the country.
Getting rid of Saddam had been U.S. policy for years and was ratified not by Sept. 11, but by the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998," which President Clinton signed into law on Oct. 31, 1998.
SEC. 4. ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT A TRANSITION TO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ.
(a) AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE- The President may provide to the Iraqi democratic opposition organizations designated in accordance with section 5 the following assistance:
(1) BROADCASTING ASSISTANCE (A) Grant assistance to such organizations for radio and television broadcasting by such organizations to Iraq. (B) There is authorized to be appropriated to the United States Information Agency $2,000,000 for fiscal year 1999 to carry out this paragraph.
(2) MILITARY ASSISTANCE
(A) The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for such organizations. (B) The aggregate value (as defined in section 644(m) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961) of assistance provided under this paragraph may not exceed $97,000,000.
"Because the Democrats wouldn't have invaded Iraq?"
Yea, right.
The warplaning for what became Operation Iraqi Freedom started in the mid 90s. Infact the entire US policy of removing Saddam began with the Clinton White House. Rember Operation Desert Fox? 1998, Clinton White House and the UK.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/n ew s/2004/04/mil-040419-dod02.htm
"The discussions on Iraq preceding that, and subsequent to that, had been basically on Operation Northern Watch and Southern Watch and I think I mentioned to you that we had a plan for a downed aircraft called Desert Badger. And that I was uncomfortable with the fact that our planes were being shot at and we weren't able to do much about it under the constraints that existed.
I was also uncomfortable with Desert Badger, and I thought the President ought to have additional options, so I told him that I was going to see if we could pre-package some additional options, and we ended up pre-packaging a Desert Badger Plus and a Desert Badger Plus Plus. So that he knew about it, and that in the event a plane went down, I could call him and recommend one of those three.
Q: This had all been done before 9/11 even or before --? Rumsfeld: Desert Badger existed prior to 9/11.
"The Apollo 204 Review Board reported that it took approximately 5 minutes to open all hatches and remove the two outer hatches after the fire was reported; that the first firemen arrived about 8 to 9 minutes after the fire was reported and that the first medical doctors did not arrive until about 12 minutes or more after the fire was reported. Thus there was not expert medical opinion available on opening the hatch to determine the condition of the three astronauts although medical opinion based on autopsy reports concluded that chances for resuscitation decresed rapidly once consciousness was lost and that resuscitation was impossible by the time the hatch was opened.
It is clear from the Board's report and the testimony before the committee that this kind of accident was completely unexpected; that both NASA and the contractor were completely unprepared for it despite the amount of documentation of fire hazards in pure oxygen environments. The committee can only conclude that NASA's long history of successes in testing and launching space vehicles with pure oxygen environments at 16.7 p.s.i. and lower pressures led to overconfidence and complacency."
The most probable initiator was an electrical arc in the sector between -Y and +Z spacecraft axes. The exact location best fitting the total available information is near the floor in the lower forward section of the left-hand equipment bay where Environmental Control System (ECS) instrumentation power wiring leads into the area between the Environmental Control Unit (ECU) and the oxygen panel. No evidence was discovered that suggested sabotage.
2. FINDING:
The Command Module contained many types and classes of combustible material in areas contiguous to possible ignition sources. The test was conducted with a 16.7 pounds per square inch absolute, 100-percent oxygen atmosphere.
* - In the HBO series the Earth to the Moon there is alot of talk in the hearing on the amount of Velcro in the capsule and how it tends to explode in a 100% O2 environment. It's in the NASA report, but I'm lazy.
In regards to the American Indians, I think there should be a gradual withdrawl of welfare and replace it with economic development and education over say, 10 or 15 years.
Well, I came from a welfare...region. I'm from an Indian Reservation and perhaps your experiance with welfare and poverty is different than the 21 years I spent there, but from what I've seen and experianced, once the welfare comes and doesn't stop, the people strive for just being, year after year, generation after generation. It's not because the Government screwed them 100 years ago, it's because the Government is screwing them right now with throwing money at them. Why are the Cheyenne River Sioux being paid the third time for the land the Oahe Dam flooded? Why should they work at anything? If the Feds paid them three times, well, sue again, get more money for nothing.
If you think Crack or Crank is a hard monkey to get off the back, try having the Government shovel money into your hands year after year.
In the United States, anyone that wants to can get off welfare. Anyone, if they can stop making excuses for themselves. For all the people who are on welfare in the United States, there is at least one person who came here from much worse conditions and is successful.
Actually, there was no real competitive bidding for Shuttle.
The players were the same ones from Gemini and Apollo, they submitted proposals and NASA decided on one, then it went through years of changes and redesign, but in the end, almost everyone who had a piece of Apollo and Gemini were in on Shuttle in some form or another.
The failues of Shuttle wasn't from the bidding process, it was from engineering tradeoffs.
If the efficency of the new engines in the F/A-22 and 35 as well as Eurofighter Typhoon can be moved into engines of the same size needed for a SST, someday it might be possible to do a cost effective SST.
The Russian Blackjack is very big and supersonic, but I'm not sure if it can supercruise or if it has to afterburn for supersonic flight.
Yea, I found out about the plane. It's a NOAA WP-3 doing ocean work, I couldn't tell if it was that or a Department of Commerce Orion/Electra.
I didn't miss the government trying to block the pictures, and really, it's the government's right to block the pictures unless the families allow the government to release the information or release it themselves. At funerals and funeral processions all over the United States the media is able to restrain it's self at funerals for officals or police officers killed in the line of duty, so why can't it hold back on pictures of coffins?
Yep, during Vietnam the media went all out, opposed to showing restraint during the Second World War and Korea, but then it became en vogue to show everything on the nightly news for ratings, and the media spun the number of dead inspite of the military realities on the ground in Vietnam. Instead of talking about the facts during the Northern offensives in 68 and 69 and 72 which showed the NVA was having it's asses handed to it, the media spun "body counts" and misreported the facts on things like racial precentages of casualties or ratios of casualties based on the draft vs. volunteers.
If people didn't see photos of dead and wounded until Michigan Fats put his movie out, well that's because they were ignorant, I've gone archives of photos from Time and MSNBC's websites as well as CNN and the BBC from each day of OIF and there were pictures of Allied WIA and KIA.
"Besides, the guy's point is that major media is require to act like lapdogs to whomever is in power at the moment." Oh yea, like how the Clinton administration cut all the networks and papers off when Monicagate started, or how they shafted everyone when the reports critical to Waco or the Day of the Rangers or even how CNN's reporters have been forced from the White House Press Room for talking about...oh wait, none of those things have happened.
Are the inmates at Gitmo there to do work? No. Are they there with little hope of release? No, people are released all the time.
Comparing Gitmo or what happened in Iraqi prisons to the Gulags doesn't work. Gitmo is a camp for Prisoners of War, well for folks who were in and around a war area but were not uniformed combatants.
As for thinking the United States is more cold and calculating in regards to prisons than the Soviet Union or China or North Korea needs a reality check.
The worst excesses that happened in a US controlled prison like Gitmo or Abu Gharib wouldn't even make the lunchroom chat at dinner in a Gulag.
Ho boy, the United States has a long way to go to get to the best day in the Soviet Union level of governmental controls.
1. Where are the Gulags? I know some consider the prison system to be gulags, but honestly they aren't. There are no Federal or State prisons or jails
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag "After the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 Lenin announced that any "class enemy" could not be trusted and should be treated worse than an ordinary criminal. The Gulag was a reformed extension of earlier labor camps (katorgas) operated in Siberia as a part of penal system in Imperial Russia, which quickly overflowed with the enemies of the people, a designation used by the Bolshevik government for corrupt officials, saboteurs, embezzlers, political enemies and dissidents"
"According to the Encyclopædia Britannica 2004 edition, "Western scholarly estimates of the total number of deaths in the Gulag in the period from 1918 to 1956 range from 15 to 30 million."'
"In some camps, the fatality rate during the first months was as high as 80%."
2. As for the idea that "Good" citizens will do things to "Bad" people, that's so much BS. For example, this weekend I was flying along the Oregon coast, we saw a strange Lockheed Orion, I've posted to the web and to the Usenet to find out what an Orion in strange colors was doing 500 meters off the coast at 500 feet above the water and the FBI hasn't shown up yet. So where is that closed information or backlash about asking questions?
3. The Media doesn't "dance" to the government's tune, if it did do you think the Prison Scandal in Iraq would have made it out? Would news about casualties in Iraq even make it out? No, of course not, hell in Russia the families of the Krusk still aren't told what happened, during the Soviet Union mistakes on warships like the Widowmaker got Officers executed and the familes were not allowed to have the bodies for burial. During the first press conferences in 2000 when the Kursk went down members of the crew's families were sedated by Russian Government doctors if they asked questions. Needles in the neck, on TV.
Here in Portland for example, one can still go out to the airport and watch the civilian and military jets take off, and when I take pictures no jackbooted thugs attack.
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timel in e2.htm
10 Nov 1995 Under UN mandate, Jordan intercepts shipment of Russian-origin missile gyroscopes intended for Iraq
http://www.taraskuzio.net/media/iraq_arms_export s. pdf Russia has long maintained close relations with Iraq and Iran and was Iraq's main trading partner. In 1995, Jordanian intelligence intercepted 30 crates of 115 Russian gyroscopes, removed from long-range missiles. Spare parts for Russian-made Iraqi weapons were shipped in the mid-1990s via Bulgarian and Turkish intermediaries through Jordan. In 1996, Iraq illegally obtained 20 Russian Mi-24 armoured helicopter gunships via a Bulgarian intermediary. Russian technicians travelled to Iraq to service them. Russia supplies military equipment Russia has also allegedly supplied night-vision goggles and Kornet anti-tank artillery shells, and supplied GPS-jamming stations used to jam US global positioning systems during the recent Iraqi conflict. Iraq also received Russian spare parts for its Soviet-era equipment -- T-72 tanks, Scud-C (Al-Hussein) missiles and surface-to-air missiles. Through an agreement in 2003, Russia guaranteed to supply 3,000 dual-purpose trucks that could easily be refitted as missile-launchers. Despite both the UN and Washington knowing about these deliveries, neither chose to publicise Russia's military and intelligence links with Iraq.
http://www.drumbeat.mlaterz.net/October%202002/S ad dam's%20'black%20market'%20rockets%20100702a.htm http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak0 2. html
In the summer of 1994, the BND conducted a major study to estimate the magnitude of the - as at that time - still undeclared and concealed Iraqi WMD arsenal, relying on sales records in its possession of post-Gulf War German, Austrian, and Swiss exports of technologies, sub-systems and strategic materials to Iraq. It concluded that these exports pointed to several specific weapons programs, ranging from ballistic missile upgrades to poison gas manufacture, which Iraq had not declared and UN inspectors were unaware of and hence, not surprisingly, had failed to discover. While the magnitude of the current (1994) Iraqi weapons program "is difficult to assess", said the BND, there is no doubt that "some of the material and equipment" has eluded discovery and certain projects "are being revived and run clandestinely".
In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard".
Any country that broke UN Security Council resolutions for say the Korean Conflict (USSR) or Israel/Palestine (USSR, UAR, Israel, US, and so on), Iraq (France, Russia, Germany and so on), Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo (the states in conflict, Russia, Albania and so on).
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No, like a government official or governmental office or department or by law.
An editor makes and editorial change or an edit.
If I'm running a paper or a webpage and someone writes something the paper or whatnot doesn't agree with or violates a standard or is incorrect and it's changed, it's not censorship, it's editing or standards.
There is a difference.
Oh, like how someone has to watch what they say on /. so they don't get modded down?
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Like shit, if someone says something bad about the Unions or Socialism or Windows, or Macs or pick one, you can get smacked down so hard as to be discouraged from pulling a similar stunt.
Actually, censorship is something pulled at an offical level, so I have to agree with the other poster that these stories aren't censored, but were underreported.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=censor
The act, process, or practice of censoring.
The office or authority of a Roman censor
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dict
One who supervises conduct and morals: as a : an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter b : an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful
I'm a big fan of the Wiki, but come on.
"Lastly, for those who don't know, September 15th-20th is going to be one of the biggest moments in the history of Freedom."
Bigger than the liberation of Europe? Bigger than the defeat of Imperial Japan? Bigger than the fall of the Soviet Union? Bigger than the fall of the Berlin Wall?
UN decleration of human rights and the US Constitution have nothing on the release of Firefox 1.0.
"Knowledge and social savvy is what separates the classes in the United States, not money itself. Information is a key foundation of knowledge."
Nonsense. Knowledge doesn't create classes or make people rich or poor. It's way more complex than that. As for social savvy...Well it's the Internet we are talking about here.
Well, how many APs are they putting up everywhere? Becuase if this turns into a getting WiFi in buildings project, it's going to cost Philly butt-loads of money.
Buildings and trees are death to singals, I mean, at Portland State where I'm finishing my degree the WiFi that's there is spotty at best because of the buildings and the trees outside.
Plus if you are talking about getting entire schools and libraries on-line that's going to mean alot of machines on the APs and alot of bandwidth.
"As far as drug research goes, 99% of it is paid for by the government."
That's not what my annual reports show. It's actually about 50% Federally funded.
You think the Corps don't like big projects?
Who do you think built Handford and TVA and the Interstate system? The Corps. Bechtel and Halliburton
Rockets for Apollo, Gemini, Mercury wern't just magically built by the government. That was all Corporate. Lockheed, Grumman, Douglas, Rockwell.
That's why Intel, AMD and IBM have been stuck at 33 MHz for thier CPUs since 1993 right? Because they've been keeping us at the horse and buggy stage forever, charging us all $7000 for a computer.
x .asp feel like keeping us at the buggy and horse stage of life.
And why we are still fighting infections with plain old penicillin, I mean the Drug Companies aren't making better drugs since they can string us along.
My, I still have to take injections of Testosterone rather than having some fancy new patch or gel that doesn't fry my liver since the good people at Watson http://www.androderm.com/p/what_is_androderm/inde
If only the government would get involved so our technology could be as advanced as the Welfare and Housing Developments in the inner cities are...
Well it's not going to be free. Taxes will pay for it. Local I suspect, but depending on the Senators and Reps from PA, they might get some Federal monies for it, good old Pork as the people from states not getting the dough call it.
Anyone know what is going to replace the Atlas II?
Or why they aren't building anymore? 63 launches with no failures is pretty good.
Invasion and foriegn aid coupled with free flow of goods and services is a better solution than the UN embargos and Saddam and his inner circle leeching off what came into the country.
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Getting rid of Saddam had been U.S. policy for years and was ratified not by Sept. 11, but by the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998," which President Clinton signed into law on Oct. 31, 1998.
http://www.fcnl.org/issues/int/sup/iraq_liberat
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:
SEC. 4. ASSISTANCE TO SUPPORT A TRANSITION TO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ.
(a) AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE- The President may provide to the Iraqi democratic opposition organizations designated in accordance with section 5 the following assistance:
(1) BROADCASTING ASSISTANCE
(A) Grant assistance to such organizations for radio and television broadcasting by such organizations to Iraq.
(B) There is authorized to be appropriated to the United States Information Agency $2,000,000 for fiscal year 1999 to carry out this paragraph.
(2) MILITARY ASSISTANCE
(A) The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for such organizations.
(B) The aggregate value (as defined in section 644(m) of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961) of assistance provided under this paragraph may not exceed $97,000,000.
"Because the Democrats wouldn't have invaded Iraq?"
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Yea, right.
The warplaning for what became Operation Iraqi Freedom started in the mid 90s. Infact the entire US policy of removing Saddam began with the Clinton White House. Rember Operation Desert Fox? 1998, Clinton White House and the UK.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/dese
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/
"The discussions on Iraq preceding that, and subsequent to that, had been basically on Operation Northern Watch and Southern Watch and I think I mentioned to you that we had a plan for a downed aircraft called Desert Badger. And that I was uncomfortable with the fact that our planes were being shot at and we weren't able to do much about it under the constraints that existed.
I was also uncomfortable with Desert Badger, and I thought the President ought to have additional options, so I told him that I was going to see if we could pre-package some additional options, and we ended up pre-packaging a Desert Badger Plus and a Desert Badger Plus Plus. So that he knew about it, and that in the event a plane went down, I could call him and recommend one of those three.
Q: This had all been done before 9/11 even or before --?
Rumsfeld: Desert Badger existed prior to 9/11.
Velcro* and other stuff
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http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apoll
"The Apollo 204 Review Board reported that it took approximately 5 minutes to open all hatches and remove the two outer hatches after the fire was reported; that the first firemen arrived about 8 to 9 minutes after the fire was reported and that the first medical doctors did not arrive until about 12 minutes or more after the fire was reported. Thus there was not expert medical opinion available on opening the hatch to determine the condition of the three astronauts although medical opinion based on autopsy reports concluded that chances for resuscitation decresed rapidly once consciousness was lost and that resuscitation was impossible by the time the hatch was opened.
It is clear from the Board's report and the testimony before the committee that this kind of accident was completely unexpected; that both NASA and the contractor were completely unprepared for it despite the amount of documentation of fire hazards in pure oxygen environments. The committee can only conclude that NASA's long history of successes in testing and launching space vehicles with pure oxygen environments at 16.7 p.s.i. and lower pressures led to overconfidence and complacency."
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/Apoll
The most probable initiator was an electrical arc in the sector between -Y and +Z spacecraft axes. The exact location best fitting the total available information is near the floor in the lower forward section of the left-hand equipment bay where Environmental Control System (ECS) instrumentation power wiring leads into the area between the Environmental Control Unit (ECU) and the oxygen panel. No evidence was discovered that suggested sabotage.
2. FINDING:
The Command Module contained many types and classes of combustible material in areas contiguous to possible ignition sources.
The test was conducted with a 16.7 pounds per square inch absolute, 100-percent oxygen atmosphere.
* - In the HBO series the Earth to the Moon there is alot of talk in the hearing on the amount of Velcro in the capsule and how it tends to explode in a 100% O2 environment. It's in the NASA report, but I'm lazy.
I'm there with you.
In regards to the American Indians, I think there should be a gradual withdrawl of welfare and replace it with economic development and education over say, 10 or 15 years.
Well, I came from a welfare...region. I'm from an Indian Reservation and perhaps your experiance with welfare and poverty is different than the 21 years I spent there, but from what I've seen and experianced, once the welfare comes and doesn't stop, the people strive for just being, year after year, generation after generation. It's not because the Government screwed them 100 years ago, it's because the Government is screwing them right now with throwing money at them. Why are the Cheyenne River Sioux being paid the third time for the land the Oahe Dam flooded? Why should they work at anything? If the Feds paid them three times, well, sue again, get more money for nothing.
If you think Crack or Crank is a hard monkey to get off the back, try having the Government shovel money into your hands year after year.
In the United States, anyone that wants to can get off welfare. Anyone, if they can stop making excuses for themselves. For all the people who are on welfare in the United States, there is at least one person who came here from much worse conditions and is successful.
Actually, there was no real competitive bidding for Shuttle.
The players were the same ones from Gemini and Apollo, they submitted proposals and NASA decided on one, then it went through years of changes and redesign, but in the end, almost everyone who had a piece of Apollo and Gemini were in on Shuttle in some form or another.
The failues of Shuttle wasn't from the bidding process, it was from engineering tradeoffs.
Yea, some of us don't post that much anymore. But I'm here surfing around almost every day.
If the efficency of the new engines in the F/A-22 and 35 as well as Eurofighter Typhoon can be moved into engines of the same size needed for a SST, someday it might be possible to do a cost effective SST.
The Russian Blackjack is very big and supersonic, but I'm not sure if it can supercruise or if it has to afterburn for supersonic flight.
Yep because no technology has ever come from military research or wars.
Plastic surgery, radar, GPS, lightwieght turbine engines, helicopter advances, LORAN, jet engines, no nothing good came from defense R&D.
The single player of Halo, sucked. For a Bungie game, it was terrible.
The multi-player is good, fun, but it should have shipped on Xbox with XBoxlive support.
I had trouble with Kazuo Kawasaki frame discoloring and the coverings of the metal stripping off, since then I've gone to Oakley's.
Yea, I found out about the plane. It's a NOAA WP-3 doing ocean work, I couldn't tell if it was that or a Department of Commerce Orion/Electra.
I didn't miss the government trying to block the pictures, and really, it's the government's right to block the pictures unless the families allow the government to release the information or release it themselves. At funerals and funeral processions all over the United States the media is able to restrain it's self at funerals for officals or police officers killed in the line of duty, so why can't it hold back on pictures of coffins?
Yep, during Vietnam the media went all out, opposed to showing restraint during the Second World War and Korea, but then it became en vogue to show everything on the nightly news for ratings, and the media spun the number of dead inspite of the military realities on the ground in Vietnam. Instead of talking about the facts during the Northern offensives in 68 and 69 and 72 which showed the NVA was having it's asses handed to it, the media spun "body counts" and misreported the facts on things like racial precentages of casualties or ratios of casualties based on the draft vs. volunteers.
If people didn't see photos of dead and wounded until Michigan Fats put his movie out, well that's because they were ignorant, I've gone archives of photos from Time and MSNBC's websites as well as CNN and the BBC from each day of OIF and there were pictures of Allied WIA and KIA.
"Besides, the guy's point is that major media is require to act like lapdogs to whomever is in power at the moment." Oh yea, like how the Clinton administration cut all the networks and papers off when Monicagate started, or how they shafted everyone when the reports critical to Waco or the Day of the Rangers or even how CNN's reporters have been forced from the White House Press Room for talking about...oh wait, none of those things have happened.
Are the inmates at Gitmo there to do work? No.
Are they there with little hope of release? No, people are released all the time.
Comparing Gitmo or what happened in Iraqi prisons to the Gulags doesn't work. Gitmo is a camp for Prisoners of War, well for folks who were in and around a war area but were not uniformed combatants.
As for thinking the United States is more cold and calculating in regards to prisons than the Soviet Union or China or North Korea needs a reality check.
The worst excesses that happened in a US controlled prison like Gitmo or Abu Gharib wouldn't even make the lunchroom chat at dinner in a Gulag.
Ho boy, the United States has a long way to go to get to the best day in the Soviet Union level of governmental controls.
1. Where are the Gulags? I know some consider the prison system to be gulags, but honestly they aren't. There are no Federal or State prisons or jails
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
"After the Bolshevik revolution in 1917 Lenin announced that any "class enemy" could not be trusted and should be treated worse than an ordinary criminal. The Gulag was a reformed extension of earlier labor camps (katorgas) operated in Siberia as a part of penal system in Imperial Russia, which quickly overflowed with the enemies of the people, a designation used by the Bolshevik government for corrupt officials, saboteurs, embezzlers, political enemies and dissidents"
"According to the Encyclopædia Britannica 2004 edition, "Western scholarly estimates of the total number of deaths in the Gulag in the period from 1918 to 1956 range from 15 to 30 million."'
"In some camps, the fatality rate during the first months was as high as 80%."
2. As for the idea that "Good" citizens will do things to "Bad" people, that's so much BS. For example, this weekend I was flying along the Oregon coast, we saw a strange Lockheed Orion, I've posted to the web and to the Usenet to find out what an Orion in strange colors was doing 500 meters off the coast at 500 feet above the water and the FBI hasn't shown up yet. So where is that closed information or backlash about asking questions?
3. The Media doesn't "dance" to the government's tune, if it did do you think the Prison Scandal in Iraq would have made it out? Would news about casualties in Iraq even make it out? No, of course not, hell in Russia the families of the Krusk still aren't told what happened, during the Soviet Union mistakes on warships like the Widowmaker got Officers executed and the familes were not allowed to have the bodies for burial. During the first press conferences in 2000 when the Kursk went down members of the crew's families were sedated by Russian Government doctors if they asked questions. Needles in the neck, on TV.
Here in Portland for example, one can still go out to the airport and watch the civilian and military jets take off, and when I take pictures no jackbooted thugs attack.
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http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/09/iraq-00092
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/time
10 Nov 1995
Under UN mandate, Jordan intercepts shipment of Russian-origin missile gyroscopes intended for Iraq
http://www.taraskuzio.net/media/iraq_arms_expor
Russia has long maintained close relations with Iraq and Iran and was Iraq's main trading partner. In 1995, Jordanian intelligence intercepted 30 crates of 115 Russian gyroscopes, removed from long-range missiles. Spare parts for Russian-made Iraqi weapons were shipped in the mid-1990s via Bulgarian and Turkish intermediaries through Jordan. In 1996, Iraq illegally obtained 20 Russian Mi-24 armoured helicopter gunships via a Bulgarian intermediary. Russian technicians travelled to Iraq to service them. Russia supplies military equipment Russia has also allegedly supplied night-vision goggles and Kornet anti-tank artillery shells, and supplied GPS-jamming stations used to jam US global positioning systems during the recent Iraqi conflict. Iraq also received Russian spare parts for its Soviet-era equipment -- T-72 tanks, Scud-C (Al-Hussein) missiles and surface-to-air missiles. Through an agreement in 2003, Russia guaranteed to supply 3,000 dual-purpose trucks that could easily be refitted as missile-launchers. Despite both the UN and Washington knowing about these deliveries, neither chose to publicise Russia's military and intelligence links with Iraq.
http://www.drumbeat.mlaterz.net/October%202002/
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak
In the summer of 1994, the BND conducted a major study to estimate the magnitude of the - as at that time - still undeclared and concealed Iraqi WMD arsenal, relying on sales records in its possession of post-Gulf War German, Austrian, and Swiss exports of technologies, sub-systems and strategic materials to Iraq. It concluded that these exports pointed to several specific weapons programs, ranging from ballistic missile upgrades to poison gas manufacture, which Iraq had not declared and UN inspectors were unaware of and hence, not surprisingly, had failed to discover. While the magnitude of the current (1994) Iraqi weapons program "is difficult to assess", said the BND, there is no doubt that "some of the material and equipment" has eluded discovery and certain projects "are being revived and run clandestinely".
In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard".
I can think of alot more than Israel and the US.
Any country that broke UN Security Council resolutions for say the Korean Conflict (USSR) or Israel/Palestine (USSR, UAR, Israel, US, and so on), Iraq (France, Russia, Germany and so on), Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo (the states in conflict, Russia, Albania and so on).