The JFK is a modified Kitty Hawk, it's a bit shorter, same width, same beam and 2000 tons heavier.
Some sources consider them the same class.
They are all derivatives of the Forrestal class ships, the most obvious difference being the location of the island behind two elevators, instead of just on on the Forrestals. JFK was the last conventionally-powered carrier built for the US.
There is alot of uncertanty when it comes to what is happening with the sun and warming from radiation that might be from outside the solar system.
Earth isn't the only planet in our solar system to be warming up right now.
Mars is warming http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/Da ilyNews/m ars011207.html
Neptune's moon Triton is warming http://www.astro.up.pt/nd/astro_news/98/u k98-7.1.h tml
Pluto may be warming http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/19/ pluto.war ming/
And there is good evidence that the Sun's output is increasing
Research conducted by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory near Oxford in the United Kingdom suggests that the magnetic flux from the Sun has more than doubled between 1901 and 2000. Solar magnetic flux is closely linked to sunspot activity and the amount of solar radiation, which is emitted. This increase could be responsible for global warming on the Earth and other Inner System planets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/358953.stm Observations at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory since 1964 indicate that the magnetic field in the solar system has increased in strength by 40%. Historical evidence during the 20th century suggests that the magnetic field is 2.3 times stronger today than it was in 1901.
Alot of academic research isn't revolutionary or unprecedented. I see that every time I walk past the Geology department and glance at some of the research projects on the wall.
A earthquake danger chart for the Portland OR metro area is just a map and other data but it's a research project. Low temprature rock formations of Eastern Oregon aren't that revolutionary or unprecedented.
From the articles I've read on this guy and this subject he is the first one to put it all togeather in one place, sounds unprecedented to me.
There are of course no wire guided cruise missiles but there are a large number of wire guided missile with fairly good range.
BGM-71 / M-220 Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile (TOW) was the standard US helicopter mounted anti-tank weapon from the early 1970s through the 1990s for the Marine Corps and through the mid to late 80s for the Army. It is still the standard truck or tank mounted ATGM for the Army and Marines. It carries 3700 meters of control wire for command input.
Euromissile HOT is the standard EU helicopter mounted ATGM. It carries 4000 meters of control wire for command input.
Euromissile Milan is the standard EU guided manpack ATGM. It carries 2000 meters of control wire for command input.
AT-5 Spandrel was the most advanced Soviet wire-guided ATGM from the late 70s on. It carries 4000 meters of control wire for command input.
All of these missiles exceed 600 mph during thier flight
Actually the first generation of cruise missiles were the Nazi V-1 and it's American, British and Soviet offshoots which were quite dumb.
Then we had things like Snark, Navaho and Regulus which had star trackers and spark-plug guidence systems but which were also dumb.
The AGM-86 series of GLCM. SLCM and ALCM were smarter, but they are not autonomous but they do have some logic built in when you get to the BGM 109 Tomahawk TASM.
The Tomahawk is about the third or fourth generation of cruise missile the US has produced.
The first Nazi anti-ship missiles were wire guided as are the TOW series of American missiles, the Sagger Russian missiles and the HOT European weapons.
There have been wireless robots for decades in the form of missiles.
Sure the first generation cruise missiles and guided missiles were dumb, pointed in a direction or steered by a wire but ever since Sidewinder they've gotten pretty danged smart.
DARPA and the DoD came very close to a roaming missile in the Tacit Rainbow program in the 1980s and theres been work on missiles which carrier smaller missiles.
I understand that this piece is focused on ground robots but alot of what the writer is talking about has already been done with missiles.
Air to Air and Surface to Air seem to be the most advanced when it comes to fuzzy logic and self-guidence in a variety of situations.
There's some funky stuff going on down there. Like the dating habits of the Humpback Anglerfish.
"For me, this bizarre fish (the size of a tennis ball) is one of the most fascinating creatures in the deep sea. It has it all, its black, has big savage teeth, little nasty pin eyes, a big flabby stomach ready to fit in anything it can catch (irrelevant of size) and a rod lure off the top of its head with a glowing tip to coax in stupid prey. It doesnt stop there: its flesh is watery, its bones are very light (barely coated by a thin layer of calcium carbonate) and it can barely swim (theres not much of a tail). This animal just hangs mid-water waving its little lure and waiting to chomp. And this is only what the female looks like! The male is completely different. Hes very small and looks like a black jellybean with fins. He has no lure, has big eyes, huge nostrils and a fairly small mouth with curved hooked teeth. His body is made of strong red muscle for swimming long distances. Why the difference? Shes looking for food, hes looking for her. She releases anglerfish-type perfumes into the water and he spends all his time swimming around looking and smelling for her. When he eventually finds her (in the dark), he latches on to her side (with his hooked teeth) and drinks her food-rich blood in return for producing the sperm she needs when it comes time to release her eggs."
Or the Mossish ( Caulophryne jordani )
"Like other anglerfishes, males are very different. They are small and have simple fins. In this species, the male latches on to the female and doesn't let go. Their skin fuses and he stays as a permanent pimple with eyes, drinking blood and making sperm."
The magic number is the height of the detonation has to be higher than the radius of the fireball.
Anything caught in the fireball is vaporized and will end up as fallout.
The best way to do it is to airburst so that the wave front from the blast just touches the ground.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/effects.htm "An air burst is an explosion in which a weapon is detonated in air at an altitude below 30 km but at sufficient height that the fireball does not contact the surface of the earth. After such a burst, blast may cause considerable damage and injury. The altitude of an air burst can be varied to obtain maximum blast effects, maximum thermal effects, desired radiation effects, or a balanced combination of these effects. Burns to exposed skin may be produced over many square kilometers and eye injuries over a still larger area. Initial nuclear radiation will be a significant hazard with smaller weapons, but the fallout hazard can be ignored as there is essentially no local fallout from an air burst."
"A surface burst is an explosion in which a weapon is detonated on or slightly above the surface of the earth so that the fireball actually touches the land or water surface. Under these conditions, the area affected by blast, thermal radiation, and initial nuclear radiation will be less extensive than for an air burst of similar yield, except in the region of ground zero where destruction is concentrated. In contrast with air bursts, local fallout can be a hazard over a much larger downwind area than that which is affected by blast and thermal radiation."
Actually Lincoln did alot of bad things during the Civil War.
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Ordered the arrest, jailing and deportation of Congressmen and reporters.
The Army was sent into New York City during the 1863 draft riots to put them down.
There were more than 13,000 arrests of Northern civilians during the war after Lincoln had suspended the writ of habeas corpus, including dozens, if not hundreds, of newspaper editors and owners who were critical of the Lincoln administration.
In 1862 there was fighting between federal soldiers and settlers and the Santee Indians of Minnesota. At the end of the hostilities 303 Indians who were present at the conclusion of the fighting were arrested, imprisoned, and scheduled to be executed after military tribunals that lasted about ten minutes each. Lincoln was fearful that the European powers might be encouraged to be more supportive of the Confederacy if they learned of a mass execution of 303 men whose guilt had not been proven beyond reasonable doubt, so he pared the number down to just 39.
There is no blackmail by the US to keep Israel and Egypt from fighting. If they really wanted to go at it, to settle the Merkava Mk 3 vs. M-1A1 debate, they'd tell the US to stuff it and fight.
The fact of the matter was Egypt and Israel needed to stop fighting and in the spirit of the Cold War MAD was declared and the build up really kicked into high gear.
Now, Foreign Military Sales of expensive systems arren't just a form of Welfare for Engineers. When the Air Force buys 400 F-15s they pay X. But if Israel gets 60 F-15s, then the price for the USAF F-15s goes down.
A recent example is the F-15E. The USAF couldn't afford more F-15Es in the late 90s to make up for accident attrition. Boeing and FMS pitch to Israel and Saudi Arabia F-15I and S models. Well all of a sudden the price per unit on the USAF F-15E model drops to the point where they can buy some new ones.
Peace between the Koreas costs billions of dollars a year in salaries, equipment expendatures, aid and assistance.
"This is detente, not peace - doesn't count."
I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. North Korea and South Korea are at peace. It's a cold peace with special operations and intelligence gathering all over but they are not at war. Peace is the absence of war or other hostilities. Nations at peace spy on each other, keep weapons in place and sometimes even skirmish over fishing grounds.
Appeasment of an expansionist fringe group or nation never makes the problem go away.
The "good" thing about an airburst would be less fallout.
Since most of the device turns into energy, the fallout comes from the amount of material the fireball vaporizes.
So you get less fallout from an airburst, but then you do more damage and if you are really good and get the sine wave from the blast to brush against the ground you do more phsycial damage.
I've watched the Atomic Bomb Movie too many times.
Actually Hamas and Islamic Jihad have moved to the M-16 since part of the 1993 peace accord sent the PA a bunch of US Army Europe surplus equipment and they have common ammo. Some of the weapons shipped to the PA have been lost or stolen and in some cases Hamas members have used Uzis, and other Israeli arms.
Peace between Israel and Egypt costs billions of dollars a year in aid, assistance, fixed oil prices and so on.
The end of the Cold Wars costs hundreds of millions of dollars a year in securing old facilities, clean up and decommissioning weapons systems.
Peace between the Koreas costs billions of dollars a year in salaries, equipment expendatures, aid and assistance.
Even if Hamas, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad and the Israels all sat down, smoked the peace pipe and buried the M-16s there would be people not satisfied and they would conduct terrorist operations.
Even if the United States hadn't Tomahawked the Sudan and Afghanistan following the Embassy bombings and played the Peace card to the Taliban there still would have been terror.
The EU's economy is worse off than the US economy. "Just as the US economy shows signs of a bounce following the Iraq conflict, Europe's appears headed for the quicksand.
In recession-hit Germany, the biggest of the 12 single-currency members, a total of 9,747 companies went bust in the three months of this year, a rise of 9.4 percent from the same period of 2002. "
"In France, the second-biggest euro economy, the official statistics institute INSEE predicted that 2003 growth would be the lowest in 10 years at just 0.8 percent."
Don't be too sure of Canada's economy, it's starting to waver.
"Economist Ted Carmichael of J.P. Morgan Securities Canada Inc. immediately revised his estimate of second-quarter activity from a forecast of no growth to one in which the economy contracted at an annual rate of 1 per cent, a far cry from the 2.4-per-cent growth of the first quarter."
The United States still is the strongest economy in the world. The US and China are the major industrial contries with the best growth. China at 6-7% and the US at 2-4%
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SSN-23 Seawolf Class Attack Submarine
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One S6W reactor one shaft at 52,000 shp with pumpjet propulsor
Eight 660-mm torpedo tubes with 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles or 50 Harpoon antiship missiles or 50 Mark 48 ADCAP torpedoes or up to 100 mines
The JFK is a modified Kitty Hawk, it's a bit shorter, same width, same beam and 2000 tons heavier.
Some sources consider them the same class.
They are all derivatives of the Forrestal class ships, the most obvious difference being the location of the island behind two elevators, instead of just on on the Forrestals. JFK was the last conventionally-powered carrier built for the US.
Show me a president in the last 140 years that didn't have shady felons in thier administration.
The only qualifications for President are 35 years old and born in the United States, so I'd say RWR was qualified.
There is alot of uncertanty when it comes to what is happening with the sun and warming from radiation that might be from outside the solar system.
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Earth isn't the only planet in our solar system to be warming up right now.
Mars is warming
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/D
Neptune's moon Triton is warming
http://www.astro.up.pt/nd/astro_news/98/
Pluto may be warming
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/08/19
And there is good evidence that the Sun's output is increasing
Research conducted by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory near Oxford in the United Kingdom suggests that the magnetic flux from the Sun has more than doubled between 1901 and 2000. Solar magnetic flux is closely linked to sunspot activity and the amount of solar radiation, which is emitted. This increase could be responsible for global warming on the Earth and other Inner System planets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/358953.stm
Observations at Rutherford Appleton Laboratory since 1964 indicate that the magnetic field in the solar system has increased in strength by 40%. Historical evidence during the 20th century suggests that the magnetic field is 2.3 times stronger today than it was in 1901.
Actually trees do cause pollution.
Not all pollution happens outdoors, alot of the time indoor air is worse than the outside and alot of that pollution is from spores and pollen.
Alot of academic research isn't revolutionary or unprecedented. I see that every time I walk past the Geology department and glance at some of the research projects on the wall.
A earthquake danger chart for the Portland OR metro area is just a map and other data but it's a research project. Low temprature rock formations of Eastern Oregon aren't that revolutionary or unprecedented.
From the articles I've read on this guy and this subject he is the first one to put it all togeather in one place, sounds unprecedented to me.
Yea, just like how building the first atomic pile was simple. Why hand out Ph.Ds for that?
Stack a bunch of graphite, throw in some uranium and graphite rods with some controls to raise and lower then and vola! an atomic pile.
And the first antibiotics...bread mold in a dish...
Often a breakthrough simply comes from someone organizing what has been out there for years.
Crash rated seats for military helicopters are rated to take 50G down to 20G so I wouldn't think 10G would be a problem to deal with.
There are of course no wire guided cruise missiles but there are a large number of wire guided missile with fairly good range.
BGM-71 / M-220 Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile (TOW) was the standard US helicopter mounted anti-tank weapon from the early 1970s through the 1990s for the Marine Corps and through the mid to late 80s for the Army. It is still the standard truck or tank mounted ATGM for the Army and Marines. It carries 3700 meters of control wire for command input.
Euromissile HOT is the standard EU helicopter mounted ATGM. It carries 4000 meters of control wire for command input.
Euromissile Milan is the standard EU guided manpack ATGM. It carries 2000 meters of control wire for command input.
AT-5 Spandrel was the most advanced Soviet wire-guided ATGM from the late 70s on. It carries 4000 meters of control wire for command input.
All of these missiles exceed 600 mph during thier flight
Actually the first generation of cruise missiles were the Nazi V-1 and it's American, British and Soviet offshoots which were quite dumb.
Then we had things like Snark, Navaho and Regulus which had star trackers and spark-plug guidence systems but which were also dumb.
The AGM-86 series of GLCM. SLCM and ALCM were smarter, but they are not autonomous but they do have some logic built in when you get to the BGM 109 Tomahawk TASM.
The Tomahawk is about the third or fourth generation of cruise missile the US has produced.
The first Nazi anti-ship missiles were wire guided as are the TOW series of American missiles, the Sagger Russian missiles and the HOT European weapons.
There have been wireless robots for decades in the form of missiles.
Sure the first generation cruise missiles and guided missiles were dumb, pointed in a direction or steered by a wire but ever since Sidewinder they've gotten pretty danged smart.
DARPA and the DoD came very close to a roaming missile in the Tacit Rainbow program in the 1980s and theres been work on missiles which carrier smaller missiles.
I understand that this piece is focused on ground robots but alot of what the writer is talking about has already been done with missiles.
Air to Air and Surface to Air seem to be the most advanced when it comes to fuzzy logic and self-guidence in a variety of situations.
I'm going to post this link again because when I surfed to the bottom of the page there is a great map of the US-Canada power network.
http://www.cmpco.com/about/system/blackout.html
It was a station in Ontario
http://www.cmpco.com/about/system/blackout.html
The event started at the Ontario - New York border, near Niagara Falls.
A single transmission line from the Niagara generating station tripped (opened).
Within 2.5 seconds, five other transmission lines became overloaded and tripped, isolating 1,800 MW of generation at Niagara Station.
After their isolation, the generators became unstable and tripped off-line.
The northeast power system became unstable and separated into isolated power systems (islands) within 4 seconds.
Outages and islanding occurred throughout New York, Ontario, most of New England, and parts of New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
Most islands went black within 5 minutes, due to imbalances between generation and load (generator overspeed/underspeed tripping).
The massive blackout left 30 million people without electricity for as long as 13 hours
There's some funky stuff going on down there. Like the dating habits of the Humpback Anglerfish.
"For me, this bizarre fish (the size of a tennis ball) is one of the most fascinating creatures in the deep sea. It has it all, its black, has big savage teeth, little nasty pin eyes, a big flabby stomach ready to fit in anything it can catch (irrelevant of size) and a rod lure off the top of its head with a glowing tip to coax in stupid prey. It doesnt stop there: its flesh is watery, its bones are very light (barely coated by a thin layer of calcium carbonate) and it can barely swim (theres not much of a tail). This animal just hangs mid-water waving its little lure and waiting to chomp. And this is only what the female looks like! The male is completely different. Hes very small and looks like a black jellybean with fins. He has no lure, has big eyes, huge nostrils and a fairly small mouth with curved hooked teeth. His body is made of strong red muscle for swimming long distances. Why the difference? Shes looking for food, hes looking for her. She releases anglerfish-type perfumes into the water and he spends all his time swimming around looking and smelling for her. When he eventually finds her (in the dark), he latches on to her side (with his hooked teeth) and drinks her food-rich blood in return for producing the sperm she needs when it comes time to release her eggs."
Or the Mossish ( Caulophryne jordani )
"Like other anglerfishes, males are very different. They are small and have simple fins. In this species, the male latches on to the female and doesn't let go. Their skin fuses and he stays as a permanent pimple with eyes, drinking blood and making sperm."
OK, so if the current Federal Government suspends Posse Comitatus for a 'regional' or 'national' emergency you won't whine about it?
If it's alright to send in the troops in 1863 will it be alright to suspend freedom of speech now?
Of course not. The Constitution isn't conditional.
When Lincoln did those things, there was no end in sight.
When the war started everyone expected it to last a few monthes. By the summer of 1864 there was no telling when it might end.
Then the Reconstruction following the war lead to many Constitutional violatations as well.
No one can say "It was bad then...but it's scary now because..."
Nothing the Bush Administration has done in the last 2 years comes close to what the Lincoln and Johnson administrations did from 1861-68.
The magic number is the height of the detonation has to be higher than the radius of the fireball.
Anything caught in the fireball is vaporized and will end up as fallout.
The best way to do it is to airburst so that the wave front from the blast just touches the ground.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/effects.htm
"An air burst is an explosion in which a weapon is detonated in air at an altitude below 30 km but at sufficient height that the fireball does not contact the surface of the earth. After such a burst, blast may cause considerable damage and injury. The altitude of an air burst can be varied to obtain maximum blast effects, maximum thermal effects, desired radiation effects, or a balanced combination of these effects. Burns to exposed skin may be produced over many square kilometers and eye injuries over a still larger area. Initial nuclear radiation will be a significant hazard with smaller weapons, but the fallout hazard can be ignored as there is essentially no local fallout from an air burst."
"A surface burst is an explosion in which a weapon is detonated on or slightly above the surface of the earth so that the fireball actually touches the land or water surface. Under these conditions, the area affected by blast, thermal radiation, and initial nuclear radiation will be less extensive than for an air burst of similar yield, except in the region of ground zero where destruction is concentrated. In contrast with air bursts, local fallout can be a hazard over a much larger downwind area than that which is affected by blast and thermal radiation."
Actually Lincoln did alot of bad things during the Civil War.
Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Ordered the arrest, jailing and deportation of Congressmen and reporters.
The Army was sent into New York City during the 1863 draft riots to put them down.
There were more than 13,000 arrests of Northern civilians during the war after Lincoln had suspended the writ of habeas corpus, including dozens, if not hundreds, of newspaper editors and owners who were critical of the Lincoln administration.
In 1862 there was fighting between federal soldiers and settlers and the Santee Indians of Minnesota. At the end of the hostilities 303 Indians who were present at the conclusion of the fighting were arrested, imprisoned, and scheduled to be executed after military tribunals that lasted about ten minutes each. Lincoln was fearful that the European powers might be encouraged to be more supportive of the Confederacy if they learned of a mass execution of 303 men whose guilt had not been proven beyond reasonable doubt, so he pared the number down to just 39.
There is no blackmail by the US to keep Israel and Egypt from fighting. If they really wanted to go at it, to settle the Merkava Mk 3 vs. M-1A1 debate, they'd tell the US to stuff it and fight.
The fact of the matter was Egypt and Israel needed to stop fighting and in the spirit of the Cold War MAD was declared and the build up really kicked into high gear.
Now, Foreign Military Sales of expensive systems arren't just a form of Welfare for Engineers. When the Air Force buys 400 F-15s they pay X. But if Israel gets 60 F-15s, then the price for the USAF F-15s goes down.
A recent example is the F-15E. The USAF couldn't afford more F-15Es in the late 90s to make up for accident attrition. Boeing and FMS pitch to Israel and Saudi Arabia F-15I and S models. Well all of a sudden the price per unit on the USAF F-15E model drops to the point where they can buy some new ones.
Peace between the Koreas costs billions of dollars a year in salaries, equipment expendatures, aid and assistance.
"This is detente, not peace - doesn't count."
I'm sorry, but that is bullshit. North Korea and South Korea are at peace. It's a cold peace with special operations and intelligence gathering all over but they are not at war. Peace is the absence of war or other hostilities. Nations at peace spy on each other, keep weapons in place and sometimes even skirmish over fishing grounds.
Appeasment of an expansionist fringe group or nation never makes the problem go away.
The "good" thing about an airburst would be less fallout.
Since most of the device turns into energy, the fallout comes from the amount of material the fireball vaporizes.
So you get less fallout from an airburst, but then you do more damage and if you are really good and get the sine wave from the blast to brush against the ground you do more phsycial damage.
I've watched the Atomic Bomb Movie too many times.
"In fact about 20% of Israel's national budget is from US donations"
Actually Israel's budget is around 40 billion and the US gives them between 2 and 5 billion dollars depending on the source you find.
Actually Hamas and Islamic Jihad have moved to the M-16 since part of the 1993 peace accord sent the PA a bunch of US Army Europe surplus equipment and they have common ammo. Some of the weapons shipped to the PA have been lost or stolen and in some cases Hamas members have used Uzis, and other Israeli arms.
Hizbollah prbly still uses AK though.
Never played Counter Strike
Peace doesn't cost money?
Since when?
Peace between Israel and Egypt costs billions of dollars a year in aid, assistance, fixed oil prices and so on.
The end of the Cold Wars costs hundreds of millions of dollars a year in securing old facilities, clean up and decommissioning weapons systems.
Peace between the Koreas costs billions of dollars a year in salaries, equipment expendatures, aid and assistance.
Even if Hamas, Hizbollah, Islamic Jihad and the Israels all sat down, smoked the peace pipe and buried the M-16s there would be people not satisfied and they would conduct terrorist operations.
Even if the United States hadn't Tomahawked the Sudan and Afghanistan following the Embassy bombings and played the Peace card to the Taliban there still would have been terror.
Not sure what you've been reading for the last few years, but the World economy isn't doing well.
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Japan's economy is tanking
"Japan's Economy May Shrink in 2nd Qtr Amid Rising Pessimism"
South Korea's economic growth is down to 1/2 of what it was after the frst Asian economic crisis.
http://www.eubusiness.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=1
The EU's economy is worse off than the US economy.
"Just as the US economy shows signs of a bounce following the Iraq conflict, Europe's appears headed for the quicksand.
In recession-hit Germany, the biggest of the 12 single-currency members, a total of 9,747 companies went bust in the three months of this year, a rise of 9.4 percent from the same period of 2002. "
"In France, the second-biggest euro economy, the official statistics institute INSEE predicted that 2003 growth would be the lowest in 10 years at just 0.8 percent."
Don't be too sure of Canada's economy, it's starting to waver.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM
"Economist Ted Carmichael of J.P. Morgan Securities Canada Inc. immediately revised his estimate of second-quarter activity from a forecast of no growth to one in which the economy contracted at an annual rate of 1 per cent, a far cry from the 2.4-per-cent growth of the first quarter."
The United States still is the strongest economy in the world. The US and China are the major industrial contries with the best growth. China at 6-7% and the US at 2-4%
I sure use my TiBook at college alot more for taking notes and surfing the web than my iMac or G3 get used.
They dont like it when you drag a tower and display into class with you.