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Toshiba Introduces A 17"-Screen Laptop
George Wright writes "Toshiba have announced a monster of a laptop with their Satellite P25. Seems they've decided to copy Apple's idea of fitting a 17" LCD on a laptop, but have ended making a true aircraft carrier in doing so. Notable "features" are the 2.8GHz P4, the 802.11a/b and the 10lb weight (!!!). Still a relatively low resolution though :("
That sucker looks HUGE, and yet they still haven't put a numeric keypad on it. What's the deal with that?
I don't understand technology movements these days. Laptops have saturated the market. Most people want a faster/quiter/cheaper home pc, yet no companies seem to be interested in this option. Then again, the majority of home pc's are still slow pentium 1/2 or celerons, as that's all most mums and dads need. Why aren't companies like Dell, Toshiba, HP etc... improving these? I understand a lot of it is out of their hands (hardware size etc...) but still... PS...First post :P
Is four retractable legs on the underneath, and you could have yourself a carry-round table, where your meals would never get cold (as long as the laptop was switched on).
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Sheesh! I read the story and see only *3* comments and when I try to hit the lonk to Toshiba to see the bad boy, I find the server is so busy it times out. When will we ahve a link to the RIAA so we can DDOS them again?
yeah well, do you really think you get your money's worth having to carry around the EXTRA 5 lb of the Toshiba (Apple weight: 5.4 pounds, Toshiba weight: 10 pounds)
Without the damned session in the URL:
Here
But I wanted to see the peek-tures!
The next step: The 21" laptop.
People keep innovating until technology is completely useless. Then they go back, and settle for the things that are usable.
This look like: I have a bigger xxx than you have!! Biggest car, biggest house, biggest whatever. But who needs a 200 room house if he lives alone? Some thing for laptops. Who needs 17" to carry around? You only need a screen that big in the office/home, and there, you could connect the laptop to a decent LCD monitor.
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I'm still using a VAIO picture book....
Looks like the Web server is running off a 802.11B connection on the laptop.
Sager has a 17" notebook that has been on powernotebooks.com for a little while now:
http://www.powernotebooks.com/products.php3?displa y_size=17
Well, as a desktop replacement, this unit will probably be pretty capable. It would be ideal for a primary office machine that you could take home from time to time and on occasional business trips. However, if it were to be carried on frequent trips or taken home every day, an ultraportable with a docking station would be a better bet.
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The 17" powerbook was also criticized for not having a number pad also. The resolution for the 17" powerbook is a nice 1440x900 (which of course is not a standard size, like many Apple products)
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Seems that all laptops that come out these days have weird resolutions that have no bearing on how your text will be outputted to a printer. This one will have text that is too large onscreen, while others (Dell is particularly guilty of this) have super-hi res screens where everything is too small. Back when I was a Mac guy (13 years ago) having WYSIWYG was important to most users, but no one appears to care any more.
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Exactly what is the market for a Laptop like this? I Understand Apple's market, the users that are using it for Graphic work. But, what PC apps (except maybe games) does having a 17' Laptop enhance? Any ideas?
Doubt that server will last. Here are the specs from the XP-Pro outfitted model:
$2,179.00
P25-S508
In addition to 10/100 Ethernet and V.92/56K modem, this system offers integrated Wi-Fi(TM) (802.11a/b) and Microsoft Windows XP Professional.
In Stock
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80GHz
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900)
NVIDIA® GeForce(TM) FX Go5200 GPU w/32MB DDR memory
60GB HDD (4200 rpm)
DVD-R/RW
Integrated Wi-Fi(TM) (IEEE 802.11a/b)
Panasonic MotionDV Studio(TM), Microsoft® Works
4-USB (2.0) ports
iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
1-FIR port
SD media slot
TV-Out port
10/100 Ethernet
V.92/56K modem
Parallel port
Reminds me of a circa 1986 Compaq suitcase with dual 5.25" floppy drives. I guess the 17" LCD is better than the green or orange monochrome (can't remember what color it had), but boy is that thing big.
Don't say 10 ~pounds~, say JUST A HINT OVER 4.5 kg.
blarg.
This is a portable computer? Does it have wheels?
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I can't get to the page?
What's "relatively low resolution"?
If you don't need a DVD burner, it might be better to get this one for $1555:
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(I don't work for them, and I would never buy one. I'm just suggesting an alternative).
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Except that Apple have discovered that no one is buying the 17" powerbook, since it is too large to carry around comfortably...
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Does this mean i can finally call my full tower - 19'' CRT monitor - plus Laserjet 2100 , computer a Laptop without people laughing? Hurray!
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OK, so you could lug around a TEN pound Toshiba or a 6.8 pound Apple. When I am travelling on business and need a portable workstation, I know which one I want. Three lbs is a huge difference when it comes to cross country flights.
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I understand a thing or two about the English language. I'm from America, so my English is going to be slightly different from someone speaking it across the pond.
," we see that Toshiba is now plural.
The text of the headline reads, "Toshiba Introduces A 17"-Screen Laptop." In this, "Toshiba" is assumed to be singular thanks to the verb usage of "Introduces."
In the first sentence of the article text, "Toshiba have announced...
I understand that usage may be different from one country to another, but I'd really like to know. If you learned the King's English as opposed to American English, please reply and tell me which one is actually correct for you. I'm dying to know.
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From the description:
Whether you take it from room-to-room or set it up for the whole family to enjoy, the Satellite P25 Series will delight your senses with its 17" threatre like display, rich harman/kardon® sound and smooth NVIDIA® GeForce(TM) FX Go5200 graphics.
Så it's not really a laptop per say...but if your family is to damn lazy to go to the entertainment center, then the entertainment center will come to your family.
A very disappointing video card comes with this monster.... Only a Nvidia with 32 megs of ram. Could have been competitive.
People act like these are firsts. I remember seeing 17" screens for awhile back from small unheard of laptop manufacterers.
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Wow, 802.11a support and a 2-hour battery life... sign me up.
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1440x900 WTF? Toshiba has a huge flop on their hands.
Although I haven't seen it (page is dead), it sounds bulkly (10 lbs?!). But the absolute kicker is that resolution. A 17" (!) screen that only does 1440x900?! Oh man that sucks.
My 15" Dell is running at 1600x1200 right now (and looks wonderful). Ah, love that UXGA. Toshiba made a huge mistake.
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okay, what gives with laptop manufacturers and screen resolutions? I've got a 12.1" XGA screen on my laptop, and it has a physical dot pitch of about 105DPI. This monster screen has a dot pitch around 95DPI, if that. I've seen 10" XGA screens which have beautiful crisp pixels (you're talking about 128DPI on those things - Toshiba used to make a laptop with one, in fact). If you built a 17" widescreen TFT with the same dot pitch as one of those, you'd be looking at a laptop with some 1800x1100 pixels. That would be worth doing. But it seems as TFTs get larger, the resolution gets lower, and we end up with beautiful screens like the Apple cinema displays being let down by the fact that their pixels are huge.
Why would I want a laptop with a bigger screen than my 12.1" one if I don't actually get that many more pixels?
1440x900 is still smaller than my 15" 1600x1200 Dell notebook I'm writing this post with.
Soon we'll have 21" screen with 1024x768 resolution. Yihaa!
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i dunno i look at the picture, and i think: no wonder mac users laugh at pc users
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http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_cf_
Sure it's as big as an Apple, but it's not comparable in some aspects. First, it's heavier by almost twice (10 lbs vs 5.4 lbs) and it has less than half the battery life (2.0 hrs vs 4.5 hrs) It's a nice first try.
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OK, let me get this straight: a laptop with Pentium4, GeForceFX, a burner, 17" (rather lo-res) screen, almost (God have mercy) 5kg... And 2hrs on battery?
Ok, that's it. We desperately need a new name. We need to distinguish portable laptops and portable desktops. THIS IS A DESKTOP. I mean - what's 2hrs? There was a time when this was a lot, but now I usually work for over 4 hours at a time, with no other power source within reach. Something like that would be a paperweight for me, and oh, what a paperweight, I could keep my bed sheet in a tornado under this! Lug 5kgs with me for hours every day? No, thanks.
And what do I need all that power for? 1GHz is more than I need in a laptop, thank you. 256+MB RAM would be nice though.
There are two distinct classes of laptops nowadays: the "medium power, huge battery" class and the "ultra monster but fits in a very heavy bag" class. It really is time to introduce a new word. Maybe just split laptops from portables?
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And it has problem, Pay 2000$ bucks and doesnt get nice screen resolution.
Guess why ?
To sell next version...
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I have the Toshiba 5105-s607 model, and that has a 15 inch display with 1600x1200 resolution. Going to the 17 inch display while larger, is a significant reduction (33%) in desktop space.
Having built-in WiFi doesn't thrill me either; this thing is a portable desktop, not a "laptop". I don't see people moving this around as they move around the house. Might as well plug it in. If you do decide to go wireless, that's what PC Card slots are for -- and you'll pay a whole lot less than for the built-in units.
They also went back to the slower (though higher capacity) 4200rpm drive (instead of the 5400rpm drive in the 5105).
It seems you're getting "less for more" these days in laptops, at least from Toshiba.
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Just curious if this Toshiba or any other laptopl )
has a backlit keyboard and ambient light sensor
as does the Apple PowerBook G4 17".
(http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index17.htm
Keep on pumping out those 17, 19, 21, 40 inch screens on laptops with all the fun toys... its making the smaller, better, lighter, just as capable ones even cheaper!
I have to pay even more for a version of windows I don't want and will just fdisk away for a hardware upgrade. Wonderfull. Don't see an OS free option eaither, man MS has the manufactures by the balls on this. Looks like a great notebook to put mplayer and the Gimp on to.
As stated earlier, I think they could possibly have worked a 10 key number pad off to the side, that would have made a great addition to.
Give it a roll up LCD and a keyboard and you might even be able to fit the whole thing in a bag for portability.
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Why bother having such a large screen and then having such a pants (my new favorite derogatory term) resolution?
My current laptop has a 15" screen and is at that resolution 1400somethingXwhatever.
Why not get the new Dell Inspiron 8500
that have the 15.4" and the WUXGA that runs up to fantastically high resolutions like 1920x1200, of even its younger sibling WSXGA+ that goes to a wonderful 1680x1050?
To get a bigger screen to me is absolutely pointless without an increase in resolution. Is it for the serior citizen on the go that needs a wide screen to fit more crap on it, but also needs things to be large and in charge for their agin eyes?
I love a larger screen, but this seems like a total miss to me. I have posted on here as a joke before that my ideal laptop had the dimensions of... x, y, z, etc - they were all things that an ideal desktop had.
Now it seems that someone at Toshiba actually legitimately thinks this way.
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Umm...TiBook Killer?
Apples and PCs are really targeted at two different markets. I don't see how you can call a PC laptop a TiBook Killer.
Apple targets it's laptops towards creatives, education and home use. People who would use a TiBook are not likely to have their minds changed by a PC Laptop with the same size screen as the largest PowerBook.
This looks like a TiBook killer for sure
well for starters Apple's 17" PowerBook isn't a TiBook - it's Aluminium.
I'm happy you're drooling, but I think from the looks of the thing you're in a minority - this is a decidedly unimpressive copy-cat reaction, same old same old: Apple inovates, everyone else imitates.
I sort of want one. A screen like that should get me through a year or two of college...
But I will wait till they ship with the Athlon64. There's really no sense buying 32-bit hardware right now, unless you just get some cheap desktop solution like a 2500 Barton to keep you going untill 64bit is affordable.
btw, if you haven't seen them yet, THG had posted the first pics of the Athlon64
Just serves to make me more curious what Intel has up their sleave.. I wish they'd be more open about it.
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You're kidding right? Have you even seen their sales figures for this system?
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/., where none of this has mattered in the past, and clearly will continue to not matter, at all, well into the future.
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actually, the DDC2 thingy handles this for you.
I bought one of these at a junk sale for £10.
Can someone explain why the trackpad is off center on this new laptop?
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Apple weight: 5.4 pounds
Uh no, the 17" Apple weighs in at 6.8 lbs.
The ratio of people to cake is too big
Satellite P25 (when the site isn't too busy) Looks like a pretty ugly machine too, though its pretty hard to tell since they never post a REAL pictures on the web. I've emailed Toshiba about this before. What's wrong with a couple good 1024x768 images on a secondary screen for people who are interested?
or does this remind anyone else of a george forman grill? possibly a waffle iron...
they advertise this thing as a media center
if all they think people want in a laptop anymore is a DVD/CD player, why not just make and sell them that instead?
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This looks like a TiBook killer for sure.
Yeah, I'm sure that that ten-pound monster makes an ideal bludgeon with which to hammer the svelte AlBook 17" into pieces. Or were you planning to burn it to death with the heat exhaust from the CPU?
This Toshiba is a piece of crap, half-assed, 'me-too' copy of the 17" Powerbook. Yeah, it's big. It's also a boat anchor weighing in at almost TWICE what the Powerbook weighs, and probably has shit for battery life since it's got a full-fledged P4 in it instead of the laptop variant. Plus it lacks FireWire and gigabit ethernet, and it runs Windows. So yeah, it's cheaper, but you get what you pay for.
Pssst! Want to see some top secret photos of Toshiba's next portable-yet-full-sized PC? Here and here.
10 pounds, montrous dimensions, and they could fit a FLOPPY DRIVE in there?
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The 17" Apple weighs 6.8 lbs
for $1200 more, yeah, I think I got my money's worth.
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It looks like they caught and surpassed apple in this case. It has a fast processor, a good graphics card and it's $1000 cheaper. I guess apple is getting a premium after all (mind you I own 3 apples and I'm buying a G5 when they ship).
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USB2.0, Firewire (Passive, sadly), PCMCIA, 56k, LAN, LTP, Serial, VGA, RGB, IrDA and Wifi. Selling for the Equiv of US$1841.
The thing here is that while all these Desktop replacements pack a punch, they are poor laptops, at 4.5Kg and with a battery life of 2 hours, you're not going to get any work done on the go.
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I've got a Toshiba Satellite 1955 laptop with a 16 inch screen and I adore it.
I've got a small software company and spend four months a year on the road. I've got a back pack case and the 10 lbs is no problem going through airports etc.
It's a great machine for doing presentations. Not too bad for writing code either.
I would carry a 19 inch screen laptop if I could buy it from a major manufacturer.
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you don't understand it? I don't see why. There's no real innovation to be had these days for joe sixpack.
Mom and dad can get to their hotmail account and check their stocks just fine on their pentium II (or even pentium 1...my wife's grandparents only upgraded because lightning fried their modem and screwed up their motherboard). Usually all they need is an operating system reinstall or a larger hard drive since they aren't capable of actually cleaning out their files themselves.
Saying that most people want faster computers is primarily the fault of Microsoft (flamebait, blah blah) wanting to up the number of features at the expense of speed, as well as these users not knowing how to defrag or that they should get rid of the dozens of things running in their system tray. And let's not forget Longhorn's aspirations towards 3d-accelerated desktops. Something Joe User simply doesn't need but will "have to have" once he hears about it. That and upgrading their RAM.
Saying that most people want quieter computers is the responsibility of chipmakers, not of OEMs. Put a Pentium 4 or Athlon XP into a box and it's gonna have fans. No question. Put a Crusoe or a C3 into a box for grandma, and you might even be able to go fanless if you do it right. But she wants that Pentium 4 the TV told her she had to have.
As far as cheaper goes, as long as mom and pop are buying from OEMs like Dell and Gateway, it's not gonna happen.
Personally, as far as desktops go, I think it'd be far more beneficial for people to stop looking at megahertz or gigahertz. A 1.2 GHz Athlon with 1GB of RAM is going to run faster than a 2.4 GHz pentium 4 with 128 MB of RAM for someone who doesn't realize he has 200MB of programs running in his system tray alone. When I build PCs from scratch these days, I do whatever I can to put a bare minimum of a half gig of RAM, preferrably a full gig. Why? Because modern software is bloated, and because average users don't do anything to help the situation. You can try to teach them.
But trust me on the RAM. it's honestly all the average non-technical person who wants to have a computer for internet and word processing needs to upgrade if their current system is 300mhz or higher
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I had a big toshiba.. not quite this big.. but the satellite 5100 series... big enough as far as laptops go. Hardly fit in most laptop bags. Weighted a ton. High res screen, fast, etc.
I wanted it becuase it was powerful, and big, and beat out a lot of desktops I encountered in daily work.. and I could easily take it home, or to work.
And yes, it sucked for trips. Too big for an aircraft tray table, bulky, heavy, and the battery life was less than stellar.
I say past tense, cause my car got stolen, along with my laptop. So... being the eternal optimist, the bright side was I had the perfect excuse to buy a new computer.
So I bought a 12" iBook (which I'm not completely in love with, thank you Apple) and I'm determined NOT to have a huge, bulky laptop again. There is something about being able to use a little laptop for 4 hours straight without realizing you forgot to plug it in that seems... right.
In a celebrity death match for laptops maybe. I get a sore shoulder lugging 7lb for any appreciable distance in a shoulder bag, this sucker weighs 10lbs! And where are all the juicy goodies for that extra weight? Where's the 1920x1200 screen a la Dell? Where's the rest of the battery life? I'm not the biggest Apple fan around, but I'd take the Apple over this bloated monster anyday.
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What the fuck is the Apple made out of gold?
Nope, Aluminum.
This introduction of 17 laptops is just an adoption of SUV culture where bigger is supposedly better. My boss who is a mac fanatic, picked up a 17in powerbook not long after it came out. I haven't seen him bring it out once yet, he still uses his older 800mhz 15 with a big crack in the ti case. The 17 is simply a monster to carry and I know Mac fanboys will blab on about how companies are copying Apple's "innovations" but sticking a 17in LCD in a laptop is not innovation, its a step back.
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Isn't the preferred term "notebook computer"? Mind you, this is more of a "domesdaybook computer" ;-)
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Well, the laptop percentage went up because the absolute number of desktop sales was going way way down. Apple's machines were stuck at at 166 MHz FSB, and otherwise weren't much faster than machines that were a year or so old.
Now that the Freaking Awesome G5 machines are about to be released, the absolute number of desktop sales should increase massively, reducing the laptop percentage. With the new machines shipping in September or so, I'd expect that Apples 2003H2 laptop sales to drop to 20% or something (while still showing reasonable growth in absolute numbers).
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I lug a Dell Laditude C840 around with a 15" display. It works very well for what I need it to do when I am travelling. However I find even it's 8.4+#'s of weight to be quite the back breaker sometimes. Especially those dashes thru an airport to catch an earlier flight. I just could not imagine lugging 10+#'s around just for a 17" screen with lower resolution.
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If you REALLY need a bigger display, the way to go shoudl be some sort of personal vision system such as those spiffy Sony goggles with the display inside. I mean, with a 17" screen do I really want to be lighting the whole cabin with it and letting the guy in row 23 see what's on my screen. I may be surfing my offline p0rn collection!!!
Anyhow, to mitigate toting my Dell around, I've gone the route of getting a dial-up modem for me Visor Prism. I can check email and do some surfing while traveling. I can IM most people. And all for under a pound. Good guys win!
YAY! to the 17" screen!
BOO! the gravity well it comes with!
It sucks? That's the same aspect ratio and resolution as the 17" Powerbook from apple.. you know, the fancy widescreen one that everyone says is the coolest thing on earth.
This resolution is reasonable, and higher than it looks at first due to the weird aspect ratio.
It would be reasonable to assume that you want them to have 1600x1200 at 17".. but that would be at your typical aspect ratio... so instead of 1600 across, this is 1440.. which is still a long way from 1024. It's a fairly high resolution.
Last month I was flying cross-country (SouthWest Airlines) and a couple sitting across the aisle from me both pulled out brand new Titanium Powerbooks w/17" screens.
They were awful proud of their laptops and made disparaging comments about my "cute little toy" -- a Fujitsu Lifebook P2120. I was then subjected to a prosetylization sermon that would have done the Jehovas Witnesses proud.
It was my turn when BOTH of them tried to use those behemoths at the same time -- on the fold down trays in economy class, right next to each other.
Those beasts, while pretty, can't be used in economy class airline seats without seriously annoying the person sitting next to you. They're too big.
All they were doing was answering e-mails (offline), checking their calendar -- mostly showing off the new toys and attempting to spread the gospel of St. Steve.
Once I got the point across that I didn't WANT a big screen on a laptop, but preferred a lighter weight (3.5 lbs) and longer battery life (10+ hours with my secondary battery), they left me alone. It also helped that I wasn't running any version of Windows.
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His apple math still says 6.8 lbs is half as heavy as 10 lbs.
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So...why do you only need a big screen at home/office?
I do development on the road, and I really like a large screen so I'm not scrolling all over the place. I do the same kind of work regardless of where I am.
I suppose if you only used the laptop for web/email on the road, you could argue that you don't need a large screen. But I'd argue that you don't even need a laptop.
Blar.
Toshiba wants to sell a $2k+ product, but they only show one crappy 150x150 image. Am I the only one who would like to see at least 640x480 from all sides?
uhh the apple is the LIGHTER ONE not heavier. fuckstick.
I have a 12" (XGA 1024x768) iBook for traveling light, a 15.4" (SXGA 1400x1050) Inspiron 8100 for windows linux games consulting (PC related) work and I'll be getting either an Apple 17" or a good PC 17" laptop this year for games/coding etc. 99% of my coding is server based so my laptop platform doesn't matter and I prefer apple. However since the 17" AlBook is $3299+TAX and this one is $2179+TAX It's not too difficult of a decision (not to mention the stupid fx card in the apple, although the 32MB in the toshiba is sad as well).
Can any Slashdot PC Hardware engineers enlighten us to the sorry state of PC notebook design? Why is this notebook 10lbs, and Apple can design one 3 lbs lighter? Why do PC Notebook components require 3 extra lbs!?? Also why can't PC laptop manufacturers start using DVD/CD Rom drives that do not have a disk tray (e.g. just insert the disk into a slot like the Apple Powerbook)
In a celebrity death match for laptops maybe. I get a sore shoulder lugging 7lb for any appreciable distance in a shoulder bag, this sucker weighs 10lbs! Wussy. Back in the day, I had a 286sx laptop from Compaq that had to weigh at least 20-25 pounds (if not more). All the other crap that went with it in the bag added another 10 pounds or so. I carried that fat bastard all over the place and never complained. When did 10 pounds become "heavy"? Did I miss something?
What resolution would you like it to be? If we assume you mean it should have "1600x1200" because you didn't notice it has an abnormal aspect ratio (it's 1.6 rather than 1.33)... it's 90% of the dot pitch you think it should have.. which I'd say is darn close, and probably not that noticeable.
If this were a normal 1.33 (4:3) screen, like your TV or computer, with the same dot pitch, it would be 1440 x 1080, which is quite respectable.
Wow...didn't know Toshiba's site was so delicate...
That is a honker of a notebook.
Hooray Apple, your competitors have yet again blatently copied you.
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What is wrong with a heavy laptop. Of course calling it a laptop is perhaps exaggerating, but it is a very portable desktop. It is much too difficult to move desktop computers around. The only company who makes easy to move desktops is Apple.
Now, perhaps the features they included are not quite what they should be, but the idea is sound. I don't know why desktop computers have to be so big. Does everybody really need to be able to expand their machines? Just include all of the most common accessories in the unit and then almost nobody will ever want to expand.
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those figures were 17" tibooks only.
It seems that federal authorities have deemed this item as a 'deadly weapon' since a frustrated windows user could easily bludgeon someone to death with it whilst in a fit of rage.....
Extended Warranty? How can I lose!
First the Winloo, then this monster. Wake up, Slashdot, this is a parody by some over-active marketing execs in Toshiba. Toshiba has for years been fighting the tendency to make large portables, being smart people and understanding that the sweetspot for portable screens is 14.2" the way God intended.
This invention is clearly designed as ridiculo in absurdum, mockery by over-sincere imitation. It is a fine form of that lost art we call "irony".
Clearly no-one is going to buy this, but just in case someone was tempted, they have lowered the specifications further. The screen resolution gives it away - my mobile phone has a higher resolution, and those sly guys at Toshiba, they know it.
Rumour has it that Toshiba is actually going to announce a new line of ultraportables that are revolutionary because you can carry them around all day without pain, and the batteries run for more than 3 hours even during normal work.
This monstrosity is just meant to create some noise so that Toshiba's new "carryme" line will find a receptive audience.
Toshiba, congratulations on an excellent gimmick!!
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The reason they make these? People ask for them.
I'm posting this AC, because I can't be identified making fun of my co-workers.
But here goes... I personally don't like laptop computers. They have bad keyboards, bad pointing devices, bad screens, and they cost too much for the performance they have.
But people think they *need* one.
I have a laptop at work that I plug into a docking station. I take it with me because I need to work as I travel, I sometimes work at night. But its with me all the time.
All my co-workers also got laptops... but they never carry them "Oh, too heavy". So the company pays 3 times what it should for PC's because people think laptops are a good idea.
They're not.
This doesn't seem to have that same mojo going on. The speakers look to be better next to Apple's, I guess, and that's about as innovative as it gets. It's cheaper. The design is definitely not on the tiBook's level. It even sort of looks like an Osbourne 1, doesn't it?
It's also just a smidge under ten pounds (9.9); the competing Apple 17" tiBook is 6.6 lbs.
"Fundamentalism" isn't about divine morality. It's about human authority.
duh moron, it's $1200 more because it is made out of gold and thus more money.
jesus you're dense.
That thing doesn't even COMPARE to my 17" AlBook. Is it me or does it look like a TRS-80 with a trackpad?
Am I the only one who noticed the 60 gig hard drive is 4500 rpm?? WTF?
AOL IM? ICQ? Yahoo Chat??? Bah! I use Bitwise baby! http://www.bitwisechat.com/ My BW ID: virginia
The Apple machine is quite nicely lighter, longer running, smaller, has a magic lighty-up keyboard, has Gigabit Ethernet, has Airport Extreme, has Firewire 400 & 800 etc etc etc.
And it runs OSX 10.2.6...
That was classic intercourse!
Well, you get a better video card (though its only artifact of being a newer machine). You get a faster CPU. You get a PC which seems as good as a desktop (which in my opinion is really hard to do). Granted, it takes less for a powerbook to be as good as it's desktop equivalent; more power efficient, more compact due to standardized equipment, bla bla. But a majority still desire/require a PC's application-base. So that alone is a value-boost.
-Michael
for example, Sager Electronics will soon start shipping the OEM 17 incher laptop case and AlienWare will follow soon after...
http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.html
followed by every single mom and pop computer builder near you. its not going to be just Toshiba and Dell
-- Betting on the survival of the media industry is a serious risk. I advise investing elsewhere.
I'll keep my Dell Latitude C840 with a 15" UltraSharp UXGA (1600x1200), 2.2GHz P4-M, 1GB RAM. This screen is beautiful. I'm a Road Warrior and this laptop is big enough as it is. Why would I want to schlep an even bigger laptop around on my travels and lose the resolution. RedHat 9 is beautiful on my C840.
I recently got a 17" powerbook.
:)
:)
I'm actually very happy with it. It is not the most portable machine but it does fit on the plane (although not super comfortable). Not such a big deal for me since I spend a lot of time online and have yet to get internet on a plane. it is good for watching DVDs though.
For actual work work (I'm a unix admin) it simply rocks. I can do everything I need to do, plus the stuff that others want me to do (like Office). My only real gripe is that there is no Outlook calendaring for it, but we have webmail on Exhcnage 2k, and Terminal services (which is up to date on the mac, supports RDP5).
It's really become my primary machine. My desktop at home is used mostly for playing a single game, and occasioanlly setting up downloads. I have a dual g4, w/ a 22" cinema display, but it's in the wrong office
It's speed is good (although I occasionally notice a stutter when i'm running sans AC power, I have the cpu clock down turned on). I normally carry around a backpack, and it fits right into it. It has adequate, if not stellar, battery life. Fairly rare when I spend an extended time away from power, so it's 4.5-hour-only-when-you-don't-hit-disk-at-all battery is fine (it managed to go 4 hours playing mp3s with no complex Fluid screensaver and monitor-off turned on after 1 minute)
I think at 6.8 pounds (that's the weight _with_ the battery) it's a good deal. at 10 pounds, I would have gotten a 12" instead.
not to mention that a 17" silver laptop does get a lot of oos and ahhs, even from the ladies
-- Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? --
Indeed
Of course I did say it from the heart. I don't mention which Linux distro I would use on it, because that would start a distribution flame war, nor did I mention my desktop.
But just to anti-karma whore myself a bit, I currently use SuSE but am considering changing to eaither Debian or Slack, and I love my KDE and intend to stick with it. There, now I've just anti-karma whored but I upped the troll part.
Right now I run an older Dell Inspiron 5000. I run a rare model. It has a Celeron 450, most Inspiron 5000's had at least a PIII 500 or better, and I keep SuSE Linux 8.1 Pro on it.
Now flame me, because now I asked for it.
The preceding post was not a Slashvertisement.
What I meant to say was that it's unbelievable that so many people are NOT able to figure out ... blah blah blah
Why did the image of someone modding the toy G.I. Joe carrier Flag into a laptop pop into my mind?
must be that pesky insanity again.
Apple inovates, everyone else imitates.
Ah, that explains why we all have PCs that look like iMacs and iLamps on our desk. Apple every once in a while comes up with a good idea, then spends the next decade swaggering around until it realizes the PC industry has left it in the dust.
I have Dell's (meager) 16" widescreen and it trounces all over our artist's 17" Apple. He was all proud at first until he played with my Dell, now he wants back in PC land.
Don't people understand not all laptop users have the same requirements?
This laptop sounds *perfect* for a lot of consultants. If you need a high-ish end machine with a decent size monitor, but move from site to site every few weeks, this machine would be a dream.
Of course it sucks for a heavy traveller, but they have plenty of other laptops out there to choose from.
Read reviews of shopping cart software
Laptops are useful for all kinds of things, even older laptops... my most-used linux box is an old laptop. Check Ebay... older, quite functional laptops can be had for very reasonable money.
Laptops make nifty consoles for your home server rack (you DO have a rack of computers in your house, don't you?).
They make good terminals (I've seen them used for LTSP applications). I've a plan to use a couple of these booted from flash-disk as terminals at home. One in the kitchen, one in the guest room, one in the garage...
Faster laptops can even play games... not high-end FPS, but counterstrike runs quite well on pretty wimpy hardware, including older laptops.
Portability is important... not everyone wants to lug their "LAN party" box around with them.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
I would love to replace the 17" CRT on my screen with an 15" LCD but I won't trade down my 1280x1024 for 1024x768.
Fix it.
I bought mine as a new development machine. I don't travel much, but what I have been doing is heading to a nearby coffeeshop to work when I really need to concentrate (i.e. get away from the wife and kids). Staring at my Dell Lattitude screen for 6-8 hours was giving me eyestrain.
It's wicked fast, I can burn CDs and DVDs without copying huge amounts of data back over to my desktop and with the wide screen I can debug without flipping back and forth between the app and the debugger. I can plug in anywhere I work, so battery life isn't an issue and with built in wired and wireless networking, I'm good to go as far as connectivity. The extra 4 pounds from the car to my table don't make a bit of difference.
Mac users are fruits, fags and rich kids. Fuck 'em. I equate the person sitting at a table with a TiBook with the person sitting at a stoplight in a fscking BMW SUV. Bourgeouis scum. Conspicuous consumption at its worse.
PHB: "Have you seen the new Apple laptops? They've got 17" screens! What are we doing to counteract this?"
Engineers: "Well, we have been working on it for a while sir. It only seemed to be the next step."
PHB: "When will it be ready?"
Engineers: "Given the current status, we have to redesign some things to accomodate for the power and size. Maybe two years."
PHB: "Two years! We need this out by next summer! And make it as powerful as possible. We need to beat out anybody else on power."
Engineers: "But what about battery life? If we use mobile Pentiums and use Intel's Centrino specs, we could save on power--"
PHB: "I want MORE power."
Engineers: "But, it'll weigh a ton. Laptops are supposed to be light."
PHB: "La la la. Not listening. Just make it have a 17" screen and make it more powerful."
Engineers: "Okay, we'll do it."
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The linked page reads:
" use of computer in areas with low air pressure (high altitude >1,000 meters or >3,280 feet above sea level)"
Please refrain from being an ass unless you're correct.
why is everyone flipping out over the screen? first of all, it's 17", 1440x900, which is exactly the same as an Apple 17" PowerBook or 17" iMac. Secondly, if you do the math (a^2+b^2=c^2 and all that) you'll learn that the screen is exactly 14.4"x9", so the screen is exactly 100 dpi. Nice round number, and most screens are anywhere from 85 to 115, so what's the big deal? I don't remember hearing companints about the 17" Apple's resolution. Besides, 100 dpi is very nice--mock somehting up in Photoshop at 100 dpi, view it at 100%, and it'll be shown onscreen at its exact actual size. Make a final file at 300 dpi, zoom out to 33%, same effect. BTW, I work with a 20" (16"x12") 1600x1200 Dell flat panel with the same 100dpi resolution and it's great.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
that small sized screens were of less use
at 6.8 pounds not too dense,
My screen is bright and quite immense.
It has always been the same old game
my vision suffered just the same
from screens that lacked of quality
to use them showed frivolity
But now I have my new g4
I'll look at tiny type no more
(ok I'll stop now - but I love my 17" PB)
Cake or Death? Cake Please!
I do. The Apple, though, not this me-too sledgehammer.
Sure I could get two large monitors, one for each end of the trip. But I still couldn't wander out to my deck to use it. I couldn't sit here in my comfy chair in the living room and use it.
The Apple 17" is light enough that it's no big deal to carry, yet it includes everything I need, even for video editing, audio editing, or other screen-realestate hogs. And the decent LCD monitor -- actually, outstanding LCD monitor -- comes along for the ride.
Well, you might not like this, but it comes down to our notion of what plural really means, and it's not quite as simple as you'd expect. Descriptive (as opposed to proscriptive) grammar texts are probably more likely to cover this area.
So is Toshiba singular or plural? Well, according to the grammar we've all been taught in school, Toshiba is probably singular, so to be technically correct the article should start "Toshiba has announced...". Personally, that's how I would have written it.
However, one could argue that Toshiba is plural. For example, it's quite common (and accepted) to hear things like "When a group of people are searching for someone to lead them..." or "a number of people are standing outside". In these cases "a group of people" and "a number of people" are singular from a proscriptive grammar perspective, so some might argue that they should read "When a group of people is searching for someone to lead it" and "a number of people is standing outside". Which versions sound better to you?
So in some innate way, do our minds see some things (such as groups) as being plural, even though our traditional grammar says they're singular? Maybe. Interesting question for linguists, anyway.
So I guess it all comes down to whether you see Toshiba as a singular corporate entity or as a collection of individuals. I hope that answers your question to some degree, but most likely it just points out how mixed up English is.
Now imagine trying to teach English as a second language!
How often do people put laptops on their laps anyway? :P
http://www.1beyond.com
It's optimised for video editing, but DAMN this would be the gamer's dream machine... Note: I would never buy one, nor am I involved with the company - I'm a happy Apple Powerbook owner sitting in Final Cut Pro-land - but
I know my brake fluid, and this is the real deal.
1 Beyond DV Pro 3000
P4 Dual HT 3.06 GHz!
* 85% faster than P4m (mobile)!
* DDR 266 MHz Memory
* 16.1" UXGA TFT LCD, ATI 9000
* Dual drives Raided to 120GB 40MB/S SDR
* TV Tuner with TIVO functions,
* Mpeg2 Recording real-time
* TV / CD / VCR Remote Control
* Removable MP3 Player
* Built-in IEEE 1394 Firewire
* v V.90 56k data/fax modem
* v 4 USB 2.0 Ports, S-Video In/Out
* 10/100 LAN and Opt'l WiFi
* Noise Canceling Headphones
* Turnkey Editing SW:
* AVID Xpress DV 3.5 or
* Adobe Premiere 6.5
* Pinnacle Edition
Now THAT'S a LAPTOP....
RR
Shoes for Industry. Shoes for the Dead.
If you use (La)TeX (or LyX?) the output you get on the previewer is the output you get on the printer. Period.
By default DVI files are output, but you can also make PostScript and PDFs quite easily.
If you really care about matching screen display to printer output get rid of the word processor and use a proper tool. Other options are desktop publishing tools.
Not that there is something terribly wrong with toshiba I just dont have them at the top of the IQ list in my book, afterall they run Broadvision on their website (shudder). Some of their older laptops look like a tyco toy, but they work fine.
Seriously... who the hell is screening links around here? Hasn't anybody learned to REMOVE THE SESSION ID?
Session tag expires on the server, and suddenly the link stops working. STRIP IT DOWN BEFORE YOU POST IT.
You may disagree, but to be blunt, you're wrong. -tgd
http://www.eurocom.com/products/future/future.cfm
got that right /.ed!
all that xtra space and they didn't put a full-size number pad in.
That alone would probably sell more units in the business world. My dad always bitches about the lack of a number pad on his Dell (he's an ins. auditor)
So at the next /. benchmark discussion we have one extra argument why benchmarks suck.
Jeff
17 inches of real estate is fantastic but only 1440x900 resolution is terrible. Why is it that Dell can put a 15.7 inch high resolution screen on their laptops and have the brain to use 64MB of video memory but Toshiba can't? Using 32MB of video memory is the biggest gaffe here IMO. On the bright side, perhaps this will prompt Dell to put out a 17" notebook.
There is nothing inherently safe about liberty. That's why so many people died protecting it.
Well the new series of Sharp Zaurus C700/C750/C760 have a 640x480 3.7" Screen, that's 144dpi. The screen is amazing.
Using the same resolution (144dpi) but on a 17" slab, would give you a resolution of about 2920x2200 (Microscope is not included).
After the dot-com meltdown, geeks are just starting to find employment again. The remaining employers are unwilling to pay for benefits like health insurance, but are happy to buy computer equipment. So the display manufacturers are keeping resolution down until we can afford to get new glasses.
*duh*
I guess there is a level of cost I'm not willing to float, 50% more for a slower apple doesn't fit my budget. I don't use firewire at all (I will eventually with an iPod but it works via usb as well and the 17" laptops come with Firewire 400, hell my 2 year old dell has firewire 400 so what's the point?), I don't have an OC-3 to the house with a gigabit backbone, I don't work in the dark and I can touch type (which is why i prefer the point-stick to the track pads), weight means nothing in the real world (ever worked with a consultant that didn't have 15 lbs of crap crammed into that laptop case carrying the 3 lb laptop?), I only connect at 10mbit through my router (DSL & Cable) so Airport extreme is just marketing (I don't frequently transfer more than 1/2GB between computers and 10mbit is fine for that), etc, etc, etc...
Apple is great but the only real difference is Aqua versus Gnome/KDE since I can run both Windows and Linux on the PC where as only Unix variants are available for the Macs.
The funny thing is I bought my first mac about 1 1/2 years ago and got it because of OS X. It was still a buggy slow POS so I started playing around with OS 9 (also buggy but significantly faster) and found I liked the discontinued OS better. Kind of funny really.
This thing has a Hyperthreading processor - the OS will address this as 2 processors. Windows XP Home doesn't support multiple processors, so if you buy the lower spec version, you've wiped out the chances of the wonders of Hyper Threading.
Didn't the people at Toshiba realise this!?!
I have a 110CT, and love it as a portable jukebox, kismet stumbler, etc. It's just a tad slow with mozilla and video though, which makes it a little less than ideal as a total multimedia solution.
Half the price.... seems acceptable to me
"We deal in lead" - Roland of Gilead
Maybe you need to exercise. How much does the case weigh? How about all the other things outside the laptop (papers, cds, books, etc).
Plus I'm not sure where you get your fuzzy math but the 17" powerbook is 6.8 lbs and the 17" toshiba is 7.8 lbs [PDF].
If 1 pound is worth $1000 maybe you should invest in a gym.
I own two Toshiba laptops, and I think they are the best PC laptops currently available. However, my impression of Toshiba is that it is ignorant at times.
For example, there are buttons on the front of the laptops that operate with very, very little pressure. They start Windows Media Player whenever you accidentally press them.
I called Toshiba support to ask them about an error I found in the manual of each of the laptops. Toshiba technical support a) did not have a computer to test, and b) could not fix the error in the manual by calling someone in the company. Toshiba technical support seems to be VERY separate from the rest of the company, and seems to have no power to serve customers. Before I bought the laptops, I asked about the maximum resolution of the video card when used with an external monitor; Toshiba technical support could not help me, even after several calls and an acknowledgement that the manual was faulty.
On the good side, Toshiba uses nVidia video chips, and the chips use the standard nVidia drivers. They work great with an external monitor at 1600 x 1200 and 75 Hertz resolution. Very, very nice. They work with IOView KVM switches.
Just found another, VoodooPC also has one.
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http://voodoopc.com/systems/advanced.aspx?t=1&p=2
I have a Toshiba Satellite 5105-S607, and it's got a 15" screen that can do 1600x1200. This 17" does 1400x900? Strikes me as very odd that it's got a LOWER resolution, unless they're using a lowered-bitprint LCD to keep costs down. It would be interesting to see if they go to a higher resolution screen in a few months with a higher price.
I also miss the cPad that my S607 has - the touchpad has a small LCD under it that can be used for things like changing the logo under it, as well as used as a keypad, a calculator, a signature capture device and (with a download) a theramin simulator. It's sufficiently odd as to be very amusing, and can be very useful in some situations.
Brazil has decided you're cute.
check out the hp-compaq x1000 (www.hpshopping.com) series, they're pretty sweet and dirt cheap. configurable from $1299 w/rebate, up to 1900x12000 WUXGA+, radeon 9200 64MB DDR, 80GB drive, pentium-m 1.6GHz (this processor is sweet, first mobile processor with 1MB _on-die_ L2, to keep it fed with data while maintaining low power usage). I tricked mine out with all this stuff for about $1800. Oh, and a slick mostly-aluminum case. Yes, I know it's a rip off of apple, but it costs some much less for more powerful hardware ( the pentium-m @1.6GHz is comparable to p-4 @2.4, but has around 5hr battery time).
-Mike
Intel transfer the difficult from Hadware to software, for get more power, programmer need more technology. -- chinaitn
Obviously, as Apple's 17" Notebook has the same resolution. The weight, however, was made to compete with other PC notebooks, but I suppose this will mostly be used as a Desktop replacement anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
I have the last toshiba monstrosity, the 16" version, in most ways the same as the one in this article, just a tad smaller. ...
One thing I haven't seen the article or any of the comments point out is how nice the detachable wireless keyboard and built in wireless optical mouse are. Although the res is only 1280, I can take the keyboard off and use it with the mouse like a desktop - reduces eyestrain, and when I remove the monitor so it's a few feet back, the 1280 res becomes important. That's very nice
It's heavy - a little over 10lbs, and it's a little harder to use in coffee shops on your lap, but the battery life is surprisingly good (a full 2 1/2 hour DVD). Forget about using it on the airplane, unless you're flying business class. It won't fit in a coach sized space. Fortunately, my company has given me a thinkpad to work with, so I get the best of both worlds (but actually end up hauling both of them around more often than not).
"Teachers leave us kids alone
Man that thing looks like a healthy choice TV dinner container.
I forgot to mention another ignorant Toshiba idea. Look at the URL when you are on a Toshiba laptop. There is a session ID! That means that you can give a URL to a Toshiba page to someone else, but it usually won't work. Toshiba engineers are often not very smart people.
Since I was curious, and to foster an educated comparison:
Toshiba: 2.8 GHz Pentium 4, 512 KB L2, 800 MHz Bus, 512 MB PC2100 RAM, 60GB HD, 1440x900 display, GeForceFX Go 5200 32 MB, 2 PC Card slots, Ethernet 100, IEEE 1394, 802.11a/b, 4 USB 2.0, 2 Infrared, 1 SD Card, 16.4x11.5x1.8", 9.9 lbs, 2 hr battery.
Powerbook: 1 GHz G4, 256K L2, 1MB L3, 167 MHz bus, 512 MB PC2700 RAM, 60GB HD, 1440x900 GeForce 440 Go 64MB, 1 PC Card, Ethernet 1000, 802.11g, 2 USB 1.1, IEEE 1394a, IEEE 1394b, Bluetooth, 15.4x10.2x1.0", 6.8 lbs, 4.5 hr battery.
I tried to put the specs in column format, but the filter kept rejecting it for too many "junk" characters.
It looks like they caught and surpassed apple in this case.
The Toshiba would be clearly better except for the fact that the it is 3lbs heavier, has no support for 802.11g or bluetooth, is bigger in every dimension, has a tray loading drive, has no L3 cache (vs 1MB DDR on the PB), no built-in mic, 10/100 enet (vs 10/100/1000), one FireWire 400 port (vs 1 FW 800 and 1 FW 400) and less than half the battery life.
Where the Toshiba actually is better:
Price. It is expandable to 2GB Ram while the PB maxes out at 1GB. It has a bigger L2 cache (512k vs 256k). It also burns CD-Rs twice as fast (but not CD-RWs)
Unfortunately, unlike the PB, you can't buy it with any empty ram slots. You are stuck with those useless 256MB sticks if you want to upgrade. Heck, you can't even change the ram at all before purchase.
IIRC, the Pentiums used in laptops have to scale way down to meet even their meager battery life estimates, so the Mac will even be faster for non-altivec tasks. I may be wrong on this point, but the rest stands.
Oh, and the Mac has that oh-so-cool glowing keyboard with ambient light sensor.
t'nera semordnilap
FUCKING TROLL you make me SO ANGERY!!!
"The funny thing is I bought my first mac about 1 1/2 years ago and got it because of OS X. It was still a buggy slow POS so I started playing around with OS 9 (also buggy but significantly faster) and found I liked the discontinued OS better. Kind of funny really."
Not that funny, as I tend to agree with you...
I agree about the point-stick too - God I fucking hate trackpads (weird considering that I'm a Wacom bore). As to the 17" Powerbook in general - I don't like it much at all. To me, a lptop should be small and have great battery life FIRST, and all other features come second, thus I think the 900Mhz, 12" iBook is EASILY Apple's best notebook offering.
I was just trying to point out that the Toshzilla is missing quite a few features that the Maczilla has , and is a bigger and heavier package on top.
That was classic intercourse!
It may make you feel all warm and fuzzy to think that, but Apple wasnt the first company to make a laptop with a 17" screen
normally, its good to cite your sources when you refute a claim like that.
As someone who was a sys admin up until two weeks ago, and who has the misfortune of trying to use various software products on Dell 18" LCDs (around 1200x1000 native resolution) and a Dell laptop with a 15" screen (1600x1200 native resolution) I can testify to Toshiba and Apple's wisdom in keeping the native screen resolutions down.
On the Dell under Windows, running Photoshop or Illustrator from Adobe were difficult as the font sizes are hard coded and cannot be changed by raising the DPI and this made the tiny palettes almost impossible to read. Some of Corel's software would not work with a raised DPI (Corel Capture particularly) as the sizes of the Windows were hard coded and the higher DPI meant that some of the fields and buttons were no longer visible.
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Hey! I wonder what happened to Toshiba. Perhaps, they got slashdotted. Hmmm
-Dae
"Alle reden vom wetter. Wir nicht." - SDS Sozialistischer Deutscher Studentenbund.
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For taking to a LAN party, I want a case with castors on the bottom,
like a full tower case. You're going to drive to the LAN party
anyway, so if it'll fit in the car it's good.
But a 17" laptop would be great for situations where portability is
more important, such as when travelling overseas. The correct term
here is "luggable".
Some time ago, an approximate standard was set for how big a laptop
should be. This size was chosen based on several assumptions:
1. The user could only afford one computer, so this one had to
be good for all situations.
2. 640x400 was high resolution. (If you don't remember this,
you haven't been around computers very long. 320x200 was
medium resolution, BTW. 640x480 was the very best resolution
available. SVGA didn't exist yet.)
3. The mouse was an optional extra.
4. Nobody would need a computer in a standing/walking scenerio
where there's no place to set it down.
Today, all these assumptions are _obviously_ bogus. If you have
a desktop at home, and a luggable like this (only maybe a little
bit larger, perhaps with an 18" viewable screen and a full 104
keys) for travelling (plenty of space to set that up in the hotel
room), plus a subnotebook with an 8" screen and a one-hand input
device that you can carry around town with you... and maybe a
wristwatch device or cellphone for those situations when you leave
the subnotebook behind... wouldn't that be better than a
traditional laptop with a 14" screen that's not ideal for any
situation?
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
jesus carried floppies you heretic
on an aircraft carrier all the planes have folding wings to fit in better too
it's not just the carrier it's what goes into it
same principle here
Apple controls *everything* that goes into their notebooks.. Toshiba just works existing parts into their design
Toshiba builds their laptops like tanks. Mine has done a belly flop onto a hardwood floor more than once from the desk. Without crashing or interrupting my desktop applications.
But have you tried to shoot it four times?
See the correct spelling Here.
This is unclear on the concept, I think, but Toshiba also announced the first Media Center notebook. We reviewed it if anyone's interested. The TV playback sucked.
...computers in gay colors...
I see we're still in elementary school where bigotry runs rampant.
http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/pc/pc_cf_p rodChassis.jsp?comm=ST&pfam=Satellite&pmod=P25
No, it explains PC's easy access cases, case modding, firewire compatability, hard drive Mp3 players, SCSI in servers, DVD burning capability (standard), Windows Movie Makers shameless rip of iMovie,....
the list goes on...
I think what's more interesting than this Toshiba is the news that Dell, IBM and Apple are all going back and re-introducing twelve inch models because the fourteen and fifteen inch models are selling poorly. Just read it at Digitimes today. Now that's an interesting story, notebook makers take a technological step back. Sounds like a somewhat foreboding indicator of the market.
If you go check out the story, note that they say that this move is partly to focus on the growing Asian market. Well, I find that interesting because China is the biggest growth market in Asia and none of those brands are major players in China except Dell, but even then it's only too a limited extent compared to Dell's marketshare in the West. And as for IBM and Apple, I'm quite sure that neither of them has a big chunk of the Chinese notebook market.
OK, it is huge. OK, it has a small battery life.
But does everybody need a small and totally cordless laptop ?
What about people who travel much but need the computer only on a desk with electrivity ? And want to see films ?
What about people who don't have much place at home but want a big screen ? Especially for viewing films when no place for a big TV ?
What about firms where a graphic designer can take his computer home and still have his big screen ?
What about sales people going to the customer and make a presentation for many people with only a computer ? (I think it's the main target).
Not for everybody, but why not ? That's only one more niche between the wrist-PDA and the dual-processor with two 21" LCDs.
Christophe (Don't hesitate to point out my spelling and grammar mistakes, I want to learn - Thanks).
I stopped playing that game a long time ago, and recently purchased my first laptop-- the very tiny Fujitsu Lifebook P1120, certainly at the opposite end of the scale as the 17" Toshiba. Cool machine, for what I got it for-- i.e., surfing/reading web articles on my sofa, and storing/reading documents for the occasional business trip. I recently flew from Orlando to L.A. (~5 hours), using the P1120 for most of the flight. Battery was still at ~50% by the end. The touchscreen makes this machine very usable.
Oops... this being slashdot, I should mention the obligatory: No, it's not running Linux, at least not yet. This is my first experience owning and using a WinXP machine. It's not bad, once you get it to cease the endless reminders to upgrade this or register that-- and, of course, once you load Mozilla. I'd probably convert it to Linux if a good touchscreen driver and calibration utility became available.
You overlooked its greatest feature: A floppy drive.
Computers should have floppy drives because they provide a handy place to store a floppy disk.
Think of a floppy drive as a computer's version of a glove box.
--Richard
The 42" laptop, which a screen which unfolds when opening the case. Perfect for people living all week long in hotels and want films, and geeks who have never enough place on their screen and never enough different desktops.
Can't wait to see it...
Christophe (Don't hesitate to point out my spelling and grammar mistakes, I want to learn - Thanks).
Taken from some airlines regulations...
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Hand luggage
The following rules on hand baggage are important to note:
You are allowed to take hand baggage on board on all flights (1):
* One carry-on bag, no larger than 55 x 35 x 25 cm and no heavier than 10 kg (22 lbs).
* An overcoat/blanket, umbrella/walking stick, a purse, a camera bag, and an acceptable amount of reading material.
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41.66 x 29.21 x 4.57 cm. Wow, a tight fit!
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the full quote goes
CPU performance in your computer product may vary from specifications under the following conditions:
use of certain external peripheral products
use of battery power instead of AC power
use of certain multimedia games or videos with special effects
use of standard telephone lines or low speed network connections
use of complex modeling software, such as high end computer aided design applications
use of computer in areas with low air pressure (high altitude >1,000 meters or >3,280 feet above sea level)
use of computer at temperatures outside the range of 5C to 35C (41F to 95 F) or >25C (77F) at high altitude (all temperature references are approximate).
i like the battery power, and software bits myself...
"yeah, the CPU runs at 2.8 GHz, but as soon as you load an OS*, it reduces itself to 1.7 GHz"
*some people would say that Windows XP counts as "multimedia games or videos with special effects"
Don't call me back. Give me a call back. Bye. So yeah. But bye our, well, but alright we are on a shirt this chill.
Maybe you NEED to be lugging that extra weight arround. It'll buff you up. Your lower back problems are because it's under developed.
Blar.
Putting a larger screen in a laptop isn't anything revolutionary...
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Sager has a new 17" model too. you can see it here :http://sagerforums.com/showthread.php3?s=437de15d d69a96f94e8c4415cffabc7d&threadid=3893
It has two things the Apple and Toshiba don't seem to have : a built in camera and a full keyboard with numeric keypad.
It also has a 3.06 P4 config that starts around $1800. Check out http://pctorque.com for prices.
Anyone else remember the Compaq Luggable? Or I think it was the Osbourne?
"Truly portable - only 45 pounds!". Scary stuff.
I've got a user who is looking for a large display "portable" system, and since I'm the one who has to put Linux on it, I want to know whether I'd run into many gotchas if I suggested this one.
I assumed that meant that the colours were gay, ie. festive. I can't imagine anyone in 2003 would expect to use "gay" as some sort of weird attempt at a pejorative. That's pretty funny if he did though.
;).
Or did you mean the poster was a bigot for simply not liking the colours (assuming that was his intent - we'll never know, really)? Can't see that, since I didn't like them either - I thought the grey and white ones were pretty much the best, and most buyers seemed to agree (which is probably why that's what they sell nowadays
looks a hell of a lot cooler than that. that thing is ugly!
I write code.
My dell also does 1600x1200 in 15".
Now, about this wide-screen claim.... 1400x900 makes the aspect ratio 14:9, not the 16:9 that would be more desirable for videos. My guess is that at 14:9 they want to letterbox for wide-screen and pillarbox for narrow-screen (which is 4:3 or 12:9; 14:9 is halfway between), but since there is a general transition toward wide-screen, and LCD's don't suffer burn in anywhere near as bad as CRT and plasma displays do, why not just give us a 16:9 screen?!? For that matter, make it do at least 1920x1080.
Lastly, expanding on minimum resolution, if they must use a 14:9 aspect ratio, let's make it such that a high-def video will be able to be displayed with no down scaling. Maintaining the 14:9 ratio of the screen, this would be 1920x1234.
If we want to have them meet Dell's standard of pixel density, we need to do a little math.
A 15 inch display is 12 inches wide by 9 inches high. Inside this, they fit 1600 pixels wide by 1200 pixels high, or 133.3 dpi.
A 17 inch display of 4:3 ratio would be 13.6 inches wide by 10.2 inches tall. Its res should be 1814x1360.
A 17 inch display of 14:9 ratio (if you really must) is 14.3 inches by 9.2 inches. Its resolution should be 1906x1226 (tell me we couldn't squeeze in an extra 14 pixels and make it an even 1920!)
A 17 inch display of 16:9 ratio would be 14.8 inches wide by 8.33 inches high. Its resolution would be 1973x1110, and I would advocate making it 1920x1080 instead, droppig the dot pitch back to 129.7 dpi--not a big drop.
Those are the standards I think should be met. Nice try, but not there yet.
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how many mac users does it take to figure out the weight of a 17" powerbook?? ...
anyway, i own one myself, and I think i'd get my money's worth if i'd gotten this instead for *cough* $1,300 less!! jeebus people, you silly mac users always seem to forget how darn expensive the gear is compared to PCs. Not to mention the fact that the rest of the world uses windows, so it's much easier to get software for a PC machine (which again helps me get value out of it).
and as far as the claim that i should stick to mac since i do audio, that's a load. just use what your friends use; both systems work just as well (pretty much with everything).
oh, and my mac crashes just as much as my windows machine (not much in either case).
the toshiba looks pretty bad-ass, and it's relatively cheap, regardless of what mac has done (i just wish it had 802.11g).
With this model, Toshiba could really give Osbourne a run for the money
actually gold is quite dense, and therefore quite heavy
1400x900????? WTF? I have a 15" laptop with a much more useful screen: 210,000 useful little pixels better. And it cost less.
I understand that steve jobs has vision issues and likes his pixels big, but the NEC guys can't all be like that - or at least have accepted vision correction.
Dell has the right idea: 1920x1200 pixels in a 15.1" display. Now that's useful. Pixels.... mmmm pixels. All I want is pixels. More pixels.
By far the most stunning image reproduction I've ever seen, in any format (including large format transparencies) is the 9 megapixel IBM glass (like this)
mmmmm.... more pixels.
It'd be OK for my laptop, but I wouldn't want it in my home.
Of course, I happen to be in the niche group who makes use of the integrated BT, WLAN and pressure sensitive Wacom stylus capabilities without expecting it to replace my PDA.
Incidentally, the folding down screen design makes it great for watching movies in-flight. And the pen can be used to simulate PDA stylus while developing wireless applications.
It's hard to imagine a Tablet PC with 17" screen, I think I'm comfortable with the current size but could use a bit more resolution. How about it, Toshiba? Can I have one with 1280x960 and a Radeon for Christmas, please? :-)
Jouni
Jouni Mannonen | Game Designer, Consultant
Gotta love the marketing differences between Apples and PCs:
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The 17" Apple has a softly-glowing apple logo
The 17" PC laptop has a chrome badge labeled "Notebook":
http://www.powernotebooks.com/images/4760/front-c
Your hybrid is not saving the environment. Its purpose is to make you feel good about buying something.
Looks like another in-meeting engineering joke was taken seriously by the sales and marketing folks. I'm sure there's a pack of engineers somewhere laughing their butts off.
I have never, ever used one. If you really need one - you can buy one of this small detachable ones.
Current keyboard design is an ancient artifact, that needs to die out. (And no, I hate DWORAK).
It is just all the functional keys needs to be reedsigned from the age of the dumb terminals..
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"Remember, it's 'raising shareholder value,' Not products or customers."
And a company that ignores its customers, or fails to create new customers, will fail, as has happened time again throughout business history. It's a chicken-and-egg argument in some ways, but fundamentally a businesses wouldn't exist if not for a specific social function and task.
This "increasing shareholder value" line is a fairly recent trend, and primarily a US-centric one, due to the hostile takovers of the 1980s. It largely hasn't been the general practice, as the recent corporate scandals have come to show. A recent on capitalism and democracy shows the problems with shareholder capitalism: the real issue isn't about "value", it's about making managerial power legitimate and accountable.
The main reason why "shareholder value" hasn't worked is simply because, since the very inception of the modern corporation in the 19th century, shareholders have abdicated control and influence completely to management. They just don't care about how the company is run - it's a whole lot easier to buy public equity shares than to invest in property or private debt. The de facto reality is that shares are merely an entitlement to profits or to assets upon liquidation (after debt-holders, of course).
Anyway, just a bit of theoretical babble that basically says corporate governance is a lot more complicated than "maximize your profits, boys!"
-Stu
Wow! You made an anti-microsoft joke! (more like Micro$oft, am I rite?) You are the KING of comedy. BLUE SCREEN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Amen. The US Military also purchases a lot of Toshiba.
Who is this that even the wind and the waves obey Him? Surely this computer must submit also!
Maybe at 15 lbs it was called a "Luggable" and it was 1991, but it cost $6,500
Toshiba is just trying to catch up with the Apple Portable
Both of the above points make use of the fact that floppies are (1) ubiquitous and (2) bootable. Not all USB-connected drives are bootable, for example. CDs would be good if they were truly rewritable like the magnetic media. I've never understood why people download and burn ISOs when they could, in most cases, do a network install.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Seriously, I'm holding out for the 21" laptops....at which point, I can quite happily move my home into the box it came in, and also use the behemoth to heat and light the place (ever noticed just how much light you can get off a laptop LCD?). ;-)
Seriously, though...I actually own a 15.2" PowerBook....and thought that the Apple 17" PowerBook was kind of 'neat', but not necessarily very practical for many people. But this Toshiba is the Anna Nicole Smith of laptops!! (Completely stupid, overweight, and blonde....okay, maybe not the last one).
Just my 2 cents (Canadian),
-psy
Uh, has everyone overlooked the fact that the Toshiba is just freakin' UGLY??? I wouldn't want one just because it is so ugly. And yes, I own a 17" Apple powerbook. Looks DO matter, you know.
----- One learns to itch where one can scratch.
Acer alredy have one of these - the Acer Aspire. Take a look here
I'm thinking of buying a loptop.. I'm thinking that this one sounds good (like the display).. but do any of you have any suggegstions? I've never owned a laptop so I don't know what to look for.
Just the aspect ratio is different, so you end up with a LONGER screen, but the surface area is the SAME.
Modesty is one of life's greatest attributes
Apple saves 3 lbs in the design by getting rid of the extra mouse button.
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forget it.
I agree that there is a lot of pent up demand for the PowerMac G5. But I also believe that there is also a lot of pent up demand for Apple's 15" Aluminum PowerBook.
Apple's desktop and laptop sales will get a shot in the arm this year.
Buy our 17' inch laptop and get 3 lbs free ;-)
bin
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Undetermined, but most likely Slashdot... I love it!
That a 17" laptop is useless...
But buying a laptop with a smaller screen and two LCD's for your home and your office is a better idea?!
I prefer 1600x, with many windows/mozilla windows, shells, etc... i prefer the highest res, and 1600x on a 15" is good for me. maybe your eyes are crap and cant handle it, but I find 1280 tooooooo small!
Thats what I find dumb about 17" LCD screens, few are 1600x, most are 1280, yet dell makes laptops with 1600x res
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Give me a cheap 8inch laptop with micro KB, no CDrom, no floppy, just ethernet/wifi/bt and 1024 screen in 8inchs.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
The original iMac was released in 1998 - 5 years ago. It sports a G3 (PowerPC 750) processor. I use the same chip in my PowerBook G3, though at a higher speed. I have the latest revision of Mac OS X installed on my computer. It would run slower on the iMac, and I wouldn't suggest someone who owned one to install Mac OS X.
1998 would be right at the introduction of the PIII, which came out at 450MHz. So, we would be looking at a high-end PII or a low-end PIII. You can run XP on it, but, again, I wouldn't recommend it.
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
Upon looking at the Toshiba laptop picture on Toshiba's website, I noticed it looks very much like the Apple ][ series computers from twenty years ago... It looks about as portable as one as well... :^) The Toshiba laptop should be officially called a "luggable", just like the original heavy portable computers were called...
Slashdot's first reaction to VMware
Right, because no one used SCSI in servers before the Mac people decided to standardize on it.
That's the message on the slashdotted Toshiba site. Yes, an error has indeed occurred.
Mod me down for nitpicking, but spelling mistakes in error messages are my pet peeve.
Seems they've decided to copy Apple's idea of fitting a 17" LCD on a laptop...
I like macs as much as the next guy, but this is rather silly. So, now, in the name of apple supremacy, the idea of increasing laptop screen size is revolutionary, and everyone else who tries it is just an imitator?
Folks, it's not like no one's upped the screen size of a laptop before....
Wow, the computer industry has come full circle. Pretty soon Toshiba will actually equal the size and weight of my Kaypro II portable that i bought new and still have.
.... we have a dozen or so wintel boxen at works, 5 linux servers (no i wouldnt use Windows on a server .... and an iMac because the book keeper here likes macs.
.... but .... when im here after hours , i am spending more and more time on the iLamp and less and less on the other boxes.
.... the screen is beautiful
... I got her an iMac for there too.
... but i just like the iLamp....
.... it is actually worth it
Also, i hate to get into the Mac arguements, but
I have never been a Mac fanatic , actually never really paid any attention ot them
I have apple x11 , fink , all the KDE stuff i know and love, AND iTunes, iMovie etc all on the same desktop.
AND
So, when the kid wanted a computer at home
It may be non scientific
and i really cant say i get excited about any of the wintel boxen that are used for work stations here
So the end result is that even if the iLamp is more $$$$
* Carthago Delenda Est *
On the website, there's a link called "detailed specs" to a pdf. In the pdf it states that the keys are full-sized keys. So it seems to me that they are not necessarily your average, teeny-weeny laptop keys, you know?
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities." -Albert Einstein
"not all machines have CD drives..."
What year are you living in... 1996? I haven't seen a computer without a CD drive in years. In fact, I have a Pentium 75, and even it has a CD drive.
You even mention that CDs can be used for everything that you use floppies for. You're living in the past. Admit it... floppies are dead.
Just need a decent video card that supports Linux. OK, ATI isn't stellar in their support, but they're certainly better than binary only Nvidia. Besides, the new 9600 is supposed to be a desktop beater!
Okay, let's test that theory out. You remember the Pythagorean Theorem from high school, don't you:
a^2 + b^2 = h^2 (a-squared + b-squared = h-squared)
h: length of the hypotenuse of a right triangle
a, b: lengths of the two other sides
The aspect ratio of a non-widescreen display is 4 to 3. Therefore, for a 17" screen:
(a^2) + (b^2) = 17^2 (1)
b/a = 4/3 (2)
From the second equation, b = 4a/3. Combining equations 1 and 2:
a^2 + (4a/3)^2 = 17^2
a^2 + 16a^2/9 = 17^2
25a^2/9 = 289
5a/3 = 17
a = 51/5 = 10.2
b = 13.6
a*b = 138.72
The area of the 17" non-widescreen display is 138.72 inches squared.
For the 17" widescreen display, which has an aspect ratio of 16 to 9:
(a^2) + (b^2) = 17^2 (3)
b/a = 16/9 (4)
From equation 4, b = 16a/9.
a^2 + 256a^2/81 = 17^2
337a^2/81 = 17^2
a^2 = 17^2*81/337
a^2 = 69.46
a = 8.33
b = 16a/9 = 14.82
a*b = 123.42
The area of the 17" widescreen display is 123.42 inches squared.
Sorry, what was that you were saying about the two displays having the same area?
Believe it or not, most people use computers with *gasp* Windows compatible software. Why would I dump my *adequate* notebook and desktop for a notebook with an alleged coolness edge, when I would have to pay big bucks for new software, without half the choice available on the windows side? Some people actually pay for their software.
Wow! What a thinly veiled insult.
I don't know how you managed to make the connection that because you believe that there is less choice in the software market for the Mac, and the fact that it costs money that I would pirate my software. That's just rediculous.
I think you'll find software piracy is less pronounced in Mac circles, but that's beside the point.
To be honest, if you inculde Virtual PC, you can run pretty much all Windows software on a Mac (albeit at a performance penalty), but most of the big name stuff is Mac native. Unless you need some obscure piece of windows software, you're in business (for the same software cost as Windows), but of course, there's always Virtual PC for that obscure bit of software..
Do I lose karma for feeding this brain dead troll?
Setting the dpi to 120dpi on my 15" 1600x1200 laptop screen, in windows XP doesn't just make my stuff half the size. It makes the fonts larger, and easier to read, and better anti aliased than the same fonts at 96dpi, if they are scaled to the same size.
The point is, telling XP that your display is 120dpi doesn't make everything smaller, it lets XP know that the display is 120dpi, so it can adjust fonts and make things readable.
So.. having a higher resolution, in other words, more dots per inch to work with, does indeed let the display show things more clearly. Obviously, the OS needs to support scaleable, vectored stuff... and the layout needs to take care of that.. but at least in the windows camp, it kind of does. Don't know about Apple, as I haven't got a super high res screen.. yet.
So before you tell people "It doesn't make anything look sharper" I suggest you compare two 15" screens running windows xp:
the 1024x768 screen, with XP set to 96dpi
and the 1600x1200 screen, with XP set to 120dpi.
Then come back and say which one has "crisper" fonts.
I of course meant I'm NOW completely in love with it. Gah..... the irony.
Yeah well... it makes sense. If I want/need power, I have that on my desk at work, or at home.
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I thought plastic.