Storm cellers, basements, crawl spaces. It's all good.
Bathtubs are good not because of the material, but because it's one piece, they usually survive and it's a place you can get down and cover your vital organs and noggin while having some side protection.
Tubs usually were cast iron with a porcelain coating over them, now they are usually fiberglass.
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"Plus every soldier does not qualify for that."
No, thats for soldiers who die in a combat area or in combat.
The families of the window washers who died in the WTC also got several million in government funds and charity.
Rep Barton doesn't represent Texas, he represents the 6th District which is near Dallas.
He represents Fort Worth, Arlington and Ennis.
The Shuttle was built in California, the companies that run the Shuttle ground program are from Washington and Colorado and California. The company that builds the boosters is in Utah. And all the Shuttles are worked on in Florida and California. Replacement for Shuttle will most likely be built in California.
I don't think it's fair to point at Texas for all of this.
Lockmart Space stuff is in California, Florida, Colorado, Texas. Boeing Space stuff is in Missouri, California, Florida, Washington
Can't blame it all on Texas
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The foam fell off during launch.
No Shuttle has ever aborted a launch and at that point if I remeber right would have meant an orbit and re-entry, which if the foam did cause this, would have lead to Shuttle's destruction anyway.
It's not as if the foam fell off, they looked and it and said "Fuck-it, lets light this candle", shoved the crew in and launched.
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"Face it, the US population doesn't care about soldiers lives."
That's why the US pulled out of Somalia, because the population didn't care that American soldiers were being drug through the streets.
That's why the US Central Command was hesitant about using soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, because they *knew* Americans didn't care about how many soldiers died over there.
"Surviving spouses of veterans who died after Jan. 1, 1993, receive $935 a month. For a spouse entitled to DIC based on the veteran's death prior to Jan. 1, 1993, the amount paid is $935 or an amount based on the veteran's pay grade."
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There is a huge amount of private-sector activity in coming up with plans and neat picture of what thier suborbital systems will look like, someday. Maybe.
You've got a bunch of people trying to Mercury out of the middle of the desert and suborbital flight.
You've got the Japanese doing mini-Shuttle atmospheric tests and the Chinese making all kinds of wild claims about manned space, but they've not launched a thing with a person yet.
So where is the private sector replacement for Shuttle?
I tell 'em right as the pen hits the paper on the contract.
"I've had cancer twice, three times if you count the relapse in '82 and I need to go to physical therapy at least once a week and I take an extra day off for Christmas vacation day or not and I'll expect to be paid for it."
I don't understand why we aren't taking the Gemini and Apollo and Agena systems, retrofitting the designs with modern electronics and using those for trips to ISS or for supply up there.
STS has a place and a use, but it's not being a Space Taxi.
I can rip my CD, make a playlist and then when my iPod is plugged into recharge it syncs up not only my MP3s but my calender and contacts with iSync.
When I was working I would backup people's computers, reformat them, reinstall everything via the iPod, or run TechTools or Diskwarrior and recharge the old battery at the same time.
My point was that these "what ifs" were all fanciful.
You can't put a MIRV or warhead in liquid nitrogen and except it to be magically cold when you launch because it takes hours to them mount the warhead and the shroud atop a missile. And you're not going to have Nitrogen pumps up in there because well it's not going to help.
Cold doesn't reduce a radar signature of something, and no one is going to be able to reduce the rocket plume on launch. The final interceptor is IR guided, but even up at 200-300 miles up there is friction from atmosphere and heat from the sun to warm the cold warhead.
Little jets making the warhead dance are going to have to complicate your launch system and reduce your throw weight. Remeber that it takes the US the same amount of wieght and space to make an interceptor with little jets as it does to make a MIRV for a 1.2MT warhead from the 60s. The DPRK, Chinese and even the Russian don't have that level of technology, plus the number of launches you need to make sure it works is going to tip your hand.
Crazy light effects? Radar doesn't get distracted by crazy lights.
The Patriots have already shot down fewer airlines that British Jets. Zero is fewer than One.
"What if they soak the warhead in liquid nitrogen just before placing it in the missile nosecone?"
What if something dings the supercooled warhead and it shatters?
"What if they use gas jets to jockey the warhead around randomly as it travels?"
And then it is how accurate? CEP is important for a nuke or any other missile. A wigglin' MIRV is a MIRV that tumbles and burns.
"What if they first nuke the airspace high over the pacific ocean to screw up all of the sensitive detection equipment?"
Military electronics are hardened. Military communications are hardened and redundant. The US military has been buying systems designed to fight a war in a theatre or stratigic nuclear environment for close to 60 years now.
"What if they install a cruise missile on a fishing boat?"
That's what TMD upgrades for Patriot and Aegis are for.
"What if they mail the bomb by FedEx?"
It's gotta be under 70 pounds for delivery to the door.
Does the sawed-off shotgun in the Souyz capsule to fight off wolves violate the provisions that demiliterize space?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/05/05/soyuz.l an dings.ap/index.html
"In 1976, a Soyuz spacecraft came down in a freezing squall and splashed into a lake; the crew spent the night bobbing in the capsule.
Eleven years before that, two cosmonauts overshot their touchdown site by 2,000 miles and found themselves deep in a forest with hungry wolves. That's when Russian space officials decided to pack a sawed-off shotgun aboard every spacecraft."
If they can launch a shotgun hundreds of times, then why can't the US launch some lasers?
Yea you can. You know what decoys the US uses, you have intel on what the Russians use and therefore what the Chinese use. By knowing the throw-weight of the DPRK warhead, the range of the missile and the weight of the missile you can figure out how many decoys the DRPK have.
Then you mockup a Minuteman II out at Vandenberg the way you expect the OpFor's bird is and fly it, you take that data and compare it to known parameters on your SDI systems and you start making up senarios.
Saying that it won't work because we don't know what they'll do is like saying an F-15C with AIM-120s can't shoot down a MiG-29 with AA-10s the first time they meet because we don't know what the MiG's capabilities are.
"Take a Microsoft Windows XP or Mac OS X machine out of the box and use it and it operates in a similar manner to LindowsOS ? the first person to touch it can do whatever they want."
Sorry, Mac OS X is not running as root out of the box.
While the first user is an Admin, they do no have root access, there are many directories they can't see, and they can't go in and trash stuff in another users account.
Fewer contractors mean it's harder to rip off the DoD and the old rules of lowest bidder and if there's one bidder you have to take it are gone.
That's what led the the expensive toilet seat, the screws, nails and hammer.
The C-5 coffee pot that cost so much was becuase they needed a coffee pot that would work at altitude with the cabin de-pressed and doors open with hurricane force winds ripping around.
At any given time 1/3 of your force in down for some reason.
Aircraft Carriers are at 1/8 of the force is down at any given time.
Fighters are around 1/4-1/3.
Bombers and non-nuclear ships are at 1/3.
If you need 10,000 Sidewinder missiles, you need to buy around 14,000 so you have 10,000 that work.
When dealing with nukes, it's different.
There are tactical, reserve, stockpile, strategic stockpile and strategic weapons.
There are formulas of what needs to be done, how many weapons it takes to eliminate a target and what weapons are where.
For instance. The SLBMs on the Trident subs are for blowing the hell out of silo complexes and railroad networks that might have a rail ICBM system. The Minuteman missiles are for C3 (command/control/communication) and the manned bombers are for recall up to the point of a drop. If you are going to nuke the DPRK you send the manned bombers so you can recall if there is a breakthrough at the last minute.
Now you have all these systems, you have to build extras because you have to assume systems will be down and that in a war, systems will be lost to attrition.
And targets do require more than one nuke. For instance, I recall that your average Minuteman II/III silo during the Cold War had 5 MIRVs targeted on it. That was because they needed to get three on the silo and thier CEP was so high that they needed to chuck 5 over to get 3 close enough to kill the silo.
The United States does not have the ability to kill everyone 50 times over. NBC weapons are bad, but not that effective.
When you put money in R&D, you are paying for saleries.
CAT, PET, MRI are all spin-offs of Nuclear Weapon design tools.
Roads, Bridges and Schools, while are somewhat funded by the Federal Government are for the most part the resonsability of the State and Local Governments.
There is a flier up at PSU of a cartoon in which the teacher is ranting that the US is going to start a war while Portland OR schools are having a funding problem with the implication that it's Washington's problem.
It isn't.
The problems with state budgets at this point are amplified by bad tax and monetary policies at the District, City, County, and State governments.
Here in Oregon the state legislature spent $212,000 for new chairs while selling the old ones for.$77 each.
Additionally, Oregon's legislators reportedly spent more than $500,000 of taxpayer money on newsletters and travel to resorts in Hawaii and Florida.
When they found out they couldn't get $400,000 of new Thinkpads there was a near revolt.
When a state gets money, they do stupid shit. I say spending it on DoD and NASA is alot better than pissing it away with things like the Big Dig. 5 years and 11 billion dollars late?
Lets fund the Mob! Lets repair something.
Throwing money at a problem caused by bad fiscal policy doesn't fix the problem.
If you have someone with a credit card problem do you hand them another card?
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We had Tornado shelters in South Dakota.
Storm cellers, basements, crawl spaces. It's all good.
Bathtubs are good not because of the material, but because it's one piece, they usually survive and it's a place you can get down and cover your vital organs and noggin while having some side protection.
Tubs usually were cast iron with a porcelain coating over them, now they are usually fiberglass.
"Plus every soldier does not qualify for that."
No, thats for soldiers who die in a combat area or in combat.
The families of the window washers who died in the WTC also got several million in government funds and charity.
So did the kids who lost parents in the WTC.
Rep Barton doesn't represent Texas, he represents the 6th District which is near Dallas.
He represents Fort Worth, Arlington and Ennis.
The Shuttle was built in California, the companies that run the Shuttle ground program are from Washington and Colorado and California. The company that builds the boosters is in Utah. And all the Shuttles are worked on in Florida and California. Replacement for Shuttle will most likely be built in California.
I don't think it's fair to point at Texas for all of this.
Lockmart Space stuff is in California, Florida, Colorado, Texas.
Boeing Space stuff is in Missouri, California, Florida, Washington
Can't blame it all on Texas
The foam fell off during launch.
No Shuttle has ever aborted a launch and at that point if I remeber right would have meant an orbit and re-entry, which if the foam did cause this, would have lead to Shuttle's destruction anyway.
It's not as if the foam fell off, they looked and it and said "Fuck-it, lets light this candle", shoved the crew in and launched.
"Face it, the US population doesn't care about soldiers lives."
That's why the US pulled out of Somalia, because the population didn't care that American soldiers were being drug through the streets.
That's why the US Central Command was hesitant about using soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, because they *knew* Americans didn't care about how many soldiers died over there.
"Surviving spouses of veterans who died after Jan. 1, 1993, receive $935 a month. For a spouse entitled to DIC based on the veteran's death prior to Jan. 1, 1993, the amount paid is $935 or an amount based on the veteran's pay grade."
There is a huge amount of private-sector activity in coming up with plans and neat picture of what thier suborbital systems will look like, someday. Maybe.
You've got a bunch of people trying to Mercury out of the middle of the desert and suborbital flight.
You've got the Japanese doing mini-Shuttle atmospheric tests and the Chinese making all kinds of wild claims about manned space, but they've not launched a thing with a person yet.
So where is the private sector replacement for Shuttle?
I tell 'em right as the pen hits the paper on the contract.
"I've had cancer twice, three times if you count the relapse in '82 and I need to go to physical therapy at least once a week and I take an extra day off for Christmas vacation day or not and I'll expect to be paid for it."
I've never had a problem.
Thanks for the info, that is great.
Apollo Command Module and Service Module would be great for this.
Is the Apollo Landing Module next to come out of the garage?
I don't understand why we aren't taking the Gemini and Apollo and Agena systems, retrofitting the designs with modern electronics and using those for trips to ISS or for supply up there.
STS has a place and a use, but it's not being a Space Taxi.
"Right now, we're still at the Lewis & Clark stage."
No we aren't.
Right now we are at the Land Bridge from Asia to America and/or the Europe to America land bridge.
When we have 5 million people in space and getting ready to send men further we will be at the Lewis and Clark stage.
I can rip my CD, make a playlist and then when my iPod is plugged into recharge it syncs up not only my MP3s but my calender and contacts with iSync.
When I was working I would backup people's computers, reformat them, reinstall everything via the iPod, or run TechTools or Diskwarrior and recharge the old battery at the same time.
3in x 4.4 x .93 inches for the Nomad
My point was that these "what ifs" were all fanciful.
You can't put a MIRV or warhead in liquid nitrogen and except it to be magically cold when you launch because it takes hours to them mount the warhead and the shroud atop a missile. And you're not going to have Nitrogen pumps up in there because well it's not going to help.
Cold doesn't reduce a radar signature of something, and no one is going to be able to reduce the rocket plume on launch. The final interceptor is IR guided, but even up at 200-300 miles up there is friction from atmosphere and heat from the sun to warm the cold warhead.
Little jets making the warhead dance are going to have to complicate your launch system and reduce your throw weight. Remeber that it takes the US the same amount of wieght and space to make an interceptor with little jets as it does to make a MIRV for a 1.2MT warhead from the 60s. The DPRK, Chinese and even the Russian don't have that level of technology, plus the number of launches you need to make sure it works is going to tip your hand.
Crazy light effects? Radar doesn't get distracted by crazy lights.
The Patriots have already shot down fewer airlines that British Jets. Zero is fewer than One.
"What if they soak the warhead in liquid nitrogen just before placing it in the missile nosecone?"
What if something dings the supercooled warhead and it shatters?
"What if they use gas jets to jockey the warhead around randomly as it travels?"
And then it is how accurate? CEP is important for a nuke or any other missile. A wigglin' MIRV is a MIRV that tumbles and burns.
"What if they first nuke the airspace high over the pacific ocean to screw up all of the sensitive detection equipment?"
Military electronics are hardened. Military communications are hardened and redundant. The US military has been buying systems designed to fight a war in a theatre or stratigic nuclear environment for close to 60 years now.
"What if they install a cruise missile on a fishing boat?"
That's what TMD upgrades for Patriot and Aegis are for.
"What if they mail the bomb by FedEx?"
It's gotta be under 70 pounds for delivery to the door.
Does the sawed-off shotgun in the Souyz capsule to fight off wolves violate the provisions that demiliterize space?
l an dings.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/05/05/soyuz.
"In 1976, a Soyuz spacecraft came down in a freezing squall and splashed into a lake; the crew spent the night bobbing in the capsule.
Eleven years before that, two cosmonauts overshot their touchdown site by 2,000 miles and found themselves deep in a forest with hungry wolves. That's when Russian space officials decided to pack a sawed-off shotgun aboard every spacecraft."
If they can launch a shotgun hundreds of times, then why can't the US launch some lasers?
"The point is you can never test SDI"
Yea you can. You know what decoys the US uses, you have intel on what the Russians use and therefore what the Chinese use. By knowing the throw-weight of the DPRK warhead, the range of the missile and the weight of the missile you can figure out how many decoys the DRPK have.
Then you mockup a Minuteman II out at Vandenberg the way you expect the OpFor's bird is and fly it, you take that data and compare it to known parameters on your SDI systems and you start making up senarios.
Saying that it won't work because we don't know what they'll do is like saying an F-15C with AIM-120s can't shoot down a MiG-29 with AA-10s the first time they meet because we don't know what the MiG's capabilities are.
The RoK needs to worry alot more about DPRK field artillery than can hit urban areas right now.
The big guns, like the 152mm tubes can hit Seoul while 10,000 DPRK artillery and mortar tubes can hit 75% of South Korea?s population.
Not to mention sabotage and the world's second largest Special Operations trained force.
" Any thing that Root needs to do is done threw the sudo command."
You still need to enable root on OS X, which requires getting into NetInfo Manager
"Take a Microsoft Windows XP or Mac OS X machine out of the box and use it and it operates in a similar manner to LindowsOS ? the first person to touch it can do whatever they want."
Sorry, Mac OS X is not running as root out of the box.
While the first user is an Admin, they do no have root access, there are many directories they can't see, and they can't go in and trash stuff in another users account.
It's cool.
/. login so it's all good :)
I'm dealin' with it, hell I can remeber my
Booze?
Weed?
Drugs?
I've got those beat.
Cranial Radiation at age 7 and 9, focused right for the center.
I can remeber things for about 10 minutes, then I forget them, and then remeber tham about 4-6 weeks later.
I remeber phone calls from 1992 but I couldn't tell you what I ate for lunch 5 hours ago.
Reminds me of that 14.4 GB IBM Deathstar I had in a G3 a few years ago.
It's not like it was in the 70s and 80s.
Fewer contractors mean it's harder to rip off the DoD and the old rules of lowest bidder and if there's one bidder you have to take it are gone.
That's what led the the expensive toilet seat, the screws, nails and hammer.
The C-5 coffee pot that cost so much was becuase they needed a coffee pot that would work at altitude with the cabin de-pressed and doors open with hurricane force winds ripping around.
There is a reason for over building defense.
At any given time 1/3 of your force in down for some reason.
Aircraft Carriers are at 1/8 of the force is down at any given time.
Fighters are around 1/4-1/3.
Bombers and non-nuclear ships are at 1/3.
If you need 10,000 Sidewinder missiles, you need to buy around 14,000 so you have 10,000 that work.
When dealing with nukes, it's different.
There are tactical, reserve, stockpile, strategic stockpile and strategic weapons.
There are formulas of what needs to be done, how many weapons it takes to eliminate a target and what weapons are where.
For instance. The SLBMs on the Trident subs are for blowing the hell out of silo complexes and railroad networks that might have a rail ICBM system. The Minuteman missiles are for C3 (command/control/communication) and the manned bombers are for recall up to the point of a drop. If you are going to nuke the DPRK you send the manned bombers so you can recall if there is a breakthrough at the last minute.
Now you have all these systems, you have to build extras because you have to assume systems will be down and that in a war, systems will be lost to attrition.
And targets do require more than one nuke. For instance, I recall that your average Minuteman II/III silo during the Cold War had 5 MIRVs targeted on it. That was because they needed to get three on the silo and thier CEP was so high that they needed to chuck 5 over to get 3 close enough to kill the silo.
The United States does not have the ability to kill everyone 50 times over. NBC weapons are bad, but not that effective.
When you put money in R&D, you are paying for saleries.
.$77 each.
CAT, PET, MRI are all spin-offs of Nuclear Weapon design tools.
Roads, Bridges and Schools, while are somewhat funded by the Federal Government are for the most part the resonsability of the State and Local Governments.
There is a flier up at PSU of a cartoon in which the teacher is ranting that the US is going to start a war while Portland OR schools are having a funding problem with the implication that it's Washington's problem.
It isn't.
The problems with state budgets at this point are amplified by bad tax and monetary policies at the District, City, County, and State governments.
Here in Oregon the state legislature spent $212,000 for new chairs while selling the old ones for
Additionally, Oregon's legislators reportedly spent more than $500,000 of taxpayer money on newsletters and travel to resorts in Hawaii and Florida.
When they found out they couldn't get $400,000 of new Thinkpads there was a near revolt.
When a state gets money, they do stupid shit. I say spending it on DoD and NASA is alot better than pissing it away with things like the Big Dig. 5 years and 11 billion dollars late?
Lets fund the Mob! Lets repair something.
Throwing money at a problem caused by bad fiscal policy doesn't fix the problem.
If you have someone with a credit card problem do you hand them another card?
Actually...
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h tm
Texas, Ohio, Kentucky, are all involved in production, but the only operational assembly plants are in New Mexico and Texas at this point.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/pant
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/doe.
I don't see a DoE facility in Utah, but there are storage sites there.
Funny, two of the biggest Chemical storage sites in CONUS are in Utah (Tooele) and Umatillia which is a strong Mormon county in Oregon...