Right so a trojan will have a more difficult chance of compromising the OS itself. However it can still destroy the users data easily and to most people the data is the important thing. So if trojan writes cant figure out linux/os x (but we all know they will eventually) they might just get nasty and destroy data instead.
In the end
A. Dont take candy from strangers.
Agreed. You can not make a system to prevent users from shooting themselves in the fool. I mean I can drive my car into a tree, how dare it let me do that!
Until somebody writes something for those operating systems. Sure they may not be capable of being taken over at the level of a windows machine can be, but they can still lose all their data which will be just as bad.
True you would hope after 15 years they could get a lot right. But how many times have you gone from one rev to another (major or minor) and something gets fucked up?
Not making an excuse for it, it shouldn't happen but it always will.
A) does the software exist on another OS?
b) does it have the same functionality?
c) do A and B except with hardware.
d) time needed to setup this on different OS's
I have done the research for myself and the cost to go to Mac is greater then going to linux which in turn is greater then going to vista which in turn is more expensive then sticking with XP.
This is based on my software and hardware needs and what I currently have...YMMV.
No it doesn't get rid of the expenses but the point being people complain about how expensive X is and when you point out other expenses in their life it opens up their eyes. And not just referring to software but anything. It puts things in perspective
I said ACCOUNTING software not something to balance a check book. I'm talking about 401ks, stock markets, full reporting functionality, etc, etc. What's the free equivalent? Whats the equivalent for Adobe CS that my fiance uses to create and publish scientific journals? And is it widely use like CS? All the labs she has been in they all use CS.
Lets talk about my hardware which I haven;t been able to get to run under linux. Scanners, printers, and a few other items. What's the cost to me to buy replacements?
My point: THere is so much more to consider then the whole Linux vs Mac vs Windows argument.
"Now, since they are more or less equal, why use the one that cost you big money?"
Big Money we are talking about a couple hundred bucks for an OS you will have for many years. What's your cable/food/rent/drinking/hobby/car/etc bill every month? Assuming you buy vista ultimate at $400 (which most people can easily find deals) and you use it for 5 years, it costs you 6.67 a month.
Considering all the software that runs on MS and figuring in things like tax software, accounting, games, hardware that doesn't have linux drivers, etc. it would be more expensive to go to Linux for me then if I bought Vista.
Yup that's the reason I took Vista of my fiances machine. She liked the new look to it a lot and the widgets but it wouldn't run her Adobe Creative Suite and scanner.
Back to XP....
Any software or hardware in its 1st release will have issues. Can you name me something that in its 1st release was perfect?
As for the data I agree if you are going to try a 1st rev of something back up your data. THis logic applies to any OS. I've had friends go from OSX 10.2 to 10.3 and hose their system and lose their data. Ask them where the backups are and you get the blank stare....
Nothing perfect...plan for the worst
I think people overlook one more thing: hardware and software.
A friend of mind loves Apple and when I was looking for laptops said at least look and I did. Now forgetting about the price difference between the Dell Inspirion vs a Macbook pro here was the break down to go to an Apple:
Adobe CS 2.3 $200 [work related]
New Scanner (old one does not work with Apple I checked) $200 [to get the same DPI, resolution,etc)
New color photo printer (same as above) $200
MS Office $150 [yes there is OO but would be used in work environments so better safe then sorry]
etc. etc.
So right off the bat $750 worth of new hardware/software I would have to buy. All I would need for Vista is Adobe 2.3. So the cost alone between Apple vs. Vista is already $500 for Misc. hardware and software. The list gets longer if I want to go to a Linux distribution (more software and hardware need replacing).
I'm not rich $500 is a chunk of change to me. I have a feeling a lot of other people may be in similar situations. Now tack on the price difference between the fully loaded Dell e1505 I got vs the Mac Book pro and its a HUGE chunk of change.
And of course now I need to say the standard slashdot disclaimer: I do not hate Linux I have used it a lot, I do not hate Macs I have used them too.
But you get way more out of the stuff you bought. And I mean things like exercise, knowledge (Camping skills for example), stuff you can give to your kids, stories you can tell, etc.
I mean telling a story about a funny camping trip 30 years from now vs. a raid or something.
Plus the stuff you buy has value. But wait you say virtual currency as value I can sell it. Tell ya what go ask your insurance company if they will cover the lost of virtual game money.
But if we lived in a Utopian society we wouldn't need jobs...if we need to work to survive then it must be a non utopian society. I think the utopian society would be one of Greek mythology where you wake up and realize all you have to do is eat, sleep, and have sex.
With the USB ports can't you just buy an external drive and plug it in? I thought I read somewhere the 360 can do this (I have one but dont have an external drive to test this). I would think it would be easier to include a default size HD and then if you want more go buy whatever you want and plug it in.
Yup all the flash means nothing if they are no good games.
PSP vs. DS taught us this.
I've had several friends buy a 360 (and forget about buying a ps3) because enough of their friends had it where they could swap games. A big installed base is going to help a lot.
"You don't need new hardware to run Ubuntu and there is a raft of very functional productivity software available."
What if your current hardware is not supported? What if a company has a lot of applications they need that are windows specific? What's the downtown and training time needed to go to Ubuntu (maybe more then vista, maybe less, just asking). If you hire a full time developer and they cost 50k, then the general rule of thumb is the total cost to hire them (time, benefits, etc) is about twice that. Employees are expensive and I think a lot of IT people see the initial costs of IT hardware/software still low compared to that (not in all cases I know this).
And the other question is why does the business need to upgrade to vista at all?
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Right so a trojan will have a more difficult chance of compromising the OS itself. However it can still destroy the users data easily and to most people the data is the important thing. So if trojan writes cant figure out linux/os x (but we all know they will eventually) they might just get nasty and destroy data instead. In the end A. Dont take candy from strangers.
Agreed. You can not make a system to prevent users from shooting themselves in the fool. I mean I can drive my car into a tree, how dare it let me do that!
Until somebody writes something for those operating systems. Sure they may not be capable of being taken over at the level of a windows machine can be, but they can still lose all their data which will be just as bad.
no one forces you to buy anything. It's a luxury item, don't want it? don't buy it.
True you would hope after 15 years they could get a lot right. But how many times have you gone from one rev to another (major or minor) and something gets fucked up?
Not making an excuse for it, it shouldn't happen but it always will.
I should have been more clear my fault...
A) does the software exist on another OS?
b) does it have the same functionality?
c) do A and B except with hardware.
d) time needed to setup this on different OS's
I have done the research for myself and the cost to go to Mac is greater then going to linux which in turn is greater then going to vista which in turn is more expensive then sticking with XP.
This is based on my software and hardware needs and what I currently have...YMMV.
No it doesn't get rid of the expenses but the point being people complain about how expensive X is and when you point out other expenses in their life it opens up their eyes. And not just referring to software but anything. It puts things in perspective
I said ACCOUNTING software not something to balance a check book. I'm talking about 401ks, stock markets, full reporting functionality, etc, etc. What's the free equivalent? Whats the equivalent for Adobe CS that my fiance uses to create and publish scientific journals? And is it widely use like CS? All the labs she has been in they all use CS.
Lets talk about my hardware which I haven;t been able to get to run under linux. Scanners, printers, and a few other items. What's the cost to me to buy replacements?
My point: THere is so much more to consider then the whole Linux vs Mac vs Windows argument.
if the blue hedgehogs dont fool you then you are doing the wrong drugs :-)
"Now, since they are more or less equal, why use the one that cost you big money?"
Big Money we are talking about a couple hundred bucks for an OS you will have for many years. What's your cable/food/rent/drinking/hobby/car/etc bill every month? Assuming you buy vista ultimate at $400 (which most people can easily find deals) and you use it for 5 years, it costs you 6.67 a month.
Considering all the software that runs on MS and figuring in things like tax software, accounting, games, hardware that doesn't have linux drivers, etc. it would be more expensive to go to Linux for me then if I bought Vista.
Yup that's the reason I took Vista of my fiances machine. She liked the new look to it a lot and the widgets but it wouldn't run her Adobe Creative Suite and scanner. Back to XP....
Any software or hardware in its 1st release will have issues. Can you name me something that in its 1st release was perfect? As for the data I agree if you are going to try a 1st rev of something back up your data. THis logic applies to any OS. I've had friends go from OSX 10.2 to 10.3 and hose their system and lose their data. Ask them where the backups are and you get the blank stare.... Nothing perfect...plan for the worst
you must be new here....
Except all the small print they use in the car ads can not be read unless you get real close to the TV and hopefully have a DVR
What's on TV right now a lending tree commercial. The small print is so small even pausing it and getting close to the TV I can't make it all out.
I think people overlook one more thing: hardware and software.
,etc)
A friend of mind loves Apple and when I was looking for laptops said at least look and I did. Now forgetting about the price difference between the Dell Inspirion vs a Macbook pro here was the break down to go to an Apple:
Adobe CS 2.3 $200 [work related]
New Scanner (old one does not work with Apple I checked) $200 [to get the same DPI, resolution
New color photo printer (same as above) $200
MS Office $150 [yes there is OO but would be used in work environments so better safe then sorry]
etc. etc.
So right off the bat $750 worth of new hardware/software I would have to buy. All I would need for Vista is Adobe 2.3. So the cost alone between Apple vs. Vista is already $500 for Misc. hardware and software. The list gets longer if I want to go to a Linux distribution (more software and hardware need replacing).
I'm not rich $500 is a chunk of change to me. I have a feeling a lot of other people may be in similar situations. Now tack on the price difference between the fully loaded Dell e1505 I got vs the Mac Book pro and its a HUGE chunk of change.
And of course now I need to say the standard slashdot disclaimer: I do not hate Linux I have used it a lot, I do not hate Macs I have used them too.
But you get way more out of the stuff you bought. And I mean things like exercise, knowledge (Camping skills for example), stuff you can give to your kids, stories you can tell, etc. I mean telling a story about a funny camping trip 30 years from now vs. a raid or something. Plus the stuff you buy has value. But wait you say virtual currency as value I can sell it. Tell ya what go ask your insurance company if they will cover the lost of virtual game money.
But if we lived in a Utopian society we wouldn't need jobs...if we need to work to survive then it must be a non utopian society. I think the utopian society would be one of Greek mythology where you wake up and realize all you have to do is eat, sleep, and have sex.
With the USB ports can't you just buy an external drive and plug it in? I thought I read somewhere the 360 can do this (I have one but dont have an external drive to test this). I would think it would be easier to include a default size HD and then if you want more go buy whatever you want and plug it in.
ya oblivion is buggy as hell but I did enjoy it a lot. I hope they release another patch for the 360 addressing the issues.
sure you can hear the fan when its on and not doing anything. Watch a movie or play a game and you don't hear it.
all 360s come with a one year warranty now. If you bought one with a 90 day they upgraded you automatically....just an fyi
but it is available on DVD and much cheaper....
Yup all the flash means nothing if they are no good games.
PSP vs. DS taught us this.
I've had several friends buy a 360 (and forget about buying a ps3) because enough of their friends had it where they could swap games. A big installed base is going to help a lot.
If Sony does a price cut I expect MS to do the same. And the rate at which sony loses money per console can they afford a big enough price cut?
but I like trannies you insensitive clod...
Not trolling mind you..
"You don't need new hardware to run Ubuntu and there is a raft of very functional productivity software available."
What if your current hardware is not supported? What if a company has a lot of applications they need that are windows specific? What's the downtown and training time needed to go to Ubuntu (maybe more then vista, maybe less, just asking). If you hire a full time developer and they cost 50k, then the general rule of thumb is the total cost to hire them (time, benefits, etc) is about twice that. Employees are expensive and I think a lot of IT people see the initial costs of IT hardware/software still low compared to that (not in all cases I know this).
And the other question is why does the business need to upgrade to vista at all?