Please tell me the line in the GPL that says you can't charge money for software under it. As far as I can remember, the major selling point for getting corporations to use it is that they can sell the software. Of course, they generally have to do it for a good price, otherwise someone will just read the code and write something 90% compatible that will do the job better for a lower price. Probably one of their competitors.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Yes, even though I usually don't agree with Katz, this is definitely something I've noticed. IMHO, its partially because webmasters tend to focus on one thing in their site and link to related sites. And people tend to browse sites mainly related to their interests. Good article, Jon. Might be a good idea next time round to elaborate on this some more? -RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I agree pretty much completely with you. IMHO, open source is the future of the computer industry. But right now, too many companies are thinking that open source will mean their profit margins will go up in smoke.
No, I don't like Transmeta hiding various specifics of their processors. But what does Linus have to do with this? He has to eat, and thus has to keep up a job. And, as you pointed out, managers/executives often don't like the idea of open-sourcing a product, no matter how enthusiastic about it their tech people are. In this case, IMHO, Linus == Tech Person.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I hate to state the obvious here, but its quite stupid for the search to concentrate on California and Oregon, unless the searchers have some really conclusive evidence. If I were doing this kind of thing (and I don't like even contemplating it), I'd be as far away from my "zombies" as possible.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I'm rather sick of people getting moderated up just because (so it seems) they're bashing the "Slashdot psychology." Look, Slashdot is (generally) pro-Linux. If you don't like that, leave. (Yes, I know this is belligerent, but I am quite *****-ed off)
Ok, first, a point I want to make. If you can't make a big program bug-free, what do you do? You chop it up into a bunch of little programs and debug those. Sound programming sense. *n?x does this to some degree, and Windows doesn't.
Second, Linux does have bugs. I'll be the first to admit it. But X Windows is not Linux. Neither is EMACS, Vi, GNOME, KDE, Bash, csh... Get the idea? Good. Back to my point. Linux does have bugs, but they generally aren't major system-destroying bugs. And they're patched fast. You just have to keep things up to date.
As for service packs, as has been said before, they break more than they fix. At least patches for Linux tend to at least move towards stability.
Finally, RedHat 6.1 did have bugs. As I've said, I'm not pretending that Linux is perfect. But, from what I remember, a LOT of those bugs were in programs. Linux != Distro_Programs. Also, RedHat != Linux
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I agree with this, but I think most of these crackers don't even think about this. From what I know, they're doing this to prove how good they are with computers.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I seem to remember something about this from a previous Slashdot story. Didn't a court rule that being required to turn over encryption keys (due to a subpoena or warrent) wasn't self-incrimination? You aren't giving them any information at all. Its roughly equivalent (I believe) to being required to turn over the key to a locked box where a gun you are suspected of using to kill someone is kept, so the gun can be forensically analysed.
That being said, this UK law is still wrong. The police can (if I understand it right) require you to turn over the information without a warrent or subpoena.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Apologies for my post. I do agree that the EFF has (apparently) been using some dumb arguments. I heard that one was: "The encryption was too weak, so its Ok for us to break it." Sounds, IMHO, like something a script kiddie would say.
And, maybe, a clear loss here will get the public to wake up and take notice. Who knows? Especially if one of the "major" operating systems gets its DVD support dropped for some reason or other.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
A DOS attack? I get those all the time... Wait, what's that? Oh, he means Denial Of Service!
Anyway, now that that's out of my system, I have to wonder what the person who did this thought they stood to gain. Taking down Yahoo is sure to attract some attention, and its not going to be the hey-what-a-smart-kid! kind.
Personally, I don't like people who do DoS attacks much at all. They strike me as an immature way to "prove" your "skill" with computers. A better way, IMHO, would be to write some new piece of software that does something new or does something better.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
You're right, Tau Zero. The point a lot of lawyers have been making is that access restriction is either illegal or unconstitutional, I forget which.:P Copyright only restricts redistribution. You can make backup copies of copywritten material all you like, or even translate it into another media as long as you don't redistribute it. At least, that's how I understand things.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Sounds to me like this is a bought judge. A very bought judge. Either that, or a very ignorant one. The kind that takes the things specifically and unequivicoally laid out in the constitution as the only rights or freedoms anyone is entitled to. If this keeps up, I hope software will move somewhere more tech-friendly. Like Canada (right now) or Germany (remember, they did sponsor various GNU encryption projects). -RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Glad to see this. Perhaps, instead of running just a LinuxExpo, a better idea would be an "Alternative OS Expo" or "Open Source OS Expo." I know they don't have quite the same ring, but they'd be more accurate. After all, from what I've seen/heard of it, the OSS movement is about choice. Don't like this bit of software? Use another! Don't like how this feature works? Re-write it! So why limit ourselves to just Linux? I'm sure *BSD is just as "good," and probably provides things Linux doesn't.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I doubt there's ever going to be an ActiveX wrapper of any kind for Mozilla, unless someone who wants it codes it themselves. As far as I know, ActiveX is a proprietary MicroSoft thing. And its not very well designed, either. You'd be better off using Java, since even though that's (right now) a proprietary Sun thing, its hopefully not going to be for long and is better designed.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I agree. If "we" want to come to out of this looking good, we have to play the game. In this case, it means going along with what the judge decides. He says to remove the source for the duration of the trail, we do that. Playing mean won't get us anything. It'll probably just get the judge angry at us, and let the DVD CCA win.
So instead of spreading the source all over the net in defiance of the court ruling, try something different. Contribute to the EFF (I think that's the TLA). Read up on the relevant material and suggest strategies. Do things like that.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Well, I've tried this on my system, following the instructions in C:\Windows\hosts.sam. Didn't affect Netscape at all, even though ping and tracert insist that they're being mapped right. Guess Netscape assumes you're too dumb to know how to use a hosts file. Yet another thing that irritates me about Windows and Windows products.
As a note, I am pro-alternative-operating systems. I think Linux and *BSD are all very nice alternatives to Windows. Its just that this machine has a lot of Windows-only software.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I was doing a chemistry project on Cubane. Due about a week ago. Could've really used this article back then. Ah, well. Still neat to see. Cubane's got more potential than just explosives. Various derivitives have properties that could be useful in fighting AIDs and cancer or building strong plastics.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
This might be a good place for an idea that (I believe) C++ has been using for quite a while. "Transparent" (I believe that's the word for it) interfaces.
The author creates the config file using whatever format they like. Win.ini style, traditional Unix, whatever. They then create some kind of program (script, whatever) that can be used to write options to the config file. The big huge config program uses the little config program to write the changes to the file. This way, the config file seems to stay the same between versions. And if the interface program was standardized, that would help even more.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Ummm... I think there's a little incorrect point there. I believe the original version was indeed a Windows program, but from what I understand, that was an interm step needed due to the lack of DVD software for anything but Windows. The code extracted was then turned into a Linux version.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
You do make a good point here. Having excellent underlying software (Kernel, drivers, etc) is a Nice Thing, and having it Open-Sourced is Even Better. But features are what makes the world go round. Its no good if you can't do anything with it, and the more you can do, the better.
On the other hand, you have to decide what you want to do and do it well. I don't like browser integration with my windowing system. If I want a file manager, I should use a file manager. If I want a web browser, guess what I should use?
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
You missed one. Their mentor/superior that gives them their missions, gear, provides emotional support, teaches them valuable lessions about life, and generally kicks butt in Quake: Dust Puppy! And, conveniently, he's already available in a stuffed version. Check out the UF Cartoon Homepage for more info!:-D
Also available: Dust Puppy's arch-nemesis, the crowning star in the Evil M$ Legal Team: Crud Puppy!
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
Well, I read the original script back when it was released... a couple of years ago, I believe. I must say that, so far, this new script is much better. It seems to stay true to the book a bit more, although it does add a good deal of action. But I guess you need that for a movie. Also, in the original, Graff was female, which kinda wrecks a lot. In the new one, Anderson is female, which is fine. Anderson's gender was slighty... indeterminate in the book anyway.
I must say that I think Mr. Card has done quite a good job on this so far, and I hope this movie doesn't wind up dying like most decent Sci-Fi ones seem to.
As a slight promotional note, for those interested, there is a MOO (Multi-user, Object-Oriented) based on the Battle School. This is official, to my knowledge, done with Mr. Card's permission. The web page is at www.ansible.org.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I somehow get the feeling that either I'm missing something or you are. I think what was being said was that when a manufacturer is convinced to release Linux drivers, they don't immediately think "hey, what's the best way we can keep this secret?" because they're fairly sure that someone's going to reverse-engineer it anyway. So they give it to someone to code, and that person (in turn) releases the source, which can (hopefully) be used to port the hardware to some other OS, like *BSD, OS/2, BeOS, or whatever.
Of course, its possible that I'm getting this all wrong. In which case, feel free to ignore or correct me.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
I completely agree! I still consider myself to be a Linux newbie, even though I've been using it on and off for about a year and a half or so now. (Haven't managed to keep it on any of the family computers for very long due to other space requirements).
Yes, Linux does have excellent documentation. The howto system, in particular, I found to be excellent. But I wanted something to help with generally learning it, and couldn't really find anything. I've tried two books (not Running Linux, that's next on my list), and neither were quite good enough.
On the other hand, I don't think getting rid of the howto system (or other documentation stuff currently in place) is a good idea. IMHO, this could run into one of the problems with an increasing userbase: keeping things powerful and complex enough for "advanced" users to still like it, but letting new users join in fairly easily.
(Apologies for vagueness/off-topic nature of the preceeding paragraph.)
Just reading the article, but here are some thoughts that strike me...
The price, quantity, and bidding data on its site are unique, eBay says, adding that no other Web site can display this information without eBay's permission.
Hmm.... So, on the strange offchance that some other auction site has the same price and quantity of an item (identical bidding data is too remote to even consider!), they could in theory be sued by E-Bay?
Robots.txt file - If E-Bay doesn't have one, then I don't see how they can complain about search engines indexing their site. If they don't want that to happen, create one.
Finally, E-Bay owning the content on their site. I believe someone mentioned this. But I don't see how they can own some types of content (they own the price $3.99 in relation to item X?), especially that copywritten by other companies, like product names or images. (Note that, to avoid flames, I am not saying copyright is good or bad. Just that it is.)
Standard Note: This is my point of view. I do not pretend to be fully informed on all the issues involved, since IANAL and have gotten all my information from Slashdot comments and a news article.:-) Also note that my examples are just that, examples, and probably have no basis in the real world.
-RickHunter --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star." --Gray council, Babylon 5.
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Please tell me the line in the GPL that says you can't charge money for software under it. As far as I can remember, the major selling point for getting corporations to use it is that they can sell the software. Of course, they generally have to do it for a good price, otherwise someone will just read the code and write something 90% compatible that will do the job better for a lower price. Probably one of their competitors.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Yes, even though I usually don't agree with Katz, this is definitely something I've noticed. IMHO, its partially because webmasters tend to focus on one thing in their site and link to related sites. And people tend to browse sites mainly related to their interests. Good article, Jon. Might be a good idea next time round to elaborate on this some more?
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I agree pretty much completely with you. IMHO, open source is the future of the computer industry. But right now, too many companies are thinking that open source will mean their profit margins will go up in smoke.
No, I don't like Transmeta hiding various specifics of their processors. But what does Linus have to do with this? He has to eat, and thus has to keep up a job. And, as you pointed out, managers/executives often don't like the idea of open-sourcing a product, no matter how enthusiastic about it their tech people are. In this case, IMHO, Linus == Tech Person.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I hate to state the obvious here, but its quite stupid for the search to concentrate on California and Oregon, unless the searchers have some really conclusive evidence. If I were doing this kind of thing (and I don't like even contemplating it), I'd be as far away from my "zombies" as possible.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I'm rather sick of people getting moderated up just because (so it seems) they're bashing the "Slashdot psychology." Look, Slashdot is (generally) pro-Linux. If you don't like that, leave. (Yes, I know this is belligerent, but I am quite *****-ed off)
Ok, first, a point I want to make. If you can't make a big program bug-free, what do you do? You chop it up into a bunch of little programs and debug those. Sound programming sense. *n?x does this to some degree, and Windows doesn't.
Second, Linux does have bugs. I'll be the first to admit it. But X Windows is not Linux. Neither is EMACS, Vi, GNOME, KDE, Bash, csh... Get the idea? Good. Back to my point. Linux does have bugs, but they generally aren't major system-destroying bugs. And they're patched fast. You just have to keep things up to date.
As for service packs, as has been said before, they break more than they fix. At least patches for Linux tend to at least move towards stability.
Finally, RedHat 6.1 did have bugs. As I've said, I'm not pretending that Linux is perfect. But, from what I remember, a LOT of those bugs were in programs. Linux != Distro_Programs. Also, RedHat != Linux
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I agree with this, but I think most of these crackers don't even think about this. From what I know, they're doing this to prove how good they are with computers.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I seem to remember something about this from a previous Slashdot story. Didn't a court rule that being required to turn over encryption keys (due to a subpoena or warrent) wasn't self-incrimination? You aren't giving them any information at all. Its roughly equivalent (I believe) to being required to turn over the key to a locked box where a gun you are suspected of using to kill someone is kept, so the gun can be forensically analysed.
That being said, this UK law is still wrong. The police can (if I understand it right) require you to turn over the information without a warrent or subpoena.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Apologies for my post. I do agree that the EFF has (apparently) been using some dumb arguments. I heard that one was: "The encryption was too weak, so its Ok for us to break it." Sounds, IMHO, like something a script kiddie would say.
And, maybe, a clear loss here will get the public to wake up and take notice. Who knows? Especially if one of the "major" operating systems gets its DVD support dropped for some reason or other.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
A DOS attack? I get those all the time... Wait, what's that? Oh, he means Denial Of Service!
Anyway, now that that's out of my system, I have to wonder what the person who did this thought they stood to gain. Taking down Yahoo is sure to attract some attention, and its not going to be the hey-what-a-smart-kid! kind.
Personally, I don't like people who do DoS attacks much at all. They strike me as an immature way to "prove" your "skill" with computers. A better way, IMHO, would be to write some new piece of software that does something new or does something better.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
You're right, Tau Zero. The point a lot of lawyers have been making is that access restriction is either illegal or unconstitutional, I forget which. :P Copyright only restricts redistribution. You can make backup copies of copywritten material all you like, or even translate it into another media as long as you don't redistribute it. At least, that's how I understand things.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Sounds to me like this is a bought judge. A very bought judge. Either that, or a very ignorant one. The kind that takes the things specifically and unequivicoally laid out in the constitution as the only rights or freedoms anyone is entitled to. If this keeps up, I hope software will move somewhere more tech-friendly. Like Canada (right now) or Germany (remember, they did sponsor various GNU encryption projects).
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Glad to see this. Perhaps, instead of running just a LinuxExpo, a better idea would be an "Alternative OS Expo" or "Open Source OS Expo." I know they don't have quite the same ring, but they'd be more accurate. After all, from what I've seen/heard of it, the OSS movement is about choice. Don't like this bit of software? Use another! Don't like how this feature works? Re-write it! So why limit ourselves to just Linux? I'm sure *BSD is just as "good," and probably provides things Linux doesn't.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I doubt there's ever going to be an ActiveX wrapper of any kind for Mozilla, unless someone who wants it codes it themselves. As far as I know, ActiveX is a proprietary MicroSoft thing. And its not very well designed, either. You'd be better off using Java, since even though that's (right now) a proprietary Sun thing, its hopefully not going to be for long and is better designed.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I agree. If "we" want to come to out of this looking good, we have to play the game. In this case, it means going along with what the judge decides. He says to remove the source for the duration of the trail, we do that. Playing mean won't get us anything. It'll probably just get the judge angry at us, and let the DVD CCA win.
So instead of spreading the source all over the net in defiance of the court ruling, try something different. Contribute to the EFF (I think that's the TLA). Read up on the relevant material and suggest strategies. Do things like that.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Well, I've tried this on my system, following the instructions in C:\Windows\hosts.sam. Didn't affect Netscape at all, even though ping and tracert insist that they're being mapped right. Guess Netscape assumes you're too dumb to know how to use a hosts file. Yet another thing that irritates me about Windows and Windows products.
As a note, I am pro-alternative-operating systems. I think Linux and *BSD are all very nice alternatives to Windows. Its just that this machine has a lot of Windows-only software.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I was doing a chemistry project on Cubane. Due about a week ago. Could've really used this article back then. Ah, well. Still neat to see. Cubane's got more potential than just explosives. Various derivitives have properties that could be useful in fighting AIDs and cancer or building strong plastics.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
This might be a good place for an idea that (I believe) C++ has been using for quite a while. "Transparent" (I believe that's the word for it) interfaces.
The author creates the config file using whatever format they like. Win .ini style, traditional Unix, whatever. They then create some kind of program (script, whatever) that can be used to write options to the config file. The big huge config program uses the little config program to write the changes to the file. This way, the config file seems to stay the same between versions. And if the interface program was standardized, that would help even more.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Ummm... I think there's a little incorrect point there. I believe the original version was indeed a Windows program, but from what I understand, that was an interm step needed due to the lack of DVD software for anything but Windows. The code extracted was then turned into a Linux version.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
You do make a good point here. Having excellent underlying software (Kernel, drivers, etc) is a Nice Thing, and having it Open-Sourced is Even Better. But features are what makes the world go round. Its no good if you can't do anything with it, and the more you can do, the better.
On the other hand, you have to decide what you want to do and do it well. I don't like browser integration with my windowing system. If I want a file manager, I should use a file manager. If I want a web browser, guess what I should use?
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
You missed one. Their mentor/superior that gives them their missions, gear, provides emotional support, teaches them valuable lessions about life, and generally kicks butt in Quake: Dust Puppy! And, conveniently, he's already available in a stuffed version. Check out the UF Cartoon Homepage for more info! :-D
Also available: Dust Puppy's arch-nemesis, the crowning star in the Evil M$ Legal Team: Crud Puppy!
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Well, I read the original script back when it was released... a couple of years ago, I believe. I must say that, so far, this new script is much better. It seems to stay true to the book a bit more, although it does add a good deal of action. But I guess you need that for a movie. Also, in the original, Graff was female, which kinda wrecks a lot. In the new one, Anderson is female, which is fine. Anderson's gender was slighty... indeterminate in the book anyway.
I must say that I think Mr. Card has done quite a good job on this so far, and I hope this movie doesn't wind up dying like most decent Sci-Fi ones seem to.
As a slight promotional note, for those interested, there is a MOO (Multi-user, Object-Oriented) based on the Battle School. This is official, to my knowledge, done with Mr. Card's permission. The web page is at www.ansible.org.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I somehow get the feeling that either I'm missing something or you are. I think what was being said was that when a manufacturer is convinced to release Linux drivers, they don't immediately think "hey, what's the best way we can keep this secret?" because they're fairly sure that someone's going to reverse-engineer it anyway. So they give it to someone to code, and that person (in turn) releases the source, which can (hopefully) be used to port the hardware to some other OS, like *BSD, OS/2, BeOS, or whatever.
Of course, its possible that I'm getting this all wrong. In which case, feel free to ignore or correct me.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I believe this has been addressed up above. To my understanding, the Windows program was an intermediate step.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
I completely agree! I still consider myself to be a Linux newbie, even though I've been using it on and off for about a year and a half or so now. (Haven't managed to keep it on any of the family computers for very long due to other space requirements).
Yes, Linux does have excellent documentation. The howto system, in particular, I found to be excellent. But I wanted something to help with generally learning it, and couldn't really find anything. I've tried two books (not Running Linux, that's next on my list), and neither were quite good enough.
On the other hand, I don't think getting rid of the howto system (or other documentation stuff currently in place) is a good idea. IMHO, this could run into one of the problems with an increasing userbase: keeping things powerful and complex enough for "advanced" users to still like it, but letting new users join in fairly easily.
(Apologies for vagueness/off-topic nature of the preceeding paragraph.)
The Linux documentation project's guides are quite helpful, but the user guide is really out of date.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.
Just reading the article, but here are some thoughts that strike me...
The price, quantity, and bidding data on its site are unique, eBay says, adding that no other Web site can display this information without eBay's permission.
Hmm.... So, on the strange offchance that some other auction site has the same price and quantity of an item (identical bidding data is too remote to even consider!), they could in theory be sued by E-Bay?
Robots.txt file - If E-Bay doesn't have one, then I don't see how they can complain about search engines indexing their site. If they don't want that to happen, create one.
Finally, E-Bay owning the content on their site. I believe someone mentioned this. But I don't see how they can own some types of content (they own the price $3.99 in relation to item X?), especially that copywritten by other companies, like product names or images. (Note that, to avoid flames, I am not saying copyright is good or bad. Just that it is.)
Standard Note: This is my point of view. I do not pretend to be fully informed on all the issues involved, since IANAL and have gotten all my information from Slashdot comments and a news article. :-) Also note that my examples are just that, examples, and probably have no basis in the real world.
-RickHunter
--"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
--Gray council, Babylon 5.