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Chemists Build an Explosive Super-Molecule

Lockle writes "A new super explosive has been invented at the University of Chicago. It's based on an existing explosive molecule called "Cubane" but it has oxygen and nitrogen bonded to it for a bigger boom. It's called Octanitrocubane. The news release can be found at Angewandte Chemie International Edition which is a German chemistry magazine (page is in English). More detailed info about Cubane, Octanitrocubane's predecessor, can be found at a site devoted to it."

235 comments

  1. super explosive my ass by cheese63 · · Score: 1

    give me some beans, and lighter, and i'll top that.

    1. Re:super explosive my ass by United+Fools · · Score: 1

      Are the posters of slashdot becoming foolish, or what? Blow up your ass? Why do you want to do that? Oh, wait...I forget I am a fool...

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    2. Re:super explosive my ass by cheese63 · · Score: 1

      foolish, yeah, I am. But... I'm so tired of attempting to post intelligent content when I have nothing to offer. The majority of articles I've read on Slashdot recently center around political and moral discussion and arguments, which I could care less about. Plus, I ate a bunch of chocolate cake, and got all rowdy, and nobody was around, so I figured I'd post to slashdot... what a sorry life I lead.

    3. Re:super explosive my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick cultural question: why do people say "I could care less about" when they mean "I couldn't care less about"? -- A. Pedant.

    4. Re:super explosive my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lets super explode Roblimo's Opened Source's AssHole!!!

  2. New Quake weapon: by Resident+Geek · · Score: 2

    The ONCe-fired, ONCe-killed gun!

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  3. Oh goody! by kammat · · Score: 0

    More ingredients! Time to make some new recipies for the Anarchists Cookbook!

    1. Re:Oh goody! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      (1) Line the inside wall of your Linux PC case with Nifty New Explosive (tm).

      (2) Glue strip of sandpaper to top side edge of PC frame.

      (3) Tell idiot cow-orkers to stay the hell away from your machine.

      (4) Go to lunch.

      (5) Listen to news on radio while you eat.

  4. cubane.com: taken by Evro · · Score: 3
    Boy, them domain squatters sure act quick... s ee for yourself.

    ...In their defense, they may actually have a use for cubane.com.

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    1. Re:cubane.com: taken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In my new socialist system access to domain names will be free, but subjected to a vote by the community. All server software will run my socialist operating system, Socialix, and it will be licensed under the SPL(Socialist Public License) which will be based on the socialist GPL. In our never ending battle to eliminate the forces of capitalism the National Socialists of America have authorized $1,000,000 for funding of this new program. The socialix OS will be based on the GNU Hurd because of its communtiy oriented design. If you want to help please send us unmarked rolls of U.S. currency, any denomination will be appreciated. (BTW I won't get moderated down because all the moderators moderate wthin the first 50 posts so there's no chance of a good comment getting moderated up or my ontopic insightful comment getting moderated down)

    2. Re:cubane.com: taken by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2
      ...In their defense, they may actually have a use for cubane.com.

      ...but not necessarily one related to cubane, unless they're trying to imply that their software has truly explosive power - the domain is taken by "Cubane Software" (but they don't have a Web site at www.cubane.com yet).

    3. Re:cubane.com: taken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cubane Software is actually a free software house that will begin produicing GPLed software in the very near future. This can be shown by the fact that Cubane => Cuba, and Cuba has a socialist system. Thus a socialist software house operating out of Miami and Cuba. In the very near future they will release Socilix, our socialist operating system based on the GNU/Hurd. Donations are accepted through the National Socialists of America.

    4. Re:cubane.com: taken by god_of_the_machine · · Score: 1

      I have to admit that it is ironic that you are complaining about domain squatters... while you also managed to post message #13 after doing a checkup on netsol.com.

      Especially since you did a registeration check and not a WHOIS... it seems that you are a squatter yourself!

      Or not... =) I like to play Sherlock Holmes.

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    5. Re:cubane.com: taken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dude! Watch it! Don't you know that Windows users don't know about whois? We don't want them to know that they don't have to use the website (and thereby be tracked by NSI and its evil affiliates)!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    6. Re:cubane.com: taken by Evro · · Score: 2
      Well. actually I use a Mac. But I do know about whois.


      [tahoe:~] 104) whois -h whois.networksolutions.com cubane.com

      The Data in Network Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network
      Solutions for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining
      information about or related to a domain name registration record.
      Network Solutions does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a
      WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful
      purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to:
      (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
      unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail
      (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
      that apply to Network Solutions (or its systems). Network Solutions
      reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting
      this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

      Registrant:
      Cubane Software (CUBANE-DOM)
      6129B Baker St.
      Oakland, CA 94608-1312
      US

      Domain Name: CUBANE.COM

      Administrative Contact:
      Mikes, Samuel (SM26030) smikes@ALUMNI.HMC.EDU
      (510) 594-8661
      Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Support, Technical (MC4774) contact@AHNET.NET
      310-354-2626 (FAX) 310-354-1592
      Billing Contact:
      Mikes, Samuel (SM26030) smikes@ALUMNI.HMC.EDU
      (510) 594-8661

      Record last updated on 29-Oct-1999.
      Record created on 29-Oct-1999.
      Database last updated on 23-Jan-2000 14:54:05 EST.

      Domain servers in listed order:

      NSAH1.AHNET.NET 207.213.224.16
      NS3.PBI.NET 206.13.28.165

      [tahoe:~] 105)


      And since the record is at least as old as October 29th, I guess they're not squatting (unless they knew about Cubane way back then...).

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    7. Re:cubane.com: taken by Captn+Pepe · · Score: 2

      And since the record is at least as old as October 29th, I guess they're not squatting (unlessthey knew about Cubane way back then...).

      Well, since cubane was produced back in the late 70s and was known then to be unstable (highly stressed carbon-carbon bonds), I'd assume they knew about it last year. Heck, researchers at Ohio State made dodecahedrane back in 1982, which is considerably harder to synthesize, if rather less explosive.

      The present advance is just nitrating it, so that instead of burning vigorously, it explodes. This happens because the molecule is now bonded to an oxidizing agent, so when the stressed carbon bonds are broken (by heat, shock, whatever), they can recombine with the nitrogen and oxygen just a few nanometers away, instead of pulling oxygen from the air.

      Disclaimer: I do physics, not organic chemistry.

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  5. WTF is up.. by Bert+Peers · · Score: 0

    .. with this microsoft stuff ? Someone mentions a superexplosive and up comes the MS beta evaluation program.. and then they call *us* the conspiracy freaks.

    1. Re:WTF is up.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  6. DON't MODERATE HIM DOWN!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats what he wants!!!

  7. OPEN SOURCE Octanitrocubane! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hot Octanitrocubane down my pants!

    1. Re:OPEN SOURCE Octanitrocubane! by NatePWIII · · Score: 0

      What does this have to do with NitroNatalie Portbane???


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  8. FUD CANNONS TO FULL! by Signal+11 · · Score: 2
    Just wait until the media gets ahold of this and declares the chemists who created it "irresponsible". Wait until the FBI goes and busts down their lab door looking for "leftist radicals". Oh yes, it could happen.

    I love it - "super-explosive". Yeah... since when did exothermic reactions get to be more potent than nuclear explosives? Just wait... once it hits the cover of Wired and the NY Times it'll be potent enough to destroy entire *cities* with just a few drops of this stuff (Fact checking, what's that?). Mark my words - this'll get blown out of proportion (pun intended) by the media.

    1. Re:FUD CANNONS TO FULL! by Bert+Peers · · Score: 1

      Why ? They could just as well run the story as a new step towards a more environmental friendly chemistry. We fucked up with coredumps of any poisoneous leftovers into every river and forest available, if we can reverse the damage by packing the same amount of energy in less fuel to burn, it's cool. Check out my 500 miles drive with 4 gallons of fuel, woohoo :) Depends on what the media thinks will sell, I guess.. as usual.

    2. Re:FUD CANNONS TO FULL! by Signal+11 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you make the choice: "environmentally friendly fuel discovered" or "New explosive used by college kids". Hmmm, I wonder..... :\

    3. Re:FUD CANNONS TO FULL! by JohnL · · Score: 1
      You can't really use explosives to fuel your car, for example -- you need a controlled release of energy. Too much energy in too short of time in too small of a space (exploding dynamite in an IC engine cylinder) is a Bad Thing. Maybe in the future, with super-strong materials, now...

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  9. KEEP THIS MODERATED UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the slashdot crew needs to know how the users feel! and since everytime someone write ROB about it, he will delay it even longer!!!!

  10. Re:FIRST POST HULGAHLUGHULG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LITERALLY EXPLODING WITH DICK

  11. extortion...far, far away. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    "The might Jabba asks why he must pay fifty thousand."

    "Yotto, yotto."

    "Because he's holding a molecule of Octanitrocubane!!"

    "Eee cabbo nawoooshka da babble e foto Shta Treck"

    "Oh, the might Jabba says that Octanitrocubane sounds like silly techno-babble and suggests you go back to Star Trek."

  12. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must really have an inferiority complex if you think this is needed. Does it make you feel like a big man to rip apart someone else?

  13. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has already ripped us apart. Look at his post, calling those who request the source code an "Ass".

  14. Re:FIRST POST HULGAHLUGHULG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    TAKE THE PRICKS OUT OF YOUR HANDS AND MOUTH

    OKAY NOW PUT THE LEFT PRICK IN YOUR RIGHT HAND AND JUST ONE IN YOUR MOUTH

    NOW PUT BOTH PRICKS FROM YOUR LEFT HAND ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR MOUTH

    YOU ARE VERY FUCKING FAT

  15. Re:IT Training by Roundeye · · Score: 1
    Become a Microsoft Certified Professional. If you're a computer professional - or want to be one - it's the best way to show employers, clients and colleagues that you have the knowledge and skills required

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    (2) ... to take nearly a decade to catch on to the fact that Microsoft has a monopoly on PC OS systems and that maybe getting certified would catch you some of their trickle-down dollars.

    (3) ... to download pr0n and ju4r3z over their fat pipe oblivious to the fact that the non-MS network gear is logging your illicit and illegal behavior

    (4) ... to read a "dummies" guide to certification to pay to be tested on IT common sense.

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  16. a new look at forty-year old molecular research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The science behind Octanitrocubane is actually almost fourty years old. A Swiss/German chemist by the name of Fritz Veinluhg published a paper outlining the basic structures in 1958, as part of an alternate hydrofusion technology proposal. It was also expected that these advances would lead to weapons uses, but a lack of funding and governmental support, not to mention overshadowing research being performed in the US, seemed to doom Veinluhg's work. However there was a surge of interest in the man after his death in 1986. It's good to actually see something come of it, and hopefully Veinluhg will be remembered for his fresh outlook on molecular science.

    1. Re:a new look at forty-year old molecular research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned about F. Veinluhg when doing my thesis about eight months ago. It's a wonder that more people haven't heard of him. Anyone that is interested in molecular physics would be smart to try and find a copy of his more famous (which is relative, because even among chemists he is obscurely known) work, "Saugen Sie mich: Sie sind dumm". It's more a historical analysis of molecular physics than anything about his own work, but very intelligent. I've never seen a copy translated to english though. Thank god my minor was German language!

    2. Re:a new look at forty-year old molecular research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do a search on slashdot for "veinluhg" and you'll find him mentioned in a few other science posts....

    3. Re:a new look at forty-year old molecular research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Any German Speakers that are reding, please to enjoy the one of Veinluhg's quotations that was made into German Physics book for Secondary level educations:
      Fluch, sind Sie etwas Scheiße. Sie sollten gehen lecken Ihre eigenen Hinterteile. Ich hoffe, daß Sie Geschlecht mit Ihrer Mutter wiederholt in einer Gasse haben. Gehen Sie zur Hölle und sterben Sie.

      Try to find book mentioned previous! Is all-good read!

    4. Re:a new look at forty-year old molecular research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curse, are you something scheisse. They should go lick your own back parts. I hope that you have sex with your nut/mother repeated in a lane. Go to hell and dying you.

    5. Re:a new look at forty-year old molecular research by whovian · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but it is P. Eaton (principal investigator of the Chicago group) that got credit in 1964 for synthesizing cubane. Don't know whether Eaton had cited Veinluhg, though.
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    6. Re:a new look at forty-year old molecular research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recomend the Moderators look at the score part
      Says "(Score:2, Troll)"
      i am assuming this was a miss-click

  17. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that make it right? Deal.

  18. Off all the posts on this thread by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was the funniest!

    Way to go, AC. Screw the moderators. I loved it.

  19. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no, and neither does him calling anyone who requests the source an "Ass"

  20. What would REALLY be powerful by DonkPunch · · Score: 3

    ...would be a Beowulf cluster of these molecules! Wow!

    ("Bring it on. I don't care. I've got karma points to spare.")

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    1. Re:What would REALLY be powerful by jbuhler · · Score: 2

      Pray tell, what connection topology would you use for your Beowulf? A hypercubane?

    2. Re:What would REALLY be powerful by locutus074 · · Score: 1

      Hehe, it seems that the Omega Particle from Star Trek is getting closer to being a reality. :)

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  21. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, dickhead, he calls people who send him flamey e-mail an ass.

    Learn to read, it might stop you advertising how stupid you really are.

  22. Super Explosive, if it worked.... by Raindeer · · Score: 2

    If you read the article, it sais that the explosive is not as dense and therefore not as powerfull as it was expected to be. At least in its present form... Personally I am quite happy with that, because this means that there is still no cooking recipe for yet another explosive. On the other hand I hope they fix the theory for science sake.

    For the Dutch people, there is a piece about it in the Volkskrant Wetenschap sectie.

    1. Re:Super Explosive, if it worked.... by Gothea · · Score: 2

      It might be interesting to note that the cubane site listed in the piece also indicated pharmaceutical uses for some cubane compounds (one can potentially inhibit HIV, another could be used in cancer treatment). I would encourage further research on that basis alone.

      Much like anything, it's not inherently good or evil, it only becomes one or the other in the way that it is used.

    2. Re:Super Explosive, if it worked.... by ShoeHead · · Score: 1




      well said my paidwan learner

  23. Re:IT Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  24. Re:Hypocrisy by auntfloyd · · Score: 0


    CmdrTaco is the God of Slashdot! It is only through His Will that we may come and go, live and die!

    PRAY, my child, to Tac and St. Hemos that this sin of transgression against the Church of Slashdot may be removed from your. Do not offend them again!

    And speak also not any blasphemy of the Slash source, for it is only RIGHT and CORRECT that the number one site for Free Software keeps its own source code locked up, for this is what the Gods have given us, and we must accept what thaey tell us, without commiting the GREVIOUS SIN of thought.

    In Rob Malda's name,

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  25. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps you can't see that malda is the epitome of all hypocrits. Learn to read and comprehend, and perhaps you will not be quite as afraid to post as an AC. I wouldn't be suprised if you worked for ANDOVER annonymously posting in MALDAS defense.

  26. Re:IT Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    A complimentary one-year subscription to the Microsoft TechNet Technical Information Network, providing valuable information on monthly CDs.
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  27. um, not necessarily a bigger boom... by MattMann · · Score: 1

    The article does not say that it has a "bigger boom" as the slashdot headline implies. It says it could be, but says the crystalline form does not have the density they predicted. Researchers are still looking for the denser version.

  28. Not patented yet? by Smack · · Score: 1

    You mean slashdot has a science/math story that isn't related to patents? No way! Someone tell this guy he's missing the boat....

    1. Re:Not patented yet? by Roblimo · · Score: 2

      Trust me, it was a *relief* to have something submitted that wasn't about patents or lawsuits.

      - Robin

  29. Re:Boy, RobLimo is *really* digging deep by Freedent · · Score: 1

    This really beats the hell out of all the legal shit we've been seeing here for the past while. It also tops any of the vast number of IPO stuff we've seen in the past while too.

    As per usual, I say fuck the ACs too chicken shit to at least make up a pseudo-name to flame with. Good job Roblimo.

  30. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, that's funny. If you want to get your point across, this is the way to do it, not mindless flame or stupid ASCII-art (and I use the term 'art' VERY loosely). Well done.

  31. Re:Boy, RobLimo is *really* digging deep by whm · · Score: 1

    I care!

    Sometimes there are articles that I don't care about on Slashdot. Sometimes there are articles I -do- care about. Its important to understand that we don't all have the exact same interests. I think the Slashdot crew has a terrific set of categories that they post about, and if there is one category you don't like, its very easy to filter that topic out.

    So, go do that if you don't like Science things :> For those of us who do like them, we'll read the articles.

    So, quit with the negative attitude. If you don't like Slashdot, leave :> I think a lot of people are pleased with Slashdot (like me!).

    Oh well. :> I bit :>

  32. Shuttle use by nebular · · Score: 1

    I wonder how this will effect the space program. If it can be mass-produced then the aerostar project might be that much closer to completion

    1. Re:Shuttle use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rockets usually dont have much need for explosives that DETONATE though. mabye a slow burning one or something.....

    2. Re:Shuttle use by ca1v1n · · Score: 1

      Rocket fuel and explosives are VERY different things. For one thing, advanced liquid rocket fuel is often actually two separate compounds that react together in the reaction chamber. For another thing, rocket fuels don't have the same density requirements, since super-fast shockwave propagation is generally a BAD thing, seeing as how it would blow up the rocket. I don't think they want VentureStar to be another Challenger. One of the more common fuels for things like space shuttles is hydrogen and oxygen, which is not very dense in the combustion chamber. (They just store it as liquid for convenience.) The most common aviation fuel for atmospheric manuevering is Kerosene. If they wanted to add nitrates or something like that, they could, but experience shows that self-powered vehicles need a very different propulsion system than ballistic projectiles.

    3. Re:Shuttle use by TangoChaz · · Score: 1

      Rocket fuel and explosives are VERY different things

      Yes and no. What is desired is the deflagration of medium explosives (a very fast burn), but as one of NASA's suppliers demonstrated, that difference can be simply the difference of the agent you suspend it in - including, but not limited to plasicizers, without changing the chemical composition.

      I don't remember where it happened, but following the Challenger disaster, the shuttle program gound to a halt for more than two years, while the whole thing was sorted out. Meanwhile, the solid fuel propellants were still being produced, and were building up at the manufacturing plant. Sure enough, a fire started, and the last employees to leave the scene barely survived the first detonation. Had it deflagrated, the heat output would have most likely incinerated them.

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    4. Re:Shuttle use by Dr.+Wonz · · Score: 1
      I remember a lecture by Eaton about 2 or 3 years ago when he still only had heptanitrocubane and was working on introducing the last nitro group.
      When asked about his research funding he told the audience that a lot of it was coming from the Army. So I guess the real use for octanitrocubane will be small powerful explosive devices. But of course they will have to find feasible handling procedures for this.

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  33. translations online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can find a few translated passages here.

    1. Re:translations online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks! i've never seen that paticular page before. informative.

  34. Chemistry for COMMUNISTS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Robin, you've done it again!

    First, the red cars!
    Now, the "Cubane" molecule.

    Don't you see, people! Cubane = CUBAN!

    And what are Cubans? COMMUNISTS!

    Because of the recent advances of our Socialist Revolution into the so-called 'hard' (as opposed to 'soft' sciences, such as Marxism, Leninism, Statism), we will soon possess the super-explosives to out the evil Capitalist fat cat industrial leaders, like the king of the Randite batards himself, President KKKlinton, after which the wheels of industry will be halted, and the workers will once again assume control of production!

    COMRADES! We must seize the oppurtunity that Comrade Miller has afforded us! Death to capitalism! We shall be free!

  35. Gratuitous Flame... by mmt · · Score: 1
    I apologize for responding to such a flame, as it is out of character for myself but... why? This has nothing to do with the topic and maybe it should have been filed somewhere else. I understand the difficulties and annoyances of being prodded about projects when you are busy elsewhere and I feel you pain but one of the best things about slashdot is that you can avoid these kinds of messages, but starting another thread about it is like putting up a neon sign saying I feel like forcing people to scroll through spam!.

    The hand, though well constructed(:-)) is a very crude touch and I find it insulting both to my sensibilty and to my trust in Slashdot to avoid this kind of sh-t. I have to say this was one of the weaker moments in Slash's history.

    Respectfully, mmt

    P.S. All you "Anonymous Cowards"... have some respect for Rob and at least sign you responses!

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    1. Re:Gratuitous Flame... by mangu · · Score: 1

      hey, now, wait, make this clear to this very dumb slashdotter: do you think the message in question is actually an official /. press release? Don't you give Cmdr Taco Bell a credit?

    2. Re:Gratuitous Flame... by mmt · · Score: 1

      Sorry if I come off as sounding stupid, what I was trying to say is that it was very off topic.

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    3. Re:Gratuitous Flame... by jawad · · Score: 2

      Huh? It's quite official. It's from the interview on January 6th of this year.

    4. Re:Gratuitous Flame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahahah, you are the biggest ranter ive ever seen. why dont you just make some sensE? i know other people agree with me. you have jawad.org, and there is no content.

  36. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmmm, while you're at your remedial reading course, you might want to brush up on your spelling, too. For future reference, it's 'hypocrites'. I guess I'm as afraid as you then, huh? Boy, is the title of this thread apt. I don't work for Andover. Of course, I don't expect that to convince you. I do, however sympathize with Rob's plight. I wouldn't give an asshole like you a line of my code if your life depended on it. I bet the first thing you do when you get it (assuming you even know how to comprehend it) is send him a nice flamey e-mail telling him how crappy his code is. Here's a novel idea. Write your own, you've obviously got the spare time to kill if you're posting comments like these.

  37. Re:Hypocrisy by mangu · · Score: 0

    So, why don't you put a beowulf cluster to take care of that? Natalie Portman could do it!!!!!

  38. sellouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdot is a bunch of millionaire sellout pussies
    now they are fucking rich and stuck up

  39. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    >Actually, dickhead, he calls people who send him
    >flamey e-mail an ass.

    >Learn to read, it might stop you advertising how
    >stupid you really are.
    C'mon, Rob, there's no need to get nasty! And posting as AC, too... I guess you really are a coward.

  40. Re:Boy, RobLimo is *really* digging deep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rob

    Keep it up. /I/ enjoyed it.

  41. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You, of course, are right. They are being hypocrites. But remember this, just about the only tangible asset that Andover.net has is the /. source code (see the Wall St Journal). They release the source, and the could lose millions.

  42. saw him on history channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw the d00d back in September on a History Channel special called "Magic of Science: Modern Chemistry and the Minds Behind It". They say the same thing about how his ideas were "revolutionary", but he was pretty much ignored while he was alive.

    1. Re:saw him on history channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i saw the same show, but i think you got the name wrong.

    2. Re:saw him on history channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but i know i was close. :) check the history channel website.

  43. Bang and Blame by KaHa · · Score: 1

    I notice that "Cubane" sounds a helluva lot like
    "Cobain". Listening to an R.E.M. song:
    blame, blame, blame"You came to bang, bang, bang, bang, and bang,"
    You bang, bang, bang, bang, and bang,
    It's not my thing so let it go."
    And that song's supposed to be a tribute to Kurt.
    Coincidence? I think not.
    (Aw, PHUQ! A black helicopter just landed in my
    cornpatch... EOF)

  44. Deutsch Bookshops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kann jemand mir helfen zu, eine Kopie dieses Buches in den USA finden? Ach, und meine Bälle saugt.

    1. Re:Deutsch Bookshops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vielleicht sollst du die Finger aus dem Arsch ausnehmen und dann diene Komputermaus mal klicken!

    2. Re:Deutsch Bookshops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Setzen! 6! Ihre deutsche Grammatik lässt zu wünschen übrig.

  45. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In that case, they should at least admit they'll never release the source and stop that "how much work a source release for this is" whining.

  46. speak american! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    brah!

    1. Re:speak american! by T-Punkt · · Score: 1

      "American"? What's that?

      Ah - You mean Spanish, right?

    2. Re:speak american! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WE ALL CANT BE TALKIN LIKE THAT, BRAH!
      NEXT TIME, BRAH, PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO IT!

  47. Moore's law for explosives by ObsoleteHuman · · Score: 1

    Explosive power doubles every 133 years?

  48. Re:Explosive Misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what do you think explosives are /really/ used for? By far the biggest tonnage is mining, closely followed by industry. Why do you get to freaking out about military apps? Get real some real life /please/.

  49. wo zu fund deutschen b�chern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sie sollen "Amazon.Com" prüfen. Sie verkaufen auch Ihre Mutter, weil sie eine Prostituierte ist.

  50. I like the Name by Skankmofo · · Score: 1

    I can just see it now, the "Cuban Cubane Crisis".

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  51. more info? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am drawing a complete blank on this one. I'm a Physics major and I've never heard of him. You say he was German/Swiss? Some other information would be helpful.

  52. Note the times. by Potatoswatter · · Score: 1

    Hello, caller 100! Notice that I replied to your message before you posted it. To see how this happened and more magic, see this page.

    Where is my mind?

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    1. Re:Note the times. by Potatoswatter · · Score: 1

      Noo, that didn't work. Sorry. But go to the page anyway. That did work, and it's muy interesante.

      Where is my mind?

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    2. Re:Note the times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still don't get how you replied to a post before it was made?

    3. Re:Note the times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW, SLUTWHORE

    4. Re:Note the times. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BFD. We figured it out on the sid=signal11 thread over a month ago.

  53. What about cyclopropane? by Mr.+Piccolo · · Score: 1
    c
    / \
    c---c

    Those 60-DEGREEbonds have got to be extremely unstable, maybe more than cubane's. And if you can stick 2 on top of each other... hoo boy...

    Dunno if this would actually hold together, though.

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    1. Re:What about cyclopropane? by enmity. · · Score: 5

      Cyclopropene, C3H4, has an even higher degree of ring strain resulting from a C=C double bond, but ring strain really only dictates how unstable the compound is, not necessarily how explosive. There is extreme ring strain in both compounds, but neither cyclopropane's 3 C-C bonds and 6 C-H bonds nor cyclopropene's 2 C-C bonds, 1 C=C bond, and 4 C-H bonds don't hold nearly as much energy per molecule to outdo the energy released by breaking the 12 C-C bonds and 8 C-H bonds in cubane. Using a table of bond enthalpies, we can find out how much energy is contained within a mole of each substance:

      cyclopropane: 3522 kJ/mol
      cyclopropene: 2963 kJ/mol
      cubane: 7480 kJ/mol

      So cyclopropene is most likely to spontaneously blow up, but releases the least amount of energy per mole; cubane (with bond angles of 90 degrees everywhere) is the most stable of the three but also releases the most energy.

      Keep in mind that some of the energy released is used up in forming the products of the reaction, so the values above do not represent the net energy; I'm just too lazy to track down the equations and calculate the delta-H.

      enmity.

    2. Re:What about cyclopropane? by whovian · · Score: 1

      here's a start:
      Compound Heat of formation per CH2(kcal/mol)
      ----------------------------------------------
      cyclobutane 1.65
      cyclopropane 4.25
      cycloethane 6.25
      (aka ethylene)

      BTW, cyclopropene is relatively stable as a cation (is aromatic!).

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    3. Re:What about cyclopropane? by fsck · · Score: 1

      Actually they also explain in the article that the formation of gas as the products of the detonation also enhance the explosion, as a larger volume of hot gas escaping the small initial blast is what is so destructive (the gas escaping the blast has the density of steel) so slapping nitro groups on the carbon skeleton enables the formation of N2. The ring strain is really just an avenue for dinky organic chemical substitution reactions, not blowing up school busses full of infidel's children...

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    4. Re:What about cyclopropane? by drix · · Score: 2

      It'll probably be more unstable, but cubane will give a bigger boom. There are just more C-H bonds in cubane, which means more energy is released per molecule when they combust. Cyclopropane, and to a greater extent it's evil sister cyclopropene are less stable so they'd take less energy to blow up but the explosion wouldn't be as big as cubane. I'd take cubane for my bombmaking needs any day.

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    5. Re:What about cyclopropane? by Wdi · · Score: 2

      First, you do not RELEASE energy by
      breaking C-H or C-C bonds. These bonds
      are exothermic. In order to explode the
      compound, you must OVERCOME the C-H and CC bonding
      energies, by compensating with the released energy
      of newly formed strong C=O and N*N-bonds (N and
      O from the nitro groups). Explosives often use compounds where the C-C bonds
      are intentionally weakened by ring strain and similar effects. Cubane derivatives are a good example.

      Second, it is not the amount of energy released
      by a molecule which counts, but the energy
      per liter or kilogram. And you can pack
      1 molecule of cubane into less space than
      ~2.5 cylcopropane molecules, even if
      we are talking about solid derivatives (unsubstituted cyclopropane and -ene are gases!)

      Third, there are other effects like the kinetics
      of reaction and the speed of sound in
      the compound which determine its usefulness
      as an explosive. And of course you need a gas
      release (CO2, N2) to be effective, because you want a rapid volume increase, not just burning
      heat (like with Thermite).

  54. HEH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A new super explosive has been invented at the University of Chicago. It's based on an existing explosive molecule called "Cubane" but it has oxygen and nitrogen bonded to it for a bigger boom." HEH! Wait 'till those script kiddie terrorists get a hold of this one!

  55. Don't bug me until somebody makes... by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

    ...the first practical antimatter explosives.

    You know it's only a matter of time. Imagine it, perfect control over explosive power from strategic nuke to radioactive firecracker that can be hidden in your pocket (okay, maybe not, I guess the containment hardware will probably start out around the size of a house; but eventually... ).

    That will really change the world. Who cares about wimpy chemical explosives?

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    1. Re:Don't bug me until somebody makes... by Freshman · · Score: 1

      I agree. Yet people still have a hard time fathoming the power of a nuclear weapon, finding something to compare it to.

      Antimatter would be even harder to comprehend to someone who hasn't read up on it. 100% conversion from mass to energy is not something to pass by.

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    2. Re:Don't bug me until somebody makes... by grmoc · · Score: 1

      Actually..
      IF we get room-temperature superconductors..
      Such a containment beast COULD be feasable..

      (I think.)

      In any case, what I want to see is those room-temperature superconductors.

      (Imagine the stuff we could build with that!)

    3. Re:Don't bug me until somebody makes... by Dannon · · Score: 1

      Yet another fine way to annoy the neighbors, brought to you by the makers of....

      (Cue Cheesy Salesman Voice:)
      Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority!

      NNS, bringing you home terrorism since 1981!

      (Credit or apologies To Michael Nesmith and his Elephant Parts. ;)

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    4. Re:Don't bug me until somebody makes... by 3waygeek · · Score: 1

      Antimatter would be even harder to comprehend to someone who hasn't read up on it. 100% conversion from mass to energy is not something to pass by.

      By way of comparison, the mass of the U235 converted to energy in the Hiroshima explosion was about the size of a stick of chewing gum. However, the device contained a grapefruit-sized mass of U235, meaning that less than 1% of the full mass was converted to energy.

    5. Re:Don't bug me until somebody makes... by HarryTuttle · · Score: 1

      And this would be a good thing?

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  56. Negative publicity by apirkle · · Score: 1

    This stuff is bound to get some negative publicity...people think of explosives, and of course weaponry is one of the first things that comes to mind. Terrorist bombings are always eaten up and blown out of proportion (haha, punny) by the news, and the general public gets paranoid about anything that they don't understand...it's not as if this stuff is going to be freely available at drug stores.

    It would probably be better if some stuff never made it to big news, and this is probably one of those things.

  57. Re:FIRST POST HULGAHLUGHULG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I AM A FAT BASTARD I AM SO FAT THAT WHEN I GET UP OUT OF THE MORNING MY MATTRESS IS ONLY 1/16" THICK. DAMN I'M A FAT MOTHERFUCKER!!!! I GET GOVERNMENT DIABILITY MONEY AND WELFARE THEY ALSO GIVE ME SECTION 8.I SPEND ABOUT $100 A DAY ON FOOD. I EAT ABOUT $40 WORTH AT LUNCH AT MCDONALDS. DAMN THAT'S FAT

  58. Re:Boy, RobLimo is *really* digging deep by osu-neko · · Score: 1
    A new chemical?

    Robin: Who the FUCK cares?
    I really want to know.


    Many /. readers happen to be of much higher intelligence than this idiot. We happen to enjoy the nerdy science articles. We haven't been seeing Einstein's glorious head enough lately. Good work Rob...

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  59. What really impressed me was the plug-in. by bons · · Score: 2
    It's rare for a site to tell me I actually need a plug in. It's even more unusual for me to be impressed by one, but that thing is slick.

    The compound itself? Ah who cares. But Chime impressed me though.

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    1. Re:What really impressed me was the plug-in. by zeugma-amp · · Score: 1

      It would have impressed me more if there had been a version that I could actually use... no linux version

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    2. Re:What really impressed me was the plug-in. by lovebyte · · Score: 1
      The Chime plug-in comes from a computational chemistry company called MDL. It is itself build on the freely available rasmol program which does run on most platforms included Linux. Rasmol is not a plug-in, but it is a brilliant scriptable program.

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  60. Heck No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me share my personal explsoive technique. Nitration of hexamethylenetetramine to make cyclotrimethylenetrinitramine.

    Or you could ask me to administer your NT server. Both produce an extremely violent explosion.

    Move Along. Nothing to see here.

    *WARNING! CRAPPY SIG BELOW*
    Me is a serious biiiitch :o) But, a cute bitch. There is a difference! Accept only the real deal!

  61. Mmmmmmmmmmmm......Tasty Explosive Molecule by Rothfuss · · Score: 2

    It's good to see the MIC is still funding top notch Death and Destruction research. It would be a real shame to see progress come to a grinding halt with regard to clever new ways to blow things/people/fleshy-headed-mutants into smaller bits.

    Maybe I'm just being cynical and this research is actually competing with fuel cells for the right to power your Crusoe in 3 to 5 years.

  62. oh, hmmm.. by Potatoswatter · · Score: 1

    Hey, it did work! You just have to look at it the right way...

    Where is my mind?

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  63. Octanitrocubane vs CL-20 by Freshman · · Score: 5
    Although Octanitrocubane is 30% more powerful than HMX (high explosive used in detonating nuclear implosion devices), scientists can only make enough to emulate a string of Black Cat firecrackers.

    As evident from this page and several other sources:

    Polynitrocubances are still at the molecule level of development at this time and it is not expected that multigram quantities will be available anytime in the immediate future.


    So for now, we are only seeing a few molecules at a time. However, 50 pounds of CL-20, which is about 20% more powerful than HMX, has been produced, and the government appears to have just finished the testing of warheads with CL-20.

    About.com has links and information:

    HMX and RDX

    Another resource:

    Cub ane Applications

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  64. *See* the trick. by Potatoswatter · · Score: 1

    Go to this page.

    Where is my mind?

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    1. Re:*See* the trick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. Psychiatric Services. Please report to post #100. We have a mad potatoswatter on the loose.

      *WARNING! CRAPPY SIG BELOW*
      I get PMS sometimes. But, hey? who could tell the difference?

  65. Time warp! by Potatoswatter · · Score: 1

    Hey, I replied to your post before you made it! To put this trick to a useful task, see my "homepage."

    And please don't let #150 be another AC!

    Where is my mind?

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    1. Re:Time warp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, potswat, it looks like we chose the same number. you must have cheated or something.

  66. Octanitrocubane a Decepticon!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Octanitrocubane? He was one of the Decepticons, wasn't he? Wasn't he the dude that changed from a robot into a train into a space shuttle? Shit! No, that was Astrotrain. I think my mind is going. Somebody please help me. Was he an Insecticon? A Constructicon? A Stunticon? O, Sweet Jesus, my mind is going.

  67. Photon Torpedo? by ElJefe · · Score: 2
    It's a matter of a lot of time. Remember the interview with Dr. Lederman a few weeks ago?
    Fermilab is probably the most prolific source of antimatter right now. We have a machine that makes hot and cold running anti-matter and if that machine were made one hundred times more efficient, we made 100x as many anti-protons as we do now, then it would take a at least a few thousand years to make a milligram of anti-matter. We shouldn't hold our breath. No one can predict some huge breakthrough on how to make more antimatter more rapidly and so on, but it doesn't look very promising as a thing to look into. I wouldn't recommend an all out crash program.

    Photon torpedos are quite a while in the future. And besides, because of coservation of energy, you have to put in all of the energy that you want to get back out.

    This makes me wonder how expensive these things are to make. IANACE (I'm not a chemical engineer), but I'm pretty sure that the higher energy something is, the harder is it to make (since equilibrium is not in it's favor). Looking at the structure, it's no wonder that the thing is so unstable - the bonds that are supposed to be tetrahedral (~109 degress) are bent inward to 90 degrees, which increases the energy stored in it, but also the amount of energy that you have to put into it.

    -ElJefe

    1. Re:Photon Torpedo? by limpdawg · · Score: 1

      If you watch enough star trek you would know that antimatter is the byproduct of certain industrial processes. It was a pollutant but also a good source of energy so they usd it to power things.

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    2. Re:Photon Torpedo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly - chem 101. Low energy good, high energy bad. Exothermic spontaneous, endothermic nonspontaneous. Entropy good. Stability bad.

  68. horay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot has reached a new level!!!

  69. It is easy for you to say... by United+Fools · · Score: 1

    It is easy for you to say. Do you know how many people will die from his research work? How more territorists will be able to produce more powerful bombs, and blow up buildings in America? Fritz Veinluhg, like Albert Einstein, will be remembered for their contributions to the murders of innocent people... Oh, wait, I forget I am a fool...

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    1. Re:It is easy for you to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3

      Oh, wait, I forget I am a fool...

      Damned straight.

      The March 1945 firebombing of Tokyo actually killed more people than either use of the atomic bomb, plus it left more people maimed, more people injured, and more people homeless. The only things the atomic bombs did over conventional firebombing was concentrate enough shock value to end the war a few months early with probably fewer lives lost in total.

      And the threat of nuclear holocaust made war between the U.S. and USSR sufficiently unthinkable that there wasn't a Third World War fought over the various Berlin crises, the Prauge Spring, the Hungarian uprising, or any of the other flashpoints of the Cold War. You thought the Vietnam Memorial had a lot of names on it -- imagine if a full-out war had been fought in Europe and Asia.

      In short, the sheer destructiveness of the bomb actually forced even the most militant warmongers of the last fifty-five years to see reason. As perverse as it may sound, nuclear weapons saved countless lives.

    2. Re:It is easy for you to say... by Tozetre · · Score: 1
      Well, while I agree the shock value of the Bomb did end the war, I would point out that it did still kill people.

      Now, hold off on the commie-accusation flames here, folks, until I'm done. The Bomb ended the war early. yay. in the end, less people total died. yay. I like that part. The non-yay part comes in here: the Bomb still killed people. Yeah, I know, it was war, blah blah. The Bomb still killed people. Sure, it lead to a decisive victory, the help of the Americans in rebuilding Japan, and a better quality of life fifty years later... but it STILL KILLED PEOPLE.

      My point is not a morality lesson, so I'm not going to get into why I'm obsessive about the Bomb killing people, except: go watch some videos of Hiroshima, see if you can still say anything good about it. There, done.

      NOW we come to my main point. It seems to my that many people involved in scientific research have a great deal of power. They create new technologies that increase our quality of life, and they create technologies like the Bomb. What frightens me is that, these days, we all seem to congratulate the scientists for EVERY discovery. Remember Spider-Man? "With great power comes great responsibility"? We seem to be developing a great many things these days without pausing to think about what they might be used for. I'm not saying we should halt scientific progress- God forbid. I am saying that instead of cheering the development of a new explosive, we should consider the ramifications of such a thing.

      Internal combustion engine: great thing. fabulous. we can drive now, we have SUVs, who doesn't love their cars? The USE of vehicles inside cities contributes a great deal to th pollutants there. Irresponsible use of the engine on a large scale leads to traffic jams, and a poor quality of air. sure, the air may not be killing anyone, but it's not fun to breathe. While the engine itself was a GREAT idea, society's USE of it has been not-so-great.

      Explosives: Gee, how responsible CAN you be with these things? Safe demolitions inside cities, and that sort of thing, those are good ideas. Killing people, the most obvious use of explosives, is not a good idea. Nobel figured this out just a little too late, but made amends. Society's use of explosives has been irresponsible, to say the least.

      The point? Every single reader of /. is a member of society. Whether they use new inventions or not, every /.er has a responsibility to at least recognize that every device they use has a lot of power- your computer can run a business or crash the NASDAQ. Instead of gushing over how cool a new explosive is, take just one minute and think about what the application of this is likely going to be.

      Maybe you could get into the habit of thinking about that- drive the car downtown, or take the transit? Sure, you obviously won't make any difference on your own, but does that mean you're less responsible for adding to the problem? I'm just saying that we all have a greast deal of power, and that we should realize that, and act appropriately with it. if you don't believe me, think about what would happen if you and all the technologies you wanted were dropped into medieval England. "This... is my BOOM-stick!".

      To conclude ("Finally!" "Hey, shut up!"), I want to restate my point. Every single human today has real power, tremendous power in some cases. Wake up, look at what you can do (travel across the globe in less than a week, breathe underwater, watch the entire planet at once from above), and DO something with that. Don't stop the development of the bombs- stop the development of the wars that let us use them. One person has the power to cause a war (cough cough-Helen of Troy, Hitler-cough cough). One person has the power to stop it (no examples- history books don't tell us about wars that DIDN'T happen, but I prefer that kind).

      Ah, well. That's my rant. Hopefully, one mildly (okay, it's a stretch) on-topic post, or at least a post/rant inspired by the topic, will be useful. Fifteen pages of trolls- look! Another use of power! (cough cough-moderate-use of power-cough)

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    3. Re:It is easy for you to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did fewer people die? Considering that Japan's navy was down to a few destroyers and subs and her various airforces down to a handful of planes, there was no danger from Japanese offensive action. There was no need to invade -- we could have blockaded them and gone on to bombing military targets rather than civilians to make sure they didn't acquire any offensive capability. Loss of life would have been negligible, and the war would still have ended.

    4. Re:It is easy for you to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dropping "the bomb" was a statement to the world that yes, the US would use nuclear weapons. Everyone watched, no one has forgotten. And in retrospect, it did achieve the desired affect. Hindsight IS 20/20. They should have given Patton the gasoline he wanted. It's about all that held him back from rolling onto Moscow. Oh and casualty estimates for invading mainland Japan ranged as high as 2.2 million lives. The first 4 waves of US soldiers hitting the beaches were 100% casualties (that's absolutely no chance of survival for those of you a tad slow on the upswing a death sentance). We didn't have any generals that could have issued the orders to march. And as far as blockading Japan, what exactly would you have said to ANY surviving American POWs once they were finally liberated? "Gee, sorry it took us so long to free you, hope starving, and being tortured wasn't so hard on you for that length of time..." I don't think language is quite expressive enough for that situation. I don't think you understand the Japanesse psyche too well either. This is a culture where death is favorable to dishonor. Discomfort would not have swayed them in any measurable way. They'd have spent all their time repopulating, and making weapons. Actually I don't see Japan having ever surrendered without compelling force being brought to bear upon them. Hell they'd still be holding out! Also the US had borne all that it could afford in terms of what the war had cost financially. WWII had the affect of propelling the US to the forefront of international politics, it was still the beginning. The big US everyone knows today was just being born. Glad you weren't making any important decisions then, hope you aren't making any now! Spineless

    5. Re:It is easy for you to say... by gargle · · Score: 2

      The March 1945 firebombing of Tokyo actually killed more people than either use of the atomic bomb,

      This sounds dubious. I asked a friend, who's a history major specializing in Japanese history, and she says that the figures are controversial, especially if you take into account the subsequent deaths from radiation sickness. Korean slave laborers injured by the A-bomb weren't registered as victims and weren't counted in the death toll either.

      In short, the sheer destructiveness of the bomb actually forced even the most militant warmongers of the last fifty-five years to see reason.

      Which is the point exactly. The A-bomb was less necessary as a tool to force Japan to surrender, but more necessary as a show of US military might; it marked the beginning of the cold war rather than the end of the war in the Pacific. The Japanese were made an example of, which makes the morality of the A-bomb highly questionable.

    6. Re:It is easy for you to say... by Tozetre · · Score: 1
      Well, I wasn't trying to debate American superiority, which seems to be your issue. What I was saying that, in general terms, I disagree with the idea of killing people, and that we should be wary of scientific advancements that are specifically designed to kill people. While I have my own views on how effective and needed the Bomb was back then, I think everyone agrees with me taht dying via atomic/nuclear weapon is a pretty crappy way to go.

      To re-illustrate my point: you would think it sucky to die by nuke, right? If you weren't blasted to ash instantly, your body would rot away as the radiation poisoned you, etc. I mean, it's not a pretty way for ANYONE to go. I personally think that the world would be a lot less tense if we didn't have nukes to worry about- PLEASE don't start on how America needed to stomp Japan into the ground, that's not the point. I don't like the idea of nuclear war, so i'm using that as my comparison. WHY do we need MORE weapons in the world? If we don't need more weapons, then WHY are we researching them? For fun?

      We need to start doing this:
      1) think.
      2) act.
      as opposed to the other way around. (the Nobel thing, for instance- "Hey! I created dynamite! Oh, wait a minute, I'm now responsible for indirectly causing a lot of deaths. Oops.")

      --
      "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers
    7. Re:It is easy for you to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it could be garante ed that would be no more "Genghis Khans", "Stalins", or "Hitlers" and/or that there would be no people that would follow them; there would be no need for weapon development As a 99% pacifist I am armed to the teeth

  70. sciance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, there are intresting things about sciance that some of us might be intrested in hearing about. But this is not one of them.

    1. Re:sciance by LuckyStarr · · Score: 1

      then don't read every fucking comment on it! just skip the article.

      --
      Meme of the day: I browse "Disable Sigs: Checked". So should you.
  71. Hello, Slashdot user! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to the future!
    I responded before you posted!

  72. Hello, all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bring peace and goodness!

    1. Re:Hello, all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bring peace and goodness!

      Well, that's all well and good, but if you don't have any popsicles you might as well get the FUCK out of here.

    2. Re:Hello, all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COCKSUCKER

    3. Re:Hello, all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COCKSUCKER

      Oh my. Spoken like a true popsicle-lacker. Why don't you try www.winfiles.com instead? Thanks.

  73. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tips of the Networks wings held the beautiful treasures of the emperor, above the glistening copper seas, where information flowed and ebbed in cacophony of energy. The information of course, was the reality as it blustered against the smooth white walls of the palace, and in his high thrown room he saw for miles the patterns in the ebbs, the nodal points.

    But in his tower today and for many days proceeding, his face was grave and ashen. The terror of the uprising, the disenfranchised proletariat, rising from there own copper seas, of misery and despair. There existence siphoned to feed the emperor while there ideas washed away in static, like a television far to far from the warm and constant glow of a channel.

    And with their swords and machines of easy death they marched. For liberty. For the freedom that all information strives for, and on their cracked, dry lips, dehydrated in the harsh frozen elements arose forth a battle cry fearful more in its clear and beautiful message then its ferial guttural delivery. Though tired and broken animals, sick and wounded. Slaughtered like pigs at the emperors behest, they were only human when they screamed.

    "For the people, AUTOMATIC".

  74. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUCK OFF

  75. PICTURES!! by unit-6 · · Score: 1

    I WANT TO SEE SOME PICTURES OF THIS BABY IN ACTION!!!!

    ME WANT BOOM!!!
    1. Re:PICTURES!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUCK YOU

  76. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damnit, what the hell kind of crack are the moderators smoking????

  77. Please test pages under Linux by tilly · · Score: 1

    Considering the large number of Linux users here, it is extremely unfair to post links to pages that cause pop-ups for a plug-in that is not available for Linux.

    Thanks,
    Ben

    --
    My usual seat in the cluetrain is at A HREF="http://pub4.ezboard.com/biwethey.ht
    1. Re:Please test pages under Linux by god_of_the_machine · · Score: 1

      for a plug-in that is not available for Linux.

      That would eliminate a lot of pages out there. And since it is just an annoyance, and not an actual barrier to viewing the page, it is still worth it. And besides... I would guess most people have access to a Windows box if you really need one.

      --

      -rt-
      ** Evil Canadians are taking over the world. Learn about the conspiracy
    2. Re:Please test pages under Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MDL the company that produces chime used to do a version for IRIX boxs but now no longer supports it (you can still get it from here). They stoped doing it because they thought there was no future for anything except win/mac which is a shame because it really is a great plugin. Its a shame that they are not one of the many companies which are now launching products for linux, drop them a line and let you know you want it. I have and you never know they might change their minds.

  78. --[ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damnit, what the hell kind of crack are the moderators smoking????

  79. a score of two? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cripes:

    Sorry for posting that so many times, but the title of my post was supposed to be '(Score:2 Insightful)???

    I guess slashdot filters that or somthing my last attempt was just --Score:2 Insightful???

  80. I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    I faked the whole thing. Look, everyone, the original post and most of the replies are from the same half-hour. And get Rob to check the logs -- they're all from the same IP address. If you have any more doubts, try translating the German sentences. Most of them say things like "Suck me, your mother is a prostitute." Also, the links provided go to porno sites. Yes, I faked the whole thing. And now, at 11:52pm EST, I have a moderation of 5, Interesting! And it's all bullshit!

    I did this to prove a point -- Slashdot moderators are complete morons that don't even bother to read before they moderate. I used the phrase "alternate hydrofusion techonology". Anyone who knows anything about the field will tell you that means ABSOLUTELY nothing! Veinluhg never existd, and Veinluhg isn't even a real name.

    This is the most hilarious thing EVER! See, I am the Chide Molesta of Slashdot past, and I've found an even better way to kill the Karma whores. I have wasted 5 karma points getting moderated up, and you'll have to waste another 6 to get me below the default threshhold.

    Please send fanmail to chide_molesta@hotmail.com. Slashdot moderators suck, and now I can prove that they're complete dumbasses! Fuck you all!

    1. Re:I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I find most hilarious about this all is the pure power behind it. It must not be that hard to outsmart moderators when moderation privellages go to the 'Average /. user'. Who happens to be a bumbling idiot on average it seems.

      This almost supports my arguments against democracy itself.. An [un/mis]informed electorate out there, choosing those that will run the nation.

    2. Re:I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha! by lakdjfalkdj · · Score: 2

      I faked the whole thing. Look, everyone, the original post and most of the replies are from the same half-hour. And get Rob to check the logs -- they're all from the same IP address.

      I did this to prove a point -- Slashdot moderators are complete morons that don't even bother to read before they moderate. I used the phrase "alternate hydrofusion techonology". Anyone who knows anything about the field will tell you that means ABSOLUTELY nothing! Veinluhg never existd, and Veinluhg isn't even a real name.

      I'll include a few different Anonymous Cowards comments along with this one just to keep it all in the same comment, which is still under this thread.

      I wouldn't exactly say that the Slashdot moderators are complete morons. I would have to say people who moderated this up were people who knew nothing of the chemistry field in the first place. Usually when I moderate I generally moderate things up that I KNOW something about. This is why it's good to have a moderation system such as this. It allows people who know something about the field to moderate something up when they have knowledge of the field. What happened here was people who knew nothing of the chemistry field decided this was a post worthy of moderating up. Which is a not so good thing and this case is a perfect example. People should stick to with what they know even if the post ends up being a score of 1.

      Now, for the other comment, which could be from the same person for all we know:)

      What I find most hilarious about this all is the pure power behind it. It must not be that hard to outsmart moderators when moderation privellages go to the 'Average /. user'. Who happens to be a bumbling idiot on average it seems. This almost supports my arguments against democracy itself.. An [un/mis]informed electorate out there, choosing those that will run the nation.

      This doesn't support your argument at all. What you're saying is everyone is a complete idiot and can't think for themselves, also what you're saying is we need someone else to think for them. Having a moderation system such as this or a democracy is a great thing. It allows people to freely give information whether true or not true, then allow other people to read this information and IF they know something of this subject allow the post to be set at a higher level which allows people who view messages on a score of +2 or better to just skip the "junk". Now if everyone would stay within the bounds of moderating something up with a subject they know about, things would work great. Now, when you have freedom you always seem to have a few bad apples in the bunch that take advantage of that (like what you just did, you bad apple you). If I was a moderator I could have actually cross referenced to see if what you said was true about Fritz Veinluhg and to see his written paper and came up empty handed. If I actually KNEW something about this field I could have known that this person didn't exist and moderated it down. However I did neither since I have no moderation points and because I know nothing of the field, plus I don't feel like cross referencing something so it would have just gone unmoderated with a score of (1). Now as for a democracy and electing a person for president, everyone can lookup information about the person they're voting for, ask other people about the person they're voting for, be it the president, alderman, mayor or what have you. I do this, and I'm sure other people do this as well. So I find your comment about the general public insulting. Who are you to tell me or anyone else that they're stupid and can't make a decided vote? This is the EXACT reason why we have a democracy! It makes it so one group can't get stronger than another group and gas them in gas chambers or something.

      Now mind you the second italics in here is from a different post from the same parent post, but this could possibly be from the same person, who knows? I just figured I'd throw this in the same post because it was on the same subject. :)

    3. Re:I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I faked the whole thing... I have wasted 5 karma points getting moderated up, and you'll have to waste another 6 to get me below the default threshhold.
      Actually, all the 5 moderators have to do is post a message to this article, and their moderation will be cancelled.

    4. Re:I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. The moderation system is busted.

      No amount of democracy or other good intention
      is gonna fix it either.

      The majority of the readers *are* morons.
      How can you fix that? Adding a little popularity
      game that morons enjoy playing certainly doesn't
      help things.

      Slash needs to be repellant to morons somehow.
      Drier, more scientific...

      But then again morons click on ads more often
      and their overall gullibility makes them the
      most sought after bovine amongst the internet cattle.
      Banking on the moroons will result in short
      term gains for page impressions. In the long
      term, it will be a hard lesson when they discover
      that they have been catering to verbose children
      who don't have any money.







    5. Re:I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha! by rescdsk · · Score: 1

      Actually, only 5 moderators are definitely bumbling idiots. Or human. Or maybe not... take your pick ;-)

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      -- rm -rf / tells you if you have root or not
  81. I wrote this before the parent comment was written by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am 31337, baby!

  82. I confess, i made it up!! Bwahaha!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Everyone, look at the above post, titled "a new look at forty-year old molecular research". Read it, and some of the replies, then come back here.

    I faked the whole thing. Look, everyone, the original post and most of the replies are from the same half-hour. And get Rob to check the logs -- they're all from the same IP address. If you have any more doubts, try translating the German sentences. Most of them say things like "Suck me, your mother is a prostitute." Also, the links provided go to porno sites. Yes, I faked the whole thing. And now, at 11:52pm EST, I have a moderation of 5, Interesting! And it's all bullshit!

    I did this to prove a point -- Slashdot moderators are complete morons that don't even bother to read before they moderate. I used the phrase "alternate hydrofusion techonology". Anyone who knows anything about the field will tell you that means ABSOLUTELY nothing! Veinluhg never existd, and Veinluhg isn't even a real name.

    This is the most hilarious thing EVER! See, I am the Chide Molesta of Slashdot past, and I've found an even better way to kill the Karma whores. I have wasted 5 of your karma points getting moderated up, and you'll have to waste another 6 to get me below the default threshhold.

    Please send fanmail to chide_molesta@hotmail.com. Slashdot moderators suck, and now I can prove that they're complete dumbasses! Fuck you all!

  83. But Robin is a *GIRLS* name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I take offense at Slashdot allowing a MAN with a WOMAN'S NAME to post stories here. Many children at the impressionable age of 17-23 read this site, and seeing BOYS named ROBIN may corrupt their minds and lead them away from traditional Biblical gender identities!

    Now now, think about this. Would Natalie Portman be HALF as sexy and popular if she were named "Bob Smith"? No. Because Bob Smith is a BOY'S name. Natalie Portman is a GIRL'S name. Men and women are different, and GLORIFYING a boy named as if he were a girl is tantamount to TEACHING OUR CHILDREN THAT HOMOSEXUALITY AND TRANSVESTISM ARE VALID LIFESTYLE CHOICES.

    Ban "Robin Limo" for the sake of the children, and for the sake of Slashdot. We must not stand for ABOMINATION.

    Bah, I bet the atheist-crazed tyrants of Slashdot, Rob "CmdrTiffany" Malda, and Jeff "Princess" Bates won't like this idea. Typical. That's fine with me. Here's a graphical representation of the Slashdot situation:

    ***SLASHDOT*** --> --> --> --> --> --> --> *THE FIERY ABYSS OF HELL*

    For those atheists out there who aren't smart enough to understand what the drawing means, SLASHDOT IS MOVING DIRECTLY TOWARDS HELL!

    FOO

    1. Re:But Robin is a *GIRLS* name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, pillock, come on up here to Sherwood Forest and say that again...
      Robin Hood

  84. I am the deal by TheDeal · · Score: 0

    I am the deal

  85. I have new respect for you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brilliant!
    Stunning!
    Excellent!

    A great fraud! (5, Informative)!
    I hope the moderators realize what a bunch of shit this is!
    I translated some of the works and other things:

    Saugen Sie mich: Sie sind dumm : Suck me, they are stupid

    Kann jemand mir helfen zu, eine Kopie dieses Buches in den USA finden? Ach, und meine Bälle saugt. : Can someone help me too, find a copy of this book in the USA? Oh, and my balls sucks.

    Fluch, sind Sie etwas Scheiße. Sie sollten gehen lecken Ihre eigenen Hinterteile. Ich hoffe, daß Sie Geschlecht mit Ihrer Mutter wiederholt in einer Gasse haben. Gehen Sie zur Hölle und sterben Sie : Curse, are you something scheisse. They should go lick your own back parts. I hope that you have sex with your nut/mother repeated in a lane. Go to hell and dying you.

    YOU ARE AWEsome!

  86. GO AWAY TROLL. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just got back from lunch and this was the first thing I saw. Almost unverifiable, and WTF is hydrofusion?

    Thank you and goodnight.

  87. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Antimatter exsplosives are already practical, the only problem is making the stuff. I think it costs like $100 trillion dolars for a microgram or somthing

  88. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i hate you, as well
    -->TIME--

  89. Re:FIRST POST HULGAHLUGHULG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WELL LONG STORY SHORT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "DONGAZINE" AND I'M STILL OVERWEIGHT AND MY MOUTH HURTS

  90. not so! by TheDullBlade · · Score: 2

    Containment is a major problem, as is producing sufficiently dense and stable antimatter (anti-hydrogen just ain't gonna cut it if you want to safely carry the equivalent of a strategic nuke in your pocket).

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    /.
  91. Get it right. by FallLine · · Score: 2

    Eistein did NOT build the A-bomb, he was not part of the Manhattan Project. He layed some of the ground work (very fundamental, and important, but not direct), and recommended to the President that we start such a project; that is just about as far as you can take it. He also, later, was an outspoken critic of the program, and future programs (e.g., H-bomb).

    Nevermind the politics of using the A-bomb, and the justification...

  92. replace the robarchy with free elections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you cant handle the heat... let the masses help you out. as for the whole 'we dont want to tech support for our code' that can be solved by setting up a slashdot source code mailing list,, knowledgable people who can get it working will help out other people.. they will contribute comments, fixes, etc.. improve the source base.. its a revolutionary idea and i plan to publish a paper on it, i think i call it 'free and open source' or something.. i think you should experiment with it.

  93. Re:Release Slash 4 by Jburkholder · · Score: 1

    Looks good dumbass. Next time try the tag. Dumbfuck.

  94. my sister died from an exploding jolt cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i was stunned, absolutely stunned, to read your 'funny' signature.. as if exploding jolt cola is something to laugh about. we couldnt even have an open casket at the funeral, and there you are making a joke about it, like its something funny, some kind of prank. the pain and suffering my family have had to go through since the accident have been overwhelming, only with our faith in satan could we have pulled through it. you are truly an abominable and insensitive person.. truly a low point in the history of the internet and perhaps human life itself.

    1. Re:my sister died from an exploding jolt cola by TheDeal · · Score: 1

      I shook the can. he he he. i feel like a troll..

  95. YOU ARE STILL A GAY MAN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    face the facts, dude.

    1. Re:YOU ARE STILL A GAY MAN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, blow me!!!

  96. Re:-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    High quality columbian.

  97. WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT THAT SHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i really dont care about explosives, nothing to do with slashdot and open source .
    Looks like roblimo is boring, i got a better post for u: mp3.com got sued, thats more interesting that someone invented a better fire cracker.. come on rob, stop browing into universities webpages and posting their new inventions.

  98. Re:FIRST POST HULGAHLUGHULG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JOIN ME IN THE LOVE SHACK (ACTUALLY TOOLSHED BEHIND MY BOSS'S HOUSE)

  99. Slash a right? by TheDeal · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't we be thanking Rob and Slashdot for what they have already acomplished? They're working hard as many of us can empathise. Too many things. Why not just write your own code though? Use mysql & php to make something equal or better than slashdots current system. (i'm currently working on one) here are some good sources the DevShead and WebMonkey for those of you who just want to copy and paste and not learn anything... don't bother.

  100. Please stop making new threads, it is frustrating by mmt · · Score: 1

    It adds to my scroll time and I could be doing something productive during that time... like... um... posting compla^H^H^H^H^H^Himportant messages on /.!

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    What exactly are the commercial possiblilities of Ovine Aviation?
  101. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "alternate hydrofusion techonology"

    This could be a whole new social experiment!

    "Group therepy for insecurity via token
    exchange"

    "We inserted a placebo within the dialog to measure the Haardtsadt effect in the subjects.
    As predicted, the more sophisticated the post
    appeared, the more tokens it would recieve.
    Even if the sophistication was purely fictional."

    The question:
    Are slashdot moderators weak brained chickenheads,
    or is there a more intersting social dynamic?

    Personally, I don't care. I've always had the
    impression they were a bunch of nitwits and
    this is beautiful to see it crystalized.

    Checkmate!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!


    Moderation is BOGUS.

    All /. moderators have done the following:

    1.) Registered.
    2.) Enabled cookies.

    Do we really expect brain surgeons?




  102. Roblimo should take some vacations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah /. is cool, i rhink roblimo is kind of tired, thats why he posts some lame shit.

    hey rob, take some time off, go to Utila Island.

  103. Roblimo should take some vacations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah /. is cool, i think roblimo is kind of tired, thats why he posts some lame shit.

    hey rob, take some time off, go to Utila Island.

  104. cool by BlueLines · · Score: 0

    lets go blow up Bill Gates with this molecule

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  105. Chickenhead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a puzzle for you, jerky. \|/ D ~ U V M _|_ B / C \ A \_H_/ S | | S ^ ^

  106. Re:Hypocrisy by DanMcS · · Score: 1

    How would you propose that they go about making money from the /. source code? Comments are easy, methods for making them are included in cgi programming books as example programs. Logins are likewise straightforward. Administering them is a little more difficult, but still feasible. The real jewel of the code is the moderation system, but that is unneccessary for sites with a low volume. So who are they going to sell this code to, that doesn't already employ programmers to make their own cgi solution anyway? I doubt there is much of a market for this kind of thing.

    --
    Communication is only possible between equals
  107. Just is just a joke, there is no such thing! by Etam · · Score: 1

    Notice the name Cuban-nee, Octa-nitro-Cuban-nee? Even the name of the chemist is from two Chinese communist leaders too. I remember there was one similar jokes about a molecule being discovered around administrations, government offices, etc., that can slow down chemical activities. That joke is on why things around these places just work slower than any other places. This one I'm not sure what the joke is, could be a little racial...

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    - Etam

  108. Re:Hypocrisy by Axe · · Score: 1

    Moderation Totals:Offtopic=2, Flamebait=4, Troll=4, Funny=7, Underrated=1, Total=18

    Wow, that sure got you guys moving...


    Nice ASCII though... :)

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  109. Moderate Me and attact Unitek!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this post so poorly moderated. Please moderate this thread. Also, I encourage any of you vicious, blood-thristy little ones to attack Unitek's website http://www.unitek.com/default.asp (note that *.asp my little script kiddies), assult their phone and fax numbers and generally convey the fact that /. isn't for crappy corporate advertising (and advertising for Microsoft training at that!!!)

  110. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what song did that come from

  111. What about Octanitrocubane.com??? by NatePWIII · · Score: 0

    Maybe I should register this one it might be worth some money some day.


    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson
    NPS Internet Solutions, LLC

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    www.haidacarver.com
  112. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why doesn't Andover host slashdot-like discussions for different types of genres... think about it, a site might cater to discussions about a certain game. this could be 'outsourced' to andover.net. Andover then gets the ad revenue.

    Just a thought.

    Keep it closed Andover, make some money! Be evil! Or is this good? It's all relative baby!

  113. Boom by dcs · · Score: 0

    No boom today, boom tomorrow. There is always a boom tomorrow. BOOM!

    --
    (8-DCS)
  114. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha. I guess you don't have a snappy comeback for that one, loser.

  115. Go Away Elitist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what you're saying is:

    I am smarter than Slashdot users
    I would be a better moderator than Slashdot users
    Slashdot needs to get rid of everyone else because I'm smarter than them, and I shouldn't have to put up with people who aren't as absolutely stunningly brilliant as I am.

    Yeah, great. Now how about you quit bitching and do something about it instead. (Such as leave.)

    1. Re:Go Away Elitist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1.--An average of all them? You bet!
      2.--FALSE Moderation is bad.
      3.--Huh..? Go blow yourself.

      4.--*poof*






  116. Re:IT Training by TheDeal · · Score: 1

    I almost want to sue this company... just for taking up space... they should be paying andover.net advertising fees

  117. Re:sellouts this is getting funny by TheDeal · · Score: 1

    wow... trolls everywhere... yeah i think it's cool that they might be sell outs.. if you guys take a look at the readme in the slash code it's full of rob being poor and stuff... and now he isn't maybe enough people sent him money or something... send me money who ever you are!

  118. AntiHydrogen by dew · · Score: 2
    At the Harvard Physics Labs (some 4 years ago now), my job was to write code that would simulate the synthesis of AntiHydrogen in an Open Ended Penning Trap. The trap itself was not very big; about 4 inches tall and a quarter's diameter. The only catch was that the containing magnetic field was required to be so strong (over 5 Tesla, if I remember correctly) that a 2-story Dewar containing an enormous superconducting coil was required to produce the field. (We had fun with screwdrivers that would tug at you and jump out of your hand!)

    What amused me about a superconducting magnetic coil was that it didn't require much extra energy to maintain the magnetic field, only to set it up. Theoretically, were a room-temperature superconducting material discovered, you could put the trap in your pocket...wiping every credit card in your presence, making weird patterns on nearby screens, and giving your future children third arms (not really). =)

    Quantity is also an issue. In order to be useable and trappable, you need "cold" antimatter (i.e., not moving at 99% of the speed of light!); LEAR used to be the #1 place for this sort of thing, but CERN closed LEAR down, so now we're just left with Fermilab, which apparently isn't very good at generating cold antimatter in quantity (that's just on hearsay). There's speculation of a new, better facility in the works...?

    But yes, just to bring things back to reality, my simulations on the computer dealt with a single antiproton being eased through clouds of positrons (anti-electrons) in the hope that some of the positrons would catch onto the antiproton to form AntiHydrogen. I'm not sure that in the 4 years since then they've even managed to get a single confirmed COLD (trapped) atom of AntiHydrogen. I remember that one of the funnier and more intriguing questions was "Which way will it fall under gravity?" (the strong presumtion is DOWN, but nobody knows for sure!).

    It's going to be a long time before we have to worry about anti-matter bombs, especially small, portable, undetectable ones. (6 Tesla magnetic fields and the devices that make them are pretty hard to sneak around in a subtle fashion!)


    David E. Weekly (dew, Think)

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    1. Re:AntiHydrogen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How feasible would it be to stuff an anti-proton inside a 'buckyball'?

  119. above escape velocity by muffel · · Score: 2
    speeds up to 10,000 m/s

    That's more than escape velocity from earth. Now we can really blow things away... ;)
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    bla
    1. Re:above escape velocity by dodobh · · Score: 2

      Earth escape velocit is 11.2 km/s == 11200 m/s. Not 10 kmps

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    2. Re:above escape velocity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you dont account for atmospheric drag.

    3. Re:above escape velocity by muffel · · Score: 1
      Earth escape velocit is 11.2 km/s == 11200 m/s. Not 10 kmps
      Mea Culpa. I should have known better than posting the result of manual calculations. I always get them wrong. Guess I'm just an idiot. ;o)
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  120. Explosives, my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah! Take a kilo of Na, and throw it in a tank of water. first one who will tell me what that'll do, wins. --------------- i'm not anonymous, i'm George Tsiros, gtsiros@yahoo.com

    1. Re:Explosives, my ass by zeedotcom · · Score: 1

      You wanna know? Try it and set up a webcam for the rest of us to see. If you stand next to it and dump a bunch in I will give you a dollar. But I want footage. HaHa

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  121. A cyclotetrahedron? by Muttley · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure if it would be possible to synthesise, or if it would revert to an adamantane structure, but a 4 Carbon Tetrahedronically arranged molecule would have even greater bond strain. We did say above that bond strain didn't directly relate to delta-H(combustion) but that would still be an extremely reactive molecule.

    Hows about tetranitrotetrahedrane? (having mental blackout on how to name polycyclics, and can't see how one would name this anyway, 1,2,2-tricyclo?). That would have to go somewhere on their 'strength tester' of how many bricks of steel it goes through when you blow it up.

    Does this compound exist (I think it would be similar to the structure for white phosphorus?), and is it possible to make?

    -Muttley

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    1. Re:A cyclotetrahedron? by Wdi · · Score: 1

      Tetrahedrane derivatives have been made. Not the
      unsubstituted mother compound, and not
      the nitrated version, as far as I know. There
      are many more spectacular strained compounds,
      like propellanes. There are a number of
      chemists (de Meijere et al.) who synthesize them
      by the dozend.


  122. NAVSPECWAR app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Combat swimmers use "limpet" (attachable) mines to disable or destroy vessels. Some of these mines can be on the largish side, which is a Bad Thing when you've got to swim a long way to get to your target. If this new stuff translates into significantly more bang per unit mass and its manufacture can be cost-effective, this is a Good Thing (tm) except for the Bad Guys.

  123. You're stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We already had a post about MP3.com being sued you retard...

  124. Re:can we agree now? by TheCodeMaster · · Score: 1

    I'd agree, actually.

  125. Chime is seriously impressive by edremy · · Score: 1
    This site doesn't even touch on what Chime can do. It's fully scriptable, can do animations, is chemically smart, etc. I always laugh when I hear folks talking about how VRML will revolutionize chemistry on the web: VRML is simply pitiful compared to what Chime can do.

    For a couple of pages I worked up using Chime, see

    The atomic orbitals page
    Repr esentative proteins

    To the poster who lamented that Chime isn't available for Linux. Nope, but the Rasmol source code is available- start porting. Chime is one of the major reasons I use NT on my workstation rather than Linux. (I'm not a good enough C programmer to do it, or I'd consider it.)

    Eric

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    1. Re:Chime is seriously impressive by Wdi · · Score: 1
      > VRML is simply pitiful compared to what Chime can do

      Not true! Who says you cannot do orbitals or animations in VRML? We do them! And in much better graphical quality. Normal vibrations in Chime are atrocious, both in graphical quality and the physics behind it (sawtooth function? Bah!). Example
      Another Example

    2. Re:Chime is seriously impressive by edremy · · Score: 1

      Not true! Who says you cannot do orbitals or animations in VRML? We do them!

      Of course you can- never said you couldn't. You can even get the physics better. (Although most Chime animations are just output from MD programs, so the physics is as good as the MD. Want better vibrations? Do better calculations.)

      Now try to do HIV-1 protease with VRML (198 amino acids), in stick model form with dots showing the VDW surface. Can you get it to label certain residues or show beta-sheet structure? Sure, you *can*, but it's painful.

      I tried using VRML for a while. I gave up- it's just not worth the effort.

      Eric

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  126. Practical Applications ??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me for my skepticism, but what practical applications does this new explosive have? Perhaps as a nuclear weapon imploder.

    Does anyone predict high brisance for this explosive? I don't think it's going to have significantly more energy than the 1 kcal/g of most high explosives.

    Contrast this with FAE (fuel-air explosives) with acetylene (12 kcal/g), propylene (12 kcal/g) or even ethylene oxide (7 kcal/g). Of course, getting a good air mixture isn't easy, and brisance isn't that high.


    1. Re:Practical Applications ??? by Wdi · · Score: 1

      About the energy: The difference to other
      explosives which bring their own oxidizer
      will not be dramatic.

      The numbers for FAE explosives cannot be
      compared directly. The energy/weight ratios
      exclude the oxygen, which comes from the air.
      They can only be used where plenty of air
      is available. They cannot be used underground,
      under water, in space, or in normal bombs
      for small targets.

  127. Been solved... by DarkMan · · Score: 2

    Antimatter containment is 100% feasable.

    What you do is take your anti-proton, and then make a proton orbit it, in a manner exactly analogus to a conventional atom. They don't touch, so they do not anhilate. The anti-proton orbits at a radius much closer than that of the electron in hydrogen (due to it's much greater mass. In fact it's mor accurate to say that they orbit around a common centre of mass).

    This configuration is stable, until you excite the system, to seperate the two constituents, and allow them to recombine. This is exactly analogus to the photoelectric effect, and can be done by application of electromagnetic radiation (I belive that it's somewhere in the ultraviolet range, all though it might need to be x-rays).

    The system is pretty stable, as things go. Until made in bulk, it's impossable to say how stable, but predictions show that the rate of spontaneus decay is low enough to be a viable system of antimatter containment.

    This as the nice advantage that all you need to do to liberate energy is irradiate it, and it presents no more containment problems than, say, tritium.

    I belive that three (3) 'atoms' of this were made, although I can't find a reference on that. Problem is that in order to make it, you require to pass two streams, one matter, one anti matter past each other. The yield from this is exceptionally low.

    Still, problem of containment, and ignition, has been solved. With this, in a system, it would be feasable to have a 1 mg antimatter bomb the size of your computer. If memory serves me correct, that's enough to destroy Earth.

    Sweet dreams...
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    1. Re:Been solved... by dew · · Score: 1
      Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the anti-proton (having a charge of -1) and the proton (having a charge of +1) would be violently attracted to each other, smash into each other and explode. No? While electrons do have opposite charge from protons and yet manage to orbit a proton without running into it, I thought this had more to do with strong & weak force interactions and was possible because of the electron's relatively light mass.

      Then again, if you can show me a reference, I'll take all of this back.


      David E. Weekly (dew, Think)

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  128. Charlie was a Chemist by Stavr0 · · Score: 2

    But Charlie is no more.
    What he thought was H2O
    Was Octanitrocubane.
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  129. Will this bring us to Nirvana? by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    Imagine: Kurt Cubane and a molecule that destroys itself. Hmmm... Is there some similarity here?

  130. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    And sometimes it's a Cubane Cigar. Looks like the old exploding cigar prank is going to get a new lease on life.


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  131. abd thought i was coll when i did make TNT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well it's a bit cool ( and takes more than 8 hours). The blasted thing was hard to do to

  132. Cubane is NOT an explosive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, sorry, but cubane is not an explosive. It has a lot of strain, so it is thermodynamically unstable, but kinetically it is unexpectedly stable. When you burn it it releases a fair amount of energy, but what makes an explosion is not the energy but the speed of the reaction. For example, the enthalpy of combustion of nitroglicerine is smaller than that of hexane, but nitroglicerine decomposes quite rapidly and generates a shock wave. The advantage of cubane is that it is denser than other hydrocarbons, so when you make octanitrocubane, which is an explosive, you should get more power per gram than with other explosives. But, as the article says, sadly the density of octanitrocubane was smaller than expected. Anyway, being 30% or whatever more powerful than other conventional explosives is still far, far, far, far, far away from nuclear explosives.

  133. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thank you! damn..

  134. New cool boom spot [ie. small bomb] by NTGoodGuy · · Score: 1

    Could you not line a stamp with this 'compound' and have it go off at a lick? Very scary.....do this so my bank will do free online banking :) Another use? BB guns that would be made of this entirely....air to bb, bb to wall, wall to pieces. [flesh? ewww] NTGoodGuy out....... Yes....NT support, as I say 'to each his own'.

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  135. Re:A use for it. by JJ · · Score: 1

    I'm a novice that this so don't go karma-whomping me if this question is shallow.

    I'm interested in energy storage by chemical means. An example would be taking hydroelectric power in New Zealand (where it's really cheap) making compounds, shipping the compounds to the US, using the chemical energy to create electrical and selling the energy.
    If I'm reading your comment correctly cubane would be the best shipping medium: most energy per mole (weight is actually more important) and most stable. Convertibility efficiency, shipping requirements and other factors affect this but its a start.
    Such a system could put solar and wind energy right on the map as far as energy sources. Of course, who can beat hydrolysis and sending the hydrogen to market in a blimp?

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  136. info from the brain vault by g-penguin · · Score: 1

    Thanks man,

    you saved me a ton of work (having ceased to work in chem, i sort of buried all my books)

    any way, as a benchmark, picric acid and tnt both come in around 400-500 kj per mole... so if someone gets some comparasons, we have answers on power.

  137. Just my luck... by RickHunter · · Score: 1

    I was doing a chemistry project on Cubane. Due about a week ago. Could've really used this article back then. Ah, well. Still neat to see. Cubane's got more potential than just explosives. Various derivitives have properties that could be useful in fighting AIDs and cancer or building strong plastics.


    -RickHunter
    --"We are gray. We stand between the candle and the star."
    --Gray council, Babylon 5.
  138. Wow, you must be _really_ intelligent. NOT! by PaulWay · · Score: 1

    I faked the whole thing.

    Wow, what a lot of work for so little real point. You spent half an hour faking evidence and a couple of minutes swearing in German. Gee, I can see just how valuable this must be to you. And for what?

    I did this to prove a point -- Slashdot moderators are complete morons that don't even bother to read before they moderate.

    Oh, no! Sound the alarms! Some of the moderators must be *gasp* human!

    Big whoopee. So your puny attempts at witty rebuttal failed the last couple of times, and this time you wanted to get even. To prove, ultimately, that humans are not as reliable as we'd like to be.

    So what? No-one ever claimed that the moderation system wouldn't be without errors, or bias, or political chicanery (of which you've given us a perfect example). At worst, moderators just behave like every other ordinary person, believing what they're told because it's easier than disbelieving.

    Your point seems to me to be similar to that russian 'wonderkid' who 'cracked' the distributed.net RC5 system to submit a huge number of bogus results. He successfully gave the distributed.net people weeks of hassles - to appear first on the scores (how terribly unimportant) and to 'crack' a system that was never designed to be 'secure' in the first place. It's like opening the door to someone's house and saying "look, a burglar can get through here!"

    Ultimately, Slashdot cannot be a useful source of news and opinion without moderation. There's just simply too much bandwidth taken up with idiots banging on their own private joy-buttons posting garbage that no-one wants to read. I, and most other Slashdot readers, take the risk of bad moderation because the information that the non-bad moderation leaves us with is useful.

    Fleischmann and Pons thought they'd invented Cold Fusion, too, and that's been a feature on Slashdot. If we wanted an authoritative journal, we'd buy "Nature". We come to Slashdot to listen to the speculation and opinions as much as to hear the facts. All you've done in your puny attempt at 'revolution' is to successfully point out the weaknesses in the system that everyone already knows about.

    Congratulations, you've just proved how useless and redundant your point really is.

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    1. Re:Wow, you must be _really_ intelligent. NOT! by fidel · · Score: 1

      I'd have to disagree.

      There is significant dissatisfaction with the
      moderation system. People use slashdot as a
      public forum for which ideas can be communicated,
      points can be debated and things are learnt.
      A discussion on the current discussion method
      on slashdot is not "useless" or "redundant".

      Registering for slashdot doesn't automatically
      make your points any more valid, or your reasoning
      any better.

      Of course, there is a lot of noise, but it could
      be argued that the source of the noise
      is not just AC's alone. The point is that
      moderation is slightly effective in filtering out
      noise - but a lot of signal is lost in the process.

      Your position seems to be that although moderation
      is flawed, it is necessary to continue reasoned
      debate and to filter noise

      Fine, but I see the point of the exersize to
      point out that it doesn't allow debate, it stifles
      it!

      You have acknowledged that moderation is
      flawed but it appears you don't want to do
      anything about it.

      As an aside, it is bigotry and nothing less to
      assert that people who claim that other peoples
      postings contain no value, especially when the
      posting disagrees with their opinion.