This 13-year-old kid must have a fair bit of it... he can afford to install (basically) a cell phone connected to a switch on his door and have it autodial his other cell phone. And he needs this because of the large number of packages he is receiving....
I could argue about what it is that you lavish with the label "fact" and also about your apparent lack of familiarity with human history as it pertains to the topic at hand, but then I'm not looking for an argument since these sort of arguments are almost invariably a waste of my time. However you do seem to be looking for an argument. So there is nothing for me to do but say that everyone is entitled to their opinion and, once again, that on this topic YMMV. You also seem to have a real need to have the last word so please be my guest...
The Stanford experiment has been repeated elsewhere with pretty much the same results - however I was too lazy to go dig up the references.
I considered Milgram but, as you did, decided it was not directly pertinent in this case - although that was of course based on my limited knowledge of the case at hand.
I do think the Stanford experiment showed "people are innately horrible"... and will act in that manner unless other forces come into play to promote different behaviour. So I don't see, as you seem to, the people involved as innately good and being driven to evil by circumstances. Quite the opposite, I see them as human and behaving that way in the absence of any opposing influence. Words like "tyrannical" and "sadistic" are unfortunately loaded and tend to produce unfortunate reactions when applied.
Some animals are this way and some are not. We seem to belong to the group that are that way. Are cats sadistic with their prey? Or are they just cats?
If you now prefer to make the motive revenge rather than sadism... sure that is possible. But if we are looking at things through a moral lens then I don't see revenge as being more acceptable than sadism. Of course YMMV.
(I'll assume you aren't a misandrist and really meant "people" there) and
It's not that they're innately cruel tyrants, or sadists
The problem is the last assertion is contradicted by the first statement. People are tyrants and sadists. It takes an effort of will for people not to be like that. Remember all those experiments 40 and 50 years ago - like dividing university students up into "guards" and "prisoners" and just how astonishingly fast the "guards" became tyrannical and brutal?
if you change a sales person's salary to the same as engineers they're change into engineers pretty quickly
Wow! Just think, we can completely eliminate engineering schools - just capture sales guys, stick them in a cubicle, pay them a crappy salary and bazinga - engineers!
I guess I could say that generations before your parents people were married (or cohabiting), having children and building their own houses before 17. I guess that reflects badly on your parents' generation.
Or I could say that all those people getting married, having kids and a mortgage all by 17 sure weren't going to college or university. I guess that education and learning wasn't very important to them. I suppose that reflects badly on their generation too.
Some possible explanation might be inferred from the fact that they spent more time talking about and with the losing US teams than about and with the winning team from another country.
First, Ubuntu 10.10 is based on Linux but it is not Linux any more than any other distribution built on top of a linux kernel is Linux.
Second, even if all distributions based on Linux had this particular problem that wouldn't make Windoze a better system because it did that one thing better.
Third, my point was explicitly that Ubuntu 10.10 had that problem for me with that particular hardware but that previous Ubuntu versions didn't so it is difficult to see how you could honestly generalize that to "windoze works better than Linux".
So no, you misunderstanding does not make my comment ironic, it just means you didn't understand what I said.
I don't know about 10.10 being the right version... my Broadcom 43xx b/g/n in my laptop only runs at 2Mbs (let me emphasize that is 2 mega BITS) after I upgraded to 10.10 - it had been working fine before that and if I boot Windoze it works fine in that too....
Yeah, or at least always make sure there is a version of Lightning that will work with all new versions. That was a real treat having TBird get upgraded only to find there was no working Lightning for my version.
And at one point they changed the way the profile directories were handled and it broke Beagle's ability to access TBird messages... I know Beagle is being forgotten but I really like the way it works and I really liked having all my email messages being included in searches of my system.
While I'm on a roll how about preserving the settings of the quick filter for each folder? I am so tired of going to an RSS folder and setting it to "unread" then going away to read something else and having to reset the filter again when I return to the RSS folder. Or at least provide a clear way for users to set the default setting for each (or even every) folder.
And would it really be that hard to let me drag sub-folders around in the tree so that they are displayed in the order that *I* want them displayed in????
Maybe an address book that integrated with other apps or at least made it easy to upload to my phone over BT?
I switch mail clients very rarely because it is such a pain. When I originally chose TBird it was because I figured it would at least give me OS independence. But it is starting to be a bit of a pita... but what's the alternative for a local email client with a reasonable set of features that I can take from one platform to another if I need to?
Long ago on an OS far far away I used to run an email client called PMMail (eventually becoming PMMail2000) and newsreader called Gravity - they both did their jobs very very well. PMMail still exists but it is pretty clear that (even though there is a website to buy it) development for it stopped long ago. And for example PMMail had very good and highly configurable message search more than a decade ago... I don't see a lot of improvement in the current crop of clients... it all seems to be about glam and not improvements to real usability but maybe I'm missing some gem????
My email is important to me (and to some others) and I want it 100% under my control. I want its security, backup, etc. to be done exactly the way I want it done and I want to be able to access it (all of it) when I'm offline. Although these requirements may not be necessary for many people I don't think that stops them from being reasonable requirements.
Unfortunately I'm loving TBird less and less as the years go by, but that's a different story.
Did you read the part about where it was a kid? Kids do stupid things - all kids - unless they are raised in a glass bubble. So yeah, try to have some compassion for children who do things that seem stupid to adults. Geez.
Ummm seems to me that IBM isn't just the picture of gold in elderly years. IBM has been the picture of gold in infancy, toddler, pre-school, kindergarten, pre-teen years, teen years, early adulthood, mid-30's, early middle age, middle age, senior years and post immortality serum administration years...
Ok, maybe it looked like only silver for a few years after it sold the farm to a little company in Bellvue... but other than that...
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This 13-year-old kid must have a fair bit of it... he can afford to install (basically) a cell phone connected to a switch on his door and have it autodial his other cell phone. And he needs this because of the large number of packages he is receiving....
Sounds like a hard life.
I'm sorry but I'm reasonably certain that "KA-POW" is the sound you get only when turning salesmen into Nuclear Physicists!
I could argue about what it is that you lavish with the label "fact" and also about your apparent lack of familiarity with human history as it pertains to the topic at hand, but then I'm not looking for an argument since these sort of arguments are almost invariably a waste of my time. However you do seem to be looking for an argument. So there is nothing for me to do but say that everyone is entitled to their opinion and, once again, that on this topic YMMV. You also seem to have a real need to have the last word so please be my guest...
ok, apparently you do not understand the meaning of YMMV. Please look it up.
As I said YMMV.
The Stanford experiment has been repeated elsewhere with pretty much the same results - however I was too lazy to go dig up the references.
I considered Milgram but, as you did, decided it was not directly pertinent in this case - although that was of course based on my limited knowledge of the case at hand.
I do think the Stanford experiment showed "people are innately horrible"... and will act in that manner unless other forces come into play to promote different behaviour. So I don't see, as you seem to, the people involved as innately good and being driven to evil by circumstances. Quite the opposite, I see them as human and behaving that way in the absence of any opposing influence. Words like "tyrannical" and "sadistic" are unfortunately loaded and tend to produce unfortunate reactions when applied.
Some animals are this way and some are not. We seem to belong to the group that are that way. Are cats sadistic with their prey? Or are they just cats?
If you now prefer to make the motive revenge rather than sadism... sure that is possible. But if we are looking at things through a moral lens then I don't see revenge as being more acceptable than sadism. Of course YMMV.
(I'll assume you aren't a misandrist and really meant "people" there) and
The problem is the last assertion is contradicted by the first statement. People are tyrants and sadists. It takes an effort of will for people not to be like that. Remember all those experiments 40 and 50 years ago - like dividing university students up into "guards" and "prisoners" and just how astonishingly fast the "guards" became tyrannical and brutal?
Wow! Just think, we can completely eliminate engineering schools - just capture sales guys, stick them in a cubicle, pay them a crappy salary and bazinga - engineers!
I guess I could say that generations before your parents people were married (or cohabiting), having children and building their own houses before 17. I guess that reflects badly on your parents' generation.
Or I could say that all those people getting married, having kids and a mortgage all by 17 sure weren't going to college or university. I guess that education and learning wasn't very important to them. I suppose that reflects badly on their generation too.
Oh no! An ad hominem attack!!! Ho Hum, so predictable.
But we're usually too polite to mention it when someone makes a mistake.
Some possible explanation might be inferred from the fact that they spent more time talking about and with the losing US teams than about and with the winning team from another country.
By again do you mean the Sudbury Ontario students winning the NASA Moon Robot competition?
I made no such claim. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
I think you are confused.
First, Ubuntu 10.10 is based on Linux but it is not Linux any more than any other distribution built on top of a linux kernel is Linux.
Second, even if all distributions based on Linux had this particular problem that wouldn't make Windoze a better system because it did that one thing better.
Third, my point was explicitly that Ubuntu 10.10 had that problem for me with that particular hardware but that previous Ubuntu versions didn't so it is difficult to see how you could honestly generalize that to "windoze works better than Linux".
So no, you misunderstanding does not make my comment ironic, it just means you didn't understand what I said.
Wow... 17!!! Of course you'd have to be pretty young to think that 17 wasn't still a kid.
And the 2nd trailer warning "Please remember to wash your hands after playing."
The sugar is a frill... as some of us found out as kids just match heads can be enough for an explosion.
I don't know about 10.10 being the right version... my Broadcom 43xx b/g/n in my laptop only runs at 2Mbs (let me emphasize that is 2 mega BITS) after I upgraded to 10.10 - it had been working fine before that and if I boot Windoze it works fine in that too....
Yeah, or at least always make sure there is a version of Lightning that will work with all new versions. That was a real treat having TBird get upgraded only to find there was no working Lightning for my version.
And at one point they changed the way the profile directories were handled and it broke Beagle's ability to access TBird messages... I know Beagle is being forgotten but I really like the way it works and I really liked having all my email messages being included in searches of my system.
While I'm on a roll how about preserving the settings of the quick filter for each folder? I am so tired of going to an RSS folder and setting it to "unread" then going away to read something else and having to reset the filter again when I return to the RSS folder. Or at least provide a clear way for users to set the default setting for each (or even every) folder.
And would it really be that hard to let me drag sub-folders around in the tree so that they are displayed in the order that *I* want them displayed in????
Maybe an address book that integrated with other apps or at least made it easy to upload to my phone over BT?
I switch mail clients very rarely because it is such a pain. When I originally chose TBird it was because I figured it would at least give me OS independence. But it is starting to be a bit of a pita... but what's the alternative for a local email client with a reasonable set of features that I can take from one platform to another if I need to?
Long ago on an OS far far away I used to run an email client called PMMail (eventually becoming PMMail2000) and newsreader called Gravity - they both did their jobs very very well. PMMail still exists but it is pretty clear that (even though there is a website to buy it) development for it stopped long ago. And for example PMMail had very good and highly configurable message search more than a decade ago... I don't see a lot of improvement in the current crop of clients... it all seems to be about glam and not improvements to real usability but maybe I'm missing some gem????
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My email is important to me (and to some others) and I want it 100% under my control. I want its security, backup, etc. to be done exactly the way I want it done and I want to be able to access it (all of it) when I'm offline. Although these requirements may not be necessary for many people I don't think that stops them from being reasonable requirements.
Unfortunately I'm loving TBird less and less as the years go by, but that's a different story.
Did you read the part about where it was a kid? Kids do stupid things - all kids - unless they are raised in a glass bubble. So yeah, try to have some compassion for children who do things that seem stupid to adults. Geez.
Ummm seems to me that IBM isn't just the picture of gold in elderly years. IBM has been the picture of gold in infancy, toddler, pre-school, kindergarten, pre-teen years, teen years, early adulthood, mid-30's, early middle age, middle age, senior years and post immortality serum administration years...
Ok, maybe it looked like only silver for a few years after it sold the farm to a little company in Bellvue... but other than that...
Really? What was the escape system on Mercury 1?
Not unless it's also a time machine.