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Is Bill Gates the Cure For What Ails Microsoft?

theodp writes "After reading the recent call for Steve Ballmer to step down, gdgt's Ryan Block concludes that it's time for Bill Gates to come back to Microsoft. 'I've long seen it as a foregone conclusion that Ballmer isn't the guy to be running what was until quite recently the world's preeminent technology company,' writes Block. 'The more pressing question is: who should replace him? I think we all know damn well who — but I'm not so sure he's available. Yet.' Block adds: 'I'm not saying Bill's going to leave his new gig as the world's greatest living philanthropist with aplomb, but the multi-billion dollar wheels at The Gates Foundation have been set in motion — and lest we all forget, the Foundation's endowment is tied directly to Microsoft's long-term success. It may just happen that Bill can help the Foundation more by securing Microsoft's future.'"

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  1. Bill Gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I remember reading some books from Bill Gates when I was a kid and just learning programming. He actually had some quite nice ideas (and some that sound weird now a days), but underneath he is a geeky person. A lot more than Ballmer. Microsoft has really got their act together in the recent years tho, so I'm not sure if it's a good idea. Maybe Gates could start some new thing? He has nice ideas after all.

    1. Re:Bill Gates by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but if you own enough money to hire thousands of people your time is probably best spent looking for other people with good ideas. That will be more productive than pursuing any idea you can come up with yourself.

    2. Re:Bill Gates by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      From what I can tell, the successful entrepreneurs aren't the ones who can come up with good ideas. Lots of people can do that The skill is filtering them. It's hard to determine what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. You need to estimate the cost, estimate the return and the likelihood of getting that return and figure out if it's worth it.

    3. Re:Bill Gates by cpu6502 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      I don't think Bill Gates did anything miraculous. He sold MS-DOS to IBM, and then rode their success as the IBM PC became the default standard for computers. The PC "won" the computing battle therefore the microsoft OS won.

      Basically he got lucky, and if he had picked somebody else, like Commodore or Atari or TI to sell his OS, then he'd be in the same place they are (bankrupt). Ever heard of Berkeley Softworks? No because even though they developed a nice GUI-based OS in 1985, they chose the wrong team (commodore) and disappeared off the planet.

      Had they chosen IBM PC instead, maybe we'd all be using Berkeley Windows instead of MS windows. And Bill Gates would be in the same camp as Nolan Bushnell or Jack Tramel.

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    4. Re:Bill Gates by VanessaE · · Score: 1

      To be accurate, they neither disappeared, nor chose the "wrong team", as GEOS was available for the Apple II as well. The company changed their name to "GeoWorks" when they went with the PC, and renamed their product "GeoWorks Ensemble". This eventually became "Breadbox Ensemble" when the company by that name bought the product line. They still call it that to this day, with references to PC/GEOS as its core software, though their website is hardly up-to-date.

    5. Re:Bill Gates by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Informative

      MicroSoft sold Basic to all the computer companies you name and pretty much all others. MS was already a pretty significant software company before they released MS-DOS, in fact they had released OS's before MS-DOS. MS didn't get lucky by picking the right company; they picked all companies, including the right one.

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    6. Re:Bill Gates by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      Did Microsoft pick IBM, or did IBM pick Microsoft?

    7. Re:Bill Gates by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Actually Microsoft sold Basic to just about every company including Commodore. Yes Microsoft got lucky but they did make the most of it. They also kept with it. Windows was a failure in versions one and two. I remember Selling machines that had it bundled. People took it off to get more disk space.
      It wasn't until Windows 386 and Windows 3 that it was actually really useful.Then you have Microsoft Office mainly Word and Excel. Some of those same computers also included Word 1.0 for DOS. I tired it out and though wow this is actually pretty cool if it wasn't so dog slow. Microsoft ported Word to the Mac and keep improving it until it became the standard for both MacOS and Windows. Excel started on the Mac and ended up as the spreadsheet.
      While some of their business practices have been down right evil, and many of their products have been flops they have has some brilliant products as well. And the truth is that some of those brilliant products like Word started out as failures but Microsoft kept improving them until they became great products.
      As far as Berkeley goes they didn't pick Commodore. They had a version of Geos for the PC as well and it was actually not bad. It just didn't have Microsoft behind it. Oh and Geos also ran on the Apple as well.

      I don't know if Gates can fix Microsoft. I do not know if anyone can. It is still making money hand over fist and is doing very well. They have totally blown the online market and the mobile market but they are doing well in the Console market. They may not really be broken but just mature and settled in their markets. Nothing wrong with that. Boeing doesn't make light aircraft, or ultra lights. Peterbuilt doesn't make compact cars. Maybe those are just not markets that Microsoft can win at.

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    8. Re:Bill Gates by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think Bill Gates did anything miraculous. He sold MS-DOS to IBM, and then rode their success as the IBM PC became the default standard for computers. The PC "won" the computing battle therefore the microsoft OS won.

      Basically he got lucky, and if he had picked somebody else, like Commodore or Atari or TI to sell his OS, then he'd be in the same place they are (bankrupt). Ever heard of Berkeley Softworks? No because even though they developed a nice GUI-based OS in 1985, they chose the wrong team (commodore) and disappeared off the planet.

      Had they chosen IBM PC instead, maybe we'd all be using Berkeley Windows instead of MS windows. And Bill Gates would be in the same camp as Nolan Bushnell or Jack Tramel.

      Selling MS-DOS to IBM and riding it was indeed a streak of luck, of having a vision that could be worked, and having it at the right place and the right time. But to assume that such a streak of luck is the only thing that propelled MS to its position of dominance is as bad an oversimplification of things as one can make. Removing the typical moral overtones we at /. like to put on things, Gates did a hell of a lot more (as one of the few people that can be geek/technocrat and businessman at the same time) in driving MS's direction. Getting a streak of luck is great. Being able to capitalize on it for decades, expanding into so many markets (both software and hardware), and even managing to fund one of the biggest private R&D on Earth today (MS Research), that is no luck.

      I'm not a fan of MS products, and I've always prefer to work in predominantly Unix/Linux systems and development environments (for practical and ideological reasons). But even I can find some objective neurons left to give credit where credit is due.

    9. Re:Bill Gates by kbg · · Score: 0

      Yes Microsoft has never developed any software in house. All their software has been bought and then re-branded. The only software that was possibly made in house was the early version of the crappy basic compiler that was included with DOS and the only reason Bill Gates was successful was because he totally ruthless in business.

    10. Re:Bill Gates by JonJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being able to capitalize on it for decades, expanding into so many markets (both software and hardware), and even managing to fund one of the biggest private R&D on Earth today (MS Research), that is no luck.

      No, it took at lot of illegal coercing of computer manufacturers, embrace/extend/extinguish, breaking monopoly laws, creating broken standards and closed up de-facto standards and generally being assholes. Not luck, but illegal activities. Praising Microsoft is equal to praising the mafia.

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    11. Re:Bill Gates by beckerist · · Score: 1

      IBM awarded Microsoft a contract in 1980 over Digital Research's OS (DR-DOS) -- so IBM picked Microsoft and used MS-DOS to develop PC-DOS.

    12. Re:Bill Gates by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You're mostly correct, but Microsoft didn't sell PC-DOS, they licensed it to IBM, who (incorrectly) didn't think their BIOS could be cloned. Had they bought it outright, MS wouldn't be the behemoth it became.

      MS was already a fairly successful company before IBM, they had a pretty good BASIC interpreter that ran most pre-DOS PCs (they were called "microcomputers" back then). My Old Trash80 ran MS BASIC. I don't remember who wrote the BASIC for the Apple IIe, but it could well have been MS (probably not though, anybody know?) Clive Sinclair provided the OS for my first electronic computer (my first computer was a slide rule).

      Nolan Bushnell (if my memory isn't faulty) was almost Bill Gates, but IBM pissed him off and he took his code and went home.

    13. Re:Bill Gates by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      IBM picked their second choice, Microsoft. Both of Gates' parents were lawyers for IBM.

    14. Re:Bill Gates by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell, the successful entrepreneurs aren't the ones who can come up with good ideas. Lots of people can do that The skill is filtering them. It's hard to determine what's a good idea and what's a bad idea. You need to estimate the cost, estimate the return and the likelihood of getting that return and figure out if it's worth it.

      Sure. Filtering is probably one of the most important parts of the creative process. If your idea hasn't been filtered it's not a good idea.

      I suspect that another important thing is attention to detail. For every great idea there seems to be hundreds of subtle ways to mess up and fail even though the idea is fundamentally sound.

    15. Re:Bill Gates by Creepy · · Score: 2

      Incidentally, Microsoft didn't have an OS product at the time, but were well (and mainly) known for their BASIC interpreters. They bought the rights to Quick and Dirty DOS (aka 86-DOS), a CP/M clone, and then redirected a DEC lawsuit against them for infringement to Seattle Computer Products (the creator of QDOS) and DEC sued them out of existence for a product they no longer had rights to sell.

      MS probably would have never won the OS battle without a little help, especially in the windows GUI age where their products were years behind the competition. They won by promising features to match or better competition years in advance of offering them (FUD), bundling agreements that bundled only MS products (a practice I think should not be legal, but Comcast and others still do it), and signing exclusivity agreements with manufacturers (e.g. if you only sell our products, we'll sell them to you for 20% of list price). MS Office proved the killer app - once they threw Office into the bundling/exclusivity mix, there was no way not to go MS only.

    16. Re:Bill Gates by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      No, it took at lot of illegal coercing of computer manufacturers, embrace/extend/extinguish, breaking monopoly laws, creating broken standards and closed up de-facto standards and generally being assholes. Not luck, but illegal activities. Praising Microsoft is equal to praising the mafia.

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      You remind me a bit of this

      http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-11-002-20-OP-0038

      When I get an attachment I can't open, I respond with something like this.

      I'm sorry, but I can't open the Word document you sent as I don't use Word. Would you mind saving the file in RTF format (under the File menu, choose "Save as.." and select "Rich Text" in the drop-down box) and sending me that as an attachment. In the future, it would be easiest if you would send me documents in that way because, as I said, I and others who don't use Word can't read them in the default format.

        This has the advantages of a) explaining what I want to a secretary or supplier who doesn't realize that you can save documents in different file formats, instead of confusing them with some political badgering about monopolies, bytes, GNU/Linux and Kenya, b) not reinforcing the stereotype that Linux users are rabid, socially dysfunctional pricks and c) not being a jerk to someone who doesn't know any better.

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    17. Re:Bill Gates by Creepy · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's deal with IBM only applied to IBM PCs, not the massive amounts of clones, which used diverse OS offerings in the early years (I was partial to DR-DOS and GEM in the PC world). Microsoft strangled off competition by exclusive bundling agreements and clauses that forbid selling competing products in their contracts, which in return offered extremely reduced prices. They even did nasty tricks in their betas where if you ran Windows on a competing DOS, you'd get a warning message about compatibility. Bill was best at advertising features "coming soon" that didn't appear in products for 2-3 years, if then (many were dropped).

    18. Re:Bill Gates by Shorty1911 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Look at Microsoft today .. In south coast plaza they opened a Microsoft store, Not only was this a Blaine copy of the apple store it was just stupid, The also laid out the store with the same furniture that the apple store uses. My GOD Microsoft cannot do anything on there own they should be renamed to Micro-Thief..

    19. Re:Bill Gates by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Peterbuilt doesn't make compact cars.

      Peterbilt isn't even an independent company any more. They were bought out by PACCAR way back in the 50s, along with Kenworth. Compared to Freightliner (a division of Daimler), PACCAR hasn't done that well: PACCAR made only $15 billion in '07 (for both Peterbilt and Kenworth and all their other operations combined), compared with $32 billion for Freightliner all by itself in '06.

      But this probably isn't the best comparison anyway: Peterbilt doesn't look like it was ever a dominant brand, unlike MS. I think history usually shows that companies don't go from large, dominant positions to 4th or 5th-place positions of stability very often; usually, they collapse and the pieces get sold off.

      Boeing doesn't make light aircraft, or ultra lights.

      No, but Boeing doesn't need to because it makes tons of money in the defense sector and in big commercial planes. With the commercial planes, it co-dominates that industry with Airbus, and doesn't appear to be in big trouble of being made obsolete. Not so with Microsoft: they keep trying to move into new markets, only having any real success with consoles, but their core market (OS and Office) is constantly being eroded by many factors: Free software (Linux and OpenOffice), Macs, and the general reluctance of customers to replace their computers or buy new ones these days as their current ones are "good enough" and they're buying more mobile devices now. Boeing isn't in any danger of being replaced by cheaper competitors, only Airbus (which is nothing new, and just as big and lumbering a company as them).

    20. Re:Bill Gates by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      I use a Mac and Linux but they are really only barley making a dent in the PC market. The question will be what is going to happen to laptops. Mobile devices are good but limited. You need a keyboard to do any real communication or content creation. So will the market go to tablets that dock to a keyboard like the ASUS Transformer? Will they mo6ve to mobile devices that dock with a notebook like frame like the AtrixII?
      Microsoft will still be making money for a very long time and keep doing very well for a long time IMHO. I am not a Microsoft fanboy at all but they are well established and very solid.
      Long term I would worry more about Intel than Microsoft. I can tell that for a fact in 1982 if you told people that Intel would make a PC faster than a CRAY and that someday the worlds fastest computer would use the x86 instruction set that people would have laughed in your face. Right up with telling them in 1986 that Compaq would someday buy the giant DEC or that Vaxes, PDP, and Eclipses would be replaced by X86 machines. What happened it the X86 just kept creeping up and up and economies of scale made them closer and closer to the leading edge of technology and speed. Now they have filled the entire ecosystem of computing from embedded devices to the biggest systems. At the top they only really have to compete with IBMs Power line and sort of with SPARC.
      I see ARM doing the exact same thing. They are going to keep getting faster and faster and pushing into the X86 markets from the bottom up. Here Intel has a problem because they do not want to sell fewer high price CPUs just to fight ARM but ARM would love to push up market. A faster more expensive ARM will not reduce profits for ARM makers but a cheaper good enough X86 will hurt Intel's bottom line. In the end it will not matter if the X86 is faster as long as ARM is fast enough, cheap enough, and runs cool enough, and long enough on a battery, ARM will win.

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    21. Re:Bill Gates by Rhodri+Mawr · · Score: 2

      Gates got extremely lucky. Digital Research's salesman failed to show for an important meeting and IBM immediately walked down the road to Microsoft and exchanged contracts.

    22. Re:Bill Gates by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      but it wasn't illegal to break monopoly specific laws, before they became a monopoly. Probably up until they took out netscape in the late 90's, then started their decline (or at least peak) in 2000 I wouldn't have called any of their tactics illegal. Before then they bought out the winning tech companies, and extended them... Only after their stock stagnated did they then get too aggressive and start bending the laws, trying to stay on top. But getting to the top was just good business (AFAIK) and some luck combined with skillful marketing along the way.

    23. Re:Bill Gates by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The word you are looking for isn't FUD it is vaporware and frankly one should give credit where credit is due as it turned out to be a bloody brilliant strategy. MSFT knew at the time they were years behind and had some serious trouble, so Bill had the occasional screenshot and mockup cooked up and through the sheer power of his giant brass balls and ability to bullshit got the press to believe it was real.

      This managed in a one two punch to not only keep OEMs buying MSFT for fear that they would be left out when the "next new thing" hit, but also killed competitors who couldn't make their real products able to do the miraculous things Bill's non existent OS could do. Frankly it was bloody brilliant. If you had run BeOS or OS/2 at the time (I ran both) you'd know that Win pre 98 was like a joke compared to them, but Bill and his magical brass balls kept them both at bay with nothing but bullshit and some phony screencaps.

      But as for why he won the OS battle I'd argue its the same reason you don't see Linux getting any traction on the desktop: The combination of ease of use and availability of programs. I know this shocks the shit out of Linux users, even have one moron here who can't read a sentence that put it as his sig, but as far as Windows users are concerned THERE IS NO CLI IN WINDOWS since they will never ever have to use it, ever. Windows has spent untold millions in research and work making sure every single thing is "clicky clicky" simple, whereas Linux is to this day more often than not a screen scraper on top of a CLI app and if you need to do anything more than the absolute basics (such as install a driver or change wireless settings) you will often have to drop to term.

      The other reason for winning is why I gave up on OS/2 and BeOS around the Win98 era, the availability of programs There are literally millions of programs, from games and video editing to office software and every niche of business under the sun, both free and commercial and the one OS you can be assured it runs on is Windows thanks to its network effect and backwards compatibility. Hell Windows 7 seems to get several patches a month that are nothing but new shim settings for older programs, MSFT really does put in the work when it comes to backwards compatibility. While Linux too has plenty of apps, the simple fact is all the decent ones run on Windows while there is tons of specialized software that has no Linux equivalent and never will. Sure you have 50 million text editors and programmers tools, but what about medical transcription? CAD and engineering programs that will work with the big name software like SolidWorks?

      In the end while Bill's ability to bullshit got them through the dark times of Win 1/2/3 it was all the money spent on ease of use and the whole "developers developers developers" meme that allowed MSFT to win the whole ball of wax.

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    24. Re:Bill Gates by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It's where IBM was before microsoft came around.
      It's just like where Apple has been going for the past decade.

      Hate to break it to you, but to be ridiculously successful, you have to be ruthless in the pursuit of the win. There is no taking a knee on the one yard line when you're up by 28 points in the 4th quarter - you punch the ball down their throats and then come back with an on side kick. That's business.

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    25. Re:Bill Gates by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      I've got to agree, especially in regard to BeOS. It just goes to show that the only thing that really wins in the consumer space is how quickly you get the best lies to market.

    26. Re:Bill Gates by jschmitz · · Score: 1

      First code they sold was to the makers of the Altair if I remember correctly

    27. Re:Bill Gates by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that same BASIC they were accused of stealing* from academics. They become a significant software company by that time, and since big companies only make business with other big companies...

      * They plagiarized the code and copyrighted as their own, at a time when almost nobody copyrighted their works. And then sold the code back to the same people that writed it, as a hiden tax on new computers.

    28. Re:Bill Gates by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Good to see these Microsoft stories still bring out the old school crazies, ranting like it's the 1999..

      Sell those LNUX shares before it's too late!

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    29. Re:Bill Gates by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Incidentally, Microsoft didn't have an OS product at the time

      Before MS-DOS, Microsoft had Xenix, a quite popular unix clone at the time.

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    30. Re:Bill Gates by asc99c · · Score: 2

      I can't completely agree with this. I'm pretty sure Intel would love to get rid of a lot of the cruft in the X86 ISA, and release a properly new product. Partly because they've tried it once already. The reason they can't is that so much software is compiled to work well on X86.

      And in the end, when people are buying a PC, they expect to get a PC that does everything they want of it. ARM are doing very well, as smartphones become better and so bought by more people, and tablets take off. But in the end, there aren't full fledged ARM based PCs. That line is going to be incredibly difficult to cross. Maybe tablets will blur the lines - a tablet with a docking station providing keyboard, mouse and full-res monitor, might for instance create demand for desktop-style software recompiled for ARM ISA, but it is very far from a sure thing.

    31. Re:Bill Gates by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      "Getting lucky" usually plays a big part in any success. Whether or not you make the best use of that luck determines whether or not that success turns into a continued success.

    32. Re:Bill Gates by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      There's one thing about Gates that I think many people don't give him credit for. The unofficial motto (what is called "corporate statement" these days) for the company under him was straight and to the point:

      A computer on every desk and in every home, running Microsoft software.

      And you know what? He actually did it - set a long-term and ambitious goal, work towards it, and reach it. Not 100%, but pretty damn close to that (especially if you look at the figures in early 90s and not today). You can complain about the ruthlessness, the morality and legality of methods used, etc - that is a different side of it. Nonetheless, it was done.

      How many CEOs today can you think of that set a goal of that magnitude, and meticulously work to achieve it for 20 years straight? I often think that Jobs has a similar one for himself, except that he doesn't choose to share it with the world, but aside from that... it seems that most today care only about the stock price next month.

    33. Re:Bill Gates by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      BeOS was brilliant, wasn't it? I can't even remember where I got that machine (I think one of my relatives picked it up while out on the truck somewhere) but IIRC it was a PPC running BeOS and wow, it made Win95 and Win98 look like a really bad joke. Shame I don't still have that machine, because i used to wow folks by showing them how i could play video while multitasking and this was in 1997 when Win95 would shit itself and die if you looked at it funny!

      The sad part was it was the same with OS/2, I had a relative bring me in an IBM machine running OS/2 in I believe it was 93 or 94, and frankly it made Win 3.1 look like a really bad joke. Again it could multitask (the closest Win had at the time was TSRs) and could actually play audio and video without skipping, it was really sharp.

      If you haven't read it you should really read the link I posted it is really good. It is a timeline showing how Bill with his giant brass balls was able to hold back an entire industry for over half a decade simply with his magical brass balls and total bullshittery, give the man credit! He managed to keep an entire industry from switching away from his steaming pile of poo until he could bring in Dave Cutler to make an actual decent OS.

      Now with Windows 7 they frankly have a world class OS but in the early 90s all they had was a bad DOS shell while BeOS and OS/2 had actual multitasking fully functional OSes. Of course he doesn't deserve the only credit, JLG at Be turning down the sackful of money Apple offered for Be, and IBM trying to lock everyone into their overpriced hardware helped a hell of a lot.

      In fact I wonder if the reason why the industry was so easily bullshitted is because they would rather have bullshit than be locked down with either Apple or IBM, both known for charging a premium on their gear. They knew with Windows they'd be able to run it on all of the clones of the IBM and that the competition between them for marketshare would be good for everyone. I have NO doubt if Apple would have won the starting price on a PC today would be over $1000, that's just the way they roll. Like it or not Windows really changed the landscape, making cheap hardware plentiful.

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    34. Re:Bill Gates by hutsell · · Score: 1

      "How many CEOs today can you think of that set a goal of that magnitude, ... "

      Strangely, Jimmy Hoffa comes to mind: "If it's got wheels, it's going to be a Teamster jurisdiction."

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    35. Re:Bill Gates by ginafelb12 · · Score: 1

      What an interesting topic! I do appreciate Bill Gates did and what He contributed to the world to us today. Seems a lot of people as well benefit out of his great ideas and I assumed some of those ideas, we learned out of it even a bit. Thanks to him and welcome to the next one who is good as well. Thanks for the post. Sunbury insurance agent

    36. Re:Bill Gates by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Being able to capitalize on it for decades, expanding into so many markets (both software and hardware), and even managing to fund one of the biggest private R&D on Earth today (MS Research), that is no luck.

      No, it took at lot of illegal coercing of computer manufacturers, embrace/extend/extinguish, breaking monopoly laws, creating broken standards and closed up de-facto standards and generally being assholes. Not luck, but illegal activities. Praising Microsoft is equal to praising the mafia.

      If you like to pander to mindless rhetoric, that's fine with me. Assuming for a second that indeed praising them is like praising the mafia, it would still underscore two things in business:

      1. You have to be ruthless.

      2. You have to have a business acumen to know what to ruthlessly pursue.

      My argument is that MS position was not just a matter of sheer luck. Your statement provide further proof of my thesis. By either pure will or mere logical stupidity, you are taking a moral position as a logical counter-example of my assertion (care to get familiar with the is-ought problem?).

      You argue that MS was ruthless? Gee, did you figure that out by yourself? When you were building up your angst when replying, did you read the following disclaimer in my post?

      Removing the typical moral overtones we at /. like to put on things, Gates did a hell of a lot more

      I know that reading is too much to ask from the emotional likes of you, but c'mon. How juvenile and parochial.

      Further, where was I praising MS? Since when pointing out a wrong assertion (that this was mere luck) became a moral praise? Since when giving credit in the ruthless game of business a no-no? It's a historical fact, independently of how your collective sandy vags cry otherwise. Furthermore, you are trying to pin a immoral overtone to my post (nice strawman.) Are you (and those who voted your post as insightful) that stupid? You guys are not just emotionally gullible. You guys are intentionally ignorant of the facts and willingly (and inevitably) e-tarded.

      But your own post, you admit then that it was more than sheer luck (my thesis). So independently of how your moral system reacts to it, if you are honest, you then have to accept that then my assertion is a correct, factual one, independently of the moral overtones (which were not something I argued pro/con... not unless you are dishonest enough to go the strawman way... and if you were, then your posturing would be more about ideological convenience rather than true morality.)

    37. Re:Bill Gates by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      No, it took at lot of illegal coercing of computer manufacturers, embrace/extend/extinguish, breaking monopoly laws, creating broken standards and closed up de-facto standards and generally being assholes. Not luck, but illegal activities. Praising Microsoft is equal to praising the mafia.

      -- -- Linux user #520758

      You remind me a bit of this

      http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-11-002-20-OP-0038

      When I get an attachment I can't open, I respond with something like this.

      I'm sorry, but I can't open the Word document you sent as I don't use Word. Would you mind saving the file in RTF format (under the File menu, choose "Save as.." and select "Rich Text" in the drop-down box) and sending me that as an attachment. In the future, it would be easiest if you would send me documents in that way because, as I said, I and others who don't use Word can't read them in the default format.

      This has the advantages of a) explaining what I want to a secretary or supplier who doesn't realize that you can save documents in different file formats, instead of confusing them with some political badgering about monopolies, bytes, GNU/Linux and Kenya, b) not reinforcing the stereotype that Linux users are rabid, socially dysfunctional pricks and c) not being a jerk to someone who doesn't know any better.

      For that to stick, your audience has to have a modicum of intelligence, social skills, professionalism and plain common sense. Unfortunately, this is /.

    38. Re:Bill Gates by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      That wasn't his only stroke of luck. It was lucky that IBM licensed PC-DOS rather than insisting on buying it outright, lucky that his parents both worked for IBM, lucky that Compaq came along and cloned the IBM's BIOS, and lucky in a lot of other ways.

    39. Re:Bill Gates by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Ask me how I know you have never used OpenSUSE.

    40. Re:Bill Gates by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And there are still people making PDP-11s and using Vax systems. PC will not die completely but the software issue is a lot smaller now than when Microsoft tired this with Windows NT back in the day. Very little software is written in assembly anymore on the PC. That means for many companies all they will have to do is recompile their code. Of course I am talking about for Windows8 for people on Android that will not be an issue at all. Next back in the day people bought software at a store. They still do sometimes but the internet and App stores have made that less common. With digital distributions you don't need to worry about getting the "wrong version" of a program or about warehousing different versions. For many programs they may just use fat binaries that offer both an ARM and X86 code segment. For most software the code is really small it is things like help files, data, and images and sound recourses that take up the most space and those wouldn't change based on ISA.
      Or the App store would just download the correct version to your device. If the Program is written in .Net than that is less of an issue since it uses CLR as the ISA.
      So let's forget the hard categories for a second. We will not see SolidWorks or Call of Duty 8 right away on ARM. So what can we expect on Windows on ARM at Launch?
      I would expect most Microsoft products.
      Office and Visual Studio for sure.
      I would also expect a good number of their game catalog.
      I would also expect a lot of FOSS. If they are already supporting both Linux and Windows they will probably hop on Windows on ARM as well.
      FireFox I think is a sure thing and probably GIMP
      OpenOffice will also be their eventually.
      I also expect Google to support it with Chrome.
      Adobe Flash is a sure bet and I would bet that other Adobe consumer products would be recompiled.
      Nothing is a sure thing but If I was Intel I would be very worried. Maybe Intel does need to make a cruft free X86 but that would break a lot of older software and it would be hard to tell what would and would not run. That could really tick some people off. They could create a new ISA for mobile but they have not done well in that task in the past.
      What I am really sad about is that Alpha is dead. Intel owns the IP from Alpha so I have to wonder could the Alpha be reborn as a competitor to ARM? It has a wonderful ISA and was a really good product.

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    41. Re:Bill Gates by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Does Apple have a look and feel patent on the furniture they use?

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    42. Re:Bill Gates by metamatic · · Score: 1

      IBM picked Microsoft. Some suggest that it may be something to do with IBM CEO John Opel being friends with Bill Gates' mother from their work on the same United Way board.

      (Opinions mine, not IBM's.)

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    43. Re:Bill Gates by doccus · · Score: 1

      Actually, it occurs that if Bill had been running Berkeley then PC-Geos would have been the standard by now.. the reason Windows (which was very crude indeed compared to Geoworks in 1991) took off was directly because of all the prescient moves by an individual with 'no taste'..;-) i.e. Geoworks had nobody else but themselves to blame for a litany of bad decisions, by *every* owner of the marque right up to, and including Breadbox.. although there are just too many differences between them and Microsoft to list, a good example is the developers kits.. MS practically gave them away.. Geos charged a king's ransom for the same.. IMHO only a certifiable IDIOT tries to make a large profit off of devkits, especially if the installed software base is not large... Geos/NDO/Breadbox is proof that the inmates shouldn't run the asylum.. i.e. coders shouldn't run software companies... Bill Gates is the exception to the rule.. to the point that some would argue he's even less gifted a coder than Steve Jobs.. but, like Steve, there's no arguing he knew how to run a software company profitably.....

    44. Re:Bill Gates by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      It was absolutely brilliant. Not only play video while multitasking, but do real-time 3D transforms on it as well. BeOS is actually one of the first pieces of software I ever purchased myself (that's a first, I've finally dated myself on /.), because it was something I wanted to support financially even though it was in the early stages of development. I don't recall how I found out about it, but I got a copy and ran it (and subsequent releases) until it became clear that Be's purchase by Palm was going to end development. That was a sad day.

      As for the timeline, I actually have a copy of Barbarians Led By Bill Gates by Jennifer Edstrom and Marlin Eller, which is an in-depth analysis of exactly the sort of crap they pulled using vaporware to kill competing technologies before they were ready to roll out their own.

      In a lot of ways, I agree it was likely for the overall good of the industry though. Apple, IBM, and Microsoft all wanted control of the world. Apple and IBM also wanted the world to be smaller. So, while I dislike Microsoft a great deal, I have to hand it to them that defeating Apple and IBM was at least a better outcome. Of course, that ignores the possibilities of "what might have been," but then again "what might have been" isn't useful in regards to the world as it currently exists. It can only inform us as to what we might do better in the future.

    45. Re:Bill Gates by AnujMore · · Score: 1

      Microsuck.

  2. I'll answer that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No.

    1. Re:I'll answer that. by SerpentMage · · Score: 2

      I completely agree here...

      The problem with Microsoft is not something one person can solve. The problem with Microsoft is that it competes with every freaken tech company on the planet! You can't run a company where the entire world is your enemy. It is nearly impossible to focus on any particular solution since doing so is the lowest common denominator and that means crap...

      Microsoft needs to split itself apart and then start attacking its competitors....

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    2. Re:I'll answer that. by cgenman · · Score: 1

      The problem with Microsoft is that it has grown big enough and entrenched enough that it is slow to respond to changes. There is a maintenence and creativity cost-per-feature, and MS's software has been feature-ing for years now. They don't generally create light and usable tools like Dropbox, BackpackIt, etc because as a company they entrench teams on fighting for expansion of specific parts of larger applications. They're just not setup to compete with small teams doing strange offshoot things.

      That's not to say it is an insurmountable issue. But MS needs to re-examine how it structures teams if it wants to directly compete with nimbler, younger companies.

    3. Re:I'll answer that. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The problem with Microsoft is that it competes with every freaken tech company on the planet!

      From what I hear each division within the company is practically at war with all the others, so it's competing with itself too. That's rarely a good thing.

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    4. Re:I'll answer that. by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      Well this is part of the problem. Let's say Office wants to create a new release. That means they need feedback from the consumer, the home user, and the professional. These three groups are not necessarily the same group and hence you get the symptom of slow to change. The problem is not slow to change, but the fact that they get so many cross currents.

      When you are a Dropbox you only have one client in mind. If Microsoft had to create dropbox they would have to think of the developer, the enterprise, the home user, the mobile user, etc, etc, etc... It is a big huge problem for them.

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    5. Re:I'll answer that. by fwarren · · Score: 1

      I agree

      Why do you think he left in the first place? So his fingerprints would not be on the decline of Microsoft.

      Look at Windows "rise" through Vista. The code base kept multiplying in size. Requiring larger teams and more management, until the whole thing collapses on itself. The company provided double digit growth EVERY YEAR as the PC market expanded and every business purchased new PCs. Then as business only purchased replacement PCs, the home use market expanded. This trend could not continue on forever. Hell it could not continue on for even another decade.

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    6. Re:I'll answer that. by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      I would agree there...

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    7. Re:I'll answer that. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From what I understand, the Kin is an indicator of what's wrong with MS. MS bought Danger with the idea of making feature phones. Danger made the popular phones widely but incorrectly known as Sidekicks that was popular with teenagers. The initial plan was to launch new products 6 months after the purchase. It was ambitious but workable plan.

      Then MS executives started making a series of decisions that doomed it. First of all Danger used Java. That was never going to be allowed at MS. Project Pink would have to use CE. This would seriously delay any launch plans.

      At the same time, there were feudal wars. See MS already has a phone division. While Windows Mobile was more of a business phone than consumer model, they had their own ideas and strategy for a consumer model that would become WP7. Unfortunately the rumor is that the Mobile division denied programming resources to Project Pink so they had to make the migration from Java to CE by themselves. Remember most of the Project Pink members were former Danger employees.

      Had the Kin came out in 6 months, it might been a successful product. The market was changing while Project Pink was stuck in development battles. While texting is still popular, the focus was shifting to twitter and FaceBook. These features were bolted onto the product adding further delay. Other features like Calendar and contacts were delayed.

      By the time the Kin was launched 18 months late, it was noticeable that the product had no clear identity and was rushed out. It was not a smart phone because it did not really have apps, yet it was not a feature phone either especially at smart phone prices. It was buggy and lacked basic features.

      MS cut their losses early on it. Six months later, Verizon relaunched it as a feature phone with numerous fixes. While sales figures are not cited, it is assumed Verizon sold off their inventory.

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    8. Re:I'll answer that. by somersault · · Score: 1

      When you are a Dropbox you only have one client in mind. If Microsoft had to create dropbox they would have to think of the developer, the enterprise, the home user, the mobile user, etc, etc, etc... It is a big huge problem for them.

      What is the one client that Dropbox has in mind? Because I'm a developer who uses it at work, home and on my mobile devices.. the whole point in Dropbox is that it is meant to be used everywhere.

      I think the key difference here is that Dropbox is designed to do one relatively simple task (share files), whereas Office has many branches, each of which has many, many uses and features.

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    9. Re:I'll answer that. by Bent+Spoke · · Score: 1

      Yes, and claiming they can increase revenue from cracking down on China software pirates is a clear sign of how desperate Balmer has become...

    10. Re:I'll answer that. by xeno · · Score: 2

      Danger made the popular phones widely but incorrectly known as Sidekicks

      Wrong. Why would you start out with an incorrect, inflammatory, weird statement like this? You have some interesting points re how Microsoft made every wrong move conceivable WRT the acquisition of Danger and its products, but credibility==zero hen you start off with some nit-picky undies-too-tight pronouncement. And you make it mildly fun to pick on you.

      For the record, Danger's "Hiptop" phone platform was sold under the Hiptop name outside the US for the first three versions. In the US, T-Mobile was the sole provider, and the formal name for the product was "Sidekick" for versions 1,2 & 3. The Hiptop branding was dropped entirely when Danger T-Mobile released the Sharp-mfr'd SIdekick iD, though the name continued to be used by some developers for internal reference designs. Do you still insist on saying "Touchdown" instead of Microsoft Exchange Server? The Sidekick iD was followed by the Sidekick LX, Sidekick Slide (mfr'd by Motorola), Sidekick 2008, and Sidekick LX'09 (aka Mobiflip). Long before the Microsoft's acquisition of Danger, "Sidekick" was the effectively-sole product and branding.

      As for MSFT's series of missteps, you largely have the sequence right. I would add, though, that Microsoft's 18-month-late launch pissed of Verizon product managers so badly that Verizon dropped all voice and data plan discounts and rebates at Pink's launch, effectively requiring a $100/month plan for a teen phone. Microsoft may have beaten Pink within an inch of its life, but Verizon put the final nail in the coffin by making it grossly unaffordable to its target market.

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    11. Re:I'll answer that. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      First of all everyone in the consumer world referred to phones made by Danger whether it was the Hiptop or the MobiFlip as Sidekicks whether that was the correct name or not. Just like consumers call every web search these days "googling" even if the user is using Bing or Yahoo. Your point about nit-picking is rather ironic as you are the one seems to come off as an anal-retentive asshole. I simply made one statement; you turned it into a diatribe.

      Second of all, the problem with Verizon data pricing wasn't due 100% to the late launch. The Kin used data services like smartphones especially for all the social networking features and was sold for smartphone prices. So if you are Verizon, why would you charge less for the data? When the Kin was relaunched it required no data plan as much of the social networking features had been stripped and the Kin reclassed as a feature phone.

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    12. Re:I'll answer that. by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      I like to frame the problems Microsoft faces as J Allard vs. Steve Ballmer.

  3. What? by symes · · Score: 2

    With Buffett and a few others pitching in to help the Gates Foundation I hardly think the Foundation is reliant on MS. Also, I would hardly think Gates would be interesting in "saving" what is still a very profitable organisation - he's much more into pushing boundaries.

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      With Buffett and a few others pitching in to help the Gates Foundation I hardly think the Foundation is reliant on MS.

      If they are then there's something seriously wrong. It would be irresponsible to leave such a large charitable foundation massively exposed to the performance of a single company.

    2. Re:What? by fwarren · · Score: 0

      Take a look at Steve Jobs idea of the future back in the 1980's ... we are living it today.

      Take a look at Bill Gates idea of the future back in the 80's or 90...he missed it. He even missed it on spam being a thing of the past and Microsoft would get it done in 5 years.

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    3. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hardly think the Foundation is reliant on MS

      I would expect that Bill Gates' wealth varies considerably with the Microsoft share price. Therefore if Microsoft does well the Foundation does better. Microsoft's stock hasn't been doing so well in the last few years, especially compared to its competition. If you bought Apple stock in January 2009, you've quadrupled your money. If you bought Microsoft, you've gained 20%.

    4. Re:What? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't know about everyone else, but for me, spam, while not "a thing of the past", isn't really much of a big deal any more. However, this isn't thanks to Microsoft, it's thanks to Google and Gmail. Almost all the spam I get goes straight into my "Spam" folder, and I don't have to deal with it.

    5. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno... If you look at Gates' and Allen's ideas from the 70s and early 80s, a lot of it did come true. That's how they got in the position to become billionaires. They saw the potential of selling BASIC interpreters to home users, at a time when most people would have thought that was crazy.

      I heard somewhere that Bill Gates said that 1970s BASIC interpreter was the best work he ever did. I believe it. I was reading parts of Paul Allen's autobiography (I basically skipped the boring parts where he talks about going into space and buying sports teams), and it really is impressive what they accomplished in those early days.

  4. Not so sure by KSobby · · Score: 1

    Technology is becoming social graph driven. Do we really want a socially inept person running a tech company that claims to be moving in a social direction (as evidenced by Bing's most recent commercial)?

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    1. Re:Not so sure by yahwotqa · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The sad part is that Ballmer is even more socially inept. He's just a clown in a tie.

    2. Re:Not so sure by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bing actually has a good market share in US now - 30%. And by market demographics those who use Bing tend to be richer, better educated people.

      You mean the kind of people who could afford to buy a computer or laptop but could not afford the time to change from the default MS recommended one?

    3. Re:Not so sure by miffo.swe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bing has about 8% in the US and about 3% worldwide according to statcounter and most other sources. 30% is a dream number bing hasnt even been close to. I have never ever heard of seodesignsolutions before but as their numbers are very different from the established players i call bullshit on their statistics until correlated from more respected sources.

      For all we know seodesignsolutions might just be a shell setup by Bing PHBs trying to get atleast one payment for good performance in their lifetime.

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    4. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technology is becoming social graph driven...

      What the fuck does that even mean? Stop reading blogs about startups. "inventing" a way for your friends to know you just stepped into a restaurant and ordered a taco, and that is was delicious... is a far cry from a flying car, new energy source, or cure for cancer.

      All Microsoft has to do is be good at what it does. Be a good provider of video game consoles, search engine results, computer and cell phone operating systems. And now I guess, do something with Skype. But none of that has anything to do with the marketing spammers wet-dream that is social media. "Oh sorry Bill, I know you started the company and led it through its most profitable years, but you need more facebook friends."

    5. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, why would they? Bing is not a bad search engine. Most of the hate for it on slashdot probably comes from the fact it's from Microsoft.

      I actually do SEO as my job. Unlike Google, Bing tends to put more value for links inside good content. Google on the other hands count all kinds of links. That is why you see link spam on blogs, slashdot and all kinds of places. Everyone is gaming Google. Bing on the other hand puts more weight on quality. You see a lot less search engine spam on Bing.

    6. Re:Not so sure by Denogh · · Score: 1
      It goes on to explain those numbers and why Bing has the older demo:

      The difference can be largely explained by the fact that Bing is the default search engine for IE. Users who either switch the default search engine or use a different browser generally prefer Google. This also means, most likely, Bing users are less tech-savvy than Google users, though that is not something the metrics can show conclusively.

      Having worked tech support jobs, I have no doubt that this is the case.

    7. Re:Not so sure by walternate · · Score: 1

      Well, why would they? Bing is not a bad search engine. Most of the hate for it on slashdot probably comes from the fact it's from Microsoft.

      Partly that, and partly the strange fact that only US (and recently UK I think) really have Bing. In other countries around the world it is the old crappy solution, plastered with Bing logo and a tiny "beta" tag. If I search on "Bing" in my country, the result is utter crap. If I search on US Bing I find it quite nice.

      Why someone would do something like this to their brand is difficult to understand.

    8. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wtf why is this marked -1 troll? MS haters at it again...

    9. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Google has the same kind of problem. Not as large, sure. But where US has all these recipes, product search, news etc custom searches, they're completely missing in other countries.

      However, the main results are quite good. But just noting that forgetting other than US countries is not uncommon for Google either. This even while Google has a few datacenters hosted here.

    10. Re:Not so sure by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      no it's not. a very small portion of the industry in social graph driven, and a very small portion of that portion is making any kind of revenue (shareholders are faring a little better though, and have a vested interest in keeping that bubble alive).

      back in the real world, real users willing to pay real money for something that provides a real service is still the norm.

      I don't remember billg having any kind of aura though. Actually, i don't really see a difference between him and Ballmer, apart from chair throwing. When he was running it, MS was even worse at consumer stuff, at getting into new things (remember how long it took them to tackle the internet in any sort of way ?)...

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    11. Re:Not so sure by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      Actually, MS is Windows - Office - Outlook - Sharepoint. I'm not even sure if Sharepoint is for revenue yet, or just lock-in.

      http://www.tannerhelland.com/2962/where-does-microsoft-make-its-money-2010/

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    12. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      I deal with the "richer and more educated".. by that I mean the type of people that put a 68" TV inset in the wall and this is their smallest TV for just the kids. they have 5,000,00+ homes use crestron home automation and AV control and call their Corvette Z06 the cheap weekend toy.

      Guess what they have at home..... APPLE PC's and laptops.

      and they certainly dont use Bing.

      This is just with the 300+ clients I have. All making 7-9 figures yearly.

    13. Re:Not so sure by MaroonMotor · · Score: 1

      Indeed, the perfect demographic for marketers - Have lots of money, not as much taste and will willingly accept whatever is shoveled to them. Whats not to like about that demographic?

    14. Re:Not so sure by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      This is actually a pretty interesting point. Ballmer is clearly the business side, and you'd think from that he'd be socially adept. Gates is clearly all geek, and appears to be borderline Autistic on occasion, and you'd expect him to be socially inept. Yet as TFA points out, Gates has that something that makes you listen to him, makes you consider his words, makes him a leader. Ballmer doesn't and it's not something you can fake.

      I'm not a Gates fan, or a Microsoft fan, but I don't think you have to admire someone to admit their strengths, and Bill Gates clearly has an almost unsurpassed ability to judge the merits of an idea, and turn a vision into reality. It's the same kind of ability that Jobs, and even Linus and RMS have. None of them is perfect, none of them always picks right, but all of them have combination of vision, follow through, and a certain kind of charisma that gets other people nodding their heads and reaching for their wallets (Obviously with RMS and Linus it's more of a figurative wallet).

      Unfortunately (or fortunately if you prefer) I don't think it's enough to "save" MS. For one thing, I'm not sure MS needs "saving" yet. They're increasingly irrelevant when it comes to new and innovative ideas, but they're still making money hand over fist, and that isn't likely to change for a decade or so. Until things get really bad (which will require that death or near death of the desktop and laptop as platforms, an event at least ten years away) no one person is going to be able to fix the corporate culture. Part of the reason Jobs was able to have the affect he did on Apple, was that Apple was at rock bottom when they brought him back. People that otherwise might have resisted him or tried to maintain the status quo knew that this was probably the company's very last chance. Microsoft just isn't there yet.

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    15. Re:Not so sure by yahwotqa · · Score: 1

      I agree. Microsoft, despite all their more or less succesful attempts to other fields, has established a large userbase with Windows, MSOffice, and few other products in enterprise sector. Despite their shortcomings, these products work, and everyone is used to the way they work (or malfunction), and this allows MS to rake in money hand over fist, as you say.
      They may be in the rut when it comes to innovation (not counting the recent Ribbon weirdness), but they're still strong economically, and continue to be for years to come.

    16. Re:Not so sure by peragrin · · Score: 1

      MSFT has two "products" that make them money. Windows and Office.

      You take either one away, and the rest of the company will collapse into itself quickly. Xbox technically still isn't profitable. all the money MSFT spent on Xbox has yet to be earned back as revenue. (it is getting close though)

      Bing, Xbox, windows Live. Only MSFT can afford to spend billions to keep money losing operations going for a decade before they finally start to become profitable.

      That is how much MSFT rely's on Windows and Office sales. If someone made Office even slightly less relevant then MSFT is literally screwed. Sure they won't go down quickly, or quietly there is too much money at stake. Tablets running android are an extreme threat to Windows. because it show options exist. Intel can survive but Windows 8 if it doesn't have a decent touch UI available with MSFT Office also having a decent hybrid touch UI then it too will be available then it will start to become less relevant.

      Personally I want Ballmer in charge of MSFT for the next 10 years. He has no vision, and little personality. He can drag down MSFT the way John scully dragged down Apple. Marketing departments always destroy what they touch.

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    17. Re:Not so sure by yahwotqa · · Score: 1

      This was not meant as a flamebait. I just can't imagine anyone trusting the guy when I see him giving a speech or posing for a photo.
      Just try search on "steve ballmer" on Google Images, and then try "bill gates". Which of those two would you trust more with your money, based purely on these photos (admittedly biased by media interest in celebrities' wacky behavior) ?

    18. Re:Not so sure by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Google News? I live in a small country and I get a very personalized view - plenty of news from national newspapers, a section with news just about my country, etc.

      Recipes depends on the sites semantically tagging their recipes, using hRecipe. Sites like Tudo Gostoso, even though it's in Portuguese, appear fine since they tag their recipes (you can find the hRecipe marks in its source).

    19. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are describing is not what most people would call 'richer', it's what most people would call 'rich'.

    20. Re:Not so sure by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think Ballmer is a manager and as such he would be a Preisdent or COO. As CEO, he needs to be more of a leader. Gates has more of the vision that a CEO needs. Now Gates like any other leader could be completely wrong about the direction the company needs to go; however, under Ballmer the direction of the company has mostly been reactionary rather than proactive.

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    21. Re:Not so sure by hal2814 · · Score: 2

      "He can drag down MSFT the way John scully dragged down Apple."

      Come on, now. Scully is in an elite group. His only peers in his industry are John Akers and maybe Jack Tramiel. At best, Ballamer will be a Carly Fiorina.

    22. Re:Not so sure by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Well, why would they? Bing is not a bad search engine.

      'Not bad' doesn't cut it. Google is better. It's not a matter of MS being involved, it's a matter of what gives better results.

    23. Re:Not so sure by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason Jobs was able to have the affect he did on Apple, was that Apple was at rock bottom when they brought him back. People that otherwise might have resisted him or tried to maintain the status quo knew that this was probably the company's very last chance. Microsoft just isn't there yet.

      Yep, it's just like dealing with alcoholics and drug addicts. You're not going to get them to change early on, before a lot of damage is done; you have to wait for them to hit rock bottom before they'll admit that they need to change. Unfortunately, by waiting that long, a severe toll is taken on their health (liver for alcoholics, brain for certain drug addicts like meth), and they'll never really be healthy again, and will probably die early.

    24. Re:Not so sure by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Intel's not going anywhere; they dominate the high-end processor space, not only for servers but for desktops too, and laptops too. AMD is a fraction of their size and doesn't have nearly the fab capacity. Intel's been investing a ton into Linux over the last decade too, because they've seen the writing on the wall.

      However, I'm not sure I see how MS Office is going to become less relevant if it doesn't have a touch UI. There simply isn't much competition for it, only OpenOffice (plus its twin LibreOffice), and a few minor other Free programs/suites like Koffice, Abiword, etc. None of these have been exactly innovative (certainly no touch UIs), though from their point-of-view, it's not necessary, all they really need to do is provide a modern office suite that's "good enough" to handle a typical corporate drone's word processing and spreadsheet needs. It's MS that has to convince people/companies that their Office is really worth hundreds of dollars per copy, instead of just using one of the free alternatives.

      Last time I was in a H&R Block office, I noticed all their PCs have OpenOffice installed, not MS Office. H&R Block is easily the biggest tax prep firm in the country (they seem to have an office on every block here, almost like Starbucks), so that's one really big customer that MS is missing. If other large companies go that way, MS is going to be hurting since Office is their cash cow and they won't survive without it.

    25. Re:Not so sure by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Please don't insult monkeys that way. For one thing, this guy is about 300 pounds too heavy to be a monkey. But don't insult gorillas either, because he doesn't look anywhere near as handsome as a gorilla, nor as athletic.

    26. Re:Not so sure by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think he was referring to the $250k/year crowd, not the megayacht-buying crowd.

    27. Re:Not so sure by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I have to agree; I don't know where this weird BillG-loving revisionist history is coming from. Prior to 2000, MS still wasn't very good; successful, sure, because of a vacuum in the market for decent OSes at a decent price (this is probably partly thanks to Apple being so mismanaged at the time), and due to lock-in and inertia. What exactly did MS come up with back then? Windows 95 and 98 (and then the abomination that was Me), and NT. They pushed and pushed and used every dirty trick in the book to make Office the de facto standard for offices. But innovation? Nope; as you said, look at how late they were to the internet game, trying instead to push everyone into MSN.

      Bill has never had the kind of coolness or flair that Steve Jobs has.

    28. Re:Not so sure by arkenian · · Score: 1

      I'm not a Gates fan, or a Microsoft fan, but I don't think you have to admire someone to admit their strengths, and Bill Gates clearly has an almost unsurpassed ability to judge the merits of an idea, and turn a vision into reality. It's the same kind of ability that Jobs, and even Linus and RMS have. None of them is perfect, none of them always picks right, but all of them have combination of vision, follow through, and a certain kind of charisma that gets other people nodding their heads and reaching for their wallets (Obviously with RMS and Linus it's more of a figurative wallet).

      I feel obliged to point out that, at least in the case of Linus (and even to some extent RMS), the wallet isn't that figurative, even if its not necessarily as large as that Microsoft reaches for. IIRC Linus makes a salary that I certainly wouldn't turn down, and Linux in general is big business with major investments from some very serious companies. As RMS says, we need to not confuse 'free software' with 'free as in beer' especially these days...

    29. Re:Not so sure by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      I do believe that office software is the chink in MSFT's armor. It's far easier to replace, and has a vastly lower degree of associated hassles than switching to another OS does.

      It's amusing to think that MSFT would probably prefer people to pirate MS Office than to forgo it and install OpenOffice. I'm sure they'd never confirm that was the case, but I have a hunch it's true.

    30. Re:Not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amusing to think that MSFT would probably prefer people to pirate MS Office than to forgo it and install OpenOffice. I'm sure they'd never confirm that was the case, but I have a hunch it's true.

      Pretty good hunch:

      "Although about three million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
      - Bill Gates, Fortune Magazine, July 20th, 1998

  5. new Steve Jobs by rvr777 · · Score: 2

    They are trying to make a new Steve Jobs? The one that comes back to save the day? WTF?

    1. Re:new Steve Jobs by lennier1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does that mean they'll soon need Apple to save their collective asses?

    2. Re:new Steve Jobs by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Yes, but then Apple would just be paying them back for the $150M bailout that Microsoft gave to Apple in 1997.

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    3. Re:new Steve Jobs by BancBoy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but then Apple would just be paying them back for the $150M bailout that Microsoft gave to Apple in 1997.

      Spin much? Microsoft made money on your so-called bailout.

      Microsoft purchased $150 million of non-voting Apple stock as part of a resolution to a long running legal dispute over their use of certain features that resembled those used in the Mac. The stock was later sold back to Apple for a profit.

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    4. Re:new Steve Jobs by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      MS gave them money in exchange for non-voting stock at a time they really needed money. I see no problem with using the term bailout for this. It is quite likely without this help bailing out the boat, it would have sank.

    5. Re:new Steve Jobs by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Just because Microsoft may or may not have made more money on it does not change it from an Apple perspective, does it?

      After all, Apple had every opportunity to not take the money...

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    6. Re:new Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      MS was nearly going to lose a case to Apple regarding QuickTime code used in Windows Media. It was included as part of the contract work MS paid San Francisco Canyon Company for (Apple used same firm to develop QuickTime for Windows). MS was near losing until they pull out the MS Office for Mac card. When Jobs came back, instead of going to court to fight it out, he made a deal that benefited both companies strategically. Apple got $150 million by selling MS AAPL for market value (non-voting and not to be sold off for at least a number of years). Apple got MS to commit to making Office for Mac for at least 5 years. MS got Apple to drop the suit which may have cost them a lot more than $150 million. MS also got Apple to agree to make IE default browser (during their war with Netscape). Both companies crossed licensed each other's IP portfolio for 5 years.

      I think the $150 million was trivial compared to a commitment from MS to continue to support the Mac with Office, IE and MSN. It showed that the most powerful tech firm supported Apple's continued existence when most people were writing Apple off. Apple was losing money in the billions from 1995 to 1997. Even then, they were generating $1.3 billion to nearly $2 billion revenue per quarter in that period between 1996 and 1997. $150 million was a lot, but it was not quite bailout level.

    7. Re:new Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having talked with 5 top-level MSFT directors about this question in a conference call, I can tell that (at least up to them) Bill Gates will not come back.

      Never Ever.

      Whether or not reality will match MSFT's declarations remains to be seen but if it proved to be the case, that would be an encouraging premiere.

    8. Re:new Steve Jobs by randyleepublic · · Score: 0

      I said this a long time ago: Gates propped up the esteemed Mr. Ballmer specifically so that this situation would event. He too wants the Jobs salvation hero mantle.

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  6. Gates Is Not The Answer by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bill Gates is not the answer for Microsoft, but changing leadership is. They have become sloth-like in their old age and have become a market follower rather than a market leader.

    MS probably needs to remove one or two levels of management to allow things to speed up again. Ideas and progress are slowed by too many filters.

    1. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by 1s44c · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates is not the answer for Microsoft, but changing leadership is. They have become sloth-like in their old age and have become a market follower rather than a market leader.

      Become? They have been a market follower since always.

    2. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by wisty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but they used to catch up with the guys they were chasing.

    3. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by WuphonsReach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      MS probably needs to remove one or two levels of management to allow things to speed up again. Ideas and progress are slowed by too many filters.

      Too many management layers and probably too many of the wrong people have been promoted over the years. It's not going to be as easy as saying "replace Balmer". Whoever takes over is going to have to do some serious housecleaning to get rid of those people who are making the decisions to ship bad products.

      They should have done what the anti-trust fans wanted done years ago. Split the company up into at least 3 major segments and spin things off. Shove the MS-Office bunch into their own company, shove the server folks into their own company, shove the hardware products into yet another company, etc.

      Which cuts down on the layers of bureaucracy and forces those product lines to compete on merit instead of relying on other corporate cash cows (or being used as a cash cow).

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    4. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      No, not always. They did a few cool and interesting things. Their business practices then became like the people they were battling: proprietary, herding, FUD-driven, and obfuscatory to the max.

      Then they pitted divisions against each other, used darwinian project management and became slaves to Wall Street, this ending any morality that was left.

      Gates as a leader? No. Visionary? A bit of one, but that's lost to the mythos of others these days.

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    5. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by delinear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If by "catch up" you mean "buy out". The biggest problem MS now face is that their competitors are no longer the little guys with great ideas but insufficient capital to own the market, easily bought out or out-marketed, they're the very big guys and they're already reasonably entrenched in their own market segments.

    6. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      [Microsoft has] become a market follower rather than a market leader.

      When was Microsoft ever a market leader?

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    7. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by Pieroxy · · Score: 1

      No, not always. They did a few cool and interesting things.

      Care to share one example?

    8. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      For instance: Microsoft developed the MultiMedia II spec that hardware systems builders were supposed to adhere to. It contained a basic set of specs that included a CD-ROM, minimum screen and color resolution, and it imposed a discipline on systems design.

      Another instance: they actually listened to developers and united the code bases for Windows into Windows 2000 from the DOS branch, and the Win32 branch.

      What they do wrong? Out of Memory Error in 29

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    9. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by Elbereth · · Score: 1

      Windows 2000 didn't unite shit. It was just NT4 with USB support, basically. The MS DOS codebase was simply deleted, not united.

    10. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by alukin · · Score: 1

      Market leader? Are you nuts?!! Sales leader - may be. All that they are good in is selling shit.

    11. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      No, not really. While MS DOS was whacked, the Win95/98/98SE/ME editions were kinda sorta merged into NT4. Eventually, there was kinda maybe two API sets, one for desktops, and one for "servers".

      As we both know, the results were "something for everyone!". I've tracked 61 separate server and desktop versions *currently*. Windows everywhere, or something silly like that.

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    12. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But shipping bad products worked for them for so long!

    13. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has always been a market follower of sorts. They keep a close eye on the waters and pounce when they see something they think is going to be huge. Rarely has Microsoft started something from the ground up and promoted it to market dominance. They partner or acquire when they see the potential. This philosophy goes all the way back to the beginning, when they bought DOS.

      While Microsoft has become market leader in some sectors, mostly it is after they have been a market follower and bought their way to the top. Keep an eye on the virtualization market. Microsoft is WAY behind. Just like they were WAY behind Novell. Put Gates back at the helm and I would not be surprised if VMware became enemy number one. There is big money in virtualization and Microsoft wants it all, at all cost. Ballmer is too much of a dolt to figure out how to take over a market.

    14. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1st thing Steve Jobs did when he returned to Apple was to go through every department in Apple and ask them what they did and why they are important. He then proceeded to cut down departments that were not immediately productive to Apple's business, cut 20% work force across all departments (which included me), took away benefits that Apple couldn't afford to provide (4 months sabbatical), etc. There were a lot of pain all around. But in reflection, it was the right thing to do. If someone at Microsoft can do that, they're at least going the right direction.

    15. Re:Gates Is Not The Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not have Facebook and Microsoft merge with Mark "I'm the CEO, bitch!" Zuckerberg as the new CEO? Facebook and Microsoft are already pretty good business allies as is, Zuckerberg seems more capable of vision than Ballmer ever was, and bringing in a CEO by grafting another company on top of Microsoft would allow for a quick change of corporate culture.

      One of the best things that Steve Jobs does is recognize when to cannibalize products internally before they get cannibalized externally. By putting a fresh face in charge of Microsoft, the company could go through some spring cleaning without major political baggage. It would also put in charge of Microsoft someone who has proven to be able to scrape together a vision forward better its current CEO.

  7. Let them swim on their own... by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Honestly if companies like Microsoft and Apple can't do without their great leaders then they need to sink forever in to the abyss. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs aren't going to live forever no matter how much money they have to get human parts to replace things like Jobs did. You can't even stick their heads in jars like Futurama did. Although I would be highly be amused if they ever did manage that one for real.

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    1. Re:Let them swim on their own... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Honestly if companies like Microsoft and Apple can't do without their great leaders then they need to sink forever in to the abyss.

      A recent Fortune article reported that Jobs set up an "Apple University" inside the company where rising executives study Harvard-MBA-style Apple business cases to learn why and how Jobs et al made decisions that led Apple to where it is today--trying to imprint Jobs' business acumen DNA on the next generation of Apple leadership. So it looks like his medical condition has scared the company enough to start seriously preparing for Life After Jobs. And the company's performance during his two recent medical leaves of absence suggests that those preparations are working pretty well.

    2. Re:Let them swim on their own... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just MS and Apple. All companies tend to lose their charm and melt away into corporate conformity once their founders are out of the picture. It's the founder who injects the sense of personality into the company. I think this character which the founder imbues into his company is very important for young companies, especially those which cater to consumers. I think that's why young technology companies tend to be run by people with rockstar-like personalities: Dell, Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, Schmidt, et al.

      I think bringing Gates back would be the best thing Microsoft could do for their bottom line and their stock.

    3. Re:Let them swim on their own... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm going to offer a workshop that teaches the same sort of thing, but I won't focus just on Jobs. On day one you will throw Newtons, and on day two you will throw chairs.

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    4. Re:Let them swim on their own... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TIL that courier is almost as loud as caps.

    5. Re:Let them swim on their own... by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Nice sentiment, but if Bill G. is the right person for the job right now the board should hire him.

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    6. Re:Let them swim on their own... by recharged95 · · Score: 1

      Jobs and Gates operated their respective companies during their high times.

      Cutting corners, cheating, monopolizing, data exploitation, competition smashing, whatever you call it they were very successful bringing their companies to the forefront (in the eyes of consumers or wall street).

      But it's obvious they didn't learn about process, repeatability, and [real] standards. And TFA sort of says the cultures at MS and Apple don't care anyway (which is why their companies must operate with their original founders). Creating a culture that instills process, we avoid our well known 'hit by the bus' scenario with 'star employees'/management. Though a crappy side effect is that people/talent are replaceable, creating a culture that respects process will allow a company to stay relevant, even if the CEO position becomes a revolving door (HP for example).

      This is typical of intelligent folks building product--who cares if the next guy that needs to manage this has the intelligence of a 12yr old. Problem is that situation is the norm rather than the exception. Just ask IBM, GE, Oracle, Ti, Moto, Intel, Exxon, Dupont, or any defense contractor (which all deal with high tech... hardware and software).


      And don't worry, Google with ultimately face the same fate. That's unless Larry ends up being another Jerry Yang.

  8. Retired by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he's retired. Ballmer is doing fine, that's a false premise for the debate.

  9. It's the by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 2

    developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.

    1. Re:It's the by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      developers, developers, developers, developers, developers.

      If you keep repeating it...

      developers, developers, developers, deviloperas, Devil Opras!

  10. It's not as bad as looks like by LavouraArcaica · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For me, Bill Gates is the symbol of the junk-microsoft: DOS, windows 3.1; 95; 98; Me. As far as I see the history of Microsoft, since Gates left the CEO chair, things are slightly better. And, finally, the problem isn't Ballmer, but the fact that a company can't be the only big player in the entire sector forever.

    1. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by zlogic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and after Ballmer fully gained control, Microsoft released Vista. XP doesn't count because it's Windows 2000 with Fischer-Price icons and some end-user stuff ported from Windows ME.

    2. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by miffo.swe · · Score: 2

      Exactly my thought, those who long for Gates must have very short memories.

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    3. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 1

      Hedge fund managers don't care is MS succeeds or fails. All they want is a change in management to drive the stock price up, so they can then sell their stock and make a profit.

    4. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by diegocg · · Score: 2

      For me, Bill Gates is the symbol of the dynamic (and yes, also monopolist) Microsoft that got his OS on every personal computing device on earth. He was part of the Microsoft that was able kill any competitor cloning his software and improving it until it was the best choice, even if the tech was not the best. The most close thing these days is Google's Chrome (yes, IMO the tech under it -Javascript/DOM- is crap)

    5. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me, Bill Gates is the symbol of the junk-microsoft: DOS, windows 3.1; 95; 98; Me.

      As far as I see the history of Microsoft, since Gates left the CEO chair, things are slightly better.

      And, finally, the problem isn't Ballmer, but the fact that a company can't be the only big player in the entire sector forever.

      For me, Bill Gates is the symbol of the junk-microsoft: DOS, windows 3.1; 95; 98; Me.

      As far as I see the history of Microsoft, since Gates left the CEO chair, things are slightly better.

      And, finally, the problem isn't Ballmer, but the fact that a company can't be the only big player in the entire sector forever.

      You my friend must be a young kid and have no earthly idea what the hell you are talking about Dos, Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 were revolutionary. You should take a look at what was available at that time in history.

    6. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Hey WIndows 95 and 98 didn't suck. Sure Windows 2000 and XP where big improvements but at the time 95 and 98 where big leaps forward. Windows 95 was when the PC actually caught up with the Amiga from 1985 in many ways.

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    7. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      You my friend must be a young kid and have no earthly idea what the hell you are talking about Dos, Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 were revolutionary. You should take a look at what was available at that time in history.

      Like, say, Sun workstations? Or Macs?

      Windows was 'revolutionary' only because it was cheap; that's why I had a Windows laptop at home wihle I had a Sun at work. But it was really doing nothing that hadn't already been done long before by other companies.

    8. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by partyguerrilla · · Score: 1

      And proper DHCP. I still am of the opinion that all those issues with Vista were caused by OEMs desperately shipping it with laptops that had no business in running it, and not by Vista being a terrible OS. Most other complaints came from Windows UAC; windows-only people were not used to running proper security on our computers, so of course they hated to have to type their password more than once.

    9. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If memory serves me correctly, MS changed the specifications on what Vista could run on at the urging of Intel who would have had millions of video chipsets that were not Vista compatible. So it really is MS' own fault for that debacle. Internally, MS execs like J Allard disagreed with that decision. What did Ballmer do? Nothing. As for UAC, that only showed users the insecurity of Windows as so many actions required admin level privileges as opposed to the Unix model where the separation between users and admins had been done long ago.

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    10. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      give me a break. dos, win3.1, 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista, Win7 and all the server releases are what we call progress.

      What prey tell, magic OS were you running instead of DOS?

      A Mac Lisa? IIc? Com64?

      Except for OS/2, windows has driven the PC industry and the entire IT market since I got into it almost 20 years ago

    11. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates made poor products, insecure and buggy, and sold them extremely well. So in essence, people are now calling for better product, but in reality, they not only need better products, but a much better salesman than Ballmer.

    12. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, and Windows 98 were all amazing when they were new. I don't believe your point is valid.

    13. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      During gate's time there was improvement culminating with the release of 2K arround the time gates left the CEO position (the retail release was after gates left but apparently the final version had been released to partners before that) which brought together the stability of the NT core with important features like plug and play.

      Since ballmer took over we got

      1: ME, a last ditch attempt at a maintinance release to the 9x line which turned out to be even less stable than 98
      2 :XP which was 2K with a "fisher price" interface, a crippled edition for home users and a
      3: a lull of over 5 year with no new desktop OS releases though there was a bigger than usual service pack for XP
      4: vista which was widely received as being awful (in microsofts "defence" this was mostly because the hit of creeping bloat was taken all at once)
      5: finally we got win7 which was widely viewed as an improvement over vista though they insisted on pissing people off by removing the "classic" option for no obvious reason.

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    14. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Whe I say "removing the classic option" I should clarify, there is a theme that looks sorta like 98/2K/classic mode XP but behaviourally it's far more like normal win7 than it is like those systems

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    15. Re:It's not as bad as looks like by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      How old are you?

      Windows 98 was when Windows 95 finally grew up. It's very much like the progression from Windows 2000 to Windows XP.

      Windows 95 was soundly trashed by OS/2 Warp which came out slightly before it.

      Windows 95 was a big leap forward but that doesn't mean that it didn't suck. It DID suck, it just sucked less than previous MS Windows releases.

  11. amazon by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    MS may want to acquire their way into a profitable market, such as eBay or Amazon, (eBay is cheaper and they'd get PayPal with it), and then if they do get Skype, they could come up with tech to do 'peer-to-peer' sales, something that eBay/Amazon don't offer because they don't have that kind of tech and something Skype doesn't offer, because it's not their business, but if they did something like that, they could then have an online bank, an online retailer, an communications company all in one package, and in the current world, where their business model of selling OS and Office is slowly eroding away, they will have to be thinking about more online presence and shifting to these markets, that have plenty of opportunity to evolve further... or maybe I am totally off base.

    1. Re:amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if they do get Skype, they could come up with tech to do 'peer-to-peer' sales, something that eBay/Amazon don't offer because they don't have that kind of tech

      Do you realize that eBay used to own Skype, don't you?

      or maybe I am totally off base

      Yes.

    2. Re:amazon by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I know they used to own it, they couldn't figure out what to do with it, even though it was staring right into their faces. They can't think beyond their current box.

    3. Re:amazon by miffo.swe · · Score: 2

      The problem is that whatever Microsoft buys gets tainted by their bad rep amongst users and soon abandoned. Just look at how many jumped ship from Yahoo as soon as Bing took over their search results.

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    4. Re:amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is how MS became what it is. If they didnt have it, they acquired it. Usually they wouldnt grab the 'best of breed' ones they grab a also ran player and make it best of breed.

      Online is decent but it is not 100% of where it is at. There is still a huge market for 'offline'. Not everyone has a 50MB symmetrical fiber line to their house. Oh dont get me wrong online things will help them. But not nearly as much as people think. There have been very few serious successes in the online market. At least not at the scale MS needs to have it considered a success. The only ones I can think of are the ones you mentioned and maybe oracle, oh and google. The rest have withered and died and are not around anymore in any real sense.

      When people talk about MS being stagnant they are talking really about the stock price. Flat since the handover. They have too many shares outstanding and a management that is seen as slow and lumbering. They are still wildly profitable and little debt load. MS was Bill gates. That is why people are wanting him back. He was not very technically innovative. But as a businessman he is ruthless. That is in their DNA. Without the head it is being torn apart by the infighting and morass that has seized them.

    5. Re:amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon's market cap as of today is $88 billion, eBay is $40 billion. Factor in a 50 percent markup and I don't think even Microsoft has that kind of money. And it would have to be a friendly merger, and I'm sure Amazon, for one, would not be interested. Not sure about eBay, but why would MS blow their entire cash hoard on that? What platform does MS get out of it that synergizes with the rest of what they're offering?

    6. Re:amazon by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Well, they could use XBox and MS platform on wireless devices to go full Skype, and then connect Skype and PayPal to build an on-line/wireless payment system. As to the online retailer - they could build their own of-course, but it's easier to acquire a known one, like eBay and then build a sales platform, something like a retail specific OS platform and come up with some sort of p2p sales system. I don't know, maybe it's all crap.

    7. Re:amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Peer to peer sales, whats that? Do you like mean I could buy stuff off other ebay users?

      That would be like soooo cooool

    8. Re:amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they could licence Google Wallet and Google Voice with a revenue share deal like they could have had with MSN before Ballmer got stabby. Save their cash, come to an under the table non-compete in the office and desktop OS market, those sort of things.

    9. Re:amazon by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      if you can sell it, then it makes sense. But my thinking was more in terms of avoiding purchase being registered centrally, to avoid sales/excise/transaction taxes. Basically to get the governments' hands off private deals.

    10. Re:amazon by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      MS would do better to split themselves up into smaller, more innovative businesses that compete against each other and the other players in the market. Their entertainment division has a future, but Office and OS are going to struggle. They could go far with enterprise/cloud services, but it needs to break from the MS brand to really make it work. 4 or 5 40-60B companies, with the Office/OS group paying a 5% dividend, but having no growth, and the other arms being more speculative, but with some cash reserves after the breakup.

      Trying to make the over all business work well is a lost cause. The brand is tainted. Let some slowly die, and others rise from the ashes!

  12. Ballmer is not the problem. by miffo.swe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its overly simplistic to put the blame on Ballmer since it was Bill Gates that got Microsoft under close scrutiny from monopoly enforcement agencies all over the world. Bill Gates was also the one that won Microsoft the biggest EU fine in history for Bills predatory practices.

    What Ballmer has done is followed in Bill Gates footstep with so-so products sold by extremely hard marketing and very shoddy business practices. If anything Ballmer is just a bleaker version of Bill. The return of Bill Gates would just be about more pressure on OEMs, more underhanded deals and more of using the monopoly again.

    Personally i would love it if Bill Gates took the helm as it would make Microsoft become irrelevant even faster than today. The mobile and computing industry at large is right now liquid mercury and the tighter Microsoft squeezes the sooner it will slip.

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    1. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its overly simplistic to put the blame on Ballmer since it was Bill Gates that got Microsoft under close scrutiny from monopoly enforcement agencies all over the world. Bill Gates was also the one that won Microsoft the biggest EU fine in history for Bills predatory practices.

      Translation: Ballmer isn't as good as Gates. Under Bill Gate's leadership, Microsoft garnered so much market share that it scared nations.

      What Ballmer has done is followed in Bill Gates footstep with so-so products sold by extremely hard marketing and very shoddy business practices. If anything Ballmer is just a bleaker version of Bill. The return of Bill Gates would just be about more pressure on OEMs, more underhanded deals and more of using the monopoly again.

      Wrong. Ballmer is relying on momentum to keep Microsoft afloat. This is what the share holders are upset about. They see a future where most of the money are in mobile computing appliances and it appears to the man on the street that Microsoft's extensive portfolio is stuck on the desktop. This isn't necessarily true but their server products and mobile OSs haven't been stellar performers.

      Personally i would love it if Bill Gates took the helm as it would make Microsoft become irrelevant even faster than today.

      Personally I think its a shame someone can't enjoy their retirement without a bunch of whiny shareholders begging him to come back to work. Shareholder's are holding on the illusion that if Bill Gates returns then somehow he would be able to bring Microsoft back into a strategic marketing position that would preserve their market share.

      The mobile and computing industry at large is right now liquid mercury and the tighter Microsoft squeezes the sooner it will slip.

      Sounds like a pipe dream. Microsoft is building strategic alliances with cell phone manufacturers (eg. Nokia) and renewing their commitment to the smart phone market that they neglected since they dropped the ball on Windows CE back when Gates was preaching "Windows Everywhere". I wouldn't count Microsoft out just yet.

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    2. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by delinear · · Score: 1

      Indeed, it seems to me Gates has spent the last few years trying to distance himself from his role at MS as much as possible. I'm sure he much prefers the title of international philanthropist to international monopolist. We know he doesn't need the money, I can't think of anything else MS could offer him to return at this point.

    3. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      "Sounds like a pipe dream. Microsoft is building strategic alliances with cell phone manufacturers (eg. Nokia) and renewing their commitment to the smart phone market that they neglected since they dropped the ball on Windows CE back when Gates was preaching "Windows Everywhere". I wouldn't count Microsoft out just yet."

      Nokia is going bust in a hurry. Look up its just released earnings report. Nothing short of a complete miracle can save Nokia now. Looking at current WP7 sales figures one would expect Jesus showing up somewhere for that to happen.

      Microsoft is alienating the cell phone manufacturers by suing them all over and forcing them to take on very punishing patent extortion racket license. Strategic alliance do not mean the same to you as to me. At the same Microsoft is gearing up to battle it out with mobile operators by going all skype, making WP7 a platform that takes away mobile carriers income, not encourage it.

      Unless things change profoundly in Microsoft land they are toast except for two areas, Office and WIndows. Everything else is just sinkholes where money is tossed instead of paid out in dividends to the shareholders. Since the stock has tanked, i dont think that can keep up forever.

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    4. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Its overly simplistic to put the blame on Ballmer since it was Bill Gates that got Microsoft under close scrutiny from monopoly enforcement agencies all over the world. Bill Gates was also the one that won Microsoft the biggest EU fine in history for Bills predatory practices.

      It's overly simplistic to regard Gates' actions as a failure. Ashcroft under Bush gave Gates and Microsoft a free pass on actions in the USA, and the EU fines were not enough to make Microsoft unprofitable, and thus they were a worthless, token effort that surely made a few individuals richer than they already were and otherwise had no real effect. If Ballmer were to follow in Gates' footsteps then Microsoft would flourish.

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    5. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      Nokia is going bust in a hurry. Look up its just released earnings report. Nothing short of a complete miracle can save Nokia now. Looking at current WP7 sales figures one would expect Jesus showing up somewhere for that to happen.

      Sounds like Nokia was ripe for a take over and Microsoft took advantage of Nokia's situation. WP7 sales figures isn't something to write home about, but it is a reversal of fortune for Microsoft. They needed to stop the decline in market share and appear to be a credible competitor in the smart phone arena. The proposed refinements in WP8 and the purchase of Nokia to build the handset hardware allows Microsoft to catchup to Apple.

      Microsoft is alienating the cell phone manufacturers by suing them all over and forcing them to take on very punishing patent extortion racket license. Strategic alliance do not mean the same to you as to me. At the same Microsoft is gearing up to battle it out with mobile operators by going all skype, making WP7 a platform that takes away mobile carriers income, not encourage it.

      Cell phone manufacturers don't have feelings. They only understand profit. They went with Android thinking they didn't have to share any profit with the OS manufacturer. Microsoft just reminded them that just because the OS is free that doesn't mean you don't need to purchase the licenses to sell them. I deplore software patents, but corporations just love them. Microsoft is just being smart with their IP portfolio and the share holders demand this. As for Skype, it compliments the wireless carriers service. Wireless carriers sell the convenience of being able to carry your phone with you when you are away from the house. Skype allows you to make long distance and international calls to other Skype users for free and to non-Skype users for pennies a minute. You still need a connection with Skype.

      Unless things change profoundly in Microsoft land they are toast except for two areas, Office and WIndows. Everything else is just sinkholes where money is tossed instead of paid out in dividends to the shareholders. Since the stock has tanked, i dont think that can keep up forever.

      Sure if you ignore the game console market and that Skype thing.

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    6. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by xtracto · · Score: 1

      What Ballmer has done is followed in Bill Gates footstep with so-so products sold by extremely hard marketing and very shoddy business practices. If anything Ballmer is just a bleaker version of Bill. The return of Bill Gates would just be about more pressure on OEMs, more underhanded deals and more of using the monopoly again.

      Agreed. What we are seeing now (i.e. Microsoft's current state) is the result of following exactly the same strategy that Microsoft has *always* followed (shit, Embrace, Extend Extinguish worked so well for them for so long, they have tried once again with Skype).

      Nevertheless, the market and competitors have evolved and adapted in order to be able to challenge Microsoft's tactics. As a consequence, nowadays Microsoft's strategy is not as useful as it was before.

      Microsoft "stayed" in the "software products" market for a long time. But Yahoo, Google (and then Facebook) came, providing "software" as a free service (in exchange of advertising) and Microsoft just could not compete with their strategy.

      This is the reason why Microsoft is still very succesful in the video-game market. Because in this market Microsoft strategy is still appropriate.

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    7. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The people who are most upset about Ballmer don't care about the future of Microsoft. The most vocal stockholders are upset that Ballmer spent $8billion on Skype. It may or may not have been a good move, but they wanted the money given to them in the form of dividends. They are as greedy as anyone else, and want a CEO who will give them the money in the short term.

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    8. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is building strategic alliances with cell phone manufacturers (eg. Nokia)

      lol also known as "Nokia's suicide plan." Seriously, at this point WP7 has as much future as the Zune. Did you ever see a ZuneHD? It was nicer and less locked-down than WP7. You might even say that WP7 is so bad, they need to pay phone manufacturers to use it.

      Right now, Blackberry has a better chance of making it in the phone/tablet world than Microsoft.

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    9. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      lol also known as "Nokia's suicide plan." Seriously, at this point WP7 has as much future as the Zune. Did you ever see a ZuneHD? It was nicer and less locked-down than WP7.

      All manufacturers have their share of flops (eg. Motorolla Rokr, Android 3.0 tablets, etc). Past performance is not an indicator of future value.

      You might even say that WP7 is so bad, they need to pay phone manufacturers to use it.

      Or more to the point, I said that they are following the path of Apple and purchased a handset manufacture to be their flagship phone hardware. Unlike Apple, Microsoft may continue to offer its Mobile OS license to other hardware manufacturers. Also I don't use Microsoft products, but I did a google search of WP7 reviews and the ones I've found (eg, Anantech, Engadget, Gizmodo, etc.) were overwhelmingly positive.

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    10. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates could bring back Microsoft Bob, showing, yet again, the quality of their software.

    11. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      So Ballmer is basically like a clone of Gates, only fatter, uglier, and with less personality?

    12. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by yuhong · · Score: 1

      I think the root cause behind MS's anti-trust crimes is the notation that business is war, which is of course flawed.

    13. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      They probably wanted the money in the short term because they see the Skype acquisition as a complete waste of $8 billion. Just look at Skype's revenues: they're terrible, at least compared to an $8 billion price tag. Skype has never been a big money-maker; it's mostly free, except when you call landlines. While obviously there is some of that going on, and generating revenue, it's not enough to justify $8 billion.

      Maybe MS thinks they're going to leverage Skype to generate far more revenue somehow, probably with their phone platform, but it remains to be seen how well this will work out. It's a good idea in theory: route voice calls (esp. international ones) over the internet to save on fees, and also provide a way of talking directly to people using Skype on their PCs. But the devil's in the details: the big problem is the telecom carriers (Verizon, AT&T, etc.) control the market, and they don't want people making dirt-cheap international calls. There's no reason Skype couldn't have been added to mobile phones long ago, but it wasn't, for exactly this reason: it cuts into the carriers' profits. Since you can't have a working cellphone without a connection to the carrier, and since phones are purchased from carriers with contracts (in the USA), there's no easy way around this. What's MS going to do, buy out one of the carriers? I think that's about the only way this scheme would work. But then you'll have a vertical monopoly, or pretty close to it: you'll get an MS phone from Nokia, and use it on the MS phone network. Call me skeptical, but I don't think consumers are going to want to buy into this scheme. On top of that, remember that MS's forays into other markets have always been utter failures, except for Xbox and even that took many, many years of pouring tons of money into it.

    14. Re:Ballmer is not the problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation...

      Microsoft is building strategic alliances [...] and renewing their commitment to the smart phone market

      Your reply started convincingly enough to sound like a genuine ./ post, with all that 'translation' stuff. Strangely, though, it wasn't funny as these 'translation' usually are. And when I read that last sentence full of bullshit from Microsoft's marketing department, I knew you were astroturfing. Nice try. Now fuck off.

  13. Typical Ryan Block Garbage by Admodieus · · Score: 1

    He says Bill Gates needs to come back, and then states Gates listened to J Allard about the Xbox, Microsoft's only real consumer success story in the last decade. Doesn't that mean that maybe J Allard should be the new CEO of Microsoft? Or can Block not connect the dots he himself puts down on the paper?

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    1. Re:Typical Ryan Block Garbage by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      Xbox still has a long way to go before its profitable. There was some serious money sunk into it for a very long time before it even broke even.

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    2. Re:Typical Ryan Block Garbage by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Xbox still has a long way to go before its profitable. There was some serious money sunk into it for a very long time before it even broke even.

      And pretty soon they're going to have to blow more billions building a next generation machine.

  14. If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think you're getting what you think you are asking for.

    These are large crude parallels being drawn here: "Steve Jobs returned to Apple and saved it" is an interesting story, but Apple's story is certainly exceedingly unique.

    Not many companies crawl back from hasbeens to dominance. Apple was a joke in the 1990s, a shell of its former '80s self. The natural arc is to go from dominance to hasbeen. This is Microsoft's fate. Google's. Facebook's. etc. Apple is the weird exception, not the rule, and I wouldn't let its experience try to teach us anything. It's like seeing someone hit the lottery and trying to figure out how they did and repeat that. No, Apple is a pretty unique story in technology and business. Microsoft can't find their Steve Jobs in Bill Gates.

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    1. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      In a sense, Steve Jobs renovated the shell of 20th century Apple to create 21st century Apple. The current version only really owes elements of the MacOS UI to the original macintosh. So Apple didn't really survive the revival.

    2. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by careysub · · Score: 1

      In a sense, Steve Jobs renovated the shell of 20th century Apple to create 21st century Apple. The current version only really owes elements of the MacOS UI to the original macintosh. So Apple didn't really survive the revival.

      So was the 70s Apple dead in the 80s, since the Mac owed nothing to speak of to the Apple I/II? There may be a case for your claim, but the lack of a direct descendant of the original MacOS in the current product lineup isn't it. (I acknowledge that a case can be made that the original Apple start-up did not survive into the 80s, but what start-up organization does survive its growth into a multinational?)

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    3. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by chemicaldave · · Score: 0

      Apple was a joke in the 1990s, a shell of its former '80s self.

      Profitability aside, it still is.

    4. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by sheehaje · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the natural arc is to go from dominance to hasbeen, how do you explain IBM? Have they found some type of middle ground of the IT landscape that makes them immune to bubbles and fluctuations in the market? They seem to be doing well for themselves, and have been for a long time.

    5. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      apple is a business. it is a not a shell of its former self, it is a roaring success

      but i think you are speaking of apple in the religious sense. while the apple fanboy is an odd pitiable creature, oddballs like you probably kept apple afloat in the 90s. if you didn't do that, apple wouldn't have been around in the early 2000s to turn around and reach their current mass market popularity

      so, thanks for that, apple fundamentalists, even though you can safely be forgotten and discarded now, your life support duties no longer necessary or welcome

      begone, strange religious fundamentalists of the tech world

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    6. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Like IBM, Microsoft can return. I don't know about bringing back Gates, but keeping Ballmer is a definite fool's move and anyone who thinks different isn't paying attention.

    7. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Microsoft can't find their Steve Jobs in Bill Gates.

      Gentlemen, I invoke rule 34.

    8. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty big aside....

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    9. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

      apple is a business. it is a not a shell of its former self, it is a roaring success

      Hence the "Profitability aside" phrase. I think you have me pegged wrong. I am in no way a fan of Apple.

    10. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      uh, profit is success, for a business. i don't understand how you can talk about success or failure for a business without talking about profit

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    11. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Target+Drone · · Score: 1

      A wise old businessman once told me how companies are like people. They are born with lots of energy and enthusiasm, go through growing pains and assuming they live long enough hit the prime of their life. Then, like people companies eventually grow old and get hardening of the arteries before finally dying.

    12. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      IBM secured major defense contracts early on, and also understands the idea of selling the customer what they will buy. IBM has had its massive flops, for example the PS/Valuepoint line, and OS/2. One led to selling out to OS/2 and the other led to Microsoft dominance of PC operating systems.

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    13. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      some become vampires, and feast on the living

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    14. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

      i don't understand how you can talk about success or failure for a business without talking about profit

      By "profitability aside" I mean "If you consider factors other than their success in business such as their moral direction or culture"

      Profit is not the only method of measuring the success of a business.

    15. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Er, commentfail. One led to selling out to Lenovo.

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    16. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Apple was a joke until Microsoft bailed them out with $150M in 1997 - the single fact that the fanbois conveniently ignore.

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    17. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by MakinBacon · · Score: 1

      Their products are a joke compared to what they made in the 80's. Apple is a success today because Steve Jobs has the rare ability to polish a turd, add a lowercase i to the name and make a fortune. Is the iPad the first tablet? No, but they removed the keyboard and replaced the OS with something less versatile to make it the hottest toy on the market. There have also been pda/phone combos (with touchscreens) alot longer than there have been iPhones, but Apple was able to take an existing concept with limited mass-market appeal and sell it all over the world.

    18. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      there is no morality or culture in capitalism friend. profit is the one thing and the every thing

      you can talk about morality and culture if you like, but then you are talking about odd malformed things that will never drive any business's thinking

      welcome to capitalism. if you are concerned about morality and culture, stick to commenting on government policy

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    19. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

      random assholes on the internet criticizing unqualified success always make me laugh

      i look forward to hearing why james cameron, in movies, or democracy, in politics, are terrible failures

      pfffffffffft

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    20. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple may have bought NeXT and but after Gil Amelio left and Steve Jobs become interim CEO the reality emerged. NeXT basically took over Apple. Jobs put all his trusted NeXT subordinates in all the key VP/management positions.

    21. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by chemicaldave · · Score: 1

      you are talking about odd malformed things that will never drive any business's thinking

      Wow. This couldn't be further from the truth. What do you think drove Apple in their early years?

    22. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      As I said farther up I think the difference, in both Apple and IBM's, cases is that they had to go to the brink before they rebuilt themselves. Apple was particularly a hairsbreadth from death when Jobs returned, and IBM wasn't much better off when they started to turn around in the 90s. Microsoft remains, for now, highly profitable. They aren't growing, they aren't dominating new markets, but they're making lots of money. Until that stops, until they start to fail, they aren't likely to turn it around. There is a degree of panic required to make the kind of massive cultural and product changes that Apple and IBM made to turn around, and that panic hasn't set in yet at MS.

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    23. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, not so much. There was a really painful period for them in the early to mid 90s as people stopped buying as many mainframes and IBM pcs. It was almost a daily news story at 5:30.

      IBM Stock history

      See the crater just before 1995. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

    24. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by MorpheousMarty · · Score: 1

      I've heard this argument many times. IBM is doing great, and MS could emulate that, but at a cost. In many ways MS is at a crossroads, where the financial success of the company and their ability to impact the market are on different paths. From a purely business perspective, they should just say: "Office and Windows are mature, we will bug fix/polish the experience for the next 50 years; this is a stable platform for your business." To stay as a mover and shaker, they will need to take their focus off of Office and Windows, and put it on mobile, gaming, and "the cloud". There is no law of nature keeping them from doing everything, but I just don't see it. They can't even get the Windows team to back off of tablets, when Windows Phone 7 is a good fit that deserves a chance.

      So how do I explain IBM? They made themselves a stronger company by serving the market rather than driving it. Whether MS is about to join them is a question that will be answered in a few short years.

    25. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can talk about morality and culture if you like, but then you are talking about odd malformed things that will never drive any business's thinking

      You have an unrealistic and naive understanding of business. Businesses are ran by people, and most of them aren't sociopaths. Sure, some are; and they die spectacularly more often than they succeed. I suspect you're letting ideological biases distort your perceptions.

    26. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple was a joke until Microsoft bailed them out with $150M in 1997 - the single fact that the fanbois conveniently ignore.

      Actually, during the 90's, Apple still had a HUGE warchest of money (close to a billion) - that $150M was barely a drop in the bucket. Now, at the rate Apple was losing money, it would exhaust itself in probably a decade or so.

      Apple was literally in a good positoin to shut down and return all the money to investors - it still had significant assets. It just had no future - and shutting down would be a great possibility because of it (shutdown now while there's tons of assets).

      The fact that people believe that $150M "saved" Apple was the result. Apple didn't need the cash (Microsoft cashed out a few years later around the millennium), but they needed the business optics. And Microsoft throwing money into a company seen as having no future means they probably know something.

      It was more of a confidence builder that Apple had a bright(er) future ahead. Money talks on Wall Street, and $150M was small enough that Apple wouldn't be owned significantly by Microsoft, but large enough to get the attention of everyone.

    27. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      If the natural arc is to go from dominance to hasbeen, how do you explain IBM? Have they found some type of middle ground of the IT landscape that makes them immune to bubbles and fluctuations in the market? They seem to be doing well for themselves, and have been for a long time.

      IBM in the 90's was certainly a 'hasbeen' compared to what it was in the 40's-60's

    28. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by IICV · · Score: 1

      If the natural arc is to go from dominance to hasbeen, how do you explain IBM? Have they found some type of middle ground of the IT landscape that makes them immune to bubbles and fluctuations in the market? They seem to be doing well for themselves, and have been for a long time.

      Well - just off the top of your head, can you say who the current CEO of IBM is? Can you name its founders*?

      IBM is kind of unique in that in a lot of ways it's really more like a country than a business; it has roots going back to 1889, and in order to survive since then it's had to develop bureaucracy and customs to the point where no one person can fuck up the company.

      Microsoft, being a significantly younger company that was founded based on essentially one man's ego, does not have those protections; if the CEO is an idiot, he can still mess things up. Guess what Ballmer is?

      *Trick question, it was created by a merger of four established companies.

    29. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple was a joke until Microsoft bailed them out with $150M in 1997 - the single fact that the fanbois conveniently ignore.

      Does anybody really ignore it or do we just not care? You must not have heard about the "What have you done lately?" You can spend your life looking at who came up with what first or should have profited, but it doesn't matter one bit in the present (forget about computers, let's talk steam engines, locomotive technology, wireless communication, light bulbs, radio, TV). Seriously, why are you using TV's today; Obviously, the mechanical systems were first to demonstrate moving pictures over the airwaves and fanbois conveniently ignore it.

      When MS came out with Win95, I was excited and loved it compared to the Win3.1 I had been using. When Apple came out with OSX, I thought it was cool but cautious. Now, I use a Mac and love it. I use Win7 at work and put up with it. I tried an iPad and ended up getting one later (for those too dense to figure it out, I actually tried the product and liked it before purchasing).

      I have become an Apple fan because I've liked everything I've purchased since 2008...if they don't meet my expectations, maybe I'll back to Window...who knows.

    30. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by SheeEttin · · Score: 1

      Have they found some type of middle ground of the IT landscape that makes them immune to bubbles and fluctuations in the market?

      Well, they're certainly immune to bubbles and fluctuations in the consumer market--IBM mostly sells to corporations now. Microsoft is doing its darndest to target the "hip" consumer crowd (think Zune, Kin).

    31. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Take a look here. The share of people that visit Wikipedia using Windows felt from nearly 90% at April 2009 to 80.46% at April 2010. That is not because of an anomalous month, the share was falling for the entire year, and is accelerating.

      I know, the plural of anedonte is not data, and everything, but there are very few public accesible raw numbers on usage at the net. Wikipedia is no small site, and it ought to have some correlation to the total population.

    32. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Nope. You fanbois definitely ignore it because you find it embarrassing when it is brought up as a subject.

      Which is why I will continue to raise it as a subject every time a fanboi starts criticising Microsoft, Linux or any other technology type/company while peering down his long pointy nose at the rest of the world.

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    33. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not entirely sure, so I pose the question to the Slashdot readers, but I find it extremely hard to believe that IBM didn't have any problems between the late 1800's when IBM was known as Herman's Tabulating Company, until the 90's. I'm sure they had their hills and valleys. It's not a matter of tech companies are going to droop and never be able to rebound. The good ones should be able to recognize the changing market and adapt. If they don't realize their weaknesses and fix it as the market changes then they deserve to die. Apple realized this. IBM realized this and changed semi-recently, and probable multiple times over the 100+ years they have been in business. If you are naive enough to believe that Microsoft, one of the biggest if not "The" biggest name in computing for the last 20 years, isn't capable of this type of rebound when necessary, then I feel sorry for you and your limited intellectual ability and foresight.

    34. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      To be fair, they're counting mobile operating systems as part of the pie. The fact that I access Wikipedia on an Android phone or my iPad doesn't mean I don't use Windows most of the time. Windows has been losing market share, to be sure, but even Apple wasn't able to capitalize on Vista. Now with Windows 7, Windows is in a pretty good position.

      Also, those numbers don't add up to 100%. The 2009 stats add to 97% while the 2011 stats add to 95%. Is this simply the "other" category? I find it hard to believe there are many more OSs out there to make up that difference (there would need to be over 500 OSs with less than .0009% visitors each in the other category).

    35. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      Apple still had a HUGE warchest of money (close to a billion) - that $150M was barely a drop in the bucket.

      They had $1.2b, but I don't see how a 13% increase in that can be considered a "drop"

    36. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      If you are naive enough to believe that Microsoft, one of the biggest if not "The" biggest name in computing for the last 20 years, isn't capable of this type of rebound when necessary, then I feel sorry for you and your limited intellectual ability and foresight.

      I don't think I said anything even vaguely like that. I said that Microsoft was not (yet) in a position where they feel they need to "rebound". Intellectually I'm sure plenty of people at Microsoft are a bit worried about that fact that their revenue stream depends so heavily on desktop computer OSes and Office, and that new devices and new products (tablets, improved smart phones, Android, iOS, Google Docs, ChromeOS, etc) are showing signs of cutting into those product's markets in the near future. On the other hand it's hard to get really, viscerally, scared when your profits last year beat analyst's expectations. It's hard to *really* think you're doing something wrong when you keep making tons of money.

      Microsoft is going to have to feel some real pain before they change course. You rarely ever see a company successfully reinvent itself until it experiences a crisis. Once the crisis comes, of course, it's even odds on whether the company can make the right choices. Apple did it and so did IBM (probably several times as you point out), but the roadside is littered with formerly agile and powerful companies that couldn't (Sun, SGI, Compaq, DEC, Commodore... the list goes on and on). I'm sure not saying that MS can't be one of the survivors, but we're at least 5-10 year from them even having to find out. They aren't going to be hurting unless and until the predicted rise of mobile computing occurs.

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    37. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 was released by October 2009, so half of the trend duration must be explained another way (and don't forget it is accelerating). Yes, they include mobile, that is relevant, only taking into account the desktop OSes, Linux and Windows are growing at the expense of Macs. I didn't notice it at first. It is also relevant that they are counting Android as Linux.

      So, my demisse of Microsoft turned out to be premature :(

    38. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Morality and culture are things which can aid or harm a business, but they aren't measures of success. The ONLY measure of success of a business is profitability. The only other possible measure is profitability over time (i.e., you could argue that a business that makes a lot of money one year and then goes bankrupt is less profitable than a business that makes less money, but does it successfully and reliably year after year.), but there of course you have the problem that you need to define the time period for comparison, and where exactly you draw those boundaries will greatly affect the comparison.

      As I said before, culture and morality can aid or harm a business. For instance, a company with a very bad corporate culture can be harmed by that, because of key employees jumping ship, and employment prospects steering clear due to reputation. But this isn't a measure of success. A corporation is just a way of generating wealth and making profit for its owners; that's all. Along the way, some customers might get some useful products, and some employees might get paychecks, but those are just incidental to the company's true purpose.

    39. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      You know your signature is flawed right? WebKit is a fork of KHTML. So your statement should read...

      WebKit. You can thank KDE for producing KHTML under a license that forced Apple to open their improvements when using the browser on your phone.

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    40. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      You know that you're like the 10th person to try to justify that Apple was 'forced' to open their improvements, as if they don't use & rely on open source. As if Apple has never done open source software:
      http://opensource.apple.com/
      Apple saw a project, forked it, made it better, and returned the source. Just like every other open source user.

      And I'll change my sig when there's a phone that has KHTML as the default browser.

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    41. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Your signature tries to claim that Apple is responsible for that browser being on your phone. This is incorrect, as Apple did not write it, merely enhanced it. The bulk of the credit still belongs to the people who wrote the damn thing.

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    42. Re:If you want Bill Gates to be Steve Jobs by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you might want to go back and look at the state of KHTML before Apple forked it. Apple wrote the bulk of what is the modern day WebKit.

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  15. It'll be Stephen Elop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He knows Microsoft and he knows phones. BTW Ballmer did not exactly looked thrilled in the traditional photo after the big deal with Nokia was signed.

    The board will probably look at Eric Schmidt as well, and pass.

    I don't work at MS and don't know Steve Sinofsky (Windows chief), but my guess is he's too much of an MS insider to make a clean break with the past.

    Bill Gates has moved on, and so has the IT industry. Not a good fit. Same with people like Scott McNealy, Jeff Raikes. These are all Cold War veterans of the '90s.

  16. Microsoft's Mistake not promoting Ray Ozzie by haplo21112 · · Score: 2

    This was the man that should have taken the reigns of Microsoft by now. Instead he has left the company. He was a worthy successor to Gates in drive and vision.

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    1. Re:Microsoft's Mistake not promoting Ray Ozzie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ray Ozzie + J Allard would have been a formidable leadership duo (assuming they didn't kill each other first).

    2. Re:Microsoft's Mistake not promoting Ray Ozzie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I've worked for Ray. He's a nice guy and gets collaboration but totally is dominated by a crew of yes men that has paraded around him moving from Iris, to Lotus, to Groove and to Microsoft.

    3. Re:Microsoft's Mistake not promoting Ray Ozzie by diegocg · · Score: 1

      Ray Ozzie? The guy who created Lotus Notes and recently tried to re-create it using RSS?

  17. Better than Ballmer by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    Gates would be a better option than Ballmer but that's faint praise. My dog would do a better job than Ballmer. There are certainly better options out there. People with the ability to gut the entrenched internal bureaucracy and drag Microsoft into the modern world of technology.

    The age of $150 operating systems running on an $800 desktop with $400 productivity software are drawing to a close. If Microsoft wants to stay relevant, they need new ideas that come from people who aren't being stifled by mid-level managers steeped in last week's technology.

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    1. Re:Better than Ballmer by BreezeC · · Score: 1

      I don't think Gates will come back.He has left.
      Can he make microsoft success?
      If not?

    2. Re:Better than Ballmer by Ice+Tiger · · Score: 1

      Totally agree, my move away from MS desktop PC products has been driven by price as they don't have magnitudes of added value compared to their competitors in order to justify the additional expense.

      As someone who is seen as the local 'IT Guy' by friends and family this has also resulted in their machines moving away from MS products too. Microsoft need to maybe look at Steam and learn about how to price things.

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  18. I'm puzzled by khallow · · Score: 1

    So why do they think Bill Gates would be better? The key problem is simply that Microsoft depends on two, long in the tooth products (Windows and Office) for most of its revenue. That's not going to change one bit, if Gates returned to Microsoft.

    And if I were in Gates's shoes, I'd rather that Balmer had the thankless task of trying to find a new Windows/Office complex while I slowly sold off my Microsoft stock. That seems to be what happened.

    1. Re:I'm puzzled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why do they think Bill Gates would be better? The key problem is simply that Microsoft depends on two, long in the tooth products (Windows and Office) for most of its revenue.

      Translation: Microsoft suffers from a total lack of strategic vision.

      Having a skilled-but-vision-less bureaucrat as a CEO will grow a company's stock only so far, and we've got some stark examples of how important "the vision thing" is in the tech industry. Gates' strategic vision was always somewhat myopic--just read "The Road Ahead" to see how hit-and-miss he could be--but he had enough when combined with his brilliant business skills to turn MS into a leviathan. Love him or hate him, Steve Jobs is the avatar of strategic vision and Apple's stock price reflects that. Most of Eric Schmidt's attempts to expand Google into profitable areas beyond search floundered (Android was his one big success).

      Microsoft's ten year stock performance shows that Ballmer might as well be blind for all the strategic vision he's got.

    2. Re:I'm puzzled by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure Apple stock doesn't reflect what you're saying.

      Compare P/E of AAPL to most any other stock with even half the growth rates that Apple has. Wall Street either doesn't see or doesn't agree that Apple/Jobs has a vision of the future. In spite of them proving it, quarter after quarter, for about 5 years now.

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    3. Re:I'm puzzled by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Under Gates, IE had 90% of the browser market, 95% of the desktop market, 90% of the mobile smart phone market, and existing users upgrading their software every 2 - 3 years when it was time to life cycle their hardware. That made them a fortune.

      Gates would be better because he is ruthless and is successful in tying proprietary technology to other MS products to encourage users away from non MS technology. After he left Balmer embraced more open standards and let the competition figure out how Outlook and .doc formats works. Because of that we have the Blackberry, Apple, and Firefox.

      Once that is out then there is no reason to stick to a MS ecosystem.

      The whole point of picking a Windows Mobile device was to show people your word docs and website pics to clients that would work best with other MS products. Now, every phone maker has that ability. Under Balmer, MS did not update its bugs or its horrible interface for Windows Mobile when the eye candy and pretty i-phone came out. Office 2007/2010 is hated by business and they still use Office 2003 etc.

      Under Gates, he would make technology work with other MS products, he would bully other OEMs and handset makers to use his products, he would make sure there are reasons for corporate users to upgrade their products. Right now it makes sense to keep what is very old for cost savings. I would think he would not be afraid to fire people either. Also, he has a vision, where as Balmer gets his from listening to poor management. He cares more about his salary than the company.

    4. Re:I'm puzzled by khallow · · Score: 1

      Under Gates, IE had 90% of the browser market, 95% of the desktop market, 90% of the mobile smart phone market, and existing users upgrading their software every 2 - 3 years when it was time to life cycle their hardware. That made them a fortune.

      And it was something completely unsustainable.

      Gates would be better because he is ruthless and is successful in tying proprietary technology to other MS products to encourage users away from non MS technology. After he left Balmer embraced more open standards and let the competition figure out how Outlook and .doc formats works. Because of that we have the Blackberry, Apple, and Firefox.

      So we're going to tie ourselves to a proprietary zoo because Bill is back in charge? All the things that you say Balmer "embraced" and "let" would have happened anyway, whether or not they received anything resembling a Microsoft blessing. By "embracing" and "letting" these things, Microsoft had the opportunity to shape things to its own advantage and extend it's residual pricing power for a number of years.

  19. If Bill Gates were the cure... by Zoxed · · Score: 1

    ...I would rather have the illness ;-)

    1. Re:If Bill Gates were the cure... by partyguerrilla · · Score: 1

      Oh man, you're so counter-culture and rebellious, Free Software 4lyfe, brofist. *cue the FSF theme song played by RATM*

  20. Chairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill Gates taking the reins away from Ballmer might not solve the company's problems, but it would probably reduce the amount of overall chair-throwing.

  21. And if he wanted to help MS *and* philantropy... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    He'd dedicated the company to developing scalable, human-like artificial intelligence. He'd dominate the computer industry AND get those who need aid by getting answers to all questions for which there are answers.

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  22. actually by ludomancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd rather they just go out of business. It is long overdue.

    1. Re:actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, Microsoft has spent a lot of money on researching the user experience. A lot of their software has a better interface than anything else (I say this as someone who only ever runs Windows when I have to in a VM from my Linux workstation). Without that the "other" softwares wouldn't have anything to mimic and would probably be pretty awful. Just think of how much more worse Unity/GNOME3/KDE would be if left to their own devices (as can be witnessed by their recent forays into trying to do their own thing).

      The same could be said for user interface hardware like keyboards, mice, and gaming devices. The Microsoft hardware division has always been pretty damn good (although less so in recent years; a Ballmer effect?).

    2. Re:actually by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 1

      Only on slashdot can a shallow and content-free comment like this get a +5 Insightful.

      Microsoft has added quite a bit (for better and for worse) to the tech world, like it or not, and projects like Kinect prove they're still capable of making decent products in new market & old. Thanks anyway though.

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    3. Re:actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen Brother Ludomancer, Amen.

  23. Mark Russinovich! by fluor2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I vote for Mark! He is an excellent and awesome technical fellow that has impressed me a number of times. It's time for Microsoft to learn from Google; let the engineers take control again.

    1. Re:Mark Russinovich! by hedwards · · Score: 1

      A large part of the problem over at MS seems to be that the guy leading it is a bean counter and not a geek. Getting a proper geek won't necessarily solve the problem, but it would get a person that actually understands the technological side of things. MS has plenty of very smart people working for it who have some pretty amazing ideas, it's just that somewhere between the idea, implementation and release stages something seems to get fucked up in most cases. I mean hell, they let Apple beat them to the punch with Time machine when they had the same basic technology in their OS unreleased.

    2. Re:Mark Russinovich! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I second that? I treasure Mark's tools when I am working on MS stuff. So much insight on what people NEED.

  24. MS has no future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As the world moves to a post-PC era, Microsoft has no more advantage from their OS monopoly. They have no future. People are sick of dealing with the epic mess of PCs, and are moving to mobile devices and iPads faster than Apple can build them.

    There's no future for Microsoft. Their only advantage was that most software was written against Windows. That advantage means nothing in a post-PC world.

    If you think this isn't true... dream on. Apple is now the most valuable tech company on the planet, and it isn't because they are selling PCs. It's because they are selling mobile devices that people love, unlike Microsoft that sells things people hate but always had to buy before. Now there is a viable alternative, and people are flocking to it by the millions.

  25. Dear Steve Ballmer by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    Thank you for making our jobs easier by continuing to pursue bad products with bad management. When we saw your pitiful attempt at a search engine, we laughed until our sides split.

    Sincerely,
    Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, Larry Page, and Sergei Brin

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    1. Re:Dear Steve Ballmer by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Dear Steve

      I hope the $150M bailout I gave you in 1997 was useful to your then-failing company.

      Love and Kisses

      Billy G.

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    2. Re:Dear Steve Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Steve Jobs' search engine is awesome.

    3. Re:Dear Steve Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Bill

      Yeah it was. Bet you wish hadn't sold the shares back in 2001, right?
      AAPL Market Cap 317.06Billion
      MSFT Market Cap 208.54Billon

    4. Re:Dear Steve Ballmer by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, Apple's products that compete with Microsoft's core products are shit. Have you ever tried to use OS X Server? It's impossible to administer well. Windows Server 2008 R2 is a fine system by comparison.

      Apple flat out gave up on XServe, and what's more they've basically done the same with Office. Microsoft, in contrast, is still very much in the game when it comes to everything Apple and Google are doing.

    5. Re:Dear Steve Ballmer by smash · · Score: 1

      spotlight is pretty bloody good, actually.

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  26. Sure... bring back the guy... by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

    who thought the Internet was a passing fad and "one person, one pc" was mantra.

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    1. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by arndawg · · Score: 1

      But it's true. One person, one pc. He was just a bit early.

    2. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      I'm one person. I have about 7 PCs, if you count work & home computers, phones, tablets, entertainment devices.

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    3. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by arndawg · · Score: 1

      I think the point he was making is that he was wrong that there would be so "many" PCs because Windows was bad at multi-user environments. Surely everyone has at least one PC these days.

    4. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Well, re-reading the GP comment, I believe he actually believed the one pc, one person comment. And maybe I could see that - everything stored on a remote server (ie the cloud) that you access from any device. And the PC becomes the data not the interface to get to the data. But I'm not sure Bill Gates saw that either.

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    5. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We don't count your work computers unless you're self-employed.

      One day, you may be able to have just three devices, one will probably look like a cellphone, one a tablet with a slide, flip, or docking keyboard as an option, and another will either be a desktop or dedicated (and tiny) server.

      I, too, have a grip of machines. But I would prefer not to...

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    6. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      You may not count my work computers/phones/tablets, but since I use them for a majority of my waking time, including accessing my personal data, I count them as part of my digital life.

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    7. Re:Sure... bring back the guy... by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

      The "one pc" comment was aimed at people who might use a terminal to connect to a central computer for their work. Kind of like what we do with the "cloud"... which MS is now touting big-time. Gates thought everyone should have their own complete computer with all their applications and data on it. Everything from MS, of course. This may be before almost everyone's time. :P

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  27. What? They are making money hand over fist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't even HTC pay them $5 for every android handset (I think I read that here??). Ballmer, Gates, etc.. they are old farts, you've seen them before, the old fart walking down the road with a stain in his pants. People laugh, and they don't know why people are laughing at them!

    There is so much ego now? Really Nerds have ego? Comon, grow up, learn to make your own money and your own decisions instead of playing "Board of Directors" for a company you'll never even probably get a chance to work for, let alone be on the board.

  28. ...a Messiah Aproach. by martiniturbide · · Score: 1

    I don't think that Bill Gates should be seen as the Microsoft messiah. If it i something wrong with MS is the business model. 1) The operating system had come a software commodity with time. Now people uses a varaity of OS and didn't feel excluded like it was happening on the 80's and 90's. So MS has to understand that with the OS is no longer going to make a lot of money like before. 2) The office suite is also becoming a commodity. Office will slow down and eventually will stop being the cash cow. Software licensing for the consumer is not what is used to be on the 80's and 90's. They have to deal with that first. So, Bill Gates is going to show up and change that? no, a change of business model is going to help MS, not the messiah.

  29. The best way to fix Microsoft by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    The best way to fix Microsoft is to go through all the senior execs office and replace their 1998 desk calendars with something a bit more recent.... Seriously based on both ex Microsoft employees testimony and their product line(large numbers of different, incompatible products aimed towards the same market), Microsoft execs don't seem to realize that it's no longer 1998 and they have real external competition. Most Microsoft senior execs seem to be too busy sniping at each other than they are at trying to create something that bests their competitors' products.

  30. exactly by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    to further the parallel, you would be asking bill gates to come back and somehow microsoft becomes a force that kills the cable giants and netflix as everyone moves to their boxes for television and movie content. and this is what microsoft becomes known for in the late 2010s

    someone's going to converge the internet and the traditional cable company's market space, it could be microsoft. and then to complete the parallel to apple's story, windows 8 or 9 or 10 etc becomes a has been as Google OS takes over that space. or something like that

    oh wait, didn't they just buy skype? there's another internet/ traditional phone company convergence story that hasn't played out yet. maybe that's what the minds at microsoft are hoping to do steve jobs style in terms of reinventing microsoft

    could happen, who knows. or apple could master the telephone/ internet convergence or cable/ internet convergence. or google. who knows

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    1. Re:exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Apple try to do that with AppleTV? I don't know about you, but I don't know a single person that dropped their cable for that crap.

  31. Microsoft needs much more than a change at the top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Having seen Microsoft in action close up, I've drawn the conclusion that a change in the executive ranks will not reverse its decline in prominence and industry leadership over the last decade.

    True it does need bold leadership to see and promote a world beyond a Windows OS plus Office centric one, and that would be a start. But it needs an internal culture change even more.

    Microsoft doesn't lack for incredibly smart, talented and capable people, though it is losing its best at a rate that would alarm most other companies. But it's internal culture of fixed winners, losers, and rewards, and individual performance over that of teams and/or product have resulted in an incredibly political and process-heavy environment where employees see each other, and not other companies or products, as their competition, and their energies and efforts are (mis-)focused accordingly. Until they address this, I believe Microsoft will be unable to be anywhere as efficient or agile as its competition.

  32. Re:And if he wanted to help MS *and* philantropy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He'd dedicated the company to developing scalable, human-like artificial intelligence. He'd dominate the computer industry AND get those who need aid by getting answers to all questions for which there are answers.

    And if he dies before they can upload him into it, he wants everyone to know that they're to upload his secretary instead, and she can run the company.

  33. Is Gates the cure or the cause? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    The reason Microsoft is in the current downward-spiraling condition is due to Bill Gates. He completely missed the onset of the Internet. He had to release a second version of his book, The Road Ahead in order to mention the Internet, as he ignored the widespread ramifications of the Internet the first time around. Innovation during his tenure was minimal, if existent at all.

    .
    What Microsoft needs now is a real visionary, not a phony one who built a company on borderline-illegal business practices.

    I say, sure bring back Bill Gates. That would finish Microsoft off for good.

    1. Re:Is Gates the cure or the cause? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      IE owned 95% of the browser market when he left. True IE 1 and 2 were not part of Windows 95 initially but that changed within a year by 1996. After that and spending a whole night on the internet his opinion quickly changed and he was successful in crushing Netscape, killing Java applets, and tying the internet to Windows for nearly a decade before Firefox came out.

      Firefox almost didn't succeed as he reinvented HTML to fit his own standards. The security holes and worms is the only reason people even bothered changing as most sites worked best with IE until about 3 or 4 years ago.

  34. Steve Balmer is Obviously the Wrong Guy? by aoeu · · Score: 1

    Really? Did Windows 7 suck without telling anyone?

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    1. Re:Steve Balmer is Obviously the Wrong Guy? by smash · · Score: 1

      Windows 7 is a good product, but its not going to save the company. Its not enough to be good, to stem the bleeding. You need to be revolutionary, to do stuff that no one else does (this used to be an entire office suite for cheap - which then sold copies of Windows / PCs).

      For example: Fact is, for a home user, if you line up a Mac with iLife vs a PC with Windows for the general day to day stuff a home user wants (internet, email, media, home movies, basic content creation): the PC gets slaughtered (to buy apps to replace iLife you're easily blowing the budget, the mac is easier to maintain, and the hardware is nicer than the cheaper end of PC junk in any case). MS need to ship a worthy competitor to iLife, for one.

      But even if they do that, its simply following what Apple have already done. They need fresh ideas. I don't know what they are, but then its not my job to find them and save the company.

      Sure, Windows wins on games, but games are going mobile/console based anyway.

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    2. Re:Steve Balmer is Obviously the Wrong Guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Windows 7 is a good product"

      Actually, it's not.

  35. Bill Gates is the one who screwed MS by alen · · Score: 1

    seriously this is the guy who 10 years ago was preaching "consistent user experience" for mobile devices. he had vision to put windows on mobile devices but screwed it up buy trying to jam a desktop GUI on a tiny screen.

    MS needs some fresh blood. Ballmer has been there almost as long as gates and paul allen founded the company. they need someone with no PC baggage to lead the company

  36. Get rid of the dilberts and move the Peter's down by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Windows 7 is good now is not the time to push windows 8 so fast and the new GUI has to go. MS seems to have both the The Dilbert principle and The Peter Principle going for them. But they are so big that is does not get in the of big stuff like windows 7 but does make stuff like windows vista.

  37. Is Bill Gates the Cure For What Ails Microsoft? by emaname · · Score: 1

    No.

    Next question.

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  38. The smartest thing Bill Gates ever did... by Goonie · · Score: 1

    ...was stop running Microsoft.

    History is littered with wildly successful startup companies turning into boring ones. It happened to Xerox. It happened to Apple. It happened to Microsoft. And it will happen to Google and Facebook too, to pick the current companies of the moment.

    Gates was, I think, smart enough to realize this and found something more exciting to do with his time than run a boring office products company.

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  39. It probably doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Companies can re-invent themselves: IBM, Apple for instance. That isn't usually the case though. Most companies have a life cycle and eventually decay and die. Nothing Bill Gates is likely to do will change that.

    Note that I said "likely". There are things Bill Gates could do that would be brilliant and allow Microsoft to prosper and take over the world. I don't know what those things are and I'm betting that Bill Gates doesn't know either. ;-)

  40. Sigh by slasho81 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has 90,000 employees. Apple has 50,000. Both founded in the mid 70s. People who think companies of this scale and maturity rise or fall based on their CEO have no idea how organizations work. Slashdot should not give attention to bloggers offering solutions which are simplistic, ignorant, and arrogant.

  41. Frankentech? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

    The problem with Microsoft is that it competes with every freaken tech company on the planet!

    I read that as "every Frankentech company", which was confusing, because surely only Microsoft has achieved such a nefarious status.

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  42. Who needs to be running Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steven Wright

    Just imagine it: "Developers

    developers

    developers..."

  43. Gates is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BillG was never even the architect of MS DOS/Windows success. That success was born from the cracking of the IBM PC's ROM BIOS. That is what made the clones possible and it was the clones that made Microsoft. Bill just went along for the ride. Gates' fabled aversion to ethics may well stem from his insecurities; he knows it was blind luck that made him the world's richest man.

    1. Re:Gates is overrated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That wasn't luck, it was a stroke of genius, in a 19th century, Rockefeller/Vanderbilt kind of way (whose history I'm sure Gates knew all about BTW). Gates deserves 100 pct credit for the business/legal/technical acumen that led to the MS DOS/Windows monopolies.

  44. Gates can't do it again by FridayBob · · Score: 1

    The reason why Gates was so successful was not because he was an innovator, but because of countless acquisitions and the fact that he was able to get away with his unethical business practices for so long. It's how M$ gained its desktop monopoly. Which has since been eroding, not only because of the rise of Linux, Google, and Apple, but also because justice departments around the world have become more aware of how IT monopolies work, especially M$. Therefore, Gates can't come back and do it again with anything resembling the success that he had the first time around.

  45. well said by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    IBM is not the picture of gold in middle age. IBM is the picture of gold in the elderly years. IBM's business acumen makes steve job's heroics look tiny

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    1. Re:well said by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      Ummm seems to me that IBM isn't just the picture of gold in elderly years. IBM has been the picture of gold in infancy, toddler, pre-school, kindergarten, pre-teen years, teen years, early adulthood, mid-30's, early middle age, middle age, senior years and post immortality serum administration years...

      Ok, maybe it looked like only silver for a few years after it sold the farm to a little company in Bellvue... but other than that...

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    2. Re:well said by msi · · Score: 1
      IBM is over 100 years old. The oldest part of IBM made the punch cards for the 1880 cencus it them merged with two other companys in June 16, 1911 and incorperated as Computing Tabulating Recording Corporation in 1917 it started using IBM in Canada and formally renamed in 1924.

      GE was formed in 1892, ford in 1903, Weston Union in 1851, Exxon Mobile in 1911 the oldest of its competors HP was founded in 1939. IBM is not the company we think it is.

  46. He won't be back; M$ has jumped the shark. by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    WIth Linux and Unix variants (Apple, Android, Ubuntu) spreading out into the desktop space Microsoft's #1 main market share tool is gone. Lock-in.

    Tool #2 is to buy-up the competition and kill it (Skype for Asterisk) thereby eliminating the possibility of any alternatives disrupting the Microsoft market space. This doesn't work so well with Open Source software. But that hasn't stopped M$ from trying.

    Tool #3 is to FUD,FUD,FUD the bejeezes out of the competition until a false sense of reality is created/believed. This works well with FOSS and is the tack M$ has taken with regards to FOSS but they have not succesfully killed it off yet.

    Microsoft has been an empire built on what ought to be illegal business tactics and it's *FINALLY* folding in on itself. Gates will not be back, at least publicly. He won't want to be at the helm when the place finally goes under in the next 5 years.

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    1. Re:He won't be back; M$ has jumped the shark. by Toreo+asesino · · Score: 1

      I've been hearing about how Microsoft is doomed for years now. For as long as I can remember being in IT in fact :)

      Ah well.

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  47. Exactly. by wezelboy · · Score: 1

    Most people have forgotten or are in denial about this. Gates does have excellent PR people. Microsoft's entire business model is based on leveraging their desktop monopoly. If that foundation erodes or becomes irrelevant, they are done. Gates built the business this way from the very start, and I doubt he has the vision to come up with something new.

  48. Mr. Ballmer is the main issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr. Ballmer is the main issue. He needs to ask the BoD perform a search, announce his retirement and hire someone new. Preferably someone with "some" technical skill. Marketing types are less about utility and more about spin and fluff.

    I say this as a MSFT stockholder.

    Bringing Mr. Gates back is not the answer this company needs. He is doing much better things for humanity where he is.

  49. Why? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    Has he even been keeping up with new advances in tech or the business world? It seems to me that running Microsoft would require a a person who has put in a lot of effort to get and maintain a lot of key skills and with Bill Gates basically retired I would be surprised if he did this.

    And I am not even sure that he ever had the skills to run the company that Microsoft has become, and I believe that after Gates left and Steve Ballmer took over the profits rose quite a lot so it is not like Gates was doing so good himself.

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  50. Missing The Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The original article and most commenters are completely missing the point. Anyone who has read "Who Moved My Cheese?" will understand that Microsoft has not adapted to disruptive technologies well. Bill Gates has no more vision than Steve Ballmer, Paul Allen, or Nathan Myhrvold when it comes to this fact. Here is a short list followed by one example each (because my time is better spent elsewhere):

    -Microsoft's tactics of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish have been fairly useless against open source software. What worked against Netscape will not work with GPLed software.

    -Microsoft's FUD tactics are no longer effective in the presence of the Internet. Their shills and lies are exposed quite often. For instance, running the original "Get The Facts" website on an OpenBSD server.

    -Microsoft's cash cows are dying. People are starting to realize that they are being asked to pay for what they already have. Who really needs MS Office and their changing file formats, when LibreOffice is a viable competitor.

    -Microsoft's political power is waning. They are reviled for their takeover of the ISO process.

    -Microsoft's partners, such as Dell, Intel, and HTC are bailing in favor of Linux / Android.

    -Microsoft is unable to adapt their software. Ever try running Windows on a netbook?

    -Thanks to the Internet, Microsoft has been unable to enforce a pricing scheme on the entire planet. Why should a consumer in England pay more for a legitimate copy of Windows than a consumer in Egypt?

    -Microsoft's proxies have been unable to successfully sue over copyright infringement matters. Good legal move though, since MS can't be countersued if they are not directly involved in (SCO) litigation.

    -Microsoft can't afford to buy every technology that seems cool. MS can't fool all of today's best and brightest with a competition ( See Imagine Cup Rule "How will my entry potentially be used located here: http://www.imaginecup.com/about/imagine-cup-2011-official-rules ) or with an offer of employment ( Johnny Chung Lee )

    -Microsoft can't close the door on other platforms. The open source community will just write around Skype codecs and create a compatibility layer (it happened with SAMBA).

    -Microsoft can't stop copyright infringement of their software. What they call "piracy" is part of their business model. If all software was legit, MS would have a significantly lower market share.

    -Microsoft has been ineffective in maintaining a quazi-police entity known as the BSA. Though they have pissed off lots of people ( Ernie Ball http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html ) in the process.

    -Microsoft has a business model based on past practices. Online sales have lagged those of Apple, Google, Amazon, etc.

    In the light of changing times, a new business model has emerged. Microsoft's founders still believe that they can litigate their way to profitability. When they are not fighting with each other over their empires, they are suing everybody else. I am not a lawyer but I understand that their are four areas of law that deal with "Intellectual Property": Copyrights, Patents, Trademarks, and Trade Secrets. Since copyright has failed to stop the competition (Linux / Unix) Microsoft has focused mainly on Patents.

    Paul Allen is trying to extort profits based on all sorts of ridiculous patents. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703294904575385241453119382.html

    So is Steve Ballmer. http://www.insanely-great.com/news.php?id=6744 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2015167534_htcpaysmicrosoft5foreveryandroidphone.html

    So is Nathan Myhrvold. http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/12/intellectual-ventures-sues-nine-tech.html

    As part owner of Intellectual Ventures, and Microsoft, Bill Gates is also suing.

    Hell, even Steve Jobs is filing frivolous lawsuits: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Steve-Jobs-Sues-New-York-City-for-Copyright-Infringement-82656.shtml

    So... the question comes down to this: What business or individual, given the facts, would want to continue doing business with Microsoft?

  51. Break up the company by swb · · Score: 1

    What amazes me is how many people buy into the CEO as savior idea. Microsoft is a many-headed hydra, no one person (especially a 50-60 year old white male with family legacy wealth already locked up) has the vision/skills/energy to overhaul it and make it something else.

    Microsoft should be broken up. Apps & Servers, Operating Systems & Mobile, Gaming & Entertainment, with someone who is capable of providing a vision within those spheres and isn't burdened by monopoly lock-in requirements and ossified technology of their "partner".

    It's certainly debatable whether the breakup makes sense along the lines above, or something else, but this seems workable.

    Apps & Servers need no longer be tied to Windows OS -- Exchange for Linux/FreeBSD? Office for Linux?

    OS fits mobile in that Mobile needs and OS and as we've seen with Apple, it's not hard to see iOS overtaking MacOS or at least overshadowing it, plus a new OS group would not be tied to some kind of corporate mandate to primarily be the basis for selling MS servers and apps.

    Gaming and entertainment is the non-business business which is why it fits together and would allow such an entity to rebrand itself beyond the boring navy blue suit corporate image that probably helped doom Zune.

    The question I have is, how long until Wall Street demands it?

  52. not bill gates.. by Combatso · · Score: 1

    what MS needs is Bill Cosby... now thats an OS I would buy,.... a 404 error would read "..oh noes, the beepin boppn' web lost your PAGE".

  53. I hear this too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically, Microsoft is devouring itself from the inside out. Every team is competing with every other team, and this competitive factionalism has created an environment in which quality does not determine success. Personally, I think all they really need is a revolutionary corporate culture to re-hegemonize the factions into a coherent organization. I don't think it would be particularly difficult to accomplish, and I don't think it would take a new CEO - although Ballmer would have to at least be supportive of the project eventually.

    Given a decent budget and a small team I could get it done within 3 years max. Anyone at MS wanna hire me?

    http://newabandon.com/

  54. TFA sounds like he's having a really good wank by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

    Albeit a slightly desperate one, over Bill. An excerpt from the article reads:

    "Someone recently asked me what it was like meeting Bill Gates, who I interviewed a few times back at Engadget. I said, I know it sounds like a cliché, but it is very easy, when you sit down with one, to tell that you're talking to a genius. As soon as Bill opens his mouth, you think: this person is on a different level than the rest of us. It can be kind of intimidating, but it can also be a little hypnotic if you let yourself get pulled into his vision. Yes, believe it or not, Bill Gates has his own Reality Distortion Field (and I mean that as a high compliment)."

    I don't think it's too far a stretch of the imagination to picture the author frothing at the mouth while writing that little gem of literature one handed. That one paragraph is like a wank all on its own. First we have the foreplay - "Someone recently asked me what it was like meeting Bill Gates...", ooh getting warmed up! Then there's the main course of johnson beating that's on "...a different level". And finally, the reality distortion fieUUUuuh yeeeaah.

    Far be it from me to suggest that if the person mentioned were Steve Jobs instead of Bill, everyone would have pointed this out already, but the article does read like an Ode to Apple with MS in its place.

    It's a bit crap really.

  55. If they go out of business, Linux is doomed by gosand · · Score: 1

    Open source projects will have nothing to copy.
    I kid, I kid.

    But really - Microsoft doesn't need to go out of business.. they just need to accept the fact that they aren't the only game in town. They do a lot of research nowadays, which may or may not always pan out. But it helps to push technology. I'm not really into gaming, but Kinect seems to be a pretty interesting product. Sure, the Wii took the world by storm and was true innovation, and that likely is what led to the development of Kinect. Or maybe it was already in the works, who knows. But let them throw their piles and piles of money at research, and find out interesting things. Let them keep trying to improve their OS, and cramming their software down our throats... as a Linux user, I'm pretty immune to that. Except at work, and there it's business-use only, so it's Outlook/Communicator/GroupChat/Excel/Powerpoint/IE.. and I'm generally OK with that.

    And yes, Gates has done a lot of great things with all his money. He didn't have to, so good for him and the rest of the world. But he hasn't really *sacrificed* anything. He has more money than he could ever hope to use. Percentage-wise, he can give away 99% of his net worth and still live quite comfortably. He's building his legacy, so his name carries on. I just don't think that makes him a great man. It just makes him a man so wealthy that he can give away more money than you or I will ever see in our lifetime. And the act of giving it away, or setting up a foundation in his own name to spend it, makes him great.

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  56. What a joke. by Shorty1911 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft is a drone cause and it would not matter if Billy Gates steps back it, it was dieing before he left.

  57. Nope by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Bill Gate's success was by cheating. The man was a true disaster for MS, Computing, and continues to this day. His work on killing mosquitoes, as well as trying to stop hurricanes is pure madness.

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  58. Re:Gates was the captain of a ship too large by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2

    Gates could not control every aspect of the company. Remember his usability rants?

    He knows what is needed, but there are too many project managers and fiefdoms and it's not a single company working towards a single goal. No Fortune 100 company could possibly be run by a single person. He gives up some control to people, they are expected to focus on that aspect.

    In my mind, I would rather have the CEO finding problems with a product and complaining about it.

    But that's not the point. The point is, so many things surprised Bill, and Steve is still stuck playing catch-up in so many different markets. They have lost their focus and now want to be everywhere, like Google. Except Google knows how to stay ahead of trends. Neither MS CEO knew how to drive that. The best thing for Microsoft is to hire a young guy, make the guy use everything Microsoft, from phones to cars (yes some run Windows), and give him the authority to call out problems. Bill is not the solution, just like Steve isn't.

  59. What would Bill G do different? by guidryp · · Score: 1

    While I don't like Ballmer, I fail to see what Bill G would do that is dramatically different.

    They really need to start grooming younger blood for some future transition point, not at the squawking of some shareholders.

    But really no CEO is going to change MS on dime and change it too what?

    Ballmer actually scored a coup recently getting Nokia to switch to WinPhone, which may have saved windows mobile. He is also pushing windows 8 on ARM and will likely finally have a tablet strategy. Obviously late but changing CEOs won't speed it up at this point.

    Instead of just a demand for a another body, what is it that Microsoft should be doing that it isn't?

  60. hmmm by smash · · Score: 1

    Hmm... whether or not it is Bill or not, microsoft need to do something.

    Apple are currently pushing things. Steve Jobs (like him or hate him) at least has his own clear vision of where he wants computing to go (you may or may not agree, but at least it is consistent - and plenty do appreciate jobs' vision). Steve Ballmer doesn't; microsoft are aimlessly following, copying and (generally missing the point of) other people's ideas.

    They need some clear, coherent leadership and direction. At the moment they're just jumping on whatever bandwagon is currently doing the rounds, and often way too late and half-arsed.

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  61. Apple sank themselves with lies about MacOS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying it was "malware proof", and it's far from that. They used the fake camoflage of "security-by-obscurity" and pulled the wool over millions of people's eyes who are now being afflicted with MacDefender and variants thereof. Lies don't save companies, they only destroy them when the lie comes out.

  62. Vision, and Simplification by TreeInMyCube · · Score: 1

    Back in the days when Bill G was the chief software architect, he was known for brutal meetings where he castigated engineers who weren't able to adequately defend their work. He had an overall vision for the PC-equipped universe through the 1990s, and that was informed by, and guided through, the software technology he understood best. So the key question one must ask in assessing whether he should come back focuses on his vision for the *next* ten years, and how that is informed by the technology he understands. He's not done a lot of work on mobile OSes and apps; by focusing on his foundation, he may not (yet) truly appreciate the challenges and forces that shape the mobile world that will be the major growth area in the next several years. Will Larry and Sergey bring a renewed vision to Google, in contrast to what Eric Schmidt was following? Is Google succeeding because it does many things well, or is it doing one thing *really* well (search) which allows them to expand into other areas (cloud apps, mobile OS)? Alan Mulally succeeded at Ford by simplification -- selling off ancillary businesses, and focusing the efforts and vision on specific, achievable goals. Steve Jobs is succeeding at Apple by relentless focus on his vision -- a walled garden for mobile devices, a premium user experience with premium prices and margins. Perhaps Bill G would take MS back to a simpler, focused vision; but is that what is needed? IBM reinvented itself to have a large services arm, as well as its HW and SW divisions -- a manageable level of complexity.

  63. Gee, that might cause some problems.... by Marrow · · Score: 1

    Microsoft announces it is closing its doors....
    Windows Update Stops...no more updates; virus writers spring into action
    Windows License Server Stops... no more windows installations can run. You cannot even move your existing "Property" to a new machine.
    All those zunes probably self-destruct. All 2000 of them.
    I guess unlocked site-license iso's would crop up to allow people to install the last available version.
    All those planes, trains, cars, subs, destroyers, etc would have had their last update.

    It would be interesting to model the implications as they percolate through society. Kind of like one of those "earth after mankind" movies where the plants and animals take over.

    1. Re:Gee, that might cause some problems.... by Marrow · · Score: 1

      I think maybe the xbox kids might storm the state of Washington. It would not be pretty. They're pretty out of shape.

  64. Dr. Cooper said it best... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    Maybe if you weren't so distracted by sick children in Africa, you could have put a little more thought into Windows Vista.

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  65. Stealing by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

    Remember when Google caught Bing stealing their search results? Thing is, Bing was only stealing the results people clicked on -- and I'd assume most people don't click on spam links on Google.

    Is it possible the reason Bing has less spam is they have more of a human filter than a software filter?

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    1. Re:Stealing by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      I thought that we'd all finally managed to drill it into you people...

      It's not stealing if you have permission (and people did give their permission, when they agreed to the terms of the toolbar). It wasn't Google's data to claim ownership of, and besides - to have stolen it, they'd have to have deprived someone of something, which did not occur. Therefore, no theft occurred, and as the users doing the clicking consented to their click data being collected, no other infringement occurred either.

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    2. Re:Stealing by MrEricSir · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid you'll need a much bigger drill, because it still sounds like stealing to me.

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    3. Re:Stealing by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Stealing. Stealing is when you deprive someone of something. Noone is deprived of anything in the described behaviour. Therefore, this is not stealing. And since the customers doing the clicking consented to Microsoft collecting the information, it's not privacy infringement either. In Google's "trap", they explicitly installed the Bing toolbar, agreeing to those very same terms and then voluntarily sent the information that was allegedly "stolen" to Microsoft. Therefore, no crime nor civil violation occurred.

      Unless you're dense enough to be claiming that Google can own your click patterns, or even excerpts from other people's web sites, in which case- hi Mr Schmidt! How are things going at the Googleplex today?

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  66. Dear slashdot moderators by drb226 · · Score: 1

    Stop with the retarded titles. Even though this audience is obviously anti-MSFT, the title here is an extremely loaded question.

  67. The honest truth? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

    In all honesty, yes, Bill Gates is probably the only person that can really run Microsoft only if you want it to run in the anti-competitive manner it has since its inception. However, for the long term success of Microsoft, then all management under Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer need to be exorcised and an entirely new management team - at every layer - needs to take over - a team that would actually enable the company to work well with the FLOSS community, release stuff under GPL, etc - a team that would not be out to devour all competition but help make the company work with others to build standards instead of employing the infamous EEE methodology.

    No, Bill Gates is not the leader for that. Neither is Ballmer. However, both of them still have enough influence to make it continue in its self-destructive, industry-destructive nature.

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  68. Bill Gates would be an excellent CEO by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

    I totally disagree with all the anti-Bill Gates rants here.

    Let me see where MS was when Gates left? Oh yeah ...

    1. IE owned 90% of the browser market
    2. SQL Server was rapidly gaining marketshare over Oracle and DB2
    3. WindowsCE aka Windows Mobile owned 90% of the smart phone market
    4. Windows owned 95% of the desktop operating system market
    5. Customers upgrading Windows/Office every 2-3 years during life cycling desktops.
    6. MS was first with the MS tablet

    Cons
    1. XBOX lost 1 billion a quarter. Thats the only negative cost center under his leadership
    Things were very good under Bill Gates

    Today under Balmer
    1. IE owns less than 50% of the browser market in North America
    2. SQL Server is rapidly being replaced by MySQL for many internet/intranet sites
    3. Windows Mobile owns only 6% of the market
    4. Windows only owns 85% of the US market thanks to Apple. 10 years ago they had something like 3% market share rather than the 12 - 15%!
    5. Customers are keeping and still buying WindowsXP and Office 2003 and refusing to upgrade if they life cycle to new desktops or not.
    6. Ipads and now Andriod tablets are eating XP tablets for breakfast and took over the whole market
    Pro
    1.I think XBOX is now breaking even

    So, in other words Microsoft is losing their existing monopoly slowly and every new market they are trying to get into is just a money losing division. Notice I did not even mention Linux up there. Apple and google, combined with MS incompentence for their existing monopolies are doing the work for us. The fact is MS already won the war over Apple and the Palm Pilot in the mobile wars. Now they are losing BAD and this is inexcusable if I were a shareholder. You can hate Bill Gates all you want for his business tactics, hence I chose his name back in 1999 as he was perceived as unstoppable then. Something needs to change

    1. Re:Bill Gates would be an excellent CEO by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Let me see where MS was when Gates left? Oh yeah ... 1. IE owned 90% of the browser market

      And was found guilty of anti-trust behavior for how they got there. (EU)

      2. SQL Server was rapidly gaining marketshare over Oracle and DB2

      And MySQL and others were relatively new on the scene and missing major chunks of functionality (e.g. transactions, server-side procedures) that major deployments require. Notice that MySQL and PostgreSQL are also eating Oracle and DB2's lunch.

      3. WindowsCE aka Windows Mobile owned 90% of the smart phone market

      When there was no definition of a smart phone. Honestly, the only time WinCE/WinMo ruled was prior to the whole concept of what a smart phone really is. They ruled, along with Symbian, in the Feature Phone category - a category left behind long ago. Smart Phones didn't truly exist until iPhone and Android were released.

      And, fwiw, MS tried to just put the "Desktop" on a device and call it a day.

      4. Windows owned 95% of the desktop operating system market

      And they were found guilty of anti-trust for how they got there. (US)

      5. Customers upgrading Windows/Office every 2-3 years during life cycling desktops.

      Okay, I'll give you this one. It wasn't until right about the time that Gates stepped aside that MS screwed itself when it changed is Volume Licensing structure in a manner that (i) was detrimental to many of the customers, and (ii) was followed on by non-delivery of expectations that lead to (iii) most customers not renewing their Volume Licenses in the new program and (iv) many started evaluating Linux as an alternative or put more emphasis on doing so in order to (v) leave Windows behind or reduce use of Windows Servers on the next upgrade cycle instead of renewing their Volume Licenses. (It was well publicized at the time that only 66% renewed on the change, and then only 33% of those renewed at the end of the contract.)

      6. MS was first with the MS tablet

      But again, they tried to just toss a desktop on it and call it a day. They did not treat it as what it really is - something very different from the desktop.

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    2. Re:Bill Gates would be an excellent CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One thing you should keep in mind about Ballmer - the only reason why he wasn't given a kick years ago is because Bill throws in his vote to support all of Steve's inane decisions. Just recently Gates strong-armed the board of directors into approving that insane $8bln Skype purchase - which, by all accounts, is overpaid by about $4bln even assuming that it is a meaningful acquisition to begin with.

    3. Re:Bill Gates would be an excellent CEO by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I agree 100% of what your post. Illegal or not it worked and created the monopoly. I do not agree with all of his tactics or like all of his products when he was CEO of Microsoft, but he knows how to make sure people use them and pay Microsoft large sums of money for them. This is something shareholders drool on.

      Yes the Windows powered phones had a terrible interface, and yes the MS Office teams crippled the tablet on purpose. However, this is something that Balmer should have improved upon. Microsoft won these products and the idea of a smartphone was there thanks to Microsoft. Microsoft did make great profits when these 2 products for came out. MS typically likes to put their toes in the water and gradually improve their product quality after it starts generating revenue under Gates. Windows NT and Word were horrible at first. MS cornered these markets and left them right open for Apple after Balmer let them die out. Gates himself said that Ipod is obsolete as users will switch to cell phones right before he left. What did Balmer do? Let Apple take over that market with the Iphone 2 years later. lol

      My point is he had a vision and if he stayed on Microsoft would be making a lot more money. Just as he bashed employees for leaving IE and Office behind compared to their competitors, he would make sure Windows Mobile would look pretty and so would the tablet edition of XP and Windows 7. Hate him all you want but Gates knows how to make money very well. After all, Dos/Windows 3.11 were the biggest pieces of dodo on the face of the earth yet they took over. That says a lot about him as a business man to pull that one off.

      As a user I do not want him back strong arming everyone again, but if I were a shareholder or bank you bet I would be begging him. In all fairness it maybe too little too late now as once you lose the standards bar it is near impossible to gain it back to use twisted standards for your gain. MS no longer sets the standard in phones or html/css anymore.

    4. Re:Bill Gates would be an excellent CEO by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      I agree 100% of what your post. Illegal or not it worked and created the monopoly. I do not agree with all of his tactics or like all of his products when he was CEO of Microsoft, but he knows how to make sure people use them and pay Microsoft large sums of money for them. This is something shareholders drool on.

      Only if they wanted billions of dollars set aside for further anti-trust actions...I know I wouldn't.

      Yes the Windows powered phones had a terrible interface, and yes the MS Office teams crippled the tablet on purpose. However, this is something that Balmer should have improved upon. Microsoft won these products and the idea of a smartphone was there thanks to Microsoft. Microsoft did make great profits when these 2 products for came out.

      Hate to break to you but those came out under Gates (as the Chief Software Architect - still wielding the same power as when he was CEO as far as the product lines went). They were cripped - both OS and Office - on purpose to try to keep people on the desktop. Microsoft has fought tooth and nail to keep people on the desktop. That's one of the reasons why Windows Mobile has never really been any good - and was simply another version of the Desktop version of Windows.

      MS typically likes to put their toes in the water and gradually improve their product quality after it starts generating revenue under Gates. Windows NT and Word were horrible at first. MS cornered these markets and left them right open for Apple after Balmer let them die out. Gates himself said that Ipod is obsolete as users will switch to cell phones right before he left. What did Balmer do? Let Apple take over that market with the Iphone 2 years later. lol

      Again, Ballmer and Gates both want to keep people only on the Desktop. So again, it's no surprise that Apple did the iPhone while Microsoft sat by and watched. It would have happened with Gates as CEO too; he is infamous for missing the boat on technology trends.

      My point is he had a vision and if he stayed on Microsoft would be making a lot more money. Just as he bashed employees for leaving IE and Office behind compared to their competitors, he would make sure Windows Mobile would look pretty and so would the tablet edition of XP and Windows 7. Hate him all you want but Gates knows how to make money very well. After all, Dos/Windows 3.11 were the biggest pieces of dodo on the face of the earth yet they took over. That says a lot about him as a business man to pull that one off.

      Gates (and Microsoft) is most famous for enforcing others to abide by contracts while weaseling out of abiding by the contracts themselves. THat is the primary reason why DOS/Windows took off. And again, Gates would not have done anything different for the tablet or Windows Mobile - he led that for a long time. Microsoft sees the Desktop and nothing else - especially under Gates. If Gates had not stepped aside, then WP7 would have just been another iteration of WinMobile 6 - a micro-desktop. (Not saying that WP7 is any good - it sucks. Just pointing that the interface change would not have happened under Gates rule.)

      As a user I do not want him back strong arming everyone again, but if I were a shareholder or bank you bet I would be begging him.

      See first response.

      In all fairness it maybe too little too late now as once you lose the standards bar it is near impossible to gain it back to use twisted standards for your gain. MS no longer sets the standard in phones or html/css anymore.

      Microsoft never set standards other than de facto standards through their EEE philosophy. For example, they took CIFS and extended it to make SMB, later adding a modified LDAP and modified Kerberos (neither of which are compatible with standard LDAP and Kerberos) to make ActiveDirectory. They only managed not to do that to TCP/IP as they were late on the game for network

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  69. World's greatest living philathropist? by operagost · · Score: 1

    the world's greatest living philanthropist

    Did Warren Buffett die recently?

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  70. Reinventing UNIX by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

    So, Microsoft could change its fate if it started doing programs that do just one thing, and do it well? Who'd guess?

  71. Clone Jobs! by unil_1005 · · Score: 2

    ...unless he's already done that.

  72. Some guy has some opinion about something Film @11 by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 0

    My favorite Slashdot articles take the form, some guy has some opinion about something. He wrote an article stating the opinion. This article contains no original research, or even any information that is not well known. This person does not have any special expertise on the subject at hand. Why do we care what he thinks? Because he is a marginally successful blogger with an opinion about something. That's why.

  73. what ails Microsoft, what's good for us all by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The business was built up on desktop and office app dominance. But now operatings systems are turning into commodities with the advent of virtualization/emulation/cross-platform frameworks and with widespread, sophisticated web standards. Applications are turning into commodities with the reverse engineering of formats and the advent of new standards.

    Essentially, interoperability is bleeding the life out of Microsoft.

    Microsoft's (current state of) livelihood is based on barriers; let them suffer. They won't die, not any time soon -- they make solid operating systems. They do make good products, despite all the security issues and bugs we've seen. But now that they've lost their stranglehold on the market they become just another player. They won't grow this big again based on being just another vendor.

    This is what all those crazy advocates of "open standards" have been trying to achieve all this time. If all that griping about secret APIs and protocol pollution didn't make sense to you before, maybe it begins to make sense now.

    Where Microsoft clamped down on diversity, it can no longer. And the gradual technological progress that Microsoft offered can now be replaced with the fertile offerings of a far wider sphere of operating systems and applications developers. Things like the Great Languish -- IE's stagnation for half a decade during what should have been a period of explosive growth for web technology -- are no longer possible.

    I look forward to watching technology take huge strides, relative to what it had been doing under Microsoft's control.

  74. "...securing Microsoft's future." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the time Bill spent at Microsoft didn't secure it's future, how is a return trip going to make the company immortal?

  75. Nice font by DragonHawk · · Score: 2

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  76. Your kidding right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft? "world's preeminent technology company" No! Lucas Electronics is. "The parts falling off this car, are of the finest British worksmanship"

  77. Victim to the Peter's principle? by HuguesT · · Score: 1

    Microsoft seems in the throes of a fully developed bout of Peter's principle (everyone promoted to their level of incompetence). Bringing back BG would not help that.

    They have lost, perhaps temporarily, the edge they once had, because they do not know what to do in the post-PC era (tablets, readers, smartphones). Even though W7 is halfway decent, the platform is no longer the moneymaker it once was for developers. For once too, they cannot buy they way out so easily now by purchasing the smart new guy on the block, they cannot strongarm (haha) vendors, they are losing their most valued partners exclusive relationship (Intel, Dell, etc). Their developer tools are turning crappy (Visual Studio 2010 anyone?) and no one is really looking at them for direction.

    Now Android is everywhere in that space. I wish this was really good news, but I'm not so sure.

  78. a big IFF.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IFF Gates decides to stop his assault on public education..
    What a generous fascist he is, complaining about how state budgets are too drained while he charges ass tons to the state for his software that goes straight to privatizing our education system!

    Down with philanthropists... Up with revolution!

  79. Just like HP and other companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This likely what would be necessary but it only delays the inevitable. In general, you can't perpetuate companies forever even thought they legally can. All companies have life spans and they are shorter than most people realize. The problem is that it's the vision, drive and ethics of the guy/gal at the top that solely define the success. You can't write that into a corporate procedure manual - it doesn't work. At best, you can be very, very, very careful about picking your successor and hope for the best. But usually that doesn't work either.

    What some folks don't know is that Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard had to come back out of retirement to Hewlett-Packard 3 separate times to un-fuck what the folks they'd left in charge of their company had fucked up! This over a period of 20 years.

    By the time the 4th need for their return came, both were already dead or incapacitated, and so the fuckage continued right through to spinning out Agilent, the original founding core products of the HP, and leaving the name "HP" with the computer/printer group which never had the basic ethics or drive of the old HP to actually deliver the brand value of HP.

    And now you are seeing HP stumble financially and product/market-wise as well. They hitched their wagon to Intel and Microsoft, dumped the actual innovating technology and now, gee, surprise, they can't figure out how to compete with Apple like all their "low road" competitors can not - because they didn't keep up as it was seen to "too expensive" to do so. They "didn't get it" in terms of the HP Way. Not even a little bit.

  80. it's more than just Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    MS has always been a fast follower (Geoffrey Moore)... not leading the market but getting in the market very quickly after the leader. With the iPhone that "fast follow" has turned into 4 long years... that's when Ballmer finally admitted that Win Mobile 5/6 was disaster and fired (or more precisely relocated) most of the management team and all the code was rewritten in Phone 7. that's just not viable in a fast follow scenario as ... if Phone 7 came out 1 or even 2 years later it would have kicked Apple's ass but now the it will take up years of ever to get to that place even with flawless execution from now on.

    The first signs were with the whole VMware reaction about 5 years ago.... MS just hoped VMware would go away and how has an uphill battle with Hyper-V and System Center stack. If it took the queue that this was a massive change in the computing paradigm and reacted appropriately then the VMware battle would have been long over.

    Currently MS has about 7-10 layers of management (in my case i have 8 people who separate me from Ballmer) that just bog things down in bureaucracy and political posturing and continual turf battles. Getting rid of 5 or so of these layers would make significant impact on the agility of the company. Of course with a billion dollars in profits coming in every couple of weeks this is hard to justify. And putting in someone like Sinofsky as CEO wouldn't make things much better. So I don't see any hope but a slow decline...

  81. Re:And if he wanted to help MS *and* philantropy.. by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

    Humans callously wipe out all species which are not of obvious benefit to them. Human-like artificial intelligence is a doomsday scenario.

  82. Re:And if he wanted to help MS *and* philantropy.. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Piffle. This isn't the movies. An AI has no motivations we don't provide. It doesn't hate us or love us. It doesn't want to die, or survive. All it does is process information. We may be able to give AIs motivations, but these will be mixed, just as they are with any other species.

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  83. Re:And if he wanted to help MS *and* philantropy.. by bWareiWare.co.uk · · Score: 1

    We already have plenty of tools that vastly augment our intelligence; human level (strong-AI) is most often defined as being capable of sapience (i.e. wisdom as well as intelligence), which almost certainly implies motivation. I certainly didn't mean to imply that the AI's motivations would be significantly different from other species, ours included. Just the opposite, that they would tend to be the same. History is very clear: when two similar species co-exist they compete for resources till the weaker species is extinct. Given that the AI would have access to the sum of our knowledge, direct control over most of our infrastructure, and the ability to divide and evolve without physical constraint. It would almost certainly be the stronger species.

  84. Re:And if he wanted to help MS *and* philantropy.. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    No, an AI's motivations would NOT be the same. Our motivations are a result of our origins as self-replicators in the organic chemical domain. A survival impulse is built in from the start. No such condition would exist in an artificial intelligence. Food, fear and reproduction, and all the secondary behaviors such as fashion, war or dominance displays; these are characteristics of organic self replicators and would be completely absent. The only time an AI would mirror our motivations will be when we tell them to, in order to further our own organic motivation agendas, of which an AI itself has none.

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