Ads are a turnoff for contributors because they don't want to feel that the content they create is enriching advertisers. Of course, the byproduct of enriching these advertisers is that it helps Wikipedia. But the best thing about Wikipedia, as opposed to 99% of all other websites, is that it DOES NOT CONTAIN ADS. Advertising is the slipperiest, most insideous force out there - once you let it in it's over. Trust me, I work in advertising. I posted a comment on Digg originally about the fact that allowing advertising for Virgin Unite is simply brand advertising for Virgin, a company whose entire business model is based around a brand identity and very little else. It's a shame that they've managed to play Wikipedia and get 1000x more buzz out of it than they paid for. Good business move for them, bad for all of us. Wikipedia needs to be dogmatic about advertising I'm afraid.
I think the issue here is that there's always been a sort of implicit firewall where the stuff you do while logged in (even if targetted by ads whilst looking at your email) remains seperate from the ad tracking done on the open internet. Now what they're doing is using the data from your email to target ads to your machine when you're looking at, say, Slashdot (if Slashdot were running ads from the MSN network). Does anyone think I've misunderstood that. I think that's right...
Dude, you're CANADIAN. What are you talking about? It's like 2% different than being American. It's good that you're more able to empathize with the struggling people of the Congo - cause we were having a difficult time with that one down here.
The only thing that Google has is 1) brand loyalty, and 2) the quality of it's algorithm. That's it. There's no real network effect going on with their products. You don't HAVE to use Google at all. If someone can come up with a better engine and attract more ATTENTION than them it can all change.
-eyeraw
P.S. Throw in WiFi and all of a sudden you're transitioning seamlessly (it's all IP) between T-Mobile's network and your home Airport network.
Apple FTW.
Using data mining with unpublished parameters to come up with risk assessments isn't that different from just stopping people who look Arab at the gates. Instead of distributing the prejudiced judgements out to thousands of TSA employees to make, they're merely concentrating them in the few people who program the system. It's still prejudice, it's just automated and centralized.
-- I'm lovin' it
I agree, I think the Wii has a much better chance of generating love (and that breeds brand loyalty) than other consoles. It's a genuinely novel interface that encourages real-world movement and socializing with other people - in a richer way than just sitting next to each other mindlessly clicking... It's a better user experience than all the others, and I think it deserves all the success it's getting.
-- Wiiiii
I keep wanting to say: It's the design, stupid (also the DRM, but we'll ignore that here...) Microsoft doesn't get proper design, like on an organizational level - thus I think, at least in the short term the Zune is destined to fail from a marketing / product ecosystem perspective. A) It doesn't align product design-wise with any other products they've got (the iPod design fits in with all of the other parts of Apples' product ecosystem - think of how similar it is to the look and feel of an iMac). B) The interface seems to be a one-off rather than be consistent with the software on their other platforms Windows Media Player, XBOX, etc C) It doesn't even WORK with Windows Media Player, which is just retarded D) They simply haven't considered the overall user-experience - apparently even installs haven't been working (having to make custom DLLs etc.)
The user experience, product design, and integration into product ecosystem are almost the ONLY things that matter when you're essentially marketing a commodity MP3 player... total idiots.
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Ads are a turnoff for contributors because they don't want to feel that the content they create is enriching advertisers. Of course, the byproduct of enriching these advertisers is that it helps Wikipedia. But the best thing about Wikipedia, as opposed to 99% of all other websites, is that it DOES NOT CONTAIN ADS. Advertising is the slipperiest, most insideous force out there - once you let it in it's over. Trust me, I work in advertising. I posted a comment on Digg originally about the fact that allowing advertising for Virgin Unite is simply brand advertising for Virgin, a company whose entire business model is based around a brand identity and very little else. It's a shame that they've managed to play Wikipedia and get 1000x more buzz out of it than they paid for. Good business move for them, bad for all of us. Wikipedia needs to be dogmatic about advertising I'm afraid.
I think the issue here is that there's always been a sort of implicit firewall where the stuff you do while logged in (even if targetted by ads whilst looking at your email) remains seperate from the ad tracking done on the open internet. Now what they're doing is using the data from your email to target ads to your machine when you're looking at, say, Slashdot (if Slashdot were running ads from the MSN network). Does anyone think I've misunderstood that. I think that's right...
Dude, you're CANADIAN. What are you talking about? It's like 2% different than being American. It's good that you're more able to empathize with the struggling people of the Congo - cause we were having a difficult time with that one down here.
The only thing that Google has is 1) brand loyalty, and 2) the quality of it's algorithm. That's it. There's no real network effect going on with their products. You don't HAVE to use Google at all. If someone can come up with a better engine and attract more ATTENTION than them it can all change.
-eyeraw
P.S. Throw in WiFi and all of a sudden you're transitioning seamlessly (it's all IP) between T-Mobile's network and your home Airport network.
Apple FTW.
I think the crucial factors in an innovative iPhone are:
-Internal HD, not flash memory
-A deal with a global service provider for Data service rather than regular phone service
That opens up a world of possibilities over the shit we're used to...
-eyeraw
Using data mining with unpublished parameters to come up with risk assessments isn't that different from just stopping people who look Arab at the gates. Instead of distributing the prejudiced judgements out to thousands of TSA employees to make, they're merely concentrating them in the few people who program the system. It's still prejudice, it's just automated and centralized.
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I'm lovin' it
That's a keeper... I'd be good to see people start using that...
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I'm lovin' it
I agree, I think the Wii has a much better chance of generating love (and that breeds brand loyalty) than other consoles. It's a genuinely novel interface that encourages real-world movement and socializing with other people - in a richer way than just sitting next to each other mindlessly clicking... It's a better user experience than all the others, and I think it deserves all the success it's getting.
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Wiiiii
Is that a feature that you can count on working indefinitely? Like, will Google continue to support this practice?
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I'm lovin' it
I keep wanting to say: It's the design, stupid (also the DRM, but we'll ignore that here...) Microsoft doesn't get proper design, like on an organizational level - thus I think, at least in the short term the Zune is destined to fail from a marketing / product ecosystem perspective. A) It doesn't align product design-wise with any other products they've got (the iPod design fits in with all of the other parts of Apples' product ecosystem - think of how similar it is to the look and feel of an iMac). B) The interface seems to be a one-off rather than be consistent with the software on their other platforms Windows Media Player, XBOX, etc C) It doesn't even WORK with Windows Media Player, which is just retarded D) They simply haven't considered the overall user-experience - apparently even installs haven't been working (having to make custom DLLs etc.)
The user experience, product design, and integration into product ecosystem are almost the ONLY things that matter when you're essentially marketing a commodity MP3 player... total idiots.
Try again.
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I'm lovin' it