Not to be a trollish ass, but I'm still waiting on that Mac malware....been running one flavor of MacOS and OSX continuously since 1987 and I've got zero malware and using zero antivirus software.
I just blue screened my Win7 PC in less than 6 months under normal use with some sort of virus, and that's with the Norton AV that came with it running on top of the supposed good Win7 security.
I know, one anecdote, but my life is full of this same anecdote every couple of years and every time time I buy a gaming PC.
Yeah, maybe I suck at getting stuff online without getting viruses, but you know what? When I get the same stuff online from my Mac, I don't get the viruses.
I've owned probably 15 Macs in the past 20 years, and I've never purchased the extended warranty, nor have I ever needed it. ONCE, I had the wrist wrest part of my intel Macbook replaced for free after the warranty expired because Apple recognized it as a lemon problem systemic to all first generation intel Macbooks. And ONCE I got a whole new motherboard AFTER the warranty expired on a G3 233 PowerMac, because of faulty clock-speed controller/design. I got a G3 300(i think), out of it for free.
I don't think Apple is as gracious anymore, given there stronger presence in the market place, but those two acts alone, and of 20 years of this sort of experience, I'll generally pay extra for their stuff. Who knows, maybe it took them 20 years to set me up, now they'll just sell me crap for the next 20?
Indeed unacceptable in a $2k machine. But of course this is going on good faith that there actually is a widespread problem and not just a few outliers. Additionally, there is no trending in this direction either.
Macs are lost on people like you who only see individual trees where there is a forest. (How's that for hippy/gay mac-hipster speak for you?)
A computer (and therefore its pricing) is far more than the sum of its parts. Otherwise, they'd all cost the same...surprise, go to Best Buy, and all the generic cheap crap from Lenovo/HP/e-machines/whoever, are indeed all pretty much the same price, because they use the same lowest grade components. Apple doesn't do this. Just check the power supplies. My e-machines powersupply (250w) died after two months of adding a 3d card. I picked up a really nice one for $70 (500w, nice cabling, well constructed). Is it really worth shunning a nice $70 power supply and jamming a cheap ass $20 one in there to lower the price by probably $10? Why not spend a little extra so it doesn't blow up and I don't have a negative attitude towards your product?
Initial quality surveys consistently put Apple at the top. If you want to limit Apple hardware to just computers with "serious design flaws" then I'd say, one...in the last 20 years (the toaster looking one)?
Yeah the iPhone 4 thing is known as was burning up wireless extenders a few years ago, but other than that, you can't seriously cite a history of serious flaws in Apple gear, can you?
Damn this is such an old argument that has been covered thoroughly for two decades. Apple is like a car manufacturer that makes premium models and doesn't offer a lot of economical cars. If you want an economy car, and you don't like the single Apple choice, go buy an e-machines/lenovo/HP/whatever. Don't, however, come on slashdot and pretend your $500 HP (Kia) is the same thing as my $1800 MBP (BMW) because all you'd have to do is upgrade the engine, chassis, suspension parts, exhaust, and transmission on the Kia to have the same specs as the BMW and you'd have done it for $5,000 less. You'd have a crappy Kia.
Some of us just want to drive the BMW home and don't want spend any time mucking around with our Kia to get it as nice as our BMW.
To further the analogy, don't come to my subdivision and complain about all the 2,500 sq. ft. houses when all you want is your single-wide trailer.
My brand new mid-price generic-ish PC tower is missing things that my 1999 G4 PowerMac had standard. Wireless, Firewire, four memory slots, a power supply that has lasted 11 years (unlike the one I just replaced after three months on my PC), USB Mouse/Keyboard, for starters.
I'm pretty sure I got what I paid for in a $600 pc...an ATX motherboard with less functionality than my 11 year old Mac. That's the tradeoff when it comes to buying a PC with options, or just buying one that is nicely outfitted with little/no options.
It's like buying a car. Ford has a base car with three packages. Helps keep prices down and inventory management easier. Try getting into a Honda/Toyota and you start paying for every little option.
But the dual-link DVI makes sense to their target audience (artists using 30" cinema displays, for example). Just because you and I, random Joe's on/. have never used it, doesn't mean it would have been a good idea to leave it out, considering how much of the target industry would use it.
3D has taken off in a huge way? What planet do you live on? Care to come back in a year and show us all how badly 3D has failed (again).
The fact that anyone is remotely entertaining the notion that an Asus laptop is somehow superior to a MacBook Pro is kind of funny too. Isn't this kind of like that Buick lover who cites the newest studies showing Buick brand as well as Mercedes/Daimler Benz? As if anyone with a shred of automotive engineering credibility is going to think a Buick is anywhere near a Benz....
Cognitive scientist here (well, sort of...I deal in academic tests and metrics)...that's because cognition is the only important field of psychology;-)
Not a scientist here, but are scientific papers actually expected to be justified? The APA (psychology) requires left alignment with NO justification, for readability.
Funny all my friends here in Austin say Houston is a nice place to be FROM...
Lobster? Seriously? Hipsters, yes. They'll grow up some day, but for now, they are far more tolerable than the inner-city crime associated with Houston.
There 1.5 million residents in Austin and surrounding area and about 50,000 UT students, most of whom are not Chemistry students, so that assessment is not valid either.
1. Teachers don't make that much money, anywhere. Small exception would be The Defense Department Dependents Schools (DoDDs) overseas, because they make regular teacher pay ($30-$45k), PLUS they get housing allowances, depending on where they live. In England, we were matching our salaries with our housing allowance, for example.
2. You think public workers IN WISCONSIN are in a good position for benefits? Do you watch the news?
3. 401k with matching contributions from an employer over 20 years is far more appealing than x% pension from government coffers.
4. The pension plans for DoDDs teachers is a joke (but offset by the awesomeness of the housing allowances every year). I think I would have cleared around $1200 a month had I stayed in it for 20 years. My 401k, on the other hand, is already over $40k after 3 years of 2% contributions (with matching employer funds).
The guy has a landscaping degree. Silly city-boy me not realizing the subtleties of agricultural school programs.
And I picked him knowing he knows about grass, plants and trees, unlike the mullet guy who owns a mower and an edger. Coincidentally, I too own a mower and an edger, and don't need any help with simple manual labor. And his prices were in line with everyone else that was providing more service than just mowing.
I know, it's only one story, but given no credentials vs. credentials and an equitable price, many of us chose the more qualified person for our money. He may not be anywhere near as GOOD as some self-taught guy without a degree, but I'll take my chances.
I'm not saying math is not relevant. I'm saying a kid has no way to find relevance if teachers are doing a bad job at teaching the relevance of math. Sure I was able to plug the right values in and solve for x, but so what? What does solving for x do for me?
And yes, I'm saying that teachers fail us in this regard. If you want to say that makes them dumb or lazy, sure, but I think it's more a symptom of the greater problem...our overall curriculum.
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I had TWO C64 floppy drives, so my command was different.
Not to be a trollish ass, but I'm still waiting on that Mac malware....been running one flavor of MacOS and OSX continuously since 1987 and I've got zero malware and using zero antivirus software.
I just blue screened my Win7 PC in less than 6 months under normal use with some sort of virus, and that's with the Norton AV that came with it running on top of the supposed good Win7 security.
I know, one anecdote, but my life is full of this same anecdote every couple of years and every time time I buy a gaming PC.
Yeah, maybe I suck at getting stuff online without getting viruses, but you know what? When I get the same stuff online from my Mac, I don't get the viruses.
I've owned probably 15 Macs in the past 20 years, and I've never purchased the extended warranty, nor have I ever needed it. ONCE, I had the wrist wrest part of my intel Macbook replaced for free after the warranty expired because Apple recognized it as a lemon problem systemic to all first generation intel Macbooks. And ONCE I got a whole new motherboard AFTER the warranty expired on a G3 233 PowerMac, because of faulty clock-speed controller/design. I got a G3 300(i think), out of it for free.
I don't think Apple is as gracious anymore, given there stronger presence in the market place, but those two acts alone, and of 20 years of this sort of experience, I'll generally pay extra for their stuff. Who knows, maybe it took them 20 years to set me up, now they'll just sell me crap for the next 20?
Except you lose credibility trying to use Bentley in an analogy about quality.
Indeed unacceptable in a $2k machine. But of course this is going on good faith that there actually is a widespread problem and not just a few outliers. Additionally, there is no trending in this direction either.
In other words, nothing to see here.
Macs are lost on people like you who only see individual trees where there is a forest. (How's that for hippy/gay mac-hipster speak for you?)
A computer (and therefore its pricing) is far more than the sum of its parts. Otherwise, they'd all cost the same...surprise, go to Best Buy, and all the generic cheap crap from Lenovo/HP/e-machines/whoever, are indeed all pretty much the same price, because they use the same lowest grade components. Apple doesn't do this. Just check the power supplies. My e-machines powersupply (250w) died after two months of adding a 3d card. I picked up a really nice one for $70 (500w, nice cabling, well constructed). Is it really worth shunning a nice $70 power supply and jamming a cheap ass $20 one in there to lower the price by probably $10? Why not spend a little extra so it doesn't blow up and I don't have a negative attitude towards your product?
Initial quality surveys consistently put Apple at the top. If you want to limit Apple hardware to just computers with "serious design flaws" then I'd say, one...in the last 20 years (the toaster looking one)?
Yeah the iPhone 4 thing is known as was burning up wireless extenders a few years ago, but other than that, you can't seriously cite a history of serious flaws in Apple gear, can you?
Damn this is such an old argument that has been covered thoroughly for two decades. Apple is like a car manufacturer that makes premium models and doesn't offer a lot of economical cars. If you want an economy car, and you don't like the single Apple choice, go buy an e-machines/lenovo/HP/whatever. Don't, however, come on slashdot and pretend your $500 HP (Kia) is the same thing as my $1800 MBP (BMW) because all you'd have to do is upgrade the engine, chassis, suspension parts, exhaust, and transmission on the Kia to have the same specs as the BMW and you'd have done it for $5,000 less. You'd have a crappy Kia.
Some of us just want to drive the BMW home and don't want spend any time mucking around with our Kia to get it as nice as our BMW.
To further the analogy, don't come to my subdivision and complain about all the 2,500 sq. ft. houses when all you want is your single-wide trailer.
My brand new mid-price generic-ish PC tower is missing things that my 1999 G4 PowerMac had standard. Wireless, Firewire, four memory slots, a power supply that has lasted 11 years (unlike the one I just replaced after three months on my PC), USB Mouse/Keyboard, for starters.
I'm pretty sure I got what I paid for in a $600 pc...an ATX motherboard with less functionality than my 11 year old Mac. That's the tradeoff when it comes to buying a PC with options, or just buying one that is nicely outfitted with little/no options.
It's like buying a car. Ford has a base car with three packages. Helps keep prices down and inventory management easier. Try getting into a Honda/Toyota and you start paying for every little option.
But the dual-link DVI makes sense to their target audience (artists using 30" cinema displays, for example). Just because you and I, random Joe's on /. have never used it, doesn't mean it would have been a good idea to leave it out, considering how much of the target industry would use it.
3D has taken off in a huge way? What planet do you live on? Care to come back in a year and show us all how badly 3D has failed (again).
The fact that anyone is remotely entertaining the notion that an Asus laptop is somehow superior to a MacBook Pro is kind of funny too. Isn't this kind of like that Buick lover who cites the newest studies showing Buick brand as well as Mercedes/Daimler Benz? As if anyone with a shred of automotive engineering credibility is going to think a Buick is anywhere near a Benz....
Well stated. Psychoanalysis is about as related to cognition as motorcycles are related to water bottles.
There is no answer because the SAT no longer has an analogies section. (Certified College Board SAT test proctor here!)
No but applying the scientific method to astrology demonstrates astrology is a crock of shit.
Cognitive scientist here (well, sort of...I deal in academic tests and metrics)...that's because cognition is the only important field of psychology ;-)
Not a scientist here, but are scientific papers actually expected to be justified? The APA (psychology) requires left alignment with NO justification, for readability.
Funny all my friends here in Austin say Houston is a nice place to be FROM...
Lobster? Seriously? Hipsters, yes. They'll grow up some day, but for now, they are far more tolerable than the inner-city crime associated with Houston.
There 1.5 million residents in Austin and surrounding area and about 50,000 UT students, most of whom are not Chemistry students, so that assessment is not valid either.
I live in Austin. I ain't no South. The worst part about Austin, however, is it is surrounded by Texas.
...filmed in 3D
This is true for any working professional.
By the way, where do you work where you can make $100K or more with powerpoint docs and diagrams?
Defense contracting...pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
1. Teachers don't make that much money, anywhere. Small exception would be The Defense Department Dependents Schools (DoDDs) overseas, because they make regular teacher pay ($30-$45k), PLUS they get housing allowances, depending on where they live. In England, we were matching our salaries with our housing allowance, for example.
2. You think public workers IN WISCONSIN are in a good position for benefits? Do you watch the news?
3. 401k with matching contributions from an employer over 20 years is far more appealing than x% pension from government coffers.
4. The pension plans for DoDDs teachers is a joke (but offset by the awesomeness of the housing allowances every year). I think I would have cleared around $1200 a month had I stayed in it for 20 years. My 401k, on the other hand, is already over $40k after 3 years of 2% contributions (with matching employer funds).
The guy has a landscaping degree. Silly city-boy me not realizing the subtleties of agricultural school programs.
And I picked him knowing he knows about grass, plants and trees, unlike the mullet guy who owns a mower and an edger. Coincidentally, I too own a mower and an edger, and don't need any help with simple manual labor. And his prices were in line with everyone else that was providing more service than just mowing.
I know, it's only one story, but given no credentials vs. credentials and an equitable price, many of us chose the more qualified person for our money. He may not be anywhere near as GOOD as some self-taught guy without a degree, but I'll take my chances.
I'm not saying math is not relevant. I'm saying a kid has no way to find relevance if teachers are doing a bad job at teaching the relevance of math. Sure I was able to plug the right values in and solve for x, but so what? What does solving for x do for me?
And yes, I'm saying that teachers fail us in this regard. If you want to say that makes them dumb or lazy, sure, but I think it's more a symptom of the greater problem...our overall curriculum.
And a dev right out of college in Austin, TX gets the same (and sometimes better) benefits with their private employers.
The only consideration is that teachers get three months off a year, but that's still not $60k a year if they worked full time.