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The Hobbit Finally Starts Shooting

Tiger4 writes "Warner Bros. has announced that production has officially begun on Peter Jackson's movie adaptation of The Hobbit. Jackson even posted a couple of pictures of himself on one of the sets. This despite the strikes, bankruptcies, contract disputes, and legal actions that have swarmed Jackson and the project since his Lord of the Rings days. Admit it, secretly you've been dying to see this happen."

233 comments

  1. I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But why the sudden turn to violence? Who even knew Hobbits had firearms?

    1. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      The new Took had gotten a lot of campaign support from the Arnorian Rifle Association, so even a clearly "cracked" hobbit like Bilbo Baggins could get a gun.

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    2. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by jollyreaper · · Score: 2

      But why the sudden turn to violence? Who even knew Hobbits had firearms?

      Same way it read to me. I'm imagining Bilbo climbing out of the well with a shotgun. "This! is my boomstick!"
      A hobbit with a 'tude? You know that's unheard of.

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    3. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Violence? In the book where an ancient and beautiful dragon is slayed for his treasure? Or where they endlessly kill goblins and wargs without remorse after stealing the treasure?

    4. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He got tired of the "It's not his heart I doubt. It's the length of his arm." And years of being treated like second class Middle Earth citizens. I mean really, Man and Elves got all the glory and Hobbits? NOTHING!

      YOU GO HOBBIT! Stick it to the Men! and elves...

    5. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why the sudden turn to violence? Who even knew Hobbits had firearms?

      Hobbits invented many forms of violence. They were the first ones to "knee cap" some one when they got angry except with a Hobbit they'd bite the person's knees. They also invented head butting which taller people call a kick to the groin. When fighting a human they are also known for biting their opponent on the cheeks thus being the origin of the phrase "bite me" or the term "ass bite".

    6. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those goblins and wargs were an army coming into the area through the mountains specifically to war with the people.

    7. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by bkpark · · Score: 1

      Same way it read to me. I'm imagining Bilbo climbing out of the well with a shotgun. "This! is my boomstick!"
      A hobbit with a 'tude? You know that's unheard of.

      This makes sense only if you ignore the italicization of The Hobbit.

      In usual convention, italicization indicates a movie or book title (among others), so if you read it as the book The Hobbit started shooting ... you have an overactive imagination.

    8. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, you look at the title in an RSS feed or your browser's title bar.

    9. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about firearms? They had plenty of bows and arrows in Middle Earth, although you would not expect the same sort of accuracy from a Hobbit as you would from an Elf, or even a human.

    10. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Dwarven treasure, it's just that the dragon was holding it for them for a little while. Honest.

    11. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, good to see I wasn't the only one that thought this when reading the title.

    12. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      This does prompt the question of why Middle Earth has fireworks but not firearms. Sure, the fireworks in LOTR are magical fireworks, but still...

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    13. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Actually, hobbits are well known for the accuracy and make excellent bowmen. In the Scouring of the Shire, a good number of Saruman's goons get pretty well-ventilated finding that out (as does Saruman himself in the end, as a matter of fact).

    14. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      I saw another website had said "Cameras finally roll on Hobbit"...maybe that's why he's ticked?

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    15. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by egamma · · Score: 1

      Same way it read to me. I'm imagining Bilbo climbing out of the well with a shotgun. "This! is my boomstick!" A hobbit with a 'tude? You know that's unheard of.

      This makes sense only if you ignore the italicization of The Hobbit.

      In usual convention, italicization indicates a movie or book title (among others), so if you read it as the book The Hobbit started shooting ... you have an overactive imagination.

      Buzzkill. Also, on my iGoogle RSS feed, there is no formatting. So there!

    16. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      2 words: gritty reboot

    17. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by peragrin · · Score: 2

      well that and the chinese had fireworks and rockets for hundreds and hundreds of years before firearms came around.

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    18. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Homr+Zodyssey · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

    19. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Homr+Zodyssey · · Score: 1

      For some reason this made me imagine a Hobbit/Friday crossover.

      Thorin: It's like its both of ours. We'll just keep it at my place.
      Dragon: (knocks him to the ground) It's my hoard, Bitch!

    20. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by meloneg · · Score: 1

      Um, are you thinking of Grima Wormtongue? Who stabs Saruman and then is slain by hobbit archers.

    21. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 2

      "... but pity stayed his hand. "It's a pity I've run out of bullets", thought Dildo..."

    22. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you, sir buzz killington

    23. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Aggh, you're right. Grima kills Saruman and *he's* the one who gets pincushioned. Somehow I managed to misremember.

    24. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn bankers.

    25. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Good post! I haven't read that book in decades

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    26. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true, but if you want to get technical, the sentence is still wrong. Even if you account for italics, it would read as if the book, The Hobbit started shooting. Regardless of italicization, "The Hobbit" is still the subject rather than the object. Cameras shoot. Fillm crews shoot. A movie is shot, it doesn't shoot.

    27. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      It was pity that stayed his hand.

      It's a pity I've run out of bullets Dildo thought.

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    28. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by lexsird · · Score: 1

      My iGoogle RSS feed had an AdSense of Obama WANTS YOUR GUNS! to this article.

      Hobbits, Obama, guns; these smack of being the ingredients for a joke.

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    29. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 1

      The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people, A TUMULTUOUS NOISE OF THE KINGDOMS OF NATIONS GATHERED TOGETHER! THE LORD OF RINGS, MUSTERETH THE RINGS, OF THE BATTLE! they come from a far country...from the end of heaven, EVEN THE RING! And the weapons of his indignation...TO DESTROY THE WHOLE LAND! Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces, and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb! Their eyes shall not spare hobbits! --with apologies to Isaiah and Randall Thompson.

    30. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I didn't even read the heading on the page when I came here. The Hobbit isn't italicized in the feed nor in the window title. Some time ago, html tags in titles would show up as source code, but apparently they sanitized that away, which is arguably worse. A clever serverside script would replace the <em>s with quotation marks.

    31. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      A hobbit with a 'tude? You know that's unheard of.

      Which was exactly Tolkein's point with the Last couple of chapters of LoTR.

      Damn, I've not read the book for too long, and I still haven't got the "Director's Cut" discs to refer to the film from. I can't even remember the appropriate chapter titles.

      Question - mostly to myself - Did JRRT write the last few chapters before or after the Socialist Revolution of 1945?

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    32. Re:I know he has a lot to be upset about by MichaelKristopeit412 · · Score: 0
      everything about you is pity.

      cower behind your chosen bovine based pseudonym some more, feeb.

      you're completely pathetic.

  2. About time by Kid+Zero · · Score: 1

    I was wondering what I was going to do in December of 2012(3?)

    1. Re:About time by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear the End of the World is coming out on the 12th. It'll be a blast.

    2. Re:About time by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

      I hear the End of the World is coming out on the 12th. It'll be a blast.

      It's actually the 21st, on the Winter Solstice.

      There now you have 10 more days to live!

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  3. Well, the hobbit start shooting?!? by JamesP · · Score: 2

    Duck, you fools!!!

    Or better, don't duck, hobbits shoot at knee level

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    1. Re:Well, the hobbit start shooting?!? by Speare · · Score: 2

      Or better, don't duck, hobbits shoot at knee level

      "It was pity that stayed his hand," Goodgulf said. "Yeah, pity I ran out of bullets!" Dildo added.

      -- Bored of the Rings (from memory, pardon if it's not accurate)

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    2. Re:Well, the hobbit start shooting?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All trees are felled at ground level, so the dwarven saying has been paraphrased.

  4. Much as I love Martin Freeman by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Okay I love Martin Freeman from The Office, but isn't he a little old for the role? I guess he is pretty short at least.

    And frankly, I still think this whole thing is going to fall apart at some point. Jackson and the studio have been at each other's throats for a long time. I sense a very unamicable parting of the ways coming pretty much any day, shooting or not.

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    1. Re:Much as I love Martin Freeman by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 2

      Perhaps you meant "isn't he a bit young?" Freeman is almost 40, Bilbo Baggins is 50 in the Hobbit.

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  5. No secret I want to see it by trollertron3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No secret needed. I want to see this film. It was my favorite of all the books and I'm dying to see their interpretation of Smaug.

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    1. Re:No secret I want to see it by somersault · · Score: 2

      Likewise, I really enjoyed The Hobbit. When I attempted LOTR I got bored near the end of the second book (well, "book" IV of VI I suppose), and never picked it up again. It's a far better paced story than LOTR.

      I think it's like the difference between Star Wars VI-VI and I-III. I-III try to be far too epic, and fail miserably. The first movies felt a lot more personal, and so did The Hobbit. Also, changing the ring from a simple invisibility charm to the "one ring to rule them all" felt like too much of a stretch for me, and kind of spoiled how cool it was.

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    2. Re:No secret I want to see it by Dracos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I too am looking forward to seeing Smaug. I really hope they base Smaug's design on Tolkien's painting, and not the silly concept that Guillermo del Toro came up with.

    3. Re:No secret I want to see it by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Well, the difference between the Star Wars movies and those 3 pretenders is the change in writers and directors. Although if the change had been for the better, not the worse, we'd have a whole different take on the prequels.

      Whereas in this case, it's the same dude, and it may not be different enough to make it truly interesting.

    4. Re:No secret I want to see it by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Believe it or not The Hobbit was written as a kid's book and LOTR was written for adults.

      (LOTR has plenty of plot holes, you're supposed to enjoy the prose...)

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    5. Re:No secret I want to see it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I for one hope they don't stick Jar-Jar in it.

    6. Re:No secret I want to see it by Dan667 · · Score: 1

      space nascar does that to the first prequel star wars film. Not good though.

    7. Re:No secret I want to see it by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      I too am looking forward to seeing Smaug. I really hope they base Smaug's design on Tolkien's painting, and not the silly concept that Guillermo del Toro came up with.

      Well, we all know that Guillermo's concept was a lot of bull ;)

    8. Re:No secret I want to see it by halivar · · Score: 1

      You haven't seen it animated and CGI'd yet. It's just a concept scketch. It could still be bad-ass when fully rendered.

    9. Re:No secret I want to see it by somersault · · Score: 1

      I had heard that the Hobbit was written more of a kid's book, but I do feel it's a better story. I got kidn of bored in the LOTR films too. Which is difficult because everyone else in the world seemed to love them (that's possibly part of the reason I got so fed up with them, people wanting to re-watch them so much).

      Terry Pratchett books are excellent in the plot and prose/wordplay departments, yet they don't bog down in unnecessary detail as LOTR does. Besides, if I want to really appreciate prose for prose' sake, I'll read poetry..

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    10. Re:No secret I want to see it by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 1

      The firework at the finale of Bilbo's party in Fellowship of the Ring was supposed to be a mock Smaug so that may give a hint of what they have in mind.

      (Perhaps it was just the young age at which I first encountered it, but I still rank Bilbo's conversation with Smaug as one of the scariest scenes I've ever read)

    11. Re:No secret I want to see it by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Hey, some people like the detailed and intricate multiple page format of the graphic novel, others like the elegant and streamlined three frame format of the sunday comic strip. There is no right or wrong in preferring either, merely personal preference.

    12. Re:No secret I want to see it by SengirV · · Score: 1

      Doesn't help that Jackson made up/embellished events and skipped the ending of the book that tied all the lore and ending of the 3rd age into a nice little bow - The scouring of the Shire. Jackson essentially "Americanized" the ending of the LotRs. That really pissed me off.

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    13. Re:No secret I want to see it by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1

      Meesa wants it! My presciousssa...

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    14. Re:No secret I want to see it by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Read Moby Dick if you want an evenly paced book. 400+ pages long with 3 pages of plot. Kind of slow paced, but it's got a lot of good Star Trek quotes in it though.

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    15. Re:No secret I want to see it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best of Both Worlds would be a Jackson / del Toro collaboration like Indiana Jones. Jackson is a great director, but he has zero creativity. Lord of the Rings was dreadfully boring and unimaginative for anybody who had read the books or seen any dungeons and dragons type movie ever made. And del Toro is fantastically creative and imaginative, but has problems following the canon and not being campy. Chronos was more creative than most every other vampire movie, and almost all of the fantasy scenes in Hellboy 2 were more visually stunning than anything in LOTR.

      I actually like this dragon concept as something that could actually exist and fly, and something you'd expect to be wily and smart (it just has to be big enough to be tough). The standard 'plucked chicken with foreclaws' dragon just doesn't make sense. There's no way it could fly even with magic, and by its looks you'd expect it to be dumb as a rock.

    16. Re:No secret I want to see it by somersault · · Score: 1

      Besides, if I want to really appreciate prose for prose' sake, I'll read poetry..

      I just realised this was possible the dumbest thing I've ever actually said, since the thing that distinguishes prose from poetry is that it's basically "writing that isn't poetry". I guess everyone know's what I meant at least. Probably should have said "if I want to really appreciate writing for writing's sake, I'll read poetry rather than prose".

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    17. Re:No secret I want to see it by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I picture Smaug this way having read The Hobbit back in the day.

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    18. Re:No secret I want to see it by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1
      I remember "The Hobbit" along with "My Family and Other Animals" as the first "readers" in Junior School.

      BTW: in case you don't know, there *really* are black pools of water in East Anglia that are somehow *weird*

      (my part of the world when i was young - born in Norwich)

      Andy

    19. Re:No secret I want to see it by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      The standard 'plucked chicken with foreclaws' dragon just doesn't make sense. There's no way it could fly even with magic

      Flying is one of the most common uses for magic in stories. Please try again.

    20. Re:No secret I want to see it by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      it was never a simple invisibility charm, when I read The Hobbit it was quite clear that Gandalf orchestrated the entire trip so that Bilbo would encounter Smeagle and the ring, and ideally end up with the ring, allowing Gandalf to affect it's destiny. What other reason was there for the entire trip? Dragon horde? What does Gandalf want with dragon gold?

    21. Re:No secret I want to see it by syousef · · Score: 1

      Likewise, I really enjoyed The Hobbit. When I attempted LOTR I got bored near the end of the second book

      I KNEW I couldn't be the only one. I don't remember how far I got - pretty sure it was second book also - but the only other book I've given up on like that because I realised I truly wasn't enjoying that was Homer's Illiad. I was bored out of my brain and just fatigued trying to visualise things. Every time I read a new page I found I had to construct a complete new vision or at least severely adjust the old one. It just wasn't fun getting things in huge amounts of detail but without an overview at the start.

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    22. Re:No secret I want to see it by syousef · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not The Hobbit was written as a kid's book and LOTR was written for adults.

      (LOTR has plenty of plot holes, you're supposed to enjoy the prose...)

      Adults on drugs maybe. Don't care if it's unpopular to say this here: I HATED LOTR. One of two fiction book series I have ever intentionally put down after starting.

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    23. Re:No secret I want to see it by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      Changing?
      The Hobbit was written with the full knowledge of what the ring was, that was the reason that Bilbo was so keen on hiding it, Gandalf would've immediately disapproved if he found out about it.

      There are only 20 magic rings in the whole world, and, yes, none of them are too be taken lightly.

      The point is that the hobbit was written by Bilbo, that is the entire point and the reason things are explained very differently.
      LotR otoh is written by Frodo and Sam, both of them much more serious in their writing.

    24. Re:No secret I want to see it by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      Changing? The Hobbit was written with the full knowledge of what the ring was

      No it wasn't. Tolkien made it up as he went along. He later enlarged the mythology, both into the past (the stories in Silmarillion) and future (The Lord of the Rings). He revised The Hobbit when he "realised" the nature of the Ring much later.

    25. Re:No secret I want to see it by Rysc · · Score: 1

      I can't decide whether to mod you +1 Funny or -100 AAAUGH, so I'm replying instead,

      Uh, carry on.

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    26. Re:No secret I want to see it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one cares what you think.

    27. Re:No secret I want to see it by unitron · · Score: 1

      Too bad there's not a +1, Groan mod.

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    28. Re:No secret I want to see it by Rysc · · Score: 1

      Jackson's LotR films are far from perfect, having crap added and a lot of good things cut, but they are far, far closer to perfect than I ever expected to see from a Hollywood film based on the books. I mean, after all these years we *still* haven't got a halfway decent Alice in Wonderland, have we? A film based on a good book tends to be horrible, but at least LotR came pretty close. Sometimes you could squint and it would be just fine! If we can get a Hobbit that's as close I'll be contented enough.

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    29. Re:No secret I want to see it by Rysc · · Score: 1

      This is correct. If you can find an edition of The Hobbit without the later revisions you can sell it for quite a lot of money.

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  6. I hope there aren't 5 fake death scenes by danbuter · · Score: 1

    I don't know how Peter Jackson is going to cram in enough fake death scenes for this. But I guess he can do it with the trolls, the orcs, smaug, and the battle of five armies.

    1. Re:I hope there aren't 5 fake death scenes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      He doesn't really need fake death scenes...

      ***Spoiler***

      as a few of the dwarves actually do die in the battle.

    2. Re:I hope there aren't 5 fake death scenes by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2

      Well, they're having to split the shortest book into two movies, so I'm guessing they're going to let him do all the slow-motion he wants.

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    3. Re:I hope there aren't 5 fake death scenes by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Well, they're having to split the shortest book into two movies, so I'm guessing they're going to let him do all the slow-motion he wants.

      Why did you say that? Now I'm picturing Bilbo's leap over Gollum in the cave done up in a Matrix-style bullet time sequence.

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  7. I admit it... by AntEater · · Score: 1

    I've secretly been dying to see this happen.

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    1. Re:I admit it... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

      Risking a "me too" post, yes, I am too. I sat in the theatre crying during the opening scenes of Fellowship of the Ring. It was all too real, too much like what my imagination had done for it already. Getting Hobbit underway is a stroke of really good news that another well-loved tale will come to life for me again. Now, let's hope Jackson gets this thing in the can and out on the screens some time before I die.

  8. I ate a Cats Tounge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Admit it, secretly you've been dying to see this happen"
    No, I have a job, a life and live above ground

    1. Re:I ate a Cats Tounge by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 2

      I feel sorry for you.

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    2. Re:I ate a Cats Tounge by blair1q · · Score: 2

      Yet somehow you feel the need to hide your fake identity when admitting that.

    3. Re:I ate a Cats Tounge by GunFodder · · Score: 1

      Ironically those are three things that were not true for Bilbo Baggins when he started his adventure. I'm not sure why I felt the need to point this out.

  9. Characters by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

    And apparently it's got Frodo, Legolas, Galadriel, and Sauruman in it...

    1. Re:Characters by LordNacho · · Score: 1

      Same actors?

    2. Re:Characters by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

      Yessir.

    3. Re:Characters by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 1

      I can understand Frodo - presumably Bilbo would have interacted with him in the Shire. but Legolas? Shouldn't he still be screwing around in Mirkwood at the time of the Hobbit?

      And the Lucky 13 never go to Lothlorien, so why would they see Galadriel? Same goes for Saruman.

      I'm not one of those LOTR critics who thinks Jackson screwed up by having too much Arwen in the trilogy, but this might be going a little far.

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    4. Re:Characters by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Frodo shouldn't even be born yet, but I guess it's not too much of a stretch that they could run into Legolas while in Mirkwood. The others are starting to get ridiculous though. I heard they're expanding on what Gandalf was doing while he was off away from the others (something to do with trying to keep Sauron from coming back?).

    5. Re:Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dwarves + hobbit party is captured in Mirkwood and made prisoner in Thranduil's fortress, Thrandiul being Legolas' father. So having Legolas around would be rather natural. However I don't see how they can put Galadriel in without major imagination efforts.

    6. Re:Characters by Dracos · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some corrections for you, off the top of my head:

      Elijah Wood (Frodo) is coming back to do some narration.

      Orlando Bloom (Legolas) is still negotiating over his appearance.

      Cate Blanchett (Galadriel), Christopher Lee (Saruman), and Hugo Weaving (Elrond) are all returning, and of course Ian McKellan (Gandalf).

    7. Re:Characters by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Except frodo wasn't born until Bilbo was 88 years old...Some 30 years after he came *back* from his adventures.

      Given the amount of rewriting he did the first time around, nothing would surprise me.

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    8. Re:Characters by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Well, since they're imprisoned in the home of the forest elves for a good while, that's not much of a stretch, even.

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    9. Re:Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Frodo was born in 2968 and Bilbo left for his adventure 2941. Frodo shouldn't be in the movie at all, seeing as he wasn't born.

    10. Re:Characters by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

      Gotcha. I could kind of see how they'd work in Galadriel and Sauruman but I was really confused as to what Elijah Wood was doing in there. Making a little more sense now.

    11. Re:Characters by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 1

      I've been schooled! ;)

      I see I need to go back and read the books.

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    12. Re:Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Legolas should be in the Mirkwood. Bilbo and the dwarves spent some time in the Mirkwood. During that time, they become prisoners of the local elven kingdom, which happens to be ruled by Thranduil, Legolas' father.

      So making Legolas show up shouldn't be implausible at all. Just make sure he doesn't end up defeating Smaug.

    13. Re:Characters by Fibe-Piper · · Score: 1

      I can understand Frodo - presumably Bilbo would have interacted with him in the Shire. but Legolas? Shouldn't he still be screwing around in Mirkwood at the time of the Hobbit?

      And the Lucky 13 never go to Lothlorien, so why would they see Galadriel? Same goes for Saruman.

      I'm not one of those LOTR critics who thinks Jackson screwed up by having too much Arwen in the trilogy, but this might be going a little far.

      Totally agree with Gandalf's posting horse on this!

      The source material is excellent - take too much artistic license with a relatively concise story like the Hobbit, and you ruin it. If these characters are used in terms of setting up the narrative though; I.e. the whole story is told from Bilbo's perspective after the events of the Scouring of the Shire, then it would make some sense.

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    14. Re:Characters by meloneg · · Score: 1

      Kinda like Chewbacca's presence in the prequels.

    15. Re:Characters by Genrou · · Score: 1

      This sucks. Don't get me wrong, I loved how they portrayed their respective characters in the LOTR movie (except, maybe, Elijah Wood couldn't convince me as Frodo, but, then again, he could never convince me as any character in any movie). What I wanted to see was some diversity -- different people with different acting, different characterization. When I was younger, I would like the unified choice, but these days, I think that difference in portrayals could only enhance the appreciation of both the movies and the books. Having the same actors and the same director is basically the same as having only one artist making illustrations of the book.

    16. Re:Characters by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. There were parts that it made sense to change (leaving out the side trip to the Old Forest, for example), but then there were parts which got changed for no real reason at all, and indeed destroyed key themes from the books. I liked the movies well enough in spite of this, but it was pretty egregious.

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    17. Re:Characters by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 1

      Galadriel was on the white council so she would have been interacting with Gandalf during the events of the Hobbit.

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    18. Re:Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrm... Didnt 'Christopher Lee' die already ? ... How could he 'return' ... ? 'Advance' shootings ?

    19. Re:Characters by camperdave · · Score: 1

      The movie could be done as Bilbo telling his story to his favourite nephew, in the same way that the Princess Bride was a story read by the Grandfather to his sick Grandson.

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    20. Re:Characters by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      But with no detour we didn't get to see Tom Bombadil and I hear his wife is hot.

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    21. Re:Characters by internettoughguy · · Score: 1

      Hrm... Didnt 'Christopher Lee' die already ? ... How could he 'return' ... ? 'Advance' shootings ?

      Alive, but he's 88, so they should probably film all his parts first... just in case.

    22. Re:Characters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. He's very much alive at 88.

    23. Re:Characters by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      The characters played by the returning actors will see much less time in the Hobbit than they did in LOTR, unless of course Peter bends the story to work more of them in (a distinct possibility). However, there are also substantial opportunities to introduce new actors and new characters. There is younger Bilbo, plus Thorin and his dwarven band, Bard of Laketown and many others. I'm looking forward to this next outing and I think, given his superb work on LOTR, Peter deserves the benefit of the doubt in this case.

    24. Re:Characters by dirkdodgers · · Score: 1

      Very much alive and narrating epic symphonic metal music:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93SdirnzTw
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_xl0nhvls&feature=fvwrel

      That's one cool dude.

    25. Re:Characters by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      I try to pretend in my head that the whole second movie is about Gollum. Otherwise I have to come to terms with Eomer wandering off with the entire army, Treebeard who somehow misses that half his forest is gone until the hobbits point it out, and Théoden's excellent King Lear impersonation while beneath him the entire population of Rohan cradles their children...repeatedly.

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    26. Re:Characters by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      My favorite bit with Théoden is in ROTK, when he bitches how Rohan isn't going to ride to Gondor's aid, when Gondor didn't come to theirs. Yeah, moron... that's because you refused to ask them for help, even when people said you should do so. That was quite possibly the most idiotic attitude I've ever seen a person (real or fictional) take.

      Also, don't forget how Faramir (the man who said of the Ring, "Even if I found it on the highway I would not take it," and lived up to that ideal) decided it was a good idea to kidnap Frodo and Samwise to try to steal the Ring from them. Yay, let's gut the most significant part of the character's personality! And the reasoning given was bogus. "Well, we've been trying to set the Ring up as this horrible evil thing, which doesn't work if Faramir can resist it." Way to miss the point! In the book, the Ring is still one hell of a force of evil and corruption, but the entire point is that it can be resisted. It's a choice to take it, not something that you were condemned to the moment you saw it. *sigh*

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    27. Re:Characters by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Yea. The thing I loved about the books was this sense of awakening. Shit hits the fan, the world is falling into darkness, and all these people, forgotten, fallen in glory, old and weakened by time, they all stand up, shake off the cobwebs and ride out to death and glory. Theoden is one of the exemplars of that, lost in depression and despair, and he gets up and rides out like a king, and once he makes that decision, he never turns aside...There is always the sense that he's thinking about it, but every time he chooses the noble course.

      Aragorn the same...How much of the second movie has him pulling this emo "I don't know if I'm worthy" crap? They play him like he's 25, but, chronologically, he's almost 100. He knows damn well what's expected of him, and while he kicks himself for bad decisions, he doesn't falter in his course.

      I'd forgotten about the bit with Faramir...Blocked it out, because, you're right, they totally screwed him. Same with Eomer: changed from a noble hero who'll do the honorable thing even if it lands him in jail, to some spoiled princeling who absconds with the army and leaves his nation to be destroyed.

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    28. Re:Characters by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      RE herr Farimir of the ithilain gestapo - if you listen to the directors commentary they more or less say that they messed with the character and re shot some scenes

  10. Well, it might be great... or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So will this be the epic success that it should be? Or has it be ethnticly changed like so many other movies and turned into yet another example of how changing the orginal story can turn gold to poop.

  11. What I want to know by ArhcAngel · · Score: 0

    What I want to know is where did a Hobbit get a gun in Middle Earth?

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  12. Soundtrack by Randy Newman by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    They got little baby legs
    And they stand so low
    You got to pick 'em up
    Just to say hello

    1. Re:Soundtrack by Randy Newman by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      Smeagol's got a song, too:

      "Because he's got a friend in himself"

    2. Re:Soundtrack by Randy Newman by makubesu · · Score: 2

      Here grass is still growing, And leaves are yet swinging, The white water flowing, And elves are yet singing Come! Tra-la-la-lally! Come back to the Valley! The stars are far brighter Than gems without measure, The moon is far whiter Than silver in treasure: The fire is more shining On hearth in the gloaming Than gold won by mining, So why go a-roaming? O! Tra-la-la-lally Come back to the Valley.

      We're keeping that part in right?

    3. Re:Soundtrack by Randy Newman by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I wonder if he'll be accompanied by Glen Yarbrough. That horrible song from the Rankin version that now is nostalgic.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1XzrhXay4w

    4. Re:Soundtrack by Randy Newman by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      They'd damn well better.

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    5. Re:Soundtrack by Randy Newman by Genrou · · Score: 1

      No, no. This one is already done. Nimoy is rumoured to play Smaug, anyway. Wouldn't it be nice if Smaug sang this when he is having his talkings with Bilbo?

    6. Re:Soundtrack by Randy Newman by fremsley471 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. "You've got a friend in me."

  13. Not dying at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Admit it, secretly you've been dying to see this happen."

    After the travesty that was LotR, you couldn't pay me to watch a Jackson version of The Hobbit.

    1. Re:Not dying at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess I'm not the only one who fell asleep during the first film and didn't bother with the other two.

      I loved the books, though, and since the Hobbit is a more succinct story, I do want to watch this new version.

  14. Hobbits live longer by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hobbits also live a bit longer than H. sapiens. They reach "maturity" in their early 30s and expect to live to 100 (source).

    1. Re:Hobbits live longer by LordNacho · · Score: 1

      Hobbits also live a bit longer than H. sapiens. They reach "maturity" in their early 30s and expect to live to 100 (source).

      This is not much different from modern (rich world) humans... move out of mom and dads at late twenties (even later in southern Europe... look up the term "milieurista"), expected lifetime in the high 70s, good chance of 100 if you live sensibly.

    2. Re:Hobbits live longer by Hatta · · Score: 1

      That doesn't sound too different than humans. Except that some of us never reach maturity.

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    3. Re:Hobbits live longer by MokuMokuRyoushi · · Score: 1

      The difference being that Frodo set out on his journey at the age of 50+, if memory serves, and endured quite well. Perhaps their time is somewhat the same, but the hardiness in their years is told to be set apart.

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    4. Re:Hobbits live longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlike us, however, hobbits can do it while guzzling vast quantities of alcohol and eating second breakfasts and elevenses.

  15. AWESOME!!! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

    Morgan Freeman is going to play Bilbo!

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    1. Re:AWESOME!!! by anyGould · · Score: 1

      With Sam L Jackson as Gandalf...

    2. Re:AWESOME!!! by jgagnon · · Score: 2

      Are we going to get a Hobbits on a Plane movie, too?

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    3. Re:AWESOME!!! by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a Lucas-type Special Edition of the LotR movies (with Sauron played by David Hasselhoff).

    4. Re:AWESOME!!! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 0

      My mistake. It's going to be Milton Friedman.

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    5. Re:AWESOME!!! by jgagnon · · Score: 2

      Can we get Queen Latifah to play Gandalf?

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    6. Re:AWESOME!!! by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      I am sick and tired of these motherfucking rings on this motherfucking plane!

    7. Re:AWESOME!!! by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dwarvish motherfucker! Do you speak it?!?

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    8. Re:AWESOME!!! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      No No No!

      He is already cast as Gollum!

      "Give me my M@%^#$F*&%#&! ring hobbities!"

    9. Re:AWESOME!!! by Homr+Zodyssey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gandalf: I want you to go into that bag and find my ring.
      Frodo: Which ring is it?
      Gandalf: It's the one that says Bad Motherfucker on it.

    10. Re:AWESOME!!! by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1

      Are we going to get a Hobbits on a Plane movie, too?

      No it's going to be called Old Hobbits: Die Hard!

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    11. Re:AWESOME!!! by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thorin (as played by John Travolta): And you know how the humans drink their beer?
      Bilbo (as played by SLJ): They don't drink it out of acorn cups?
      Thorin: No lad, they've got big hands. They wouldn't know how the fuck to hold an acorn cup.
      Bilbo: Then how do they drink it?
      Thorin: They drink out glasses the size of your head. In PINTS.

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    12. Re:AWESOME!!! by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Then you need bruce willis in there too. He can be that bear guy that changes shapes.

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    13. Re:AWESOME!!! by mcneely.mike · · Score: 0

      yes, but in that version, smeagol fired first.

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    14. Re:AWESOME!!! by kryliss · · Score: 1

      No... Gordon Freeman!! :)

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    15. Re:AWESOME!!! by Calydor · · Score: 2

      You mean, "Friend, motherfucker! Do you speak it?!"

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    16. Re:AWESOME!!! by black_lbi · · Score: 1

      You are all too awesome. Started the morning with a laugh, thank you for that.

    17. Re:AWESOME!!! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Gandalf: I want you to go into that bag and find my ring. Frodo: Which ring is it? Gandalf: It's the one that says Bad Motherfucker on it.

      I think you win this thread.

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  16. "hobbit"? No by grub · · Score: 0


    Charlie Sheen is rumoured to be 5'10", hardly a hobbit.

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    1. Re:"hobbit"? No by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Charlie Sheen is rumoured to be 5'10", hardly a hobbit.

      I'd believe 5 and 10/16th ".

  17. Meh. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 0

    I'm still pissed that they dumped Del Toro. The only thing I thought was decent about the first three was Gollum. Oh well.

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    1. Re:Meh. by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      they didn't want smaug to have eyeballs on his hands

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    2. Re:Meh. by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      They didn't dump him, he moved on to get some kind of paying gig. He wanted to get to work and the studio was still drowning in red ink. They couldn't pay for pre-production, so nothing was happening.

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    3. Re:Meh. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Actually he was totally stoked to do a dragon, and had this massive and interesting workup...Love him or hate him, he's one of the most original creature guys out there. He'd have done a badass Smaug...And the fricking spiders? Holy shit.

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  18. Kiss of Death ... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    ...filmed in 3D

  19. because greedo was about to shoot by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    the hobbit was under the table, and could clearly see who was about to shoot first, and han wasn't about to get the jump on greedo, so the hobbit had to rectify the situation

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  20. Surprise! Not. by TopSpin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least for some of us. No matter what obstacle emerges it will still get made. The Hobbit is probably worth more than $2 billion. Tolkiens, unions, ulcers, whatever; ultimately the various and sundry stake holders want their cut and for that to happen it must appear in the theater, and they all know it.

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  21. pete jackson has his work cut out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seeing as martin freeman has 1 mode of acting. its going to be 'the bloke from the office in middleearth'

  22. Oh noes, Muammer is unhappy... by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

    Did anyone else just finish reading the story about the Dutch guy tweeting aircraft data for the attacks on Libya and assume that this story was about Qadafi's response?

    1. Re:Oh noes, Muammer is unhappy... by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Libya is nowhere near N. Korea.

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  23. No, not really... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    Admit it, secretly you've been dying to see this happen.

    Not really. I was crazy about LOTR, that was an epic novel that clearly could be turned into an equally epic movie (and yes, it was a single, 11 hours long movie, that just happened to be split in 3 parts). The Hobbit, on the other hand, is a much lighter and simpler tale; a delicious novel, sure, but not one that seems especially suited to be turned into a movie of the same kind.

    1. Re:No, not really... by Unkyjar · · Score: 0

      Nothing can be as light and folksy as the original Rankin/Bass movie version:
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077687/

      I must say, the songs definitely make me reminisce.

    2. Re:No, not really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.
      large scale epic books fail at being turned into movies. It;s the simple small scale books that make decent movies. The bigest problem with the Lord of the Rin gs movies was how much had to be omitted to keep them to just over 3 hours long each.

      The Hobbit would translate to film better than the Lord of The Rings.

  24. Why does it say "2" Films? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why does it say "2" films in the article?. Is the hobbit going to be divided up into two pieces?

    1. Re:Why does it say "2" Films? by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Yes, they're making two films. There... and ... and Back Again just like Bilbo's book title suggests.

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  25. Am I the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was really into the first three but just haven't watched them for a few years. Now with this announcement I'm just kinda "meh" about it.

  26. Currency by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 1

    Despite all the problems, there was too much guaranteed money to be made to not get this project finished. This movie could stink like an ostrich fart and still make a billion dollars in merchandise alone.

  27. Could take it or leave it. by blair1q · · Score: 3, Interesting

    LOTR was okay. The remake will no doubt be better (except for the inevitable downgrade in the Arwen department).

    But there were like 18 hours of it. Left me somewhat burnt out.

    Unless Jackson has significantly altered his style I'm not sure The Hobbit will feel like anything new.

    1. Re:Could take it or leave it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the story will require Jackson to take quite a different approach. He's always been about authenticity to the story and portraying that correctly in film.

      They did a great job with it in LOTR, and gave it the same feel as the books. I'm confident he can do the same for The Hobbit.

    2. Re:Could take it or leave it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The remake

      What's all this? Have I missed out on some piece of news?

    3. Re:Could take it or leave it. by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      He's always been about authenticity to the story and portraying that correctly in film.

      Shit, he was? Then what were the random "we rewrote entire characters because we know better" parts about?

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    4. Re:Could take it or leave it. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Given how much money it made, and that Hollywood is still owned by suits with no imagination, it's merely inevitable.

    5. Re:Could take it or leave it. by lennier · · Score: 1

      The remake

      What's all this? Have I missed out on some piece of news?

      You didn't get the memo? It's been retitled The Hobbinator Legacy Revolutions With A Phantom Vengeance Of the Fallen... iin Spaace.

      Michael Bay is co-directing with the digital avatar of Ingmar Bergman. I'm told the three-hour breakfast scene where Frodo challenges Death to an eating contest of exploding crumpets is pretty stunning.

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    6. Re:Could take it or leave it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) - 201 min

      King Kong (2005) - 187 min

      The Lovely Bones (2009) - 136 min

      The Hobbit: Part 1 (2012) - 93 min, A Children's Comedy Adventure! ...careful what you wish for!

  28. unrequesitioned combo by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    thanks a lot, now I have an image of Bilbo scrambling around some great cave trying to gather niter, charcoal and sulfur like Captain Kirk.

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  29. The Hobbit by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    We made it into a musical back in 1965 during summer camp. I was a tree.. or frog, something like that, I forget. It was such a smash, it was held over for a second night.

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    1. Re:The Hobbit by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      We made it into a musical back in 1965 during summer camp. I was a tree.. or frog, something like that, I forget. It was such a smash, it was held over for a second night.

      Tom Bombadil, is that you?

    2. Re:The Hobbit by swilly · · Score: 1

      Given his memory, it sounds more like Tim Benzedrine.

  30. the necromancer interlude will be interesting by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Informative

    for those not in the know, they are stretching out the hobbit to two movies, by delving into gandalf sparring with the necromancer (sauron), mentioned in the book only briefly

    http://forum.thehobbit-movie.com/viewtopic.php?p=1929&sid=5d7ebd0d347992d45e1ae7b312077fb6

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    1. Re:the necromancer interlude will be interesting by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call the process of not condensing the story to fit into one movie as "stretching".

    2. Re:the necromancer interlude will be interesting by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      Your sig:

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    3. Re:the necromancer interlude will be interesting by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i guess you like giving your money to rent seeking middlemen. you're right, i'm not your god. some middleman is your god. oh, you thought the money goes to the artist? lol

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  31. Re:Gunpowder for fireworks by blair1q · · Score: 2

    You might ask the Chinese how that can happen.

  32. DIAF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peter Jackson please go DIAF.

  33. Better accuracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought hobbits were more accurate than humans (if not elves), or does that only apply to throwing stones?

  34. Was there ever a doubt? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    It's pretty obvious PJ was just waiting for what he calls "The Right Price". /Apologies to Douglas Adams...

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  35. Game of Thrones by eddy · · Score: 1

    I'm more excited about something that's a bit closer on the timeline, the Game of Thrones series. A little less black vs white, hopefully.

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    1. Re:Game of Thrones by Vrallis · · Score: 1

      I saw the teaser video for it and I'm looking forward to it too.

      I'm just afraid they may completely destroy the books like what happened to the Sword of Truth series. "Legend of the Seeker" was a true abomination, and utterly destroyed the entire plotline of the books.

  36. Liked it best by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Personally I've always liked The Hobbit far more than the LotR trilogy. A much more compact and enjoyable tale - once you could get past the opening jammed full of what are hobbits, 13 dwarves all with names, and what's that wizard doing in all of this? I do realize that this is sacrilege comparable to saying that I likes PC's more than Apples.

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    1. Re:Liked it best by jtnix · · Score: 1

      Gotta mod this up, as it was the same for me. True story: discovered The Hobbit in 1984 visiting a friend who's family was housesitting an old New England farmhouse. In one of the summer guest rooms I found a 1965 paperback version of The Hobbit, the Ballantine Books edition with the pink border and the simple watercolor of Hobbiton on the front. The thing that got me was the map in the beginning and the occasional art throughout. I was hooked. I had to smuggle it home because anything D&D related was strictly taboo in our uber-christian family, and so it took me a while to get through it. I tried to convince a good friend of mine at the time to read it, so psyched about all the adventures contained within, but he could never get past the first chapter of hibbity hobbit nonsense. Still not sure how I got through it the first time, but man, once you are at Chapter 3 there is no going back.

      To address some of the nonsense comments above about a movie adaptation, LOTR could have easily been 6+ two hour movies, albeit 50% boring and rife with backstory flashbacks required just to depict the passages within. I think the Jackson team did a fine job with the trilogy content, and even threw in a bit of the Silmarillion just so it made some canonical sense. The modifications and attention to the very understated female elements of the novels were some of the better changes they made for the movies.

      * SPOILER *

      That said, there is easily enough content for two feature length movies in the Hobbit. In my many re-reads of the book, I was always looking for more information about the Party's journey from Under the Mountain to Laketown, which seemed far too quick, because it was. There was a bit with song and poem and a shapeshifting lumberjack sort at the edge of Mirkwood. And oh boy, I can't wait to see Mirkwood, the wood elves' kingdom, the hall of the Wood Elf king! Apparently Legolas was from the elves of Mirkwood and there at the time of Bilbo's initial passing but never actually made an appearance in the novel; I am sure team Jackson could make excellent use of this fact if they can get Bloom back for another round. Laketown could be fun, too.

      The prose isn't great for the epic battle in the fields outside (below?) Erebor where several of the Party meet their end. But I feel that segment, as with many other passages in The Hobbit, truly deserve a proper depiction, especially for such a marvelous tale told well before its time.

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  37. This one has me worried by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are two major encounters which can completely blow the film. The obvious is Smaug. I haven't seen a good dragon since Dragonslayer. The second is the spiders in the woods. I am not overly worried about the Worgs meeting on the hilltop but the Eagles may be a bit more an issue. The story in The Hobbit is more fantastic from the non humanoid side than LOTR was. So it opens itself to more chances to be bad.

    As for where they break the story, probably after the Spiders and having the dwarves doing their barrel ride, else after the trolls. I am not really sure where a good break is with this book but those the two major events before getting to the Lonely Mountain.

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    1. Re:This one has me worried by demonbug · · Score: 1

      I was trying to decide that too, but without knowing how much material they are introducing for the fight w/ Sauron it is really tough to say. If they were just sticking to the story in the book, I could even see the break coming when they reach Beorn's; I think that happens about half way through, and marks the breakup of the "fellowship" when Gandalf takes off (as he told them he was going to do). Also represents the change from Gandalf being the leader to Bilbo being the leader. However, I don't think this would work timing-wise if they introduce a lot of material, as it would leave a heck of a lot to cover for the second movie.

      My guess is that the first film will end when they reach Esgaroth, and the second film will backtrack to cover Gandalf's story, interspersed with the Dwarves going to the Lonely Mountain. This would make a lot of sense, as it would center the second movie around the fight with Smaug (an early Exciting Moment) and the buildup to the battle of five armies (which is really what Gandalf's role in the story is all about).

      I guess we'll find out soon.

    2. Re:This one has me worried by Viperpete · · Score: 1

      As for where they break the story, probably after the Spiders and having the dwarves doing their barrel ride, else after the trolls. I am not really sure where a good break is with this book but those the two major events before getting to the Lonely Mountain.

      It really would depend on where exactly PJ decides to pad out the side questing of Gandolf and any cut scenes to Sauramon and possibly Gollum (it would surprise me if extra Gollum scenes were not added to this one.) I would suggest right after the spiders just as they encounter wood elves or possibly when they meet with Beorn . The trolls are just way too early, they are the first baddie encounter in the book, 2nd chapter.

      Recruitment - Trolls - Rivendell - Mountain Goblins - Gollum/Ring - Wargs/Goblins (treed) - Eagles - Beorn the Bear - Spiders - Wood Elves/Barrels - Lake Town - Lonely Mountain Back Door - Bilbo Burgles Smaug - Smaug Dies - Battle of Five Armies - Bilbo Returns to Shire

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    3. Re:This one has me worried by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on Dragonslayer, but the ones in Reign of Fire were good too.

      Youtube: Reign of Fire part 13
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bw9AERXAjM

      (Start at 4:50)

          - aj

    4. Re:This one has me worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all assuming they don't change the god damned story again.

    5. Re:This one has me worried by gdamore · · Score: 1

      The logical break in the story is after the spiders, with the Dwarves still imprisoned in the wood elf's kingdom.

  38. Recovered by the earthquake in NZ? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Do I assume NZ is recovered by its major earthquake/quake?

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    1. Re:Recovered by the earthquake in NZ? by lennier · · Score: 1

      Do I assume NZ is recovered by its major earthquake/quake?

      As a Christchurch resident, the answer is 'yes, sorta, depends'.

      The Feb 22nd earthquake happened only in Christchurch, and in fact was very very localised pretty much to the central business district and East Side. A few dozen kilometers out into the farmland suburbs/exurbs, there's no damage at all.

      We're in the process of reopening Christchurch businesses right now. Yes, Christchurch's central city high-rise hotels are currently toast, which sucks for local tourism, but the capital city Wellington, where Jackson's studio is based, is on a whole other island, and is completely unscathed. Auckland, our only big city and the business hub, is even more unscathed. So unless you're doing adventure tourism (or the Rugby World Cup... sigh....) Christchurch isn't much of an issue.

      I don't know where the Hobbit is shooting, and they'll probably be coming to the South Island to do stuff at some point, but odds are most of the production will be in Wellington and that when they do hit the South Island they'll be going to sufficiently distant places that they'll do their own logistics - helicopter flights and stuff - so I doubt the lack of bulk hotel capacity in Chch will hurt them.

      Now Wellington does happen to be right smack on its own fault line (had a huge one in the 18whatsits), and we here in Christchurch always thought that if there was an earthquake, Wellington would be hit first. Shows what we know, but of course there's always a chance it could happen again.

      On the other hand, Japan got hit instead, so... beats me how this earthquake prediction business works.

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    2. Re:Recovered by the earthquake in NZ? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Yeah, it has been very quiet from NZ's area with Japan and other world news. :)

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    3. Re:Recovered by the earthquake in NZ? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Do I assume NZ is recovered by its major earthquake/quake?

      The earthquake only struck the South Island, near a city named Christchurch (CHCH for short). Most of UnZud (NZ in the native Kiwi tongue) is OK. The city has begun rebuilding, the big issue is that many of the buildings are still standing but are now unsafe and have to be torn down, CHCH didn't suffer anywhere near the level of destruction that Japan did.

      The Kiwi film industry should be fine to shoot the hobbit.

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    4. Re:Recovered by the earthquake in NZ? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Cool and thanks. :)

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  39. I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope Leonard Nimoy gets a cameo in the movie, and a reprise musical number. He'd make a great elf, with the pointy ears and all.

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    1. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Shatter has a cameo. He got the part because they were able to use his old toupees as foot hair appliances. The budget is a bit tighter on this one and every dollar counts.

    2. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by halivar · · Score: 1

      If this comes to pass, the entirety of mankind's future scientific progress will be driven by the single-minded purpose of killing you before you posted this.

    3. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Reference link for those who haven't seen it yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2HQ1K7YyQM

    4. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by pclminion · · Score: 1

      You know, Nimoy went to the trouble of writing a book called I Am Not Spock because he's so damn annoyed at constantly being thought of as a pointy-eared Vulcan...

    6. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by ozbird · · Score: 1

      That's illogical.

    7. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Until he grew old and forgotten, and realized that the only thing he really ever accomplished--and the only one anyone ever remembers him for--is being Spock.

      Check him out in recent interviews; he is *happy* to even get recognition at all. He realized that he almost burned those bridges with his loyal fans.

              -dZ

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    8. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS is about as far from Spock as ANY person could ever be:

      The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins

      In the middle of the earth in the land of the Shire
      lives a brave little hobbit whom we all admire.
      With his long wooden pipe,
      fuzzy, woolly toes,
      he lives in a hobbit-hole and everybody knows him

      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      He's only three feet tall
      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

      Now hobbits are a peace-lovin' folks you know
      They don't like to hurry and they take things slow
      They don't like to travel away from home
      They just want to eat and be left alone
      But one day Bilbo was asked to go
      on a big adventure to the caves below,
      to help some dwarves get back their gold
      that was stolen by a dragon in the days of old.

      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      He's only three feet tall
      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

      Well he fought with the goblins!
      He battled a troll!!
      He riddled with Gollum!!!
      A magic ring he stole!!!!
      He was chased by wolves!!!!!
      Lost in the forest!!!!!!
      Escaped in a barrel from the elf-king's halls!!!!!!!

      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

      Now he's back in his hole in the land of the Shire,
      that brave little hobbit whom we all admire,
      just a-sittin' on a treasure of silver and gold
      a-puffin' on his pipe in his hobbit-hole.

      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      He's only three feet tall
      Bilbo! Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins
      The bravest little hobbit of them all

    9. Re:I hope Nimoy gets a cameo by boxwood · · Score: 1

      Amazon recommends another book by Leonard Nimoy called I Am Spock

      So I think he's cool with it now.

  40. Hey Peter! by Sla$hPot · · Score: 1

    Just in case you ever read SlashDot.
    Why don't you cast your self as Bilbo?
    It's so much you! standing in front of the circular door at the set.
    Will you consider it? Peter Baggins?

  41. Didn't like LOTR, by Adam+Appel · · Score: 1

    Didn't hate it, but it didn't really do anything for me. I like the books. BUT, I loved the Hobbit and I hope the movie does it justice. This is the all time adventurer story.

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  42. Obviously a photoshop by necro81 · · Score: 1

    Those pictures are obvious fakes: everyone knows Peter Jackson only ever wears shorts!

  43. Smaug won't be in it by halivar · · Score: 1

    He will be replaced by Arwen instead. Also, Bilbo will not find the ring in Gollum's cave. Gandalf will hand it to him with the sword and say "Here, I got these for you."

    Sorry to spoil the surprise.

    1. Re:Smaug won't be in it by gdamore · · Score: 1

      Heh. As good as LOTR movies were, I was *really* irked by what they nuked. So, in this case, there will be no Battle of the 5 Armies; instead they're going to skip and dance along a Yellow Brick Road (the Old Road recently was repaved) all the way back to Hobbiton.

    2. Re:Smaug won't be in it by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Given "The Two Towers: The Battle For Helm's Deep - A Love Story", I sincerely doubt the Battle of Five Armies is going to get cut. It's all the stuff about a ring and stuff that's going to get cut instead, and replaced with a few love interests and extra footage of the Battle of Five Armies. The extended version might add back in a few piffling details, like Gollum and the Ring, etc..

      I'm very much looking forward to The Hobbit done as a movie, I'm sure it'll be very good (especially considering the previous attempts to film The Hobbit, but you could watch Silent Running and call it a remake of The Hobbit and it would work better than the previous attempts), but I share your irkage in Jackson's selection of scenes. I just think his focus is going to be the opposite of what you suggest - the violent bits will certainly be taking center stage.

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    3. Re:Smaug won't be in it by Rysc · · Score: 1

      This brings up an important--and dreadful--point: Where's the love interest? Neither LotR nor The Hobbit had one, really, but Jackson managed to read one in to LotR in a way which was palatable if not very smooth. In The Hobbit are there even [b]any[/b] girls? Certainly Bilbo can't have a love interest, so who? One of the dwarves? Gandalf? What exactly is Jackson going to do given that Hollywood has a formula for movies which demands a love interest?

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    4. Re:Smaug won't be in it by natehoy · · Score: 1

      Arwen and Aragorn were a love interest in the original books, it just wasn't hammered into the reader every page or two like the movies felt it necessary to do in nearly every scene. It was actually kinda important to the theme, but cutting half the "mystical connection through the crystal faerie" dream sequences could have left room for Bombadil or the enslavement of the Shire.

        There was also the love interest between Sam and Rosie, which I think was handled pretty well in the movies (though in the books it was an additional bit of suspense in the enslavement of the Shire, so there wasn't a whole lot of point covering it except to give Sam a strong reason not to want to leave, and demonstrate how strong his character is).

      But no, I don't recall any love interest in The Hobbit other than maybe something about Bard (the archer who kills Smaug). I think he was either married or had the village women mooning over him or something. But it was not a major plot device. If nothing else, that archer could have a love interest created for him out of whole cloth without mucking up the central plot too terribly much, as long as they don't make it too important (his wife is imprisoned by Smaug or something?).

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  44. doesn't have to imply firearms, how about missiles by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    An arrow of fire with an ever longer tail of smoky pume leapt forth from the shoulder of the hobbit, over the head of Legolas who had yet to fully draw his bow, the brilliant bolt curving into the sky at the winged fell beast, and smote it in the belly with a flash and roar. Vile and putrid entrails rained down upon the party. "I shot at him with the FIM-92 Stinger of Galadriel; I felled him from the sky!", boasted the hobbit. "He filled us all with fear. What new terror is this?". Replied Gandalf, "One that you cannot slay with portable Raytheon missile systems, You only slew his steed. It was a good deed; but the Rider was soon horsed again"

  45. But it already came out years ago! by kevinmenzel · · Score: 1

    Seriously! It did! The Hobbit is sitting on my DVD shelf right now... oh you mean they're making a version that ISN'T animated? Well how on earth is The Hobbit supposed to keep my attention for a few hours without constant breaking in to song?

  46. Pfft, wake me for ... by SengirV · · Score: 1

    ... The ten part Silmarillion movie. This is simply a kids story. Show me some hott elf on elf killing to wipe that smug look off of Elrond face whenever he's talking about the evil/vile humans. Self hating half-human hypocrite that he is.

    Grrrrrrrr

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  47. That's fine, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's fine, but will it be in 3D??? It has to be in 3D!!!! I will only see movies in 3D!!! I want the dragon to fly out of the screen!!! ..... don't know why they're filming there since it will be CG anyways. /shrugs

  48. Re:doesn't have to imply firearms by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    And to the door, commanded he "Annon Edhellen, edro hi ammen!". But the doors were steadfast. "Fennas Nogothrim, lasto beth lammen!", cried Gandalf, to no avail. Observed Pippen, "but nothing is happening". "Knock your head against these doors, Peregrin Took! And if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will try to find the opening words........Oh, it's useless!", the exasperated wizard proclaimed, throwing down his staff and sitting beside Frodo, and off his hat to think. Frodo snorted, "cursed copulation with orcs upon this magic word bovine manure, my patience has long since been consumed with this pettiness". Furiously keying in coordinates into his iPhone, he summoned the MQ-1 with the AGM-114 missiles from on high. With a faint sneer curling his lips, he turned toward his peers, advising them in a still voice, "run like hell, for verily the Hellfires come!"

  49. The Hobbit Finally Starts Shooting... by islon · · Score: 1

    ...did he kill anyone already?

  50. Peter Jackson thin by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Wasn't he fat?
    I'm not sure I trust a thin man to be a good geek.

  51. I've been dying to see it fail by toby · · Score: 1

    & J.R.R. Tolkien's oeuvre spared this final insult.

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  52. A Hobbit Video Game Has Been Long In The Works. by OverDaHype · · Score: 1

    Almost as soon as the deal was struck for the movie, the production of the Hobbit video game began. I've been hearing about it for the last 2 years from the lead
    artist on the game Morgan Wolverton. If the game is anything like the work on his site, it's going to feature some really twisted looking creatures and scenes.

  53. October 1999 by PMuse · · Score: 1

    My, how eleven and a half years just fly by in this middle Earth.

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  54. No I haven't been dying for this to happen by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

    Fuck the MPAA.

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  55. This is what I hate about the LOTR movies by J-1000 · · Score: 1

    They surgically removed the subtleties of the story not to save time but to make way for new content that intensifies the action and romance, as if the story itself did not contain enough meat to entertain audiences. Guillermo del Toro gave me hope that The Hobbit would be different, but now that he's gone I can already see the heavy hand of Peter Jackson at work.

    1. Re:This is what I hate about the LOTR movies by boxwood · · Score: 1

      Well it would be kind of weird if Aragorn didn't go with Eowyn and then at the end this Arwen chick we never seen before just shows up out of nowhere and then he goes off with her. Also he'd seem pretty arrogant if he was all like "Yeah I'm the king, see this sword? yeah that makes me King so bow before me bitches!"

      So they explained the love story between Aragorn and Arwen in the movies, they showed him as a humble guy who became king because he was needed by his people, show the reforging of the sword, etc during the movie. Because movies don't have appendices, so a lot of stuff doesn't make any sense if you don't stick it in there somewhere.

      One of the first rules of making movies is "show don't tell". This is also why the star wars prequels sucked. They tell us that Obi Wan and Anakin are good friends, they tell us that Anakin has been trained to be a Jedi, they tell us that this Greivous guy is really important, but we never are actually shown these things.

      Books and movies are different mediums. In a book you can go off on a tangent like Tom Bombadil for a chapter and its fine. With a movie there is a flow, and you don't want to interrupt the flow with things that don't really move the plot along or expose anything about the characters.

      I'm not sure about the scouring of the Shire scene. When I heard about it being removed, I thought it was a mistake. But watching Return of the King in the theatre made me think PJ may have made the right decision on that. After Aragron was crowned king everyone was getting ready to go, satisfied with a good movie. Then when we see the boat sail to the east, once again everyone was once again starting to get their things together. But we see Sam back in the Shire and you see the audience all like "WTF? More?" And when we finally see "The End" on the screen people seemed to be relieved. Maybe if there was a scouring of the Shire it would have been like a surprise action scene at the end so having another wrapup scene would have felt more natural. But from what I could see people were a little annoyed that the movie kept going on longer when they'd already gotten what they paid to see. Most people would have rathered there be less endings rather than more.

      So yeah, if PJ were 100% faithful to the books maybe the fanboys would have been happy, but 99% of the movie going audience wouldn't have liked it. They wouldn't have liked it because they just wouldn't have been good movies. PJ was as faithful as possible to the books while still making good movies from them.

      And yeah sticking in some characters from LoTR in there that weren't originally in The Hobbit is a smart move. People like those characters and would be interested to see what they were doing in that time period. While reading The Hobbit I was interested in knowing more about what was going on with Gandalf and the Necromancer, so it'll be cool to see that. Similarly I was always interested in what was going on in Osgiliath in LotR, so I was glad to see that expanded on in the movies.

      And even Tolkien didn't regard The Hobbit as holy. He rewrote the Riddles in the Dark chapter to make it fit in better with LotR. PJ is just making more changes to make it fit in even better, while also making the story work better as a movie.

    2. Re:This is what I hate about the LOTR movies by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      you don't have to like peter jackson's lotr. but you do have to recognize that your judgment of his work is in the vanishing small minority. it's a smash success, critically and in the box office. you also have to recognize that mindlessly negative voices on any subject on the internet are cheap, easy, and everywhere

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    3. Re:This is what I hate about the LOTR movies by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      mod parent way up

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  56. Great news by Isabellajohnson45 · · Score: 1

    Wow I'm definitely going to watch this one.

  57. So what exactly happened? by ed1park · · Score: 1

    Did Jackson and the studio come to a settlement and reveal the books to clear up their creative Hollywood accounting?