Im sorry man... I dont want to belittle anything you have done. Im sure you have worked your ass off at all of youre jobs and I have no doubt that you are quite skilled
but anyone who makes that kind of money and doesnt consider themselves lucky for it might just want to take another look...
he infact sayst that the "Do" build too much margin into their products.
seems like more than a guess to me.
My point is that the computers apple sells may actuay be better than Pentiums in Price/performace... it all depends on how much better the G3 is compared to the pentium... according to the poster we cannon know this
so how can he know that apple has worse price performance.
the first is that we are not qualified to make a judgement on the relative power of the 2 chips running these systems and the second is that apple has lower price/performance than intel
how can you possibly say that.
if you cant make a judgement on the power of the system then how can you say that apple charges too much for them...
what if the G3 realy is twice as powerfull... what if its 10 times as powerfull...
still not worth the money?
you have violated your own rules here... you think that the G3 isnt worth the extra money... perhaps other people think that it is...
I have used celeron and G3 systems and I would take the G3 any day of the week... I wouldnt pay 5 times as much for it, but I would pay more.
Apple just upgraded the iMac to 333MHz... and the cost is still around $1,100. thats a damn good price performance ratio expecialy considering it comes with one of the finest monitors I have seen (I was just running one at 1024X768 with a refresh rate of 95Hz... nice and crisp)
Currently dell sells a celeron at that price also 333MHz... most other stats are the same but the Celeron isnt as fast as the G3.
I mean sure, you can get a better price performance ratio... but not that much better... Its a worthy machine at its price point...
I dont know man... after spending thoes days on St Johns, Im looking for an employer that will let me telecommute....
I like the idea of writing my code while sitting on the beach with crystal blue ocean infront of me and frozen drinks with little unbrellas in them being brought to me by exotic waitresses in skimpy outfits.... I think it would help me focus
Think about it... if people are only buying AOL machines or Wintell macines you can say goodbye to the internet as we know it. AOL will pull into its shell like before and Microsoft will Innovate the web right out from underneath us. There wont be much of an internet left for Mac users or independent linux users...
not so funny is it...
Still I dont see this happening... Im not to worried about AOL trying to take over the world... I think they might try this (would be a good move on their part) but I dont think it would be so sucessfull that it could fragment the online world.
The problem is that the decision is between a hard to use widget (one that you have to specialy configure to a given task and command perfectly to do that task) and a collection of appliances which allow you to "press a button" and wash the dishes, cook dinner, email all your friends, remind you of meetings, do your taxes.
this is the difference... The _idea_ is to produce a bunch of extraordinarily simple apliances that do one thing realy well... the target market isnt people like you and me but rather people who dont currently own computers and, frankly, are afraid of them...
Im not sure if this will work the way everyone seems to want it to work (yea... like my microsoft toaster is gonna talk to my apple brand bred box to make me a bagel:)
The longer this goes on the more likely we are to have laws pased that are supposed to stop crackers and virus writers. And with these laws in place, when a new virus comes out or a system is comprimized the public will say "How could these evil people be breaking the law like this... why cant the government stop them?"
When the public has this outlook, it will be even easier to get more such laws passed (you want to stop these people right... well then give us more power).
Its a self propogating problem... and the longer it goes on the less likely anyone will be to question the quality of the software being comprimized. The blame will be placed on the criminal or on the law enforcement agents unable to catch the criminal... and microsoft can continue to produce software with integrated virus hooks.
We cant expect end users to wake up and start holding microsoft (or any other company) accountable overnight. Its up to people like us... programmers, who need to make software that is secure... and more improtantly, MIS people who must demand more from their software...
Its about time someone got fired for choosing microsoft when the solution simply didnt fit the problem... the whole "its from vendorX just like everything else we run... it must be the most suitable solution for us" mind set has to be abolished.
I agree... I am a terrible speller, does that mean that I have absolutely no chance of ever being a hacker...
hell, I could be the greatest programmer of all time, I could solve the halting problem durring my lunch hour and release an open source program to demonstrate the solution for all others to see and use, but if my documentation was poorly edited I guess I just couldnt be a hacker
I mean common, lets go a bit easier on the spelling impaired here!
a prize to the person who responds to this intelegently without correcting any spelling errors!
Im not sure if you noticed but sony is at the forfront of this whole firewire thing... they are sort of pushing REALY hard for it to be included in absolutely everything
there is no way that it wont be in this.
besides, it may be usefull for expansion and add ons and since they are on the origional firewire licence its probably not that expensive for them to put it in a consumer device like this
first off there may be a smaller percentage of mac users but a larger percentage of them are online (and thus customers) think of all the wintell machines that are sitting at business that are NEVER going to be customers for this product... think of all the wintel users that are not online...
sure, its not even, but its not as bad as you make it out to be...
as far as software support is concerned, they already support the iMac so they have to support all 8.* systems... well, make that a requirement that will cut out all the 68030's like the LC few people would complain. hell you could restrict more than that (pci powermacs would be a good example) and few people would complain. you certainly wouldnt have this PR nightmare on your hands.
As for hardware support... yea, like there arent too many kinds of hardware on the wintel side. humm maby they should say that they will only support brand name machines. that would save them lots of money but not reduce their target market by that much (since most consumers buy brand name)
please, consider these things before you post... there are plenty of companies offering highspeed access to the mac (mediaone for instance) and making the business model work. Bell Atlantic could do the same.
dud you are making some pretty hardcore assumptions here.
first off the reason thoes demos "scream" is that they take advantage of a new set of instructions. These instructions are designed for multimedia work and do infact accelerate certain tasks when software is written to take advantage of them.
Similarly in the G4 there is a new peice of technology (altivec) which does very similar things, also requireing software to take advantage of it.
The difference is that altivec is capable (theoreticaly anyway) of a FAR greater increase in processing power than KNI (the instructions in the PIII). I think you are being a little bit premature with your assumptions about the G4.
Also, by this time next year, we should be seeing "multi-core" G4's with efectively 2 or 4 chips on a single processor, allowing for some serious speed. meanwhile you can expect the pentium arhitecture to begin topping out in its ability to increase in speed... youll notice that the frequency at which intell releases faster chips has decreased over the past few years... you wont see another substancial revoluton from intel untill IA-64 becomes available.
in addition I would encourage you to look at these chips from a price performace perspective. despite a smaller overall market and therefore smaller volumes of chips the G3 is substancialy cheaper than the pentium II despite its exceptional performace.
yea I liked the way he backed up all his assertations with facts... Like this one (reposted from MacNN.com)
Responding to his Carmack's comment that "Spec95 is a set of valid benchmarks in my opinion, and I doubt the PC systems significantly (if at all) outperform the intel systems," one reader noted the actual numbers:
Well from the sounds of it, boba fett will be in the second (and presumably third) prequell and will infact have a much larger role in the total arc than what we have already seen.
you do, however, make a very good point. For some reason Boba Fett really captured the imaginations of many star wars fans, many of whom (I belive) want to see the character expanded upon. Perhaps it was something in lucases portrayal (limited though it may be) of the character that has caused this response... if that is the case (and if lucas ment to do that) than maby film students should take a closer look at the character because Boba Fett is certainly one of the most revered characters in the trillogy...
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Im sorry man... I dont want to belittle anything you have done. Im sure you have worked your ass off at all of youre jobs and I have no doubt that you are quite skilled
but anyone who makes that kind of money and doesnt consider themselves lucky for it might just want to take another look...
Quite the contrary...
he infact sayst that the "Do" build too much margin into their products.
seems like more than a guess to me.
My point is that the computers apple sells may actuay be better than Pentiums in Price/performace... it all depends on how much better the G3 is compared to the pentium... according to the poster we cannon know this
so how can he know that apple has worse price performance.
you have just made 2 statements
the first is that we are not qualified to make a judgement on the relative power of the 2 chips running these systems and the second is that apple has lower price/performance than intel
how can you possibly say that.
if you cant make a judgement on the power of the system then how can you say that apple charges too much for them...
what if the G3 realy is twice as powerfull... what if its 10 times as powerfull...
still not worth the money?
you have violated your own rules here... you think that the G3 isnt worth the extra money... perhaps other people think that it is...
I have used celeron and G3 systems and I would take the G3 any day of the week... I wouldnt pay 5 times as much for it, but I would pay more.
It is possible that I am mistaken... I will try it again when I get the chance
also it was a rev A imac not one of the new ones and was running at thousands of colors (before the increased Vram)
Correction... the iMac after rev A has 6MB Vram
Corect me if Im wrong... otherwise you are absolutely corect... My parents were just shoping for this dell...
if the processors were equal then the machines would be the same... unfortuantely the G3 is superior to the celeron
thems the breaks Dell.
WOW you can get at anything withough a screwdriver... thats great!
how long does it take?
The performa 646 only required the removal of 2 screws to get ant any part of the inside...
it also took about a half hour... I need a little more info (Ive never seen these cases before...)
jeeze man...
Apple just upgraded the iMac to 333MHz... and the cost is still around $1,100. thats a damn good price performance ratio expecialy considering it comes with one of the finest monitors I have seen (I was just running one at 1024X768 with a refresh rate of 95Hz... nice and crisp)
Currently dell sells a celeron at that price also 333MHz... most other stats are the same but the Celeron isnt as fast as the G3.
I mean sure, you can get a better price performance ratio... but not that much better... Its a worthy machine at its price point...
I dont know man... after spending thoes days on St Johns, Im looking for an employer that will let me telecommute....
I like the idea of writing my code while sitting on the beach with crystal blue ocean infront of me and frozen drinks with little unbrellas in them being brought to me by exotic waitresses in skimpy outfits.... I think it would help me focus
but ya know... thats just me
But you missed a bit of the point...
Kiss apple goodbye.... and kiss Linux goodbye.
Think about it... if people are only buying AOL machines or Wintell macines you can say goodbye to the internet as we know it. AOL will pull into its shell like before and Microsoft will Innovate the web right out from underneath us. There wont be much of an internet left for Mac users or independent linux users...
not so funny is it...
Still I dont see this happening... Im not to worried about AOL trying to take over the world... I think they might try this (would be a good move on their part) but I dont think it would be so sucessfull that it could fragment the online world.
The problem is that the decision is between a hard to use widget (one that you have to specialy configure to a given task and command perfectly to do that task) and a collection of appliances which allow you to "press a button" and wash the dishes, cook dinner, email all your friends, remind you of meetings, do your taxes.
:)
this is the difference... The _idea_ is to produce a bunch of extraordinarily simple apliances that do one thing realy well... the target market isnt people like you and me but rather people who dont currently own computers and, frankly, are afraid of them...
Im not sure if this will work the way everyone seems to want it to work (yea... like my microsoft toaster is gonna talk to my apple brand bred box to make me a bagel
Exactly.
The longer this goes on the more likely we are to have laws pased that are supposed to stop crackers and virus writers. And with these laws in place, when a new virus comes out or a system is comprimized the public will say "How could these evil people be breaking the law like this... why cant the government stop them?"
When the public has this outlook, it will be even easier to get more such laws passed (you want to stop these people right... well then give us more power).
Its a self propogating problem... and the longer it goes on the less likely anyone will be to question the quality of the software being comprimized. The blame will be placed on the criminal or on the law enforcement agents unable to catch the criminal... and microsoft can continue to produce software with integrated virus hooks.
We cant expect end users to wake up and start holding microsoft (or any other company) accountable overnight. Its up to people like us... programmers, who need to make software that is secure... and more improtantly, MIS people who must demand more from their software...
Its about time someone got fired for choosing microsoft when the solution simply didnt fit the problem... the whole "its from vendorX just like everything else we run... it must be the most suitable solution for us" mind set has to be abolished.
But whoes going to take the first step?
I agree... I am a terrible speller, does that mean that I have absolutely no chance of ever being a hacker...
hell, I could be the greatest programmer of all time, I could solve the halting problem durring my lunch hour and release an open source program to demonstrate the solution for all others to see and use, but if my documentation was poorly edited I guess I just couldnt be a hacker
I mean common, lets go a bit easier on the spelling impaired here!
a prize to the person who responds to this intelegently without correcting any spelling errors!
Im not sure if you noticed but sony is at the forfront of this whole firewire thing... they are sort of pushing REALY hard for it to be included in absolutely everything
there is no way that it wont be in this.
besides, it may be usefull for expansion and add ons and since they are on the origional firewire licence its probably not that expensive for them to put it in a consumer device like this
YEA but will it run linux?
:)
first off there may be a smaller percentage of mac users but a larger percentage of them are online (and thus customers) think of all the wintell machines that are sitting at business that are NEVER going to be customers for this product... think of all the wintel users that are not online...
sure, its not even, but its not as bad as you make it out to be...
as far as software support is concerned, they already support the iMac so they have to support all 8.* systems... well, make that a requirement that will cut out all the 68030's like the LC few people would complain. hell you could restrict more than that (pci powermacs would be a good example) and few people would complain. you certainly wouldnt have this PR nightmare on your hands.
As for hardware support... yea, like there arent too many kinds of hardware on the wintel side. humm maby they should say that they will only support brand name machines. that would save them lots of money but not reduce their target market by that much (since most consumers buy brand name)
please, consider these things before you post... there are plenty of companies offering highspeed access to the mac (mediaone for instance) and making the business model work. Bell Atlantic could do the same.
dud you are making some pretty hardcore assumptions here.
first off the reason thoes demos "scream" is that they take advantage of a new set of instructions. These instructions are designed for multimedia work and do infact accelerate certain tasks when software is written to take advantage of them.
Similarly in the G4 there is a new peice of technology (altivec) which does very similar things, also requireing software to take advantage of it.
The difference is that altivec is capable (theoreticaly anyway) of a FAR greater increase in processing power than KNI (the instructions in the PIII). I think you are being a little bit premature with your assumptions about the G4.
Also, by this time next year, we should be seeing "multi-core" G4's with efectively 2 or 4 chips on a single processor, allowing for some serious speed. meanwhile you can expect the pentium arhitecture to begin topping out in its ability to increase in speed... youll notice that the frequency at which intell releases faster chips has decreased over the past few years... you wont see another substancial revoluton from intel untill IA-64 becomes available.
in addition I would encourage you to look at these chips from a price performace perspective. despite a smaller overall market and therefore smaller volumes of chips the G3 is substancialy cheaper than the pentium II despite its exceptional performace.
(NOTE: This is a satire)
well duh!
Perhaps gram-bits refer to a tasty new gramcraker snack from those little elves at kebler
mmmmmmmmmm gram-licious
yea... where is rhapsody... I was wondering that myself...
all im hearing about is this MacOS X Server thats being released at the end of the month (officialy anounced by apple)
OH YEA! now I remember... their the SAME DAMN THING... Common people Rhapsody was a CODENAME and now the product is here...
yea I liked the way he backed up all his assertations with facts... Like this one (reposted from MacNN.com)
b sp SPECint95     SPECfp95
Responding to his Carmack's comment that "Spec95 is a set of valid benchmarks in my opinion, and I doubt the PC systems significantly (if at all) outperform the intel systems," one reader noted the actual numbers:
         &n
400-MHz PPC 750 (G3)    18.8    12.2
400-MHz P II*      15.8    12.4
450-MHz P II      17.2    12.9
*Comparable integer to a 375-MHz PPC 604e (15.9) or
a 333-MHz G3 (16)
Some one should do a port
Well from the sounds of it, boba fett will be in the second (and presumably third) prequell and will infact have a much larger role in the total arc than what we have already seen.
you do, however, make a very good point. For some reason Boba Fett really captured the imaginations of many star wars fans, many of whom (I belive) want to see the character expanded upon. Perhaps it was something in lucases portrayal (limited though it may be) of the character that has caused this response... if that is the case (and if lucas ment to do that) than maby film students should take a closer look at the character because Boba Fett is certainly one of the most revered characters in the trillogy...
thoughts anyone?