I guess you mean "I never said such thing". From your first post:
But, what good is the default install? Don't you want it to be doing something? It's suffered the same Apache/SSL/FTP/PHP errors as everyone else. I know if you search cert for openbsd you get lots of hits, so there are wholes in the applications.
Then you can't see the importance of the security in the default install in OpenBSD.
I said the comment was funny thats all.
I fail to see where do you state the comment is funny. I don't see anything funny at all.
So stop throwing windows into the mix. My comment was, and is, a basic install unix type OS box are almost always secure, and yes even redhat. But a basic box by itself is of no use, its the applications which by default have the applications, thus the exploits.
I'm talking about default setups, the same you seem to not understand its importance, again.
The "Windows" basic install replies are a joke, we are talking Unix here. So maybe "Secure by default" is an amusing thought.
See above.
A uber secure box sitting there doing nothing, is still, doing nothing.
You're not reading. OpenBSD's default install is a reasonable setup from which you can start patching and configuring. It is not supposed to be ready to serve. Do you get it now?
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FTP is not on by default, so it doesn't count.
Anyways, that kind of comments like the grandparent post come from time to time from people that can't see the importance of a secure by default OS installation.
How much does it take to hack into any Windows box just installed and connected to Internet? Make the numbers. How about a Red Hat Linux?
With the "Secure by default" and the "Only one remote exploit..." slogans OpenBSD is not claiming it is the most secure OS, but that you can be reasonably sure that it won't be hacked just after you have finished downloading the patches.
It has had so good results that some vendors, including Microsoft and Red Hat, have adopted it.
One shiny feature that might not be obvious the first time you see a BSD box is ease of administration. Which is a consequence of a clean and integrated system. OpenBSD specially has a proactive approach to security, which is an important "feature".
Maybe this doesn't seem like fancy features to a teenager geek, but they are so important if you want to take *nix administration seriously.
Goals make you take different decisions. They all write very good and consistent operating systems. All of them share code. OpenBSD takes drivers from Net and Free, and these have taken pf, OpenSSH and spamd; the list of shared code is huge (and that's the point of BSD).
But every BSD has different policies. OpenBSD is the more pedantic about licenses and code quality. For some people it could seem absurd, but time has proven OpenBSD is right.
It's my impression that OpenBSD is in the perfect balance between NetBSD (privileging portability) and FreeBSD (privileging efficiency and software availability).
You've got it. Unlike what is perceived from Linux (all software must be free), BSD is about making all software better. That's the benefit of the BSD license that many people (usually GPL fans) don't understand.
spamd is an OpenBSD development by Theo de Raadt (the project leader) and works in conjunction with pf which is by far, as said by ex-iptables users, easier to setup than iptables. So, the best way to get spamd is using OpenBSD;)
There are ports of pf and spamd for NetBSD and FreeBSD, but haven't heard of similar efforts for GNU/Linux. But spamd shouldn't be difficult to port and could be tweaked to work with iptables (spamd needs redirection of the smtp port only).
The source code is publicly available through CVSWeb:
The amateurs-only restriction is based on the myth that the competitors of the ancient olympics were amateurs. Nothing further from truth.
The torch is based on a myth too. It's not an ancient tradition. It is a modern invention (as I have already stated in a previous message)
The "olympic spirit" is based on the myth of friendly and pacific contests in the ancient games, which is a misinterpretation of the truces back then.
And the competitors were all about wining. That was the only important thing. There weren't prizes for the second and third places, only for the first.
All the myths around Olympics ("to win is not important", "amateurs only", "the torch", "the olympic spirit") was invented by Pierre de Coubertin who founded the modern Olympic Games
The simulation is real in some way. It's real for the agents of the system, and for the humans connected to it.
"what is real" asks Morpheus to Neo didn't you see it?, how come did you miss the answer. And when Neo gets out of the Constructor and finds himself injured, do you remember what it comes next? Take your time, watch the movies again.
Most of the comments I read against the Matrix trilogy are based on misconceptions and lack of understanding of them. That's probably why many of us that love the movies say: "you didn't get it".
Not everyone was so powerful. Everybody had his/her limitations, c'mon. There's nothing absurd on bending or breaking the Matrix rules. It is a human prerogative.
Of course there was suspense! The first one is all suspense! The second one is more action but still had many enigmas to solve for the third, which was so magnificent.
Or even better, come to Mexico. Nice weather, tequila, burritos. If the government doesn't do anything about the toxic wastes the USA drops in our territory or close to the border, who will care about the launches?
"Nearly every "serious" web server is SMP - at least in corporations, or am I wrong?"
You are wrong. You can have a serious web server without SMP. Serving pages is not a big deal. You need memory and fast disks, that's all. Unless you have Oracle + Java on it too, but that doesn't make the rest of the web servers less "serious".
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It's curious that you ask about Doom 4. The next logical step is Quake IV, for which there are already screenshots available
What? I never said no such thing.
I guess you mean "I never said such thing". From your first post:
But, what good is the default install? Don't you want it to be doing something? It's suffered the same Apache/SSL/FTP/PHP errors as everyone else. I know if you search cert for openbsd you get lots of hits, so there are wholes in the applications.
Then you can't see the importance of the security in the default install in OpenBSD.
I said the comment was funny thats all.
I fail to see where do you state the comment is funny. I don't see anything funny at all.
So stop throwing windows into the mix. My comment was, and is, a basic install unix type OS box are almost always secure, and yes even redhat. But a basic box by itself is of no use, its the applications which by default have the applications, thus the exploits.
I'm talking about default setups, the same you seem to not understand its importance, again.
The "Windows" basic install replies are a joke, we are talking Unix here. So maybe "Secure by default" is an amusing thought.
See above.
A uber secure box sitting there doing nothing, is still, doing nothing.
You're not reading. OpenBSD's default install is a reasonable setup from which you can start patching and configuring. It is not supposed to be ready to serve. Do you get it now?
And yet he doesn't answer when asked about his finds: http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2002/10/msg0006 3.html
The installation script now asks you if you want it enabled
FTP is not on by default, so it doesn't count.
Anyways, that kind of comments like the grandparent post come from time to time from people that can't see the importance of a secure by default OS installation.
How much does it take to hack into any Windows box just installed and connected to Internet? Make the numbers. How about a Red Hat Linux?
With the "Secure by default" and the "Only one remote exploit ..." slogans OpenBSD is not claiming it is the most secure OS, but that you can be reasonably sure that it won't be hacked just after you have finished downloading the patches.
It has had so good results that some vendors, including Microsoft and Red Hat, have adopted it.
Can we now push the dicussion level a bit higher?
One shiny feature that might not be obvious the first time you see a BSD box is ease of administration. Which is a consequence of a clean and integrated system. OpenBSD specially has a proactive approach to security, which is an important "feature".
Maybe this doesn't seem like fancy features to a teenager geek, but they are so important if you want to take *nix administration seriously.
That's the main difference: goals.
Goals make you take different decisions. They all write very good and consistent operating systems. All of them share code. OpenBSD takes drivers from Net and Free, and these have taken pf, OpenSSH and spamd; the list of shared code is huge (and that's the point of BSD).
But every BSD has different policies. OpenBSD is the more pedantic about licenses and code quality. For some people it could seem absurd, but time has proven OpenBSD is right.
It's my impression that OpenBSD is in the perfect balance between NetBSD (privileging portability) and FreeBSD (privileging efficiency and software availability).
But I'm biased :>
You've got it. Unlike what is perceived from Linux (all software must be free), BSD is about making all software better. That's the benefit of the BSD license that many people (usually GPL fans) don't understand.
spamd is an OpenBSD development by Theo de Raadt (the project leader) and works in conjunction with pf which is by far, as said by ex-iptables users, easier to setup than iptables. So, the best way to get spamd is using OpenBSD ;)
There are ports of pf and spamd for NetBSD and FreeBSD, but haven't heard of similar efforts for GNU/Linux. But spamd shouldn't be difficult to port and could be tweaked to work with iptables (spamd needs redirection of the smtp port only).
The source code is publicly available through CVSWeb:
spamd
spamlogd
spamd-setup
spamdb
AnonCVS, and more
More information about their use can be found in their respective manual pages.
That's how spamd works, and yes, it works tremendously well. I used to get 300 spam messages daily. I receive now one or two every week.
We can always setup a spam firewall with spamd on OpenBSD in greylisting mode
The advantage of this is that the spam is stopped before it reaches your mailbox and as a plus, annoyes the spammer in some interesting ways
That's more a words game than a mistake. The word Nova has a clear meaning in Spanish. It comes from Latin that means "new".
We are so smart that change Nova for "No va" (don't go)
From the article:
The annual National Geographic Survey had thrown up the sad fact that only 23 out of 56 young Americans knew the whereabouts of the Pacific Ocean.
The world according to America
The amateurs-only restriction is based on the myth that the competitors of the ancient olympics were amateurs. Nothing further from truth.
The torch is based on a myth too. It's not an ancient tradition. It is a modern invention (as I have already stated in a previous message)
The "olympic spirit" is based on the myth of friendly and pacific contests in the ancient games, which is a misinterpretation of the truces back then.
And the competitors were all about wining. That was the only important thing. There weren't prizes for the second and third places, only for the first.
Read the article (use babelfish if you don't read Spanish).
It was invented in Berlin 1936 by the followers of Hitler
You might want to know that the old olympic fire is not so old. It's 68 years old and was born as a nazi propaganda.
It has always been so since the begining
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All the myths around Olympics ("to win is not important", "amateurs only", "the torch", "the olympic spirit") was invented by Pierre de Coubertin who founded the modern Olympic Games
Sounds like BSD to me
It runs bochs
The simulation is real in some way. It's real for the agents of the system, and for the humans connected to it.
"what is real" asks Morpheus to Neo didn't you see it?, how come did you miss the answer. And when Neo gets out of the Constructor and finds himself injured, do you remember what it comes next? Take your time, watch the movies again.
Most of the comments I read against the Matrix trilogy are based on misconceptions and lack of understanding of them. That's probably why many of us that love the movies say: "you didn't get it".
Not everyone was so powerful. Everybody had his/her limitations, c'mon. There's nothing absurd on bending or breaking the Matrix rules. It is a human prerogative.
Of course there was suspense! The first one is all suspense! The second one is more action but still had many enigmas to solve for the third, which was so magnificent.
Or even better, come to Mexico. Nice weather, tequila, burritos. If the government doesn't do anything about the toxic wastes the USA drops in our territory or close to the border, who will care about the launches?
Bienvenidos!
I wonder how secure FreeBSD's and Linux's SMP implemention are
"Nearly every "serious" web server is SMP - at least in corporations, or am I wrong?"
You are wrong. You can have a serious web server without SMP. Serving pages is not a big deal. You need memory and fast disks, that's all. Unless you have Oracle + Java on it too, but that doesn't make the rest of the web servers less "serious".