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Ten-disc 'Matrix' DVD Box Set Planned
squishey writes "The Matrix trilogy is to be released as part of a special ten-disc DVD boxset in time for Christmas, according to the DVD Times.
Out on December 12 and with an RRP of 44.99." Includes a lot of stuff you probably already own, and a few things you might want... like a version of Reloaded with the Enter the Matrix footage included.
That's not $44.99, it's 44.99, which is what, ~$75-80?
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A box set hasnt been annouced for region 1 yet (US & Canada).
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As far as I'm concerned, there is only The Matrix. I refuse to acknowledge the existence of any followup films.
I will most likley buy this set, even though I already own the first two on DVD. That paper case the first one came in sux.
Does it have a good version?
Ten discs, at ~4.5gb a piece. I wonder how long it will take to rip a DivX of that. As a bad actor once said, "whoa".
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Isn't that, like, a little extreme? They could get nearly 40 hours worth of video on that. I wouldn't have thought that much footage would have been shot during the making of 3 films.
...the successors to the Matrix were not some of the most disappointing films I've ever seen, I'd run out and buy tomorrow.
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...contains IMO Seraph's coolest moment - "first I must apologise" to one of the Captains with a gun, then backwards somersaults and knocks the gun out of his hand. Then quite a good fight to "get to know him" like he does to Neo.
Nice! I'm going to wait for the Super Special Edition though, I hear it will contain a disc titled "Matrix Reloaded Revisited Revamped".
That price seems awfully cheap for a ten disc set though.
It is gonna be roughly $82.79 as of July 6th, 2004.
Will the boxed set include a version of 'Revolutions' worth watching?
... next year we'll have the super platinum deleted scenes 15 disk version, and the following year the titanium unloaded reloaded version with 20 disks...
I suppose waiting for the matrix will be alot like waiting for LoTR-- Gotta sit through all the regular, bronze, gold, platinum, titanium editions to get the best version... I just hate to buy and then rebuy later to get the additional content.
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A TEN disc Matrix box set. The geeks really HAVE inherited the earth.
Here comes a bunch of "Matrix sucks" comments. Hurry up, I'm anxious to read them!!
"Derp de derp."
This isn't a troll; I just have a warped, slashdot view of the world.
As far as all the geeks I know here say, the last movie SUCKED (or WAS TEH SUCK).
Are there enough remaining fan boys who loved the series the justify a purchase like this?
I know that for Lord of The Rings a 40 disc box set (including a full disk of Viggo Mortensen clearing his throat in the morning) would be snapped up in a jiffy by everyone here (*well, everyone but the Tolkein die hards).
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
Is there anyone out there who (a) thinks that Matrix 3 was anything except poor/disappointing (b) cares about this 73 disk set?
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Does it come in a wooden box?
I've never played this so may get this for that (footage interleaved as Extended Reloaded). Dispite its faults, the Matrices are slick and impressive action films, the first being a finely balanced roller-coaster (with amusing product tie-ins etc.) and the other two being poorly balanced but still exciting to watch (IMHO).
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I believe that this box set will also include the 30 minute long death footage of Trinity that was cut for 'consistency'
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In this version, Greedo "whoas" first. And some of the dialog has been 3d rendered.
I hope they include the Animatrix short, "Last Flight of the Osiris." It's the only track of the Animatrix disc which I think is worth anything, and was pretty well done. I think Squaresoft (Final Fantasy: Spirits Within) did the animation for this, and aside from the state-of-the-art-but-still-weak lip synch job, it matched the Matrix look pretty well.
It would be neat if the W Brothers beatify/canonize this track as official Matrix lore.
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I only acknowledge one Matrix movie. I know they did make 9 DVDs worth of advertising/money gouging however..
I'd bet dollars to donuts that next year, there'll be another special edition, a widescreen edition, a directors cut... how many times can you get the same people to buy the same movie with just a few tweaks? I don't know but George Lucas must have a pretty good idea by now, and the Wachowskis are his best students.
... are a great way to palm off shitty sequels for $$$. I hear the Robocop trilogy is available as a boxed set too.
As long as the box set contains the super-duper/director's/extended cut AND the original theatrical release, I'll be happy. I wish more studios/directors/etc. would do this.
I will only purchase this set if they completely re-shot the third movie. The first movie was great; the second was mediocre and focused too much on amazing special effect scenes and the third I found to be incredibly poorly done. I thought this trilogy would be amazing at first however, in my opinion, I was shown to be wrong. I just can't wait for the LOTR series on DVD. I would love to hear what other Slashdotters thought about the entire trilogy.
So...when's the fourth one coming out?
"Matrix Reloaded Extended Version (190 minutes)
New cut incorporating 55 minutes of footage shot for the 'Enter The Matrix' game"
But is it enough to make it a good film?
I like this product, it shows they really want to suck as much money from the fans as possible while the second and third film still have some residual hype going. Having the mass of extra material will set a level that many other production companies will try to match in the future, just for bulk. It's just a shame it isn't for a better set of films.
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- A version of Reloaded that doesn't suck
- A version of Revolutions that doesn't suck horribly
- An ending not designed to make one violently ill
- A box set that comes with two free movie tickets to any other movie, as a means of apologizing for the money wasted on Reloaded
- Rather then taking up all this space, a box set that only features stuff worth watching.
Oh wait, we already have that last one. Its called the first movie!
But I believe an extension to your house will be required to store the LOTR special edition discs.
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...but I feel the same way. Guess the original's mind-bending concepts were too much for the average movie-goer and they had to turn it into an action movie. Nothing wrong with action movies, but I had much higher expectations.
Blar.
Batteries not included.
(Until you buy it that is)
I knew something like this would happen, so I avoided buying the last Matrix on DVD. Finally, a wise choice on the DVD front.
Similarily I've not purchased Return of the King as I am sure something like this will be out in a year or so. I can wait...
I can't wait to watch "The Making of 'The Making of the Matrix'".
and a few things you might want...
Oh yeah? Like a version of movies 2 and 3 that don't suck?
Ok.
20 Hours of Matrix footage + 4 hours of sleep a day would work out to a pretty nice punishment for murderers.
Of course, the Trinity death scene would be removed due to 8th amendment considerations.
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I had the same reaction. I stopped caring about these films after seeing the second one in the theater. I've never seen the third one either.
What does "Basic ROM Features" mean on disk 10?
Are these discs DVD/CCA encrypted? Or is the Matrix still locked in the Matrix? I only have Linux and I'd like to buy this but I don't think it's legal for me to watch Neo fight The System because the The System won't let me.
I'm assuming since this is posted on Slashdot where we all use Linux that this is region 0, otherwise nobody would be interested... but please confirm?
Thanks.
The second and third instalment only served to destroy what could've been a great series (Episode 1 anyone?). Their production had absolutely nothing to do with making good movies but to solely capitalize on the franchise - as do so many other s(pr)equels.
If you already have the first movie on DVD, bully for you. If you don't, feel free to go purchase the first film - but don't feel obligated to contribute more money to crap which shouldn't have been made in the first place for the sake of filling an empty bit of shelf space! By doing so, you're only helping to validate this sort of thing!
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The geeks really HAVE inherited the earth.
No. The government make these to keep us in our rooms. After this comes the 15 DVD set of LOTR, then...
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This should be enough material for someone to re-edit the last two movies into something worth watching. Looking forward to the Matrix Remixed.
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I've always wondered why no one ever made a "phantom edit" of Matrix Reloaded with that extra footage...
Can't greedy Hollywood just bring the frickin thing out ONCE! :P I, like almost every other freakin slashdotter are probably going to go and buy it...CRAP! :P
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...that movie studios are filming scenes specifically to cash in on the DVD aftermarket? It used to be that I would go the movie theater to see a movie on "the big screen" to see the film "the way it was meant to be seen." Now, when I go to see a movie in the theater, I feel like I am being cheated because they simply aren't showing the "entire" movie. It's now become a given that DVD's will contain "extra" or "deleted" scenes. At sometimes over $9.00 for tickets, I feel cheated by this.
A colleague of mine said "Well, you're paying the extra money for the extra DVD content." Hmmmm. Shouldn't movies now be marketed as "Movie Theater Edition" or something?
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Reloaded was dreadful. I didn't see Revolutions, but I heard it it didn't help much.
Oh well, I really want to upgrade my original Matrix disc, so if a US equivalent comes out in time for Christmas, I may upgrade.
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That's already been said, and the sentiment has been expressed for ages.
The first one was amazing, the other two sucked (or was teh suck)
Just read these. And to think I actually went to see "Highlander 2" the first weekend it was out - the audience was laughing at the film. Gawd it's awful. It would probably make a good basis for a MST3K showing, though.
go Read Neuromancer by Gibson
It's much better value and probably will last you a lifetime copared to this inept excuse for a movie.
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The Matrix Reloaded: New Cut With 55 Minutes Of New Footage Inserted Back Into The Film
Does this mean that we'll finally be able to see the end of the "Cavern Dance" party??? I've been wondering how that turned out...
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Now this could be a reason for the change in the trilogy's direction in the sequels. We knew that the bros were kinda whacky but this is really strange. Considering the whole love theme in the sequels this really bring to light how far the these movies are from the first one.
I think I could watch a few hours worth of Liv Tyler as Arwen brushing her hair. Or doing long division. Or sleeping...
You forgot this one:
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It's a lot of discs, but it's not news, and for two reasons:
1. Only M1 was any good. M2 and especially M3 really bit it.
2. We thought it was futuristic, only to find out it was all inspired by some freaking dominatrix.
Oh yeah, there's a third reason: Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer think it's cool. Then it's definitely not news.
Move on. Go home. Dinner's ready.
Burley Man is a reference to Agent Smith and his cyphers. The fight with Neo and the 100 Smiths is called, "The Burley Brawl." Why? I have no idea, but that's what it's called.
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It's poking fun at the spoilage attempts when Matrix 2 came out. It's not a "troll" by any means.
Aren't the methods you're proposing illegal in the United States? I thought I read in the Jack Valenti interview by the MIT student (posted recently to Slashdot) that there were no legal DVD/CCA players for Linux.
Are you proposing that I break the law, or do you know something I don't? Someone moderated me "Flamebait" presumably because I'm ignorant of something, so I'd appreciate it if I could be let in on the secret instead of being moderated down.
I haven't watched any of the films, but I did find revolutions disapointing.
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I'm probably going to get modded down for expressing a dissenting opinion, but I feel that this communal Matrix sequel bashing is unwarranted.
Admit it - you loved the ghost twins and the car chase extravaganza. You watched with mouth agape as Neo held his own against waves of Agent Smiths. You feasted your eyes on the gunfight in the club at the beginning of Revolutions. You delighted in the apocalyptic, desparate battle between the defenders of Zion and the machines.
And finally, you still found the philosophy intriguing. Do humans have free will, or are we as predictable and predestined as the Oracle and the Architect believe? Had you ever really thought about how much we depend on machines before the councilman's conversation with Neo? What would the offspring of software be like, and what happens to beings without "purpose?"
So, suck it up. Sure, there are major problems with the sequels. Nevertheless, I am GLAD I paid money to see them, and so are you.
and I thought the movies dragged (and I did). Really, this seems over the top for anyone but the most diehard fans, of which I can't see many willing to shell out, or put up with, this type of packaging.
I mean really, as a trilogy do you think this deserves more attention than the orig Star Wars or Indiana Jones movies? Those were far more intreguing imo.
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What I want is my 20-DVD set for the Lord of the Rings trilogy!
Unfortunately, I doubt it'll be sold seperately, but the version of the Matrix in this box set is a brand-new transfer. Should be much cleaner. Also, the Wachowskis were never happy with the originaly DVD transfer, as it was too bright. The new transfer will be more accurate to the original theatrical release as well as more consistent with the color scheme of the sequels.
Personally, the dark green and blue of the two sequels gave me headaches, but hey, hopefully the first one won't look bad, and it'll be a much cleaner transfer and probably include a new audio mix.
...and people like me have to point out, yet again, that there have only ever been two versions, the normal releases and the extended releases of LOTR. And they've been upfront about that since the beginning.
It's not funny or clever anymore to make up really long names like "super special extended bronze edition." We've seen that joke a million times now.
Ignorance is bliss.
Actually, "The Burly Man" was the name the Reloaded+Revolutions production had while they were filming it. The reasons for this fact are beyond me, since the sequels had already been announced and everyone [who cared about it] knew where it was going on. And it's not as if you could keep a secret on a movie with 10 mins of credits anyway.
Want proof? It's mentioned in this article from Wired, appears on this crew-exclusive T-shirt and you can see it in a surprising amount of footage on all those behind-the-stages documentaries this boxset seems to be so prolific on.
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Granted, it could be said subjectively that the first Matrix movie was the best of the trilogy, but quite frankly, it makes me very annoyed that people would have the gall to badmouth the series the way they do. Is the Matrix Trilogy a cinematic classic that will be taught and lauded for decades to come? Short answer, no. But the way most of you geeks blab on and on about the piss-poor quality of the movies, you'd think that given the helm, and a word-processor that whatever "film," you produced would rise above the level of tripe.
Before I am flamed, I undertsand that everyone does have their own opinion, and is entitled to that opinion, but because a movies didn't follow the path you thought they would, doesn't make it utter shit. They (the Wachoski *siblings*) were able to make something very philosophical, even if it wasn't Pantheon worthy, while at the same tiem incorporating enough so that the mundanes would actually enjoy it. Add to that decent characterization, and a sustained theme throughout all three movies.
Personally, I found the second movie, sans dance sequence, to be the best of the bunch. Even though the computer graphics were a bit over the top, it did give much to think about. Did everyone forget the discussion with the Architect was in there? And that he essentially gave the whole philosophical underpinnings to the movies in the tirade? I could understand how many people would not understand the philosophy, but to you computer nerds, its rooted in math!!!
To those who say the ending sucked at the end of the third, I have no comment. Yes, it was something of a flaccid penis instead of the money shot, but look at it in relation the rest of it. Neo is the 1. Not the ONE, or One, but the 1. The Matrix is an equation, or rather supposed to be a balanced equation. The Architect spells out that because of a flaw, a 1 results in the equation, and manifests itself in the Matrix. Neo. I know everyone may already know this, but keep with me. When Neo talks with the Oracle, she says that Smith is his opposite, due to the Matrix trying to balance itself. Hmmm, Neo, is one...Smith is...? -1. Period. Therefore, neither of them can really *win* they can only beat themselves into battered pulps. Neo realizes this, and stops fighting. Yea, even dumbass Neo realizes it. Now, to all you advanced theoretical math types that prowl these forums, 1+(-1)=?
Ahh, the balancing of the Matrix.
Weak? Maybe. Deus ex Machina? Certainly not. They cement reasons that everything happened, even though it may not have happened as you would have fantasized. So I reiterate what I said again, this time as a challenge. To those mouthing off, make something, or even just conceptualize something that you think is better than the Matrix concept. Add to that, how you would execute it. Until then, just shut your mouths and read a book.
Yes, we were all disappointed by Revolutions and Reloaded because they weren't clones of the first movie. HOWEVER, if they had been seperate movies unrelated to the first with modified storylines 99% of us would ooh and ahh over them as great sci fi. Heck, if reloaded and revolutions were combined into one movie as they were originally intended, most people really wouldn't mind all that much because together they would compare to the original. I'm sorry your minds weren't blown and that some fan stories had better plots (the twins should have been virii) but what's done is done. Try and look at it as you would the Illiad or the Odyssey.
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Agreed. Here is a tip - don't stand in line for these things at the theater. I saw the first one and frickin loved it. Saw the second one, and left kind of scratching my head. I had to hope that the third one would tie it all up. But I waited, and didn't go see it in the theater. I read all the bad reviews. Then I rented it - and thought it was better than the 2nd one. It wasn't THAT bad. Not great, but better than a lot of the reviews I read.
Everyone talks about the "movie theater experience", but I just don't get it. Other than bigger and louder, the theater experience just is not as good to me. No, I am not one of those people with the 5.1 surround and a 60" TV. I have basic surround and a 27" TV, and I still enjoy movies more at home than at the theater. Cheaper food, more comfortable, I can go pee without missing any of the movie, etc. I don't need to share the experience with a hundred other people.
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I mean, come on...one disk for each movie (don't give me extended versions unless you actually filmed extra footage to include later on special DVDs ala "Lord of the Rings"...seeing footage that was cut because it SHOULD have been cut is not my cup-of-tea. See the extended version of "Dune" and "Superman: The Movie" for stuff that should have stayed out...."Otis, feed the babies"...nuff said....
Ok, we have 3 disks there with plenty of room for commentary tracks. Then we can have an extra disk for the Animatrix shorts AND all the "Making Of" docs you want. There...saved ya 6 other disks. Something tells me that they're not filling up to full capacity the DVD's.
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This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.
You keep the normal DVD -- the story ends, you wake up in your bed with your wallet intact and believe whatever normal plotline you want to believe.
You buy the Kajunga-Extended-DVD -- you stay in "I just gotta see every cut scene ever" -Land and I show you how deep the money-hole goes.
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...why oh why didn't I keep my 44.99 pounds sterling?
Well, that makes the decision pretty easy. I'll take the fucking blue pill, thank you very much.
>> "What would the robut do? Frame someone!"
Christ, more like The Matrix: Imploded.
*boo, hiss*
For that matter, don't take the blue pill either.
"self-aggrandizing ego balm wherein the W. bros try and reassure themselves about how cool and talented they are"
I don't know that blaming the warchaaavuhsuiveg brothers is totally the way to go here.
I recall hearing an interview right after the first matrix came out, and the interviewer asked "So - matrix 2?"
and the W's were like "Oh man. We're so burned out on the matrix. No way."
And then the matrix made $zillion.
So, natch, Hollywood came to the warchaggerswg's and offered them $293768265827635872635 for some sequels and they were like "umm.... ok!"
The first matrix was created, and it was rad. The second two were bought, and they were corporate trash.
The Wahsgfdgfsjhgf's are in the business of making movies, so when someone offered them a bunch of money for sequels of course they said 'yeah sure!'
If you want to blame someone for the suck of the later matricies blame the hollywood machine.
"This movie was excellent. We must reduce it to formula and trample it to death."
"This movie was excellent. We must hire the creative talent behind it and let them express themselves freely."
The prevelence of one of these statements over the other is the fault of Corp. Hollywood, and the cause of so many matrix-like catastrophies.
Catastrophies which, sadly, continue to make money.
Can't we all just admit that the whole Matrix trilogy, really, kinda sucked. OK, granted, the first one was tolerable, with a pseudo-indy feel and cool visuals that helped mend our movie-seeing hearts, collectively broken and sh@t upon by Jar Jar.
If you can't admit that the second and third films were horrible, nay, unwatchable, then you should really examine your life. If it's Keannu that you really like staring at, go rent that Gus Van Sant movie...
Not only don't we know what the price will be, we get jipped on one DVD.
9 DVD box set, that's laughable.
Not only do we lose half the special features on the good movies, we lose 'em on the bad ones aswell.
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No DTS, no sale.
I'll only re-buy these if each dvd of the movies gets a DTS track and commentary.
I could care less about the other extras.
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As the new head of warner games, he has stated that Warner should penalise developers of games based on Warner movies that score below an average of 70% in web reviews. Oddly enough the Matrix game from Atari scored 69% on the site mentioned. His previous role as boss of Monolith (which made another Matrix game) is purely co-incidental.
I had no idea he did a bit on that. The only reason I know is from living in Ireland and hopping back and forth to London for a semester.
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And still zero commentary from the "masters" behind the opus. I might pass on this because the only motivation behind getting this set would be to hear the wackowski's reasoning for some of the horrible things they did in revolutions.
"Well we can end the trilogy with zion being destroyed, including trinity and morpheus. We could do a beautiful scene with neo leading the generation of zionians to their new home. An enthic child can come up to him and ask him blah blah blah. " - LArry
"Nah lets just have neo and trinity die and then end with a sunset" - The other one
"You know the people who bought int othe whole backstory that we pooped out with the animatrix are going to hate that." -lArry
"Pffft. So!" - The 0ther One
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HOWEVER, if they had
If is a pretty big word, isn't it?
And why shouldn't we trashtalk it? What's getting pretty old is the fanboys trying to defend what was utter tripe. Perhaps it's time we did a serious reality check and face the fact that as long as fanboys support bad art of any type it will not come to an end. The die-hard fans who couldn't accept the fact that the first film was good but the series lost ground in the long run are the ones that are wrong, not the honest movie fan who finally came out and admitted that the 2nd and 3rd film are trash.
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You're telling me? Why is it that you think people should except instead of taking a critical view? Maybe the Matrix should be a taboo subject to anyone who doesn't worship the films?
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The 1st movie was good, but we all knew that Keanu is not good for much more than walking around in a daze. The 2nd and 3rd movies tapered off into crap because the actors couldn't do any better. In one sense it was nice; don't have to worry about the series being ressurected Star Wars style...
For $44.99 did they make the second two movies not suck? I think they should sell only the first movie in the box set. It would be less disappointing.
"The Matrix Trilogy Re-Marketed?"
Seems more like a ploy to recoup costs on the third movie. Anybody else notice when the third movie came out on DVD they weren't pushing the movie for movie sake, but trying to capitalize on the "own the trilogy" angle?
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I saw Revolutions on IMAX, and all I remember about it was that Smith didn't have a very good makeup job. Once it got on the IMAX screen, his "facial blemishes" were the size of my fists.
I think IMAX was somewhat overwhelming for that kind of stuff anyway. I could focus more on some kind of logical storyline (assuming there was one) if I was watching it on video.
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Here in the land of the vanishing currency symbol, the first film was cut in 2 places by our film censors (they demanded about 1 second of head-butting be cut from 2 fight scenes).
For the DVD, we lost the 'music only, no dialogue' bonus soundtrack that was present on the other region 2 DVDs entirely, because they couldn''t be bothered syncing up that version of the audio or finding 1 one-second bits to splice into the fights.
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I believe the only Matrixes worth watching are:
- the original one
- Animatrix
Actually I've bought both of 'em (see MPAA, I'm no freeloader) and thoroughly enjoyed them. Animatrix's theme is the personal interpretation of the Matrix theme by some really kick ass artists. So much in there, cool music, very different "handwriting".
The Matrix is just itself; so cool & evocative you're willing to give up the inconsistencies just for the sake of believeing in it.
All the rest... a run for the buck...
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In fact, the overwhelming negative response to the second movie was entirely predictable well before it was even made. Expectations are a HUGE part of people's ejoyment of entertainment, so it was utterly impossible that the sequal to The Matrix could be widely enjoyed. After the nearly religeous zeal (need I say "cult") surrounding the first movie, everyone's expectations were unacheivably high. But after that dissapointment had been experienced, expectations for the third movie were more reasonable... and lo and behold, many more people liked it (many still hated it, but I think that was still residual expectations from the first one).
Anyway, despite a few painful scenes, and after I convinced myself not to dwell on comparisons with the original, I really enjoyed both Reloaded and Revolutions. Besides being entertaining, they had some interesting stuff to think about... and I like thinking about things.
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.... then they should release the DVD version first, and later the cut, theatrical version.
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... a version of the 2nd and 3rd movies that don't suck ass?
I'm sure mine is the 152nd post to say the same thing....
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9 of them shite.
Strictly for idiots, fanboys, and a landfill in Nevada.
So don't go to the theater then. So much of the current movies are crap, they are not worth $9/ea
:-)
to see in the theater. $3 for 50 cents worth of a small soda, $3 for a small bag of mediocre quality pop corn, its a real rip off. Wait for the DVD to show up at the video rental place, wait for the $1.99/movie rental specials, then see it.
I do this, I get the benefit of all the reviews and people's comments to weed out the really bad movies, and I get to eat high quality fresh pop corn.
I dunno, it does seem like a lot of people here derive a certain - how you say in your country - cathartic release in trashtalking the 2nd & 3rd parts. I chalk it up to the 1st part having set the bar so high, having presented so many interesting concepts and ideas in such a compelling fashion, that there was no way audience expectations were going to be satisfied by the followups. Strip away all the high concept baggage and eye-candy CGI, and what you're left with is an entertaining and engaging sci-fi roller-coaster ride marred by a little too much exposition where it is not needed, and too little exposition where it is very much needed. Taken in as a continuous storyline, I enjoyed it more and got more out of it in a marathon home DVD viewing session - skipping over the unnecessary shoe leather and replaying the scenes that truly advance the plot - than I did watching the three separate parts temporally fragmented in a movie theater.
I can think of many phylosophical movies, that treat those aspects with intelligence and tact.
The Matrix underline some interesting thoughts, but is all superficial and at times presented in a terribly boring manner.
It is a sad sign of our times that people are defending thes movies for their philosohy, most probably because any approach to philosophy of most pepople is almost nil.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
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.... because it will be more ignominous to cull your argguments with a big cluestick :-P
-WHy should we love the twin ghosts? they add nothing to the movie.
-Car extravaganza? Boooring. The human race fate is at stake, the very concept of human freewill may be into question, and what do the history tellers concentrate o? A fsckin car chase. Yeah, great and original (ahem... Speed... ahem).
-Battles? I saw that on Starship troopers, much better and realistic. The Matrix whatevere it wa calle looked cheap an unimaginative.
-Philosophy? Get the real thing, don't accept cheap substitutes....
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You can make pretty much any DVD player play any region disks.
I regularly play region 1 DVDs in my supposedely Region 2 only DVD...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Just thought I'd bring you up to date: it's now just "the Wachowskis." See this article.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
It is too bad that only one of those ten is worth owning.
Worst sequal(s) ever!
You know, I actually liked the first movie before the fanboys ran it into the ground. Now I seem to have developed a nervous twitch that sends my face into spasms every time I see a bullet-time sequence...
(there goes my Karma)
Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
lol, someone has no idea how the american government works. Bush can barely do anything on his own. He didn't go to war on his own, and if congress wanted to, they could cease all military action. The executive branch (read: president) has very limited authority to act on his own.
but contained some droppable scenes. That 2 & 3 didn't "surprise" most the way the first did isn't surprising. Overall, I found them thoroughly enjoyable, and I own all three.
Now, this 10 disc set, the remastered "The Matrix" and the extra 55 min on "Reloaded" intrigue me. I'd still drop a few scenes on #2 though.
LOTR trilogy is still the king of trilogies though, and perhaps as an epic story as well.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Hopefully the much talked about, but never released, plot will be included on one of those discs...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
I've received word that this is just one of the scenes to be included in the extended version of reloaded that we have to look forward to:
Neo: woah
Trinity: what? stop saying that
*the door is blown apart and Elrond walks in*
Agent Smith: you wont escape this time Morpheus.
Neo: woah
Morpheus: bring it, bitch
*Another 30 minute rave scene ensues where morpheus and smith have a dance off. In the end smith wins and stabs morpheus with his glow stick*
Neo: woah
Smith: Now neo, how would you like to die?
Neo: I choose balloons for 400
Smith: that's not a choice
Neo: My mistake, I shall take balloons for 600
I grew up in the 60's.
I'd have taken both pills.
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
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Good to see at least one person agrees with my view of it.
As far as I'm concerned it would have been more suspenseful if the guy you wanted to win was the underdog, but when they're both pretty much gods, they can beat the snot out of each other until hell freezes over with no result.
Woo, that's suspenseful.
Presently here, but not there.
The story you Geeks rave about being a classic is nothing compared to what children over here in India read in some of the magazines for children ( or atleast used to read ).
And these stories are nothing compared to the other story that you have a low opinion of. Even if a little loong with 6 hrs of screen time, sparking the view that what you think/see/feel might not be real is definitely cool compared to the fantasy crap
(Karma be damned; I am no better than an AC anyway)
Learn to contract, you Twinkie-packing, rump-wrangler.
You are = you're
You possessive = your
Example: Your lack of grammar skills shows how poorly you studied in school; it is no wonder you're a freaking idiot.
Yes, but when you see Reloaded at the Imax theatre you can check out Monica Bellucci's 60 foot wide breasts!!!!
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and don't make you feel like you were ripped off after you see what's on them.
Ok, now can you tell me where the term quid comes from?
If I have to watch Reloaded again, I might just upchuck 44.99 lbs
I actually expected the outcome that happened, and here is why:
Maybe that's my fault. I didn't enter the movie theatre HIGH.
"You don't have any friends, nobody likes you!"
Gollum
The first film succeeds because it is an action movie, and so there is a willing suspension of disbelief on the part of the audience. But the sequels try to be serious science fiction, and to accomplish that the Wachowski Brothers had to answer the question everyone was asking when they left the theater: Why do the machines need a Matrix in the first place?
Generating electricity from living human beings would be pretty damned inefficient. Ignoring fossil fuels, biomass, nuclear energy, geothermal and hydroelectric, dead humans burn pretty well once you get them started.
Even assuming all those energy sources had been exhausted (except the last) you still wouldn't need a Matrix because you could grow micro-encephalic humans, or lobotomize them. Or worse, just treat them as we do lab animals.
So I don't care what rationalization the WBs pulled out of their butts for the Matrix's existence, and more car chases and more Agent Smith's don't make up for that fact.
To those mouthing off, make something, or even just conceptualize something that you think is better than the Matrix concept. Add to that, how you would execute it. Until then, just shut your mouths and read a book.
Well maybe if the WBs had subjected their screenplays to some healthy criticism we'd all be buying the boxed set.
"Spiderman 2 was the only movie where I had difficulty telling.."
What? Spiderman 2 had CG about the same quality as the much-overhyped-piece-of-shit 'burly brawl' from Matrix 6 or whatever.
All the CG in spiderman looked a bit too 'cartoony' for me. Cartoony is fine, if you're Shrek. Mixing it with live-action means spending a bit more time on lighting and textures.
Plus, all the CG motion-capture was overacted. You can always tell when it switches to CG-spidey cos the actions become very pronounced, like some kind of second-rate pantomime.
>what they are: weak, derivative, poorly-plotted
>eye-candy with a dash of pretension?
To say I loved the first film in particular would probably be the greatest understatement I've ever made, but of course it's pretentious. I saw that it was pretentious...I think everyone knows that it was pretentious...that was part of the whole point. Some of us actually revel in our shameless wannabeism. *big grin*
Seriously though...I agree with you wholeheartedly about Revolutions, and to a lesser extent about Reloaded. Reloaded had it's moments, but...I've always said that where the series really went wrong was the Animatrix. The reason why I say that is because (a) I actually thought the Second Rennaisance in particular was rather lame, and (b) that and Kid's Story (which I also didn't really like very much) was what they based the second two movies almost in totality on. Reloaded in particular really had very little storyline for anyone paying attention...it was fairly simply a mindless action movie. From that point of view I enjoyed it...After I got over the initial disappointment that lightning wasn't going to strike twice, and that the Wachowskis had pulled a shameless George Lucas impersonation on us.
That to me was the real problem...that the Wachowskis (or whoever was primarily responsible for the writing in the second two films...I assume it was them) very obviously got caught up in a desire to plagiarise Star Wars. Because of that, in Revolutions we had the infuriating Kid filling in for Jar Jar Binks, as probably the most glaring example.
AFAIK, a trilogy was always planned, unlike what I've heard people saying that the second two were an afterthought. The original Matrix wasn't really what I'd call totally mainstream, or it at least didn't seem like it was intended to be. It however caught on with enough people that it was obviously decided that the two sequels had to be crowd pleasers, and for that reason I'm inclined to believe that material that was originally planned for the two sequels (which actually could have been GOOD) was scrapped in favour of making something lame, but which would appeal to the unwashed masses and therefore generate large amounts of money.
That, in a nutshell, is what happened. The writers got dollar signs in their eyes, and sold out.
Peeing actually saved me from having to watch Neo and Trinity have sex in the second film... I needed to go, the orgy/dance party seemed to be going on for ever... and guess what? it did! I was able to leave the cinema, go to the toilet, and come back without missing anything.
I chalk it up to the 1st part having set the bar so high, having presented so many interesting concepts and ideas in such a compelling fashion, that there was no way audience expectations were going to be satisfied by the followups.
Sorry to bust your bubble bub. Truth be told I felt luke warm after the first episode. I wasn't screaming for more but it had enough of my interest to see what happens next. Besides, the 'concept and ideas' really weren't that new to me. It surprises me the number of people who hadn't considered this in some fashion at some point. Especially with other 'sci fi' (ha ha) films such as Total Retard, I mean, Total Recall. As for the philisophy? I read books, I don't need these ideas dressed up in CGI for me to take interest.
Strip away all the high concept baggage
High concept? I scoff...
skipping over the unnecessary shoe leather and replaying the scenes that truly advance the plot
Ah so it comes to this; You like the film but you're bored to tears watching it the way it was presented? I'm not here to debate what may have been. I'm thinking of what is. Was Matrix an OK concept? While it wasn't real sci-fi by my standards they could have done worse, and they did in parts II and III.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't like it. I'm just sick of fanboys telling me that if I didn't love the Matrix then I was a lowlife that couldn't grasp Eastern Mysticism 101. The films are what they were. I didn't need the as a vehicle to inner-awareness.
Sorry, Even aside from the claims to enlightment that the film held for most it just didn't keep my attention.
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Notice that all the tag lines that people quote and use for parody are from the first movie?
... I am the cure." ...." ..." "It's called LSD. It's the only way to fly."
"No one can tell you what the XXX is. You have to see it for yourself."
"There is no XXX".
"No lieutenant, your XXX are already dead."
"Whoa." (okay, of course that is from earlier Keanu Reeves movies, but it's only funny in the first Matrix movie).
"Humanity is a virus
"Misssteeer Annnndeerrrrsonnn
"Ever have the feeling
"Guns. Lots of guns."
The red pill / blue pill speech.
"How did they know what chicken tastes like?"
And on and on.
I don't ever see anybody quoting lines from the second or third movies. "Choice is an illusion between those with power and those with not." -- too pretentious. Smith almost had something going with his "purpose" speech, but then the scene morphed into that crappy video game clip. One good line is "You never really know someone until you fight with them". Another line I like is: "Would that include a bullet from this gun.", but by then the crappy dialogue had gone on so long that the momentum was lost.
My favorite line: when Trinity says: "Neo, I had to" (after he catches her). That line actually ties into the "free will" theme in a thought-provoking way.
As for Matrix Revolutions, urgh. One promising but forgettable speech about love in the subway. And the whole hyper-brawl was a setup for Neo to deliver a stunning epiphany to sum up the whole trilogy, and he says something really lame. He might as well have stuck with "woah".
A three movie TEN disc set comes out and costs 44 bucks. Northern Exposure comes out on 2 discs for SIX, yes SIX episodes and costs 45 bucks.
I like the ext version of Dune. Its especially good for people who are not familiar with the book. Sure, the narration could be better but I believe it keeps the story flowing instead of people looking around and saying "wtf" every ten minutes.
The added footage (30+ minutes if I remember correctly) fits in pretty well; its not sub-par in any way. It wasn't cut out because of quality, but because it makes the movie 2+ hours long.
Dune will always be a love it or hate it movie, but I'm sure more people would like it (or understand it) if they got to see the longer version with all the narration at the theater.
Speaking as an outsider, I think you Americans were better off when you could still trade your dollars in for a guaranteed tangiable amount of specified object, i.e. before bullion for private investment was outlawed in 1933 and then later when Nixon switched away from a gold standard altogether in 1971 (?). Maybe I'm just a romantic though, even I admit that runs on the bank when credit creation goes overboard are no holiday.
I got my copies of The Matrix and The Animatrix used at Blockbuster; two for twenty dollars. Why would I want the other two films, both of which were abyssmal?
It sounds like their trying to dump the excess inventory of disks that they couldn't sell after those crappy sequals came out?
But not that good. The first movie was a classic, IMHO the other two were average.
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And then in a fantastic display of superiour Artificial Intelligence, and good sportsmanship, the machines decided to give the humans a chance by staying tightly bunched together allowing them to be easily shot.
Not only that but their superiour tactics dictated that instead of actually attacking every threat in the room they should just fly round in circles looking cool.
I heard one director say that audiences like to see the same movie again when they watch sequels. I didn't believe it. But now reading the comments related to the Matrix; People are saying they hated the movie because it was not like the first movie. I for one am glad that the movie is very different from the first movie. I would say that a good scifi sequel should develop the mythology of a world. A good example is the movie Aliens, which developed the mythology of the world from Alien.
Another good example is the second Matrix movie which really developed the mythology of the Matrix world and thats what kept me glued to my seat whilst I was watching the movie. The third matrix movie didn't do it for me, it really just was there to bring people into the box office, but did not really contribute to the story other than providing an ending. I would hate to have seen what borefest would have been made if the sequels of the Matrix were like the first. Diversity is the spice of life.
I think what most geeks complain about in the second movie is that the movie did not go as they imagined it. The first movie was abiguous, which meant that people could imagine the mythology of the world. The second movie is more explicit which is completely different to what people imagine and thus these people get offended when the second movie does not go the way they imagined it.
I say stop being CMGs (Closed Minded Geeks) and experience something differnt to you narrow bounds and go along for the ride. The Matrix trilogy WILL be a classic movie series remembered for decades.
Yet another ironic recursive statement.
...without the lame-assed ending? That might get a few $$ from me.
However, most parts of the animatrix were astoundingly good.
Considering Spider-Man is a comic book, or a cartoon; I thought the CG was great. Just how can you make a skinny nerd leaping all over the city like Spidey does look realistic anyway?
After watching The Matrix Reloaded I came to the conclusion that the "real world" outside the Matrix was itself a Matrix, because Neo was able to knock out the squids there. No human being can generate electromagnetic pulses. (Although Ben Stiller can stop Chinese throwing stars with the Magnum look.)
In which case, it doesn't matter what Morpheus, a human (or meta-agent), or the (sub) Architect believe. They're just constructs in a potentially endless recursion of Matrices.
My nipples are hard just thinking about this!!
I, for one, plan to cram all 10 disks up my anus while jerking off to my Keanu Reeves poster!!
Does this include an actual ending to the trilogy, since the last one made me want my money back, even though I won the ticket on the radio
The problem is that people think that films are (or should be) either perfect, or utter garbage. They're not very good at finding the middle ground. OK, there are many films that do hit those extremes, but there are films which "could have been a lot better, but are still good films".
The Matrix sequels didn't live up to the promise that a lot of fans saw in the first movie. People seem to blinded by what they wanted to see to give what was given a chance.
Newsflash. This happens a lot in stories. Sometimes you give up following them, sometimes you persist anyway to see what happens.
Yes, there are many series (books and TV) that I gave up on. Do I think they're utter failures? No. They're not what I wanted, but that doesn't make them bad.
I saw Reloaded at least twice in the cinema. I also bought the DVD. (Though, I admit, pre-ordered on Amazon to save cash - but I think all UK DVD-releases are priced 5-10 quid too high. So that's not a Matrix-only issue.)
I saw Revolutions twice in the Cinema. Haven't bought the DVD yet, but that's the above-mentioned price issue.
I enjoyed them both. Yes, there are things I'd rather unfolded differently. Yes, there are some serious flaws in both films. But do I think that the films are totally unenjoyable? No.
If anything the main problem was that there was so lone between Matrix and Reloaded. 3-4 years worth of expectations was too long, especially for a film like the first Matrix.
People also missed a major part of what made the first movie so special. It was all exposition. We were following Neo in his evolution from system-cog (albeit an unwilling one) to ultra-powerful rebel. But once that genie was out, there was no going back. There's no way that a sequel could have the same kind of feeling, as too much had changed in the first.
The sequels followed one totally viable plot-direction. Nothing was contradicted except for things which were mere assumptions on the part of the rebels. (And even then, I went back and noticed that although it changes the facts behind some of Morpheus' explanations, the words he says still hold. Only he was following an interpretation that turned out to be false)
OK, so the direction it took wasn't the one that many fans wanted to see explored. Too much disappointment. Too many people just weren't interested, but this manifested as hatred and suddenly everyone started saying that the movies sucked.
I've paid to see them. I'm glad I did. Although I have the first 2 on DVD, I don't have the Revisited or Animatrix yet, so might even buy the box-set when it comes out and get the lot.
(10 discs for under 50 quid? Even if I only watch every disc once, it'd be worth it to me.)
Do I wish that the sequels had turned out differently?
TiggsHonestly, I don't know. Despite the flaws, the movies were ones that I did enjoy. That's a fact. Whether I'd enjoy ones made differently is speculation. So I'll take what's out there. 2003 would have been a lot less fun for me without those two films.
Tiggs
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I believe that, executed properly, the plot of the matrix trilogy would produce an experience far superior to that of LOTR. I enjoyed the LOTR movies, but none of them matched the feeling I got at the end of the first Matrix.
In short, they were nothing new. But they were nice.
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I wonder what the Dot Product of the Matrices would be?
Could a Beowulf cluster figure it out?
Well, I'm going back to the grits ranch and say hello to the owner, Natalie Portman. I hear she's a bit sore. Kinda stiff. Almost . . . Petrified.
Meanwhile in the news, Soviet Russia does things to people.
> That's like disregarding every Star Trek episode
> ever made as soon as they traveled back in time.
That doesn't make sense. Please expound.
A better comparison would be Dallas, where a whole season was a dream. After it was revealed as a dream should anything that occurred in that season matter to a fan? I don't think so.
* * * 13th Floor spoiler below * * *
Or imagine you're a person who learns they exist within a simulation, which in turn exists inside another simulation, ala 13th Floor. Would you still show up early for work every morning?
No, I'm afraid you're grossly missinformed, the reason Mr. Bush "cannot do anything on his own" is because he is grossly under qualified for his present gig.