Where I used to work we had a cheque underwriter. Basically, when we got a cheque we would need to call up and feed all the details off it into the phone-service, they would give us an auth number to write on it. If the cheque bounces or is otherwise bad, we still got our money and THEY would undertake the hunting of the person.
Downsides: 3% processing fee Takes about 10 mins Customers who pay regularly by cheque are usually arseholes and will complain bitterly about the above two downsides, while holding up other people.
Right, but if you were in school, and given the task of writing a program that accepts, stores and evaluates passwords, grabbing such a piece of code would be considered a 'bad thing'.
Saying in your comments that you found a 'method for neatly measuring password strength and reimplemented it' would, however, demonstrate that not only can you find code that you would need but CAN code and implement the solution.
First option is out. Not only do the USB ports get disabled on such machines, but you can't take a USB stick anywhere near them, any more than you could a phone.
Second option suffers the same "can't get a phone within 10 meters of the machine" that the parent mentioned.
Third, if you can pay a person with security clearance to do this then it isn't a computer problem.
Fourth, people who do this work are not as rigorously checked as their workers/software people, but you will note that all the secure places I know of run custom bios firmware that have checksums to stop this.
Yes, I know people who work at these places, both with clearance (operators and such) and techies that support them, getting to their secure networks/air-gapped networks is not trivial and certainly cannot be done with a USB stick anywhere on your person.
But yes, I came in to see if anyone had picked up on this. Having governments restrict the duration they hold potentially personal data for is a good thing.
And yet this exact 'verification' was a way to steal control of accounts a while back.
Basically, apple asked for the first four digits of your CC for secure verification, Amazon asked for the last four. Each were happy to give the four digits at the opposite end of your account and, worse, Amazon would let you add a new CC to your account, verify yourself with that credit card, then provide the other four digits of your other card. This was used, successfully, to attack a person's Icloud account. I am not sure about now, but I really hope both companies have changed their policies, particularly in regards to phone support and scripted replied to requests for control of accounts.
Well, the thing is, the reporter is more than happy to pay the same fee as other companies (or the government) would pay to access it. The real kicker is, a similar request was made for a major public official and it was denied because it was 'personal information' which, if that is the case, then they MUST make this data available to the owner of it.
The trick is, of course, for them to have to make requests of every other telco in the country to check if numbers on the list are private. Although the thought that they give such data out to non-government businesses is a little disturbing.
Yeah, in Australia we have a new centralised medical records system that patients absolutely CAN access. Heck, all my doctors have my folder open as they chat with me most times. I have even asked to see things and have never been refused.
Hint, nvidia drivers are a good one to use. They use akami I believe, and you should be able to max out damn near any connection with a few files coming from there.
And you think the utilities will suffer because of this? Here in Australia power companies have just started bringing in (opt-in for now) billing at different rates for different times of the day for all a house's power. They will simply make day-time power prices stay the same and increase prices for night-time usage, passing the loss on to customers as they always have.
Quite naive to think a company would accept the losses themselves.
So, in regards to the other stuff, Brain and Brawn series? Planet Pirates? Doona?
I thought we were talking sci-fi, I was referring to the sci-fi books in the Pern series, not the fantasy. If you want to discuss fantasy then I have Elizabeth Moon, Kate Forsyth and Katherine Kerr as my preferred authors.
For me? Because when the rest of my diet is reduced to basic carbs, a dietary supplement (hospital grade sustagen) and liquids, then sometimes a diet soft drink is preferred.
Can't speak for the rest of people out there, my opinions are my own.
And if you are wondering why the dietary lockdown, crohns + T2 Diabetes. Basically anything with fiber, acid or undigestible matter (seeds, etc) is off the menu.
Heh, I was raised on Anne McCaffrey. I had dreams of integrating brains with computers, meeting alien species in a non-hostile manner, flying around on bio-engineered dragons and, above all, things generally working out okay for the majority of people.
Well, the single thing limiting how big a skyscraper we can build right now has nothing to do with structural limits and materials.
Elevator traffic. At some point you reach an elevator event horizon where adding a new floor on top means losing one or more floors at the bottom due to needing more elevators to move people to those new floors.
Only reason my 15 year old m0n0wall setup was replaced recently was how hard it became to find modern DSL PPPoE modems in retail outlets and the hard drive just stopped spinning. Still, 15 years out of one router (was a VIA integrated CPU + MB with a few gig of ram) is fairly good.
One downside I noticed recently is the silly change that makes the WAN (in my case DSL) password blank out once entered. I really don't see a point in that.
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Where I used to work we had a cheque underwriter. Basically, when we got a cheque we would need to call up and feed all the details off it into the phone-service, they would give us an auth number to write on it. If the cheque bounces or is otherwise bad, we still got our money and THEY would undertake the hunting of the person.
Downsides:
3% processing fee
Takes about 10 mins
Customers who pay regularly by cheque are usually arseholes and will complain bitterly about the above two downsides, while holding up other people.
And you try and tell the young people today that and they wont believe you!
More than likely the owners of this place saw it and thought it was a great idea.
Well, you learn how to overtone sing and we can find out :D
Right, but if you were in school, and given the task of writing a program that accepts, stores and evaluates passwords, grabbing such a piece of code would be considered a 'bad thing'.
Saying in your comments that you found a 'method for neatly measuring password strength and reimplemented it' would, however, demonstrate that not only can you find code that you would need but CAN code and implement the solution.
First option is out. Not only do the USB ports get disabled on such machines, but you can't take a USB stick anywhere near them, any more than you could a phone.
Second option suffers the same "can't get a phone within 10 meters of the machine" that the parent mentioned.
Third, if you can pay a person with security clearance to do this then it isn't a computer problem.
Fourth, people who do this work are not as rigorously checked as their workers/software people, but you will note that all the secure places I know of run custom bios firmware that have checksums to stop this.
Yes, I know people who work at these places, both with clearance (operators and such) and techies that support them, getting to their secure networks/air-gapped networks is not trivial and certainly cannot be done with a USB stick anywhere on your person.
*hears a loud popping*
Oh gods it is starting!
But yes, I came in to see if anyone had picked up on this. Having governments restrict the duration they hold potentially personal data for is a good thing.
But with great power comes great responsibility, aren't they standing up and taking that responsibility now?
And yet this exact 'verification' was a way to steal control of accounts a while back.
Basically, apple asked for the first four digits of your CC for secure verification, Amazon asked for the last four. Each were happy to give the four digits at the opposite end of your account and, worse, Amazon would let you add a new CC to your account, verify yourself with that credit card, then provide the other four digits of your other card. This was used, successfully, to attack a person's Icloud account. I am not sure about now, but I really hope both companies have changed their policies, particularly in regards to phone support and scripted replied to requests for control of accounts.
http://www.wired.com/2012/08/a...
Well, the thing is, the reporter is more than happy to pay the same fee as other companies (or the government) would pay to access it. The real kicker is, a similar request was made for a major public official and it was denied because it was 'personal information' which, if that is the case, then they MUST make this data available to the owner of it.
The trick is, of course, for them to have to make requests of every other telco in the country to check if numbers on the list are private. Although the thought that they give such data out to non-government businesses is a little disturbing.
Yeah, in Australia we have a new centralised medical records system that patients absolutely CAN access. Heck, all my doctors have my folder open as they chat with me most times. I have even asked to see things and have never been refused.
Hint, nvidia drivers are a good one to use. They use akami I believe, and you should be able to max out damn near any connection with a few files coming from there.
If they advertise it as unlimited, it should be unlimited. Download more please!
I must need to update ad-block, it missed this one!
It is more like a chain letter, but in reverse.
It should be: "Get 4 other people to sign up OR Microsoft will teach you how to code"
And you think the utilities will suffer because of this? Here in Australia power companies have just started bringing in (opt-in for now) billing at different rates for different times of the day for all a house's power. They will simply make day-time power prices stay the same and increase prices for night-time usage, passing the loss on to customers as they always have.
Quite naive to think a company would accept the losses themselves.
Bet you are great fun around kids.
So, in regards to the other stuff, Brain and Brawn series? Planet Pirates? Doona?
I thought we were talking sci-fi, I was referring to the sci-fi books in the Pern series, not the fantasy. If you want to discuss fantasy then I have Elizabeth Moon, Kate Forsyth and Katherine Kerr as my preferred authors.
For me? Because when the rest of my diet is reduced to basic carbs, a dietary supplement (hospital grade sustagen) and liquids, then sometimes a diet soft drink is preferred.
Can't speak for the rest of people out there, my opinions are my own.
And if you are wondering why the dietary lockdown, crohns + T2 Diabetes. Basically anything with fiber, acid or undigestible matter (seeds, etc) is off the menu.
Heh, I was raised on Anne McCaffrey. I had dreams of integrating brains with computers, meeting alien species in a non-hostile manner, flying around on bio-engineered dragons and, above all, things generally working out okay for the majority of people.
Well, the single thing limiting how big a skyscraper we can build right now has nothing to do with structural limits and materials.
Elevator traffic. At some point you reach an elevator event horizon where adding a new floor on top means losing one or more floors at the bottom due to needing more elevators to move people to those new floors.
Spock, the captain and the holy Bones.
Then Picard can be the second coming :)
Do you work for Fox News?
Seriously, post his whole sentence not just the excerpt that gives you the most support for your lambaste.
And yes, calling you a fox news employee was ad hominem. But at least I based it off something you actually said/did, rather than invent something.
[citation needed]
You a biter then?
What I mean to say is, play the field, get something from each one (even if it is just some of the cooler stories each have) and don't swallow ;)
Only reason my 15 year old m0n0wall setup was replaced recently was how hard it became to find modern DSL PPPoE modems in retail outlets and the hard drive just stopped spinning. Still, 15 years out of one router (was a VIA integrated CPU + MB with a few gig of ram) is fairly good.
One downside I noticed recently is the silly change that makes the WAN (in my case DSL) password blank out once entered. I really don't see a point in that.