Since most of the users using browsers are these, they dictate the average measure of standards.
The "better" browser browses the best.
If most people had Beta, and more Beta tapes were available, and Beta had better policies with regards to licencing development specs and marketing, then they would have been the best. But they were not because they could not play the majoity of media out there.
Thus the "best" machine would be the one that made the average man happy, and not the perfectionist superior technologist.
I personally always support the underdog (especially if it is technologically superior) thus I was one of the Beta idiots, an Amiga nut and a Linux luser. ;)
I also OWN Windows Commander, Opera, Agent and Eudora. I've also used Cello, NCSA Mosaic, Mozilla, Lynx, konqueror, Neoplanet, Netscape and IE.
Make what you want, I guess. I just tried to play devil's advocate... especially if there could be a bit of truth to it...
Your lack of support for Mac is to a large degree the view of most web designers. They are not as literate as they could be, thus they only support that which they know. Hence not Linux.
Perhaps Konqurer should become available for thr win32 platform as well?
How about "IE is not available for the platform I choose"?
* Choose Microsoft. * Choose VMWare * Wait for Microsoft to split the Browser from the OS
If not, then web browsing is obviously not that important to you.
How about "I don't want to open my computer up to the Microsoft security flaw of the week"?
* Since you are web browsing, you are connected to the web, thus you can run regular updates. Most of the virii and security problems can be fixed quickly. (Faster in some cases than sendmail, inetd, smbd/nfsd, etc. bugs and flaws) * Use a personal firewall. I recommend At-Guard.
How about, "The web was designed for interoperable standards, and web designers who know what they're doing should design accordingly, thus making it unimportant exactly which browser you're using so long as it's a current one"?
* How about, they don't care. * How about, customers with money dictate. * It get's the job done.
How about "People who say that designers have to design IE-only sites are bloody clueless and lazy because real standards are out there which IE even works with, and there's no need to kiss Microsoft's butt on this one"?
* Sure fine, with that all said and done, standards compliant web pages suck. They lose customers in our capitalist society to flashy sites. * People go where the money is. Get down from your standard's compliant podium and get your hands dirty, or you may miss out on the money too...
The problem is not the availibity of compareable packages, the problem is the quality with which it interfaces with MS Office environments.
My entire company uses MS Office, and I have severe trouble with KOffice, SOffice and OOffice, and have tried without success to use them in this environment. On their own they function well (barring the hourly crash) but open a word doc with an excel spreadsheet imbedded, and boom. Also try and have KMail interface with a Exchange server? Not possible. Ximian have got this working, and SOffice is better than OOffice. Thus this could mean a better winning combination... until then I'll have to stick with Microsoft Office - which in my opinion is worth the money I paid for it. (This same sentiment does not nessesarily apply to the MS OS, of course...)
If it was up to me, and I was the Dread Pirate Robberts, I would use KOffice and screw the rest!
The trailers were displayed digitally, perhaps. The real question: was the entire production digitally? I think not.
George Lucas wanted the original master to be done digitally to improve the lifespan of the film. Thus the film will never need to be digitally remastered, and will never fade.
Perhaps other films have more brilliant full colours because they are expected to fade? But this is only un uneducated guess.
All in all, I've bought Opera, Forte Agent, Windows Commander, VMWare and Eudora.
They were hellishly expensive, but they beat the crap out of any other products that are free.
The ADS and pop-ups don't bother me, I bought them because they deserved it!
Whereas what bothers me about the totally free products: They don't quite seem to be mature, stable, reliable, fast.
I don't like the presumption of this article to force the opinion that Evaluation is bad. Please phrase the article to actually draw prositive responses as well.
1) There are DVD players out there for Linux now... don't bother. 2) Get a Windows friend to RIP it for you. 3) If you are a pirate, and want to distribute, then, chances are you can just install your pirated version of Windows and do it with that.
Besides, you only need to rip it the first time.
And DivX, of course... What's the point of VCD anyway.
(a) a recording medium, regardless of its material form, onto which a sound recording may be reproduced, that is of a kind ordinarily used by individual consumers for that purpose and on which no sounds have ever been fixed, including
All one needs to do is to sell re-writables with pre-recorded free music from struggling artists?
I'll gladly pay a levy on that if the money actually goes to the struggling artists...
Perhaps it does, but for every different permutation of setup configuration for a PC there are reliability studies to be done. Intel has been fortunate in the past, people had lotsa money, and could afford Intel (hence them not caring to use RAMBUS). They will start to suffer from the same unreliabilty problems as AMD, since people can now go for non-intel motherboards, and intel has to (for a change) start testing motherboards outside their narrow scope.
Also, as you may know, Intel are much better supported under Microsoft, since their limited hardware configurations make it easy to test and acquire stability.
As a AMD user, I have had severe trouble under Windows 2000 with my AMD machines, but the Intel ones are solid.
Which comes to the point I was trying to make: Intel will have to work hard from now on to keep customers happy, who will start to blame motherboard/OS problems on the chip.
As a Windows evangelist you should understand these things. Duh!
Since this move will only be one toward the end of the year, that will mean that the P4 will still be heavily based on RAMBUS memory.
Even though there are several other P4 motherboards out there supporting DDR RAM for the P4, the point is that Intel will have to support DDR and RAMBUS for their P4 fully.
I can see complications brewing... this should test Intel's mettle.
Otherwise, they may decide to leave the current P4 chips with RAMBUS for now, in which case the customers who bought into it are screwed.
I'm an AMD fan (see me twirl!), but RAMBUS have screwed Intel for the last time with overpriced and underperforming memory.
Not only that, but it's smaller for the same quality output than mp3 or wma.
I do not want to encode my music to something that will cost me in the long term because of OS restrictions. Not long now and Microsoft will force you to buy their mp3 and wma playing licence software. (As has happened with the Windows Media Encoder in XP...)
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But I do believe in uncertainty.
Does this mean my GPS will stop working now?
:)
End-Users do not care about HTML standards.
Since most of the users using browsers are these, they dictate the average measure of standards.
The "better" browser browses the best.
If most people had Beta, and more Beta tapes were available, and Beta had better policies with regards to licencing development specs and marketing, then they would have been the best. But they were not because they could not play the majoity of media out there.
Thus the "best" machine would be the one that made the average man happy, and not the perfectionist superior technologist.
I personally always support the underdog (especially if it is technologically superior) thus I was one of the Beta idiots, an Amiga nut and a Linux luser.
;)
I also OWN Windows Commander, Opera, Agent and Eudora. I've also used Cello, NCSA Mosaic, Mozilla, Lynx, konqueror, Neoplanet, Netscape and IE.
Make what you want, I guess.
I just tried to play devil's advocate... especially if there could be a bit of truth to it...
If people try so hard to make sites work flawlesly with IE, all the more reason to use it.
Besides, it's rarely the browser that crashes, but the plugins or other 'dirty' applications with messy DLLs.
It can even be bad video drivers or a buggy version of DirectX.
I've been told that IE5.5 sp2 is quite stable compared to earlier ones.
With that said:
I've BOUGHT Opera - I try and use it out of principle... But I still NEED (work related) to use IE, and I do grudgingly admit it's superiority.
You don't see IE have trouble for sites because people code around it's trouble spots.
All the more reason for me to use it then. Was this your point?
The same mime/tree/forest point. If it does not crash for me, it's stable.
I agree fully with you! You just don't know it!
:)
Opera may be standards compliant in the same way that most PCs today are more IBM compatible than IBM!
Standards compliant is not really necesarily a good thing! I'd rather use a browser that works...
Go IE!
Go to ZA.NET and check out their page.
If the goverment wants to take control of it, then let them!
People will just move somewhere else, leaving a dead zone.
It will be sad to lose my domains:
e.co.za and tbs.co.za though.
-sigh-
PS: Opera is the ONLY standards complient browser.
If you had to make your page compliant, it may not work with most browsers still. (Acording to Opera.com)
Most companies cannot afford the support and testing with ALL browsers.
It's simple economics.
Me.
'knowledgable' being thr operative word.
Your lack of support for Mac is to a large degree the view of most web designers. They are not as literate as they could be, thus they only support that which they know. Hence not Linux.
Perhaps Konqurer should become available for thr win32 platform as well?
Hmmm..
This slashdot community is to Linux-centric to even want to see that other people like using IE.
How about:
IE has NEVER crashed for me and I can browse anywhere? And this is not an isolated incident?
I have had several versions of Opera, Konquerer, Netscape, Mozilla. Thay all have crashed on me, and they all have trouble with sites.
So moderate me down on this one too. I don't care, I have karma to burn, baby!
Me.
How about "IE is not available for the platform I choose"?
* Choose Microsoft.
* Choose VMWare
* Wait for Microsoft to split the Browser from the OS
If not, then web browsing is obviously not that important to you.
How about "I don't want to open my computer up to the Microsoft security flaw of the week"?
* Since you are web browsing, you are connected to the web, thus you can run regular updates. Most of the virii and security problems can be fixed quickly. (Faster in some cases than sendmail, inetd, smbd/nfsd, etc. bugs and flaws)
* Use a personal firewall. I recommend At-Guard.
How about, "The web was designed for interoperable standards, and web designers who know what they're doing should design accordingly, thus making it unimportant exactly which browser you're using so long as it's a current one"?
* How about, they don't care.
* How about, customers with money dictate.
* It get's the job done.
How about "People who say that designers have to design IE-only sites are bloody clueless and lazy because real standards are out there which IE even works with, and there's no need to kiss Microsoft's butt on this one"?
* Sure fine, with that all said and done, standards compliant web pages suck. They lose customers in our capitalist society to flashy sites.
* People go where the money is. Get down from your standard's compliant podium and get your hands dirty, or you may miss out on the money too...
-Me.
Leave the web designer alone, you standards compliant nazi!
He's right, you know. Banks and large corporations don't give a stuff. It's not viable.
The market and free economy will take care of things: If the browser was really that good people would be using it, and the sites would follow.
Methinks it's the other browsers that are at fault.
Whatever you may have to say about IE, it's still the browser of choice. The choice I refer to of cource being the choice of web designers.
What's the point of using another browser anyway with this being the case.
I always seem to have to return to IE when I have trouble browing sites. (Such as all the banking sites in my country...)
The problem is not the availibity of compareable packages, the problem is the quality with which it interfaces with MS Office environments.
My entire company uses MS Office, and I have severe trouble with KOffice, SOffice and OOffice, and have tried without success to use them in this environment. On their own they function well (barring the hourly crash) but open a word doc with an excel spreadsheet imbedded, and boom. Also try and have KMail interface with a Exchange server? Not possible. Ximian have got this working, and SOffice is better than OOffice. Thus this could mean a better winning combination... until then I'll have to stick with Microsoft Office - which in my opinion is worth the money I paid for it. (This same sentiment does not nessesarily apply to the MS OS, of course...)
If it was up to me, and I was the Dread Pirate Robberts, I would use KOffice and screw the rest!
;)
Me.
The trailers were displayed digitally, perhaps. The real question: was the entire production digitally? I think not.
George Lucas wanted the original master to be done digitally to improve the lifespan of the film. Thus the film will never need to be digitally remastered, and will never fade.
Perhaps other films have more brilliant full colours because they are expected to fade? But this is only un uneducated guess.
This site is dedicaterd to the topic of infamously bad science in movies.
Look no further for humorous reading.
Me.
I agree.
And for light reading, here is a Science Review.
All in all, I've bought Opera, Forte Agent, Windows Commander, VMWare and Eudora.
They were hellishly expensive, but they beat the crap out of any other products that are free.
The ADS and pop-ups don't bother me, I bought them because they deserved it!
Whereas what bothers me about the totally free products: They don't quite seem to be mature, stable, reliable, fast.
I don't like the presumption of this article to force the opinion that Evaluation is bad. Please phrase the article to actually draw prositive responses as well.
Tut. Tut.
1) There are DVD players out there for Linux now... don't bother.
2) Get a Windows friend to RIP it for you.
3) If you are a pirate, and want to distribute, then, chances are you can just install your pirated version of Windows and do it with that.
Besides, you only need to rip it the first time.
And DivX, of course... What's the point of VCD anyway.
This topic sucks.
You will only have small quiet areas unless you purchase many of these sound-damping speakers.
NOT an alternative for just booting that AMD and getting a Pentium...
Me.
They clearly warn the people about the possible damage to your PC CD player....
All they now need to do is ward you about the quality of the performance... anyone with the bad taste to buy Celine Dion albums deserves a crashed PC.
-sigh-
Disclaimer: I don't have a problem with the style of music, just the esceution thereof. (A Problem with the messenger, not the message...)
(a) a recording medium, regardless of its material form, onto which a sound recording may be reproduced, that is of a kind ordinarily used by individual consumers for that purpose and on which no sounds have ever been fixed, including
All one needs to do is to sell re-writables with pre-recorded free music from struggling artists?
I'll gladly pay a levy on that if the money actually goes to the struggling artists...
Hmmm...
The ammount of possible brain-capacity I have to store MP3s will have me taxed to death!
eek!
Better get that lobotomy now!
Perhaps it does, but for every different permutation of setup configuration for a PC there are reliability studies to be done. Intel has been fortunate in the past, people had lotsa money, and could afford Intel (hence them not caring to use RAMBUS). They will start to suffer from the same unreliabilty problems as AMD, since people can now go for non-intel motherboards, and intel has to (for a change) start testing motherboards outside their narrow scope.
Also, as you may know, Intel are much better supported under Microsoft, since their limited hardware configurations make it easy to test and acquire stability.
As a AMD user, I have had severe trouble under Windows 2000 with my AMD machines, but the Intel ones are solid.
Which comes to the point I was trying to make: Intel will have to work hard from now on to keep customers happy, who will start to blame motherboard/OS problems on the chip.
As a Windows evangelist you should understand these things. Duh!
Since this move will only be one toward the end of the year, that will mean that the P4 will still be heavily based on RAMBUS memory.
Even though there are several other P4 motherboards out there supporting DDR RAM for the P4, the point is that Intel will have to support DDR and RAMBUS for their P4 fully.
I can see complications brewing... this should test Intel's mettle.
Otherwise, they may decide to leave the current P4 chips with RAMBUS for now, in which case the customers who bought into it are screwed.
I'm an AMD fan (see me twirl!), but RAMBUS have screwed Intel for the last time with overpriced and underperforming memory.
... because it's an alternative.
Not only that, but it's smaller for the same quality output than mp3 or wma.
I do not want to encode my music to something that will cost me in the long term because of OS restrictions. Not long now and Microsoft will force you to buy their mp3 and wma playing licence software. (As has happened with the Windows Media Encoder in XP...)
My 2 cents.