What do you think about that one:
http://www.integrity-app.com/t...
It is now also officially approved in Europe...
I have may parients on this and they like it... the only problem is the size of the machine... but I guess it will get smaller with time...
The observation period in this study is way too short to see an effect on body weight.
Muscles are heavier (more dense) than fat and exercise has some anabolic effect too. So in the first period a study person is loosing fat and gaining muscle mass. When the muscle amount stabilizes on the higher lever, you will see the weight drop. This effect was nicely seen in SuperSize me.
"It merely means that more people are searching on that term."
Thank you for your kind explanation, I meant that this means something completely different...
Windows XP is the most used OS on this planet in this moment. People search for drivers, support, software, forums, common problems etc. A agree with you, that they type different search terms for them. But... Ubuntu should have (according to this research) only 0,5% of the whole cake of OS-es. Isn't it strange, that this 0,5 % of all google searches get hits more often than windows XP, Vista or Windows 7.
OK, I agree totally with you, that this study wasn't powered enough to answer a question about causal relationship between Asthma and watching TV. I have also first thought... OK, this newsflash comes from yellow magazines... but it doesn't !
And this link is the first link on the front page of the study. They are just not serious and this is not something so uncommon in academic circles these days... They just push such "news" . Plain ugly. Maybe because the other data they mined with taxpayers money was so less interesting, they didn't bother to talk about it. They add, that sun is good for mum and the baby and that FTO is linked to increased appetite... and the input data was collected form mother reported survey...
Why do they still throw money on such studies with total lack of scientific imagination ?
THe cause: YES, WE CAN !!
And they do it. They get a big budget from the country and then they do the "research". But the bill has come and also UK will have to find a way to think, where will they pounds be spend. They didn't bother till now... and now they CAN'T any more...
Except for professional and some forms of allergic asthma, there is no cure for asthma yet. We can only make it less active. We can achieve this with medications, with breathing training and also by other means.
The most important part: having asthma is not he same as having less active asthma. This study is talking about getting asthma, not about having asthma properly treated.
So the question remains the same and is still unanswered by this stupid study: Does enough early live exercise prevents people from getting asthma ?... or is this study only watching a third factor, that influences a degree of child's exercise and asthma induction simultaneously ?
We don't know that, I only hope my taxpayers money is not spent on this nonsense... (maybe they got a brain damaged sponsor or something).
"Yupe that still means "Hey everyone, look what happens if you don't encourage kids to play outside and you let companies spew whatever they want into the air"
It doesn't. You are making the same mistake, those "researchers" are doing. You don't know why some people are more active and some are less.
Nothing in life is certain
For example... If you ingest a certain amount of Polonium ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium )... I can guarantee you, what will happen in a week or two. I can guarantee you also what will happen when a truck full of cement drives over you. Some things are pretty certain in live.
They want to use the computer and then walk away from it because doing anything with a computer is not their idea of a good time.
Exactly ! If they loose a week waiting for an upgrade that resolves a vital bug, then they can close a store. A "national distribution" should be something that is very stable and robust, with not so frequent updates. This is the most important quality it should have. For me and you... the distro should be good... and Fedora is Excellent and pleasure to use.
I only know what iptables are because I've done a lot of reading in the two years
If you know what iptables are and what are they good for, then you are not an average Vladimir or Olga, who will use this in his office... That is a fact.
..the "average" user can't set it up. At the same time, once it is set up, it's virtually maintenance free.
I agree with you on that point. I should only add, that in my personal experience, Fedora is a bit more prone to update bugs then Ubuntu. Fedora will make KDE 4.2 available in Fedora 10, I don't think any other distro will make such upgrade inside a release. They want to test it, before releasing it. I expect some minor problems, but that is why I like it;)... I only want to have it soon. The problems won't be big, but for some average Joe it could be deadly and nonresolvable. I think, there are other distros out there, that are more suitable for dull office work than Fedora. But if Olga wants to learn something new... if she is also open minded and wants to meet Vladimir that knows how to work with Linux, she should go for Fedora... She will have a lot of good time with both of them...
What is wrong with you... did I wrote that I am absolutely right ? I said only, that other people are also complaining... that doesn't' make me right...
I have also expressed some serious arguments (facts) and I am still waiting for yours... maybe you should stay with lurking indeed...
Sorry, but if you know what iptables are, then you are not being objective while saying: I'm closer to "normal people"... Maybe this is your problem, that you don't get it, that knowing what iptables are, is not really normal in a statistical way;)
And I don't agree with you that Fedora is as user friendly for newbies as other distros that are made for "Normal users" that don't know, what iptables are.
If I would be an average "home and small-business desktop" user, then I certainly wouldn't want to use Fedora as my distro...
I think I am an experienced Linux user and I have used around 15 distributions till now. RedHat can claim what it wants, but Fedora is very problematic for average users that want to use it in a reliable way.
In Fedora 10, you have got KDE 4 in raw version (without KDE 3.5, but gnome working nice), updates are in the range of 100MB (almost weakly;), bugs after upgrades are frequent, processor runs frequently on 100%, so I have to kill processes (npviewer.bin and others...). For example, a month ago my mouse was totally dead after upgrade of Fedora 10. I know how to file a bug in bugzilla and we managed to fix it till next upgrade.
How many office users can live with such bugs ? They need to work, to earn money in their offices. And the mouse sleeps ?? Wait till yum update makes something... maybe a week or two. Will the average Joe (or Vladimir) be able to start command prompt and type 'yum update' with mouse not working ??? I am not the only one that thinks this way:
As I said before. I love Fedora, it is my first distro, but I wouldn't recommend it to a friend that is not experienced in Linux to use it for work - in a small office...
Where did I wrote unstable ? I can't find it in my post... can you help me please..
I am using it for my work from the start - from Core 1, but I wouldn't recommend it to a average user... a lot of people on this thread agree with me... for example:
Fedora needs tweaking and I like it that way. When is works(with tweaking), then it works marvellous... not everyone likes 500MB updates... and with Fedora 10 I have filed only 2 bugs on bugzilla;)
One was almost fatal (mouse dead until next update), but I managed not to reinstall Fedora... and this is a good release...
Fedora is the basis for Redhat Enterprise Linux and CentOS, both widely-used operating systems. It's a great choice as a starting point, not necessarily an end product.
Why not use CentOS or RedHat then... that is what I wanted to say with my post. That Fedora is only useful as a testing platform.
Developing a national distribution will cripple their productivity.
I agree with you. In my country the government also tried to sponsor some kind of a national distribution. It was based on RedHat and it was very average, but very localised distribution. It didn't manage to achieve big acceptance. It lasted only for some years, probably so long as the money kept flowing from the government. It is dead since 2005.
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What do you think about that one: http://www.integrity-app.com/t... It is now also officially approved in Europe ...
I have may parients on this and they like it ... the only problem is the size of the machine ... but I guess it will get smaller with time ...
I am a happy user of Fedora from Core 1 ... a beautiful distro ....
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I work with very sick people every day ...
Those nasty bugs can't hurt me, because my immune system gets high every day I see them.
The observation period in this study is way too short to see an effect on body weight.
Muscles are heavier (more dense) than fat and exercise has some anabolic effect too. So in the first period a study person is loosing fat and gaining muscle mass. When the muscle amount stabilizes on the higher lever, you will see the weight drop. This effect was nicely seen in SuperSize me.
One thing to watch out:
...
I tried this with two laptops, and you have to keep the lid open, because processor overheats otherwise.
This is bad for the space it occupies and for the dust that keeps raining on the keyboard
With lid open, it works great.
I want a modern version of Donkey Kong !! With LINUX version plizzz ...
"It merely means that more people are searching on that term."
Thank you for your kind explanation, I meant that this means something completely different ...
Windows XP is the most used OS on this planet in this moment. People search for drivers, support, software, forums, common problems etc. A agree with you, that they type different search terms for them. But ... Ubuntu should have (according to this research) only 0,5% of the whole cake of OS-es. Isn't it strange, that this 0,5 % of all google searches get hits more often than windows XP, Vista or Windows 7.
over 50% against under 0,5% ...
It sounds a bit strange for me ...
http://www.junauza.com/2009/04/ubuntu-now-more-popular-than-windows-xp.html
1% is underestimation of facts.
I am using Linux form my Slashdot news ... I wouldn't like to read it any other way.
OK, I agree totally with you, that this study wasn't powered enough to answer a question about causal relationship between Asthma and watching TV. I have also first thought ... OK, this newsflash comes from yellow magazines ... but it doesn't !
... They just push such "news" . Plain ugly. Maybe because the other data they mined with taxpayers money was so less interesting, they didn't bother to talk about it. They add, that sun is good for mum and the baby and that FTO is linked to increased appetite ... and the input data was collected form mother reported survey ...
... and now they CAN'T any more ...
They do actually comment it on their web site: http://www.bristol.ac.uk/alspac/documents/tv-asthma-risk.pdf
And this link is the first link on the front page of the study. They are just not serious and this is not something so uncommon in academic circles these days
Why do they still throw money on such studies with total lack of scientific imagination ?
THe cause: YES, WE CAN !!
And they do it. They get a big budget from the country and then they do the "research". But the bill has come and also UK will have to find a way to think, where will they pounds be spend. They didn't bother till now
Except for professional and some forms of allergic asthma, there is no cure for asthma yet. We can only make it less active. We can achieve this with medications, with breathing training and also by other means.
... or is this study only watching a third factor, that influences a degree of child's exercise and asthma induction simultaneously ?
... (maybe they got a brain damaged sponsor or something).
The most important part: having asthma is not he same as having less active asthma. This study is talking about getting asthma, not about having asthma properly treated.
So the question remains the same and is still unanswered by this stupid study: Does enough early live exercise prevents people from getting asthma ?
We don't know that, I only hope my taxpayers money is not spent on this nonsense
"Yupe that still means "Hey everyone, look what happens if you don't encourage kids to play outside and you let companies spew whatever they want into the air"
... If you ingest a certain amount of Polonium ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium ) ... I can guarantee you, what will happen in a week or two. I can guarantee you also what will happen when a truck full of cement drives over you. Some things are pretty certain in live.
It doesn't. You are making the same mistake, those "researchers" are doing. You don't know why some people are more active and some are less.
Nothing in life is certain
For example
Or: "Doctors already successfully sharing their patients data".
I'm a cell-phone-battery-in-kind-of guy !!!
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/03/reiser-briefly.html
Probably not:
http://news.slashdot.org/search.pl?tid=&query=rapist&sort=1&op=comments&threshold=-1&sid=
You can't blame those poor people. I think that their fears are totally rational ...
:
How can you expect something good come of this lab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOPTriLG5cU
They want to use the computer and then walk away from it because doing anything with a computer is not their idea of a good time.
... the distro should be good ... and Fedora is Excellent and pleasure to use.
Exactly ! If they loose a week waiting for an upgrade that resolves a vital bug, then they can close a store. A "national distribution" should be something that is very stable and robust, with not so frequent updates. This is the most important quality it should have. For me and you
I only know what iptables are because I've done a lot of reading in the two years
... That is a fact.
..the "average" user can't set it up. At the same time, once it is set up, it's virtually maintenance free.
;) ... I only want to have it soon. The problems won't be big, but for some average Joe it could be deadly and nonresolvable. I think, there are other distros out there, that are more suitable for dull office work than Fedora. But if Olga wants to learn something new ... if she is also open minded and wants to meet Vladimir that knows how to work with Linux, she should go for Fedora ... She will have a lot of good time with both of them ...
If you know what iptables are and what are they good for, then you are not an average Vladimir or Olga, who will use this in his office
I agree with you on that point. I should only add, that in my personal experience, Fedora is a bit more prone to update bugs then Ubuntu. Fedora will make KDE 4.2 available in Fedora 10, I don't think any other distro will make such upgrade inside a release. They want to test it, before releasing it. I expect some minor problems, but that is why I like it
What is wrong with you ... did I wrote that I am absolutely right ? I said only, that other people are also complaining ... that doesn't' make me right ...
... maybe you should stay with lurking indeed ...
I have also expressed some serious arguments (facts) and I am still waiting for yours
Sorry, but if you know what iptables are, then you are not being objective while saying: I'm closer to "normal people" ... Maybe this is your problem, that you don't get it, that knowing what iptables are, is not really normal in a statistical way ;)
And I don't agree with you that Fedora is as user friendly for newbies as other distros that are made for "Normal users" that don't know, what iptables are.
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1122595&cid=26800513
If I would be an average "home and small-business desktop" user, then I certainly wouldn't want to use Fedora as my distro ...
;), bugs after upgrades are frequent, processor runs frequently on 100%, so I have to kill processes (npviewer.bin and others ...). For example, a month ago my mouse was totally dead after upgrade of Fedora 10. I know how to file a bug in bugzilla and we managed to fix it till next upgrade.
... maybe a week or two. Will the average Joe (or Vladimir) be able to start command prompt and type 'yum update' with mouse not working ??? I am not the only one that thinks this way:
...
I think I am an experienced Linux user and I have used around 15 distributions till now. RedHat can claim what it wants, but Fedora is very problematic for average users that want to use it in a reliable way.
In Fedora 10, you have got KDE 4 in raw version (without KDE 3.5, but gnome working nice), updates are in the range of 100MB (almost weakly
How many office users can live with such bugs ? They need to work, to earn money in their offices. And the mouse sleeps ?? Wait till yum update makes something
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1122595&cid=26797959
As I said before. I love Fedora, it is my first distro, but I wouldn't recommend it to a friend that is not experienced in Linux to use it for work - in a small office
Where did I wrote unstable ? I can't find it in my post ... can you help me please ..
... a lot of people on this thread agree with me ... for example:
... not everyone likes 500MB updates ... and with Fedora 10 I have filed only 2 bugs on bugzilla ;) ... and this is a good release ...
I am using it for my work from the start - from Core 1, but I wouldn't recommend it to a average user
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1122595&cid=26797959
Fedora needs tweaking and I like it that way. When is works(with tweaking), then it works marvellous
One was almost fatal (mouse dead until next update), but I managed not to reinstall Fedora
Fedora is the basis for Redhat Enterprise Linux and CentOS, both widely-used operating systems. It's a great choice as a starting point, not necessarily an end product.
... that is what I wanted to say with my post. That Fedora is only useful as a testing platform.
Why not use CentOS or RedHat then
Developing a national distribution will cripple their productivity.
I agree with you. In my country the government also tried to sponsor some kind of a national distribution. It was based on RedHat and it was very average, but very localised distribution. It didn't manage to achieve big acceptance. It lasted only for some years, probably so long as the money kept flowing from the government. It is dead since 2005.
R.I.P.: http://www.pingo.org/
To be good, Linux distributions should have a financial model behind it.
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