This question has come up in a lot of metaphysical contexts, and the response is generally yes so long as you are just copied on the other side. Whether or not you die if your particles are transmitted is another question, but probably yes as well.
In my own defense, I read that article in print a few months ago, so I may have forgotten that bit about Pfizer. While I wouldn't call myself a cynic about drug companies, their track record for doing quality science is less than impressive. Mind telling me what was emotional about my comment?
I'm decently well read in philosophy of science, actually. I don't believe in a deterministic universe, nor do I believe that any question can be answered using the scientific method. So you aren't stinging me, because you are totally wrong about what I believe (minus the fact that I don't think we have souls and am not a dualist, but that is not relevant to the questions at hand). But, I do understand the difference between a well controlled experiment and a correlational study. Although "correlation is different than causation" is somewhat of a misleading phrase, one technique is far more rigorous than the other. If we just assume that correlation is good enough, we'd be blaming the navies for killing all the pirates, resulting in global warming! This article could be about error, but it uses really really sloppy examples of error. And basically, the crappy research examples cited here (or rather, crappy interpretations of good research, depending on your viewpoint or the specific study in question) do just that. And don't get me started about medical doctors who have no training in understanding research or science as a process, but rather know a lot of scientific facts, which I also think this article carried a healthy dose of but failed to discuss in depth. If you want a failing of science, is that many people who should understand how it really works do not, and think it is just a collection of facts collected with test tubes or [science-y device of your choosing]. If they were going to make a point about error, determinism, etc, they could have chosen a better way to do it, starting with better examples.
Also, what makes you think I am a man? I am, but if we are going to talk about idiots lets start with people that make assumptions about who they are talking to (in addition to your comments about what I believe). And don't tell me that you actually clicked on my profile, homepage, etc, and took the time to figure it out before you flippantly wrote "and trust me sir, you ARE an idiot." Anyway, I'm only replying for the interest of other readers who may be interested in the bigger picture. You can go crawl back under your bridge.
Science is not failing us. Apparently, the pharmaceutical companies and their correlational studies are.
Science - whether behavioral, biological, or physical - does not necessarily depend on correlations. Manipulating an independent variable and comparing it to other conditions (a control group, for example) is what makes an experiment more than just a correlational study. This is what allows us to make causal relationships clearer, even if we don't perfectly understand the pathways that lead A to cause B. By failing to make this distinction, the article makes it sound as if scientists are merely fumbling around in the dark without a clue as to how anything works.
Really this article just provides many fine examples of how correlational information used by medical doctors is failing us - not scientists doing actual experiments.
Not to mention that China or Russia tend to build cool stuff and then only build a handful of them. I don't see either country churning out 100-200 of their next gen stealth fighters each.
Uhh....bullshit. They haven't flown in combat yet (because there has been no need for strict air-to-air combat since they came in service), but they are a part of the air defense system and have intercepted russian bombers near the arctic.
Actually, if you think about Jobs in the 70s and 80s, he DID make something available to the masses that previously had been stuck in universities and corporations. I also make this comparison because of their marketing abilities, and because he didn't personally design the most famous things his company made.
I'm not a linguist, but I do know from being in the cognitive sciences that language involves syntax, grammar, etc. Dogs can learn words to respond to commands (or get excited about a treat or a walk) but it isn't the same as having a conversation with them.
Fair enough, the summary presented on the MIT news website was quite misleading. Your abstract clearly indicates that this is not the case. However, having read some of your other work (FFA/FFG debate, a PNAS review from a year or so ago about functional specificity) I wasn't prone to question the summary as it fits with the view of brain functioning that I read about in said articles, and a view that I disagree with in a more general sense. My apologies if my previous criticism came across as ad hominem, I don't give slashdot posts the same kind of attention (tone, etc) that I would give an email or other communication because they are, as you would say, idle.
I've read plenty of other research (check out the fusiform gyrus/face area debates) and perhaps erroneously jumped to the conclusion that this was a bit of that history repeating.
There is something odd about research out of MIT. They seem to really like the idea that there are parts of the brain that innately do one specific thing (well, at least Nancy Kanwisher does, and she is on this paper). It is pretty much ridiculous to argue that we have have a unique reading area of the brain since it is something the human race hasn't been doing that long. It wouldn't surprise me if the same brain regions are used in most people to read, but it is very odd to assume that one brain region would basically be useless or taken over by other regions for a large number of humans. Functional specificity makes sense for motor cortex and primary sensory receiving areas, but not something as high level as reading.
They communicate, but they don't actually use language. Also, it is hard to point out clear analogues in primate brains, much less other mammals or birds.
I read that last sentence in my head as the Emperor.
Such battle stations are banned by treaty already. They would be really easy to shoot down (target moving in a routine and predictable orbit), and are kind of unnecessary when you have ICBMs.
I think you mean "if you are a university, you can pay the coaches more money and hire more adjuncts instead of tenure track faculty." There is a difference between a university wanting money to support staff, get new equipment, etc, and a company that is accountable to shareholders. Big difference. Look at non-profit vs. for-profit universities, for a start.
It does reduce how you run things, you know, not having shareholders to worry about. Just look at how for-profit vs non-profit universities work, for starters.
Mod parent up. As a grad student it frustrates me that people don't think I'm "on the job" or "lack work experience" when I spend all summer working and about 35 hours a week doing research on top of 20+ hours of coursework and TAing stuff.
When will you "education is a scam to get your your money" people realize that these arguments don't really hold much water when you are dealing with non-profit organizations?
Err, when I think of "Hackers" I think anti-establishment, including higher ed. Also, if you have been around higher ed since the 60s, you'd realize it wasn't full of Marxists.
And kill streaks. COD4 was bearable in that department, but MW2 was over the top. TWO harriers? The AC-130? The ability to have multiple aircraft in the air at once drove me mad. I'm so glad they added the "airspace full" rule in black ops.
Sorry folks, you can't say from a purely behavioral study what "the brain" is doing. Even if you take a totally materialist stance (as opposed to dualism) you still can't. You must point to a brain region that lights up (or is damaged), or event related potentials (a type of EEG analysis) to talk about what the brain is doing. In this case, it is entirely possible that other parts of the nervous system are influencing the biases reported in TFA and the cited articles. The peripheral nervous system is important for behavioral and emotional processes too. For example, paralyzed patients experience dampened affect, among other things.
As a neuroscientist I'm scared that the perception of my field will be hurt by crappy pop neuroscience, much like how psychology was hurt by pop psychology in the 90s (and is still recovering).
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Eh, it actually says more about why correlation is not enough than attacking actual experiments.
This question has come up in a lot of metaphysical contexts, and the response is generally yes so long as you are just copied on the other side. Whether or not you die if your particles are transmitted is another question, but probably yes as well.
In my own defense, I read that article in print a few months ago, so I may have forgotten that bit about Pfizer. While I wouldn't call myself a cynic about drug companies, their track record for doing quality science is less than impressive. Mind telling me what was emotional about my comment?
I'm decently well read in philosophy of science, actually. I don't believe in a deterministic universe, nor do I believe that any question can be answered using the scientific method. So you aren't stinging me, because you are totally wrong about what I believe (minus the fact that I don't think we have souls and am not a dualist, but that is not relevant to the questions at hand). But, I do understand the difference between a well controlled experiment and a correlational study. Although "correlation is different than causation" is somewhat of a misleading phrase, one technique is far more rigorous than the other. If we just assume that correlation is good enough, we'd be blaming the navies for killing all the pirates, resulting in global warming! This article could be about error, but it uses really really sloppy examples of error. And basically, the crappy research examples cited here (or rather, crappy interpretations of good research, depending on your viewpoint or the specific study in question) do just that. And don't get me started about medical doctors who have no training in understanding research or science as a process, but rather know a lot of scientific facts, which I also think this article carried a healthy dose of but failed to discuss in depth. If you want a failing of science, is that many people who should understand how it really works do not, and think it is just a collection of facts collected with test tubes or [science-y device of your choosing]. If they were going to make a point about error, determinism, etc, they could have chosen a better way to do it, starting with better examples.
Also, what makes you think I am a man? I am, but if we are going to talk about idiots lets start with people that make assumptions about who they are talking to (in addition to your comments about what I believe). And don't tell me that you actually clicked on my profile, homepage, etc, and took the time to figure it out before you flippantly wrote "and trust me sir, you ARE an idiot." Anyway, I'm only replying for the interest of other readers who may be interested in the bigger picture. You can go crawl back under your bridge.
Science is not failing us. Apparently, the pharmaceutical companies and their correlational studies are. Science - whether behavioral, biological, or physical - does not necessarily depend on correlations. Manipulating an independent variable and comparing it to other conditions (a control group, for example) is what makes an experiment more than just a correlational study. This is what allows us to make causal relationships clearer, even if we don't perfectly understand the pathways that lead A to cause B. By failing to make this distinction, the article makes it sound as if scientists are merely fumbling around in the dark without a clue as to how anything works. Really this article just provides many fine examples of how correlational information used by medical doctors is failing us - not scientists doing actual experiments.
Not to mention that China or Russia tend to build cool stuff and then only build a handful of them. I don't see either country churning out 100-200 of their next gen stealth fighters each.
Uhh....bullshit. They haven't flown in combat yet (because there has been no need for strict air-to-air combat since they came in service), but they are a part of the air defense system and have intercepted russian bombers near the arctic.
Are you talking about Israelis and Palestians, or Star Wars and Star Trek Fans?
Actually, if you think about Jobs in the 70s and 80s, he DID make something available to the masses that previously had been stuck in universities and corporations. I also make this comparison because of their marketing abilities, and because he didn't personally design the most famous things his company made.
I thought Henry Ford was the best comparison, to be honest.
I'm not a linguist, but I do know from being in the cognitive sciences that language involves syntax, grammar, etc. Dogs can learn words to respond to commands (or get excited about a treat or a walk) but it isn't the same as having a conversation with them.
Fair enough, the summary presented on the MIT news website was quite misleading. Your abstract clearly indicates that this is not the case. However, having read some of your other work (FFA/FFG debate, a PNAS review from a year or so ago about functional specificity) I wasn't prone to question the summary as it fits with the view of brain functioning that I read about in said articles, and a view that I disagree with in a more general sense. My apologies if my previous criticism came across as ad hominem, I don't give slashdot posts the same kind of attention (tone, etc) that I would give an email or other communication because they are, as you would say, idle.
I've read plenty of other research (check out the fusiform gyrus/face area debates) and perhaps erroneously jumped to the conclusion that this was a bit of that history repeating.
There is something odd about research out of MIT. They seem to really like the idea that there are parts of the brain that innately do one specific thing (well, at least Nancy Kanwisher does, and she is on this paper). It is pretty much ridiculous to argue that we have have a unique reading area of the brain since it is something the human race hasn't been doing that long. It wouldn't surprise me if the same brain regions are used in most people to read, but it is very odd to assume that one brain region would basically be useless or taken over by other regions for a large number of humans. Functional specificity makes sense for motor cortex and primary sensory receiving areas, but not something as high level as reading.
They communicate, but they don't actually use language. Also, it is hard to point out clear analogues in primate brains, much less other mammals or birds.
It does now. This problem has been taken care of in the last few years.
To be fair, did they actually call it "ass cancer"?
I read that last sentence in my head as the Emperor.
Such battle stations are banned by treaty already. They would be really easy to shoot down (target moving in a routine and predictable orbit), and are kind of unnecessary when you have ICBMs.
I think you mean "if you are a university, you can pay the coaches more money and hire more adjuncts instead of tenure track faculty." There is a difference between a university wanting money to support staff, get new equipment, etc, and a company that is accountable to shareholders. Big difference. Look at non-profit vs. for-profit universities, for a start.
It does reduce how you run things, you know, not having shareholders to worry about. Just look at how for-profit vs non-profit universities work, for starters.
Mod parent up. As a grad student it frustrates me that people don't think I'm "on the job" or "lack work experience" when I spend all summer working and about 35 hours a week doing research on top of 20+ hours of coursework and TAing stuff.
When will you "education is a scam to get your your money" people realize that these arguments don't really hold much water when you are dealing with non-profit organizations?
Err, when I think of "Hackers" I think anti-establishment, including higher ed. Also, if you have been around higher ed since the 60s, you'd realize it wasn't full of Marxists.
And kill streaks. COD4 was bearable in that department, but MW2 was over the top. TWO harriers? The AC-130? The ability to have multiple aircraft in the air at once drove me mad. I'm so glad they added the "airspace full" rule in black ops.
Sorry folks, you can't say from a purely behavioral study what "the brain" is doing. Even if you take a totally materialist stance (as opposed to dualism) you still can't. You must point to a brain region that lights up (or is damaged), or event related potentials (a type of EEG analysis) to talk about what the brain is doing. In this case, it is entirely possible that other parts of the nervous system are influencing the biases reported in TFA and the cited articles. The peripheral nervous system is important for behavioral and emotional processes too. For example, paralyzed patients experience dampened affect, among other things.
As a neuroscientist I'm scared that the perception of my field will be hurt by crappy pop neuroscience, much like how psychology was hurt by pop psychology in the 90s (and is still recovering).
Yeah, like non-CS majors.