You fear I am concerned that when all of this is said and done, only users of a Microsoft OS will not receive spam.;-)
Fear not, everyone will still get spam. Only those using M$ OS will be able to send it or any other kind of email as far as that goes. I sure am glad M$ says it does not want to change the structure of the internet, now if only they would foreswear spamming instead of trying to own the dredful stuff.
The simple solution is to make all spam against the law and fine the senders. All other changes are suspect. M$, AOL involvement doubles reasonable fears.
Judging local government by Cable monopolies, I think your plan would fail most people. Cable companies offer non-essential services but cost far more than a land line here. I'm particularly disgusted by the way they are jumping into the telcom scam by "offering" fees for voice over IP calls on their cable modems. Hmmph! Fees for what should be covered by their already inflated flat modem rates, and a policy that will now prevent people from using protocalls. Here come the bit police. Why am I ranting about this with respect to local government? Because my local govenrment was bought years ago and has provided these pigs a monopoly service where competition would be to everyone's benifit.
The answer is to end the monopolies. Open up more spectrum to 802.11 type services, establish quality standards for people laying their own lines on public property and get out of the way. We would soon have several modern and convenient communications competing for our business. The surviving Bells would have to figure out ways to make their lines profitable by offering services like DSL that people want rather than screwing them for services they need. The "natural" part of the monopoly died a few decades ago..
Unsolicited commercial calls and faxes *are* in many cases illegal. It helps so much. Automated calling, automated answering machine messages, continuing to call after being requested not to... all illegal, all practiced. How do you propose to *enforce* such laws?
It does help. In places that junk faxes get you fined, there are few if any junk faxes. Anyone trying to sell you something will make sure you know who they are and how to get in touch with them. Laying down the fine is not hard. Few companies wish to risk their reputations and cash that way. Everything else has been a failure.
User NAN might agree that he can not be reduced to statistics, but he has not posted enough lately for me to derive useful statistics. I'll get back to you on that one.
For now the behavior of Alice bots is difficult enough.
Funny you should mention the motion picture industry, yet another cartel. Yet Hollywood looks honest next to spammers and phone hucksters. There's nothing sincere about this effort but the desire to make money by obnoxing all of us.
These turkeys just want to keep out their competitors. Shemes to add intelligence to the internet are all designed to make it imposible for any but a select few to send the adverts. They seek legitmacy and government protection for their abuse of a public network. That's not something I'm willing to give up my ability to run a mail server for. Nor do I wish for my ISP to be forced to pay fees for the new service which will garantee spam forever.
So called "accountability" schemes to rework mail protocal are equally evil. The 1:1 network of copper wires known as the telephone system is abused all day long.
The answer is to simply outlaw these obnoxious practices. Unsolicited comercial calls are abuses of public networks and should not be tollerated. People who would abuse their neighbors this way should be fined and put in jail.
Unless SMTP is re-worked to disallow false source addresses,spam is not going to be stopped.... As long as there is no accountability from the sources of spam, it will continue to be pumped out from overseas. Though projects like PennyBlack and SpamNet are good in concept, the only one that has proven to work is intellegent filtering. [plug for anti-spam software]
Accountability has not stopped telemarketers from using the 1:1 network known as the telphone system. Only laws which make abusing a public network with advertisements will make spam go away. Public networks are made for communications not spam and it can all be over tomorrow if a reasonable law were passed. So called "accountability" schemes that add intellignece to the internet will only divert money to those who run the servers and further degrade the ability of normal people to contribute real content.
The competition is HP-UX/AIX/Solaris. Anybody like to cite interesting portions of the EULA of those systems?
Pricey systems! I'll be happy to do a market study for you. Just send me a brief description of what you wish to acomplish, the hardware you own, your budget and a research fee of $5,000 then I'll get back to you next week with a few proposals. I'd be loath to not include Linux and BSD in that proposal, but I can neglect those cheaper alternate solutions for an additional $2,000 and a written statement to that effect. Proposals can be in any format you chose and with held from further publication at your request.
An AC says, "but friends don't help friends install GM junk".
Oh my God, M$ GM! Friends surely would not recomend closed source license restricted Genetic Modifications. I hope M$ dies before GM becomes practical, the culture M$ would bring to the field chills the blood.
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This includes free to be used in unspeakable ways, so long as the source is always included and freely redistributable
Don't forget the zeroth freedom, the ability to use the code for any purpose, and the ability to modify that code for any puropose and distribute the modifications. DRM denies all of the above, therfore DRM is against the GPL.
I'm just an engineer myself but I can spot so blatant a contradiction as that.
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Yeah, DRM is OK on a machine you don't care to own and that is a direct contradiction of the spirit of the GNU project. It seems impossible to distribute under the GPL code that restricts what the user does, that can't be modified and still function, that prevents you from sharing improvements with your friends. It's not a perversion, it's diametrically opposed.
You and Linus can try to justify working on tools to screw your friends and yourself anyway you like. Call it choice, call it freedom, it's still dirty. In the end, the people you help screw others will squash you.
Many sorry laws will have to be passed to make DRM with GPL'd code work. First legal challenges to such misuse of GPL's code will have to work. Then the bastards will have to outlaw free code. There is no way to push their cripled versions while free code is available.
S. M. Stirling's Draka novels do a very good job of deamonizing GM. The author's fictional society eliminates human beings in a single generation. They did so because they viewed all humans not part of their society as enemies to be destroyed. Once they had their modifications for themselves, humans were just another interesting scpeices of prey. The result was an unnatural and stagnant society. The problem of stagnation is a danger any GM capable society faces. If you can chose what you will be you lose evolution within your society as each member conforms to expectations.
Oh yeah, we can't forget Gatica either, where percieved differences of GM were enough to screw the life of non GM people.
The answer, as usual, is to press on. We already know there are genitic differences between the races and that those make for differences in capabilities. The difference between potential and actual capabilities of individuals thwarts reasonable discrimination. The same reasonining will apply as our ability to measure that potential increases. I imagine that scientists who would "improve" humans beings will be faced with all the trade-offs and problems that bind nature itself. Laws discriminating against GM people will quickly fade away as the techniques become more common. So long as we proceed rationally, we have little to fear. As with any technology, the danger is not in the capability it's in how it's used. Banning the technology is as impossible and harmful as banning knowledge.
Better idea: purchase a membership to Pre-Paid Legal. [kenbeal.com]... They'll even be able to answer your zoning questions for you. For free.
A reputable lawyer looking for business will answer questions for free as well. It builds good will for when you actually grow and can afford to pay. Prepaid is a total rip-off for all concerned. I should know, a cousin of mine participated in it. If you don't have a family lawyer, you know someone who does or at least knows a lawyer who they think well of.
o, Microsoft can't get rid of IBM; what would lead you to think they could?
I don't think they can either. That's why I said, "IBM is not going to lose either and SCO is going to find that the faster they prosecute this nonsenes the quicker they die." My point was that achieving their goals would not save them.
But M$ would never actually bribe another company to sue (and threaten to sue) the companies that represent the biggest threats to them just as a marketing ploy would they?
Of course they will. Will it save them? No. They can eliminate IBM, Red Hat and Susi but free software will remain. The contributions of such companies are considerable but far from required. Microsoft will run out of whores faster than the world will run out of free softare developers and users. IBM is not going to lose either and SCO is going to find that the faster they prosecute this nonsenes the quicker they die.. The demise of such whores only makes working with M$ that less atractive and free software that much better.
It's like watching your buddies in 1970 vintage Soviet tanks getting splattered because they were too afraid of Sadam to run away. You don't need to see much of that before you move onto the bigger better thing.
Bing Bing Bing! Your answers are SO Microsoft that I am hearby authorized to hire you as Steve Baller's Replacement! Not only have you wasted your time and energy with such mental masturbation, you have come up with answers we approve of. Let's examine:
If asked to move Mount Fuji relative to myself, I could just walk.
Double Pluss Good! You have simply convinced yourself that it moved. Fuji is Fuji but you are ours. Other correct answers involve name changes and crossing your eyes.
If you need to move by only a small amount relative to some other mountain, and movement is judged according to the centre of gravity, then moving one rock from the side of the mountain to the other side would shift the centre of gravity a little and so count as moving.
Again, you see clearly the Microsoft spirit, do nothing and say it is changed! Once you have decieved yourself, you can lie to others as well.
We love you! With that kind of thinking, you could pass five, fifteen or fifty M$ employees without earning a blackball. When can you start, bright man? We will ink a copy of our 500 page unilaterally changeable NDA's and employee contracts right away. Welcome to the world's smartest soon to be extinct company, where delusions of moving Fugi are matched only by visions of world conquest and neo-Darwinian madness.
I connected to his computer via Remote Desktop and browsed his folder and when I got to his My Music directory it was full of 7 gigs of movie files, none of which he had seen before. I deleted them and suggested he get a firewall program.
Of course this is "not unheard of". The question this begs is if there is a person out there who does not know someone who's trashy M$ box has been abused in this manner. I know two people, my brother in law who likes music and a friend of my wife who is a competent NT sysadmin.
Your brother should rebuild the machine. It was owned and the owners could have installed anything they wanted on it, including services your "firewall" will not catch.
You should also caution your brother about running all sorts of services he does not need or use, such as remote desktop, or many of the other big bright blinking "rape me" services M$ puts on their boxes. The easiest way to do this is to not use windows. Look to Debian or Mandrake for reasonable setups.
My IT friend gave up windows for personal use a year ago. Someone put an ftp server on one of his NT machines. The server refused local connections, so that he could not see it from itself. The ftp directory was hidden, but he was able to see it when he looked hard enough. He was denied the ability to see within it, however. He could see the server from other machines, though he was not able to login. It should be rather obvious that he was not the owner of his own machine at that point. That was it for him.
The government cannot prevent you from expressing your displeasure with its activities, however they are under no obligation to pay you while you're doing it.
The issue is thornier than that when you consider that Federal spending makes up more than 25% of the US Gross Domestic Product. It should be obvious what kind of tax burden we bear to support that kind of spending. If all Federal spending was directed by the political whims of individual agents, we might feel as if the fruits of our labors were being stripped from us to fund things we dissagree with. That is a state also known as slavery.
That said, it's hard to dissagree with the reasons Theo claims got the project canned. Saying silly things like, "I try to convince myself that our grant means a half of a cruise missile doesn't get built." in a public paper will get you canned from a military project. A statement like that is half a nothing away from advocating sabotage at plants building weapons. You might expect that military projects would require the loyalty or at least prohibit active resistance. You might also imagine the kind of problems this statement would have created for Theo's advocates inside the DARPA administration.
There you have it, computers by recognizing speach and gestures are bucking the communications trend. Who would have thunk that the silicone gods could not come up with a better way of interacting with our computers than a bunch of grunts and shifts?
IANAL, but it sure as hell sounds like whatever Napster was legally responsible for will apply to Hummer Winblad (what a silly, cool name). They were hardly silent partners.
Don't worry, you don't have to understand the concepts of corporate law and how it's supposed to shield you from personal liablility for actions of your company and thereby encourage business. All you have to know is what anyone who ever did anything practical for any company knows. It's the law of excutive incompetence which can be expressed this way:
You supervisor has forgoten many tricks of your trade in order to deal effectively with their own supervior. This applies, with diminishing competence, all the way up to the CEO who knows nothing except how to deal with shareholders who know nothing at all.
There you have it. Chances are Winblad had no idea of what Napster did further than:
1. It's something to do with music and kids love it.
2. ???
3. Profit.
He was also the largest share holder so the law applies to him twice!
If packet sniffing requires a courts approval, what does it matter if it is implemented in the hardware or not?
The hardware is designed to hide the sniffing so that you don't have to bother with the warrent. This is evil because it requires no extra equipment or programing, it's just there part of the ordinary equipment. Other things leave a trail. This leaves you and your ISP in the dark. It's in the spirit of Carnivore, USA-Patriot and all that. It's not what I pay my taxes for and it's unAmerican as all hell.
It's more like they decided not to call it a "WINdows Emulator", but anyone can see that it is.
You will have a hard time convincing anyone that they should not be able to use the software they purchased under another OS. Monkeyshines like this from Microsoft are just another good reason to not make the purchase in the first place. I got my junky old win98 sitting in the corner and it is rarely used.
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Fear not, everyone will still get spam. Only those using M$ OS will be able to send it or any other kind of email as far as that goes. I sure am glad M$ says it does not want to change the structure of the internet, now if only they would foreswear spamming instead of trying to own the dredful stuff.
The simple solution is to make all spam against the law and fine the senders. All other changes are suspect. M$, AOL involvement doubles reasonable fears.
The answer is to end the monopolies. Open up more spectrum to 802.11 type services, establish quality standards for people laying their own lines on public property and get out of the way. We would soon have several modern and convenient communications competing for our business. The surviving Bells would have to figure out ways to make their lines profitable by offering services like DSL that people want rather than screwing them for services they need. The "natural" part of the monopoly died a few decades ago..
It does help. In places that junk faxes get you fined, there are few if any junk faxes. Anyone trying to sell you something will make sure you know who they are and how to get in touch with them. Laying down the fine is not hard. Few companies wish to risk their reputations and cash that way. Everything else has been a failure.
For now the behavior of Alice bots is difficult enough.
These turkeys just want to keep out their competitors. Shemes to add intelligence to the internet are all designed to make it imposible for any but a select few to send the adverts. They seek legitmacy and government protection for their abuse of a public network. That's not something I'm willing to give up my ability to run a mail server for. Nor do I wish for my ISP to be forced to pay fees for the new service which will garantee spam forever.
So called "accountability" schemes to rework mail protocal are equally evil. The 1:1 network of copper wires known as the telephone system is abused all day long.
The answer is to simply outlaw these obnoxious practices. Unsolicited comercial calls are abuses of public networks and should not be tollerated. People who would abuse their neighbors this way should be fined and put in jail.
Accountability has not stopped telemarketers from using the 1:1 network known as the telphone system. Only laws which make abusing a public network with advertisements will make spam go away. Public networks are made for communications not spam and it can all be over tomorrow if a reasonable law were passed. So called "accountability" schemes that add intellignece to the internet will only divert money to those who run the servers and further degrade the ability of normal people to contribute real content.
Anybody like to cite interesting portions of the EULA of those systems?
Pricey systems! I'll be happy to do a market study for you. Just send me a brief description of what you wish to acomplish, the hardware you own, your budget and a research fee of $5,000 then I'll get back to you next week with a few proposals. I'd be loath to not include Linux and BSD in that proposal, but I can neglect those cheaper alternate solutions for an additional $2,000 and a written statement to that effect. Proposals can be in any format you chose and with held from further publication at your request.
Why not read the article and see, ass? Some of us did. You might try that before posting three ignorant rants to this thread. Ridicule is good for you.
Oh my God, M$ GM! Friends surely would not recomend closed source license restricted Genetic Modifications. I hope M$ dies before GM becomes practical, the culture M$ would bring to the field chills the blood.
Don't forget the zeroth freedom, the ability to use the code for any purpose, and the ability to modify that code for any puropose and distribute the modifications. DRM denies all of the above, therfore DRM is against the GPL.
I'm just an engineer myself but I can spot so blatant a contradiction as that.
You and Linus can try to justify working on tools to screw your friends and yourself anyway you like. Call it choice, call it freedom, it's still dirty. In the end, the people you help screw others will squash you.
Many sorry laws will have to be passed to make DRM with GPL'd code work. First legal challenges to such misuse of GPL's code will have to work. Then the bastards will have to outlaw free code. There is no way to push their cripled versions while free code is available.
Oh yeah, we can't forget Gatica either, where percieved differences of GM were enough to screw the life of non GM people.
The answer, as usual, is to press on. We already know there are genitic differences between the races and that those make for differences in capabilities. The difference between potential and actual capabilities of individuals thwarts reasonable discrimination. The same reasonining will apply as our ability to measure that potential increases. I imagine that scientists who would "improve" humans beings will be faced with all the trade-offs and problems that bind nature itself. Laws discriminating against GM people will quickly fade away as the techniques become more common. So long as we proceed rationally, we have little to fear. As with any technology, the danger is not in the capability it's in how it's used. Banning the technology is as impossible and harmful as banning knowledge.
A reputable lawyer looking for business will answer questions for free as well. It builds good will for when you actually grow and can afford to pay. Prepaid is a total rip-off for all concerned. I should know, a cousin of mine participated in it. If you don't have a family lawyer, you know someone who does or at least knows a lawyer who they think well of.
I don't think they can either. That's why I said, "IBM is not going to lose either and SCO is going to find that the faster they prosecute this nonsenes the quicker they die." My point was that achieving their goals would not save them.
Of course they will. Will it save them? No. They can eliminate IBM, Red Hat and Susi but free software will remain. The contributions of such companies are considerable but far from required. Microsoft will run out of whores faster than the world will run out of free softare developers and users. IBM is not going to lose either and SCO is going to find that the faster they prosecute this nonsenes the quicker they die.. The demise of such whores only makes working with M$ that less atractive and free software that much better.
It's like watching your buddies in 1970 vintage Soviet tanks getting splattered because they were too afraid of Sadam to run away. You don't need to see much of that before you move onto the bigger better thing.
They know the right answers and then do the wrong thing anyway. I hope they don't expand their monoply into construction.
That's half right, but you get full credit.
Next!
If asked to move Mount Fuji relative to myself, I could just walk.
Double Pluss Good! You have simply convinced yourself that it moved. Fuji is Fuji but you are ours. Other correct answers involve name changes and crossing your eyes.
If you need to move by only a small amount relative to some other mountain, and movement is judged according to the centre of gravity, then moving one rock from the side of the mountain to the other side would shift the centre of gravity a little and so count as moving.
Again, you see clearly the Microsoft spirit, do nothing and say it is changed! Once you have decieved yourself, you can lie to others as well.
We love you! With that kind of thinking, you could pass five, fifteen or fifty M$ employees without earning a blackball. When can you start, bright man? We will ink a copy of our 500 page unilaterally changeable NDA's and employee contracts right away. Welcome to the world's smartest soon to be extinct company, where delusions of moving Fugi are matched only by visions of world conquest and neo-Darwinian madness.
Of course this is "not unheard of". The question this begs is if there is a person out there who does not know someone who's trashy M$ box has been abused in this manner. I know two people, my brother in law who likes music and a friend of my wife who is a competent NT sysadmin.
Your brother should rebuild the machine. It was owned and the owners could have installed anything they wanted on it, including services your "firewall" will not catch.
You should also caution your brother about running all sorts of services he does not need or use, such as remote desktop, or many of the other big bright blinking "rape me" services M$ puts on their boxes. The easiest way to do this is to not use windows. Look to Debian or Mandrake for reasonable setups.
My IT friend gave up windows for personal use a year ago. Someone put an ftp server on one of his NT machines. The server refused local connections, so that he could not see it from itself. The ftp directory was hidden, but he was able to see it when he looked hard enough. He was denied the ability to see within it, however. He could see the server from other machines, though he was not able to login. It should be rather obvious that he was not the owner of his own machine at that point. That was it for him.
The issue is thornier than that when you consider that Federal spending makes up more than 25% of the US Gross Domestic Product. It should be obvious what kind of tax burden we bear to support that kind of spending. If all Federal spending was directed by the political whims of individual agents, we might feel as if the fruits of our labors were being stripped from us to fund things we dissagree with. That is a state also known as slavery.
That said, it's hard to dissagree with the reasons Theo claims got the project canned. Saying silly things like, "I try to convince myself that our grant means a half of a cruise missile doesn't get built." in a public paper will get you canned from a military project. A statement like that is half a nothing away from advocating sabotage at plants building weapons. You might expect that military projects would require the loyalty or at least prohibit active resistance. You might also imagine the kind of problems this statement would have created for Theo's advocates inside the DARPA administration.
written launguage - 8,000 years old.
spoken word - as old as mankind.
gestures - part of the animal kingdom.
There you have it, computers by recognizing speach and gestures are bucking the communications trend. Who would have thunk that the silicone gods could not come up with a better way of interacting with our computers than a bunch of grunts and shifts?
Don't worry, you don't have to understand the concepts of corporate law and how it's supposed to shield you from personal liablility for actions of your company and thereby encourage business. All you have to know is what anyone who ever did anything practical for any company knows. It's the law of excutive incompetence which can be expressed this way:
You supervisor has forgoten many tricks of your trade in order to deal effectively with their own supervior. This applies, with diminishing competence, all the way up to the CEO who knows nothing except how to deal with shareholders who know nothing at all.
There you have it. Chances are Winblad had no idea of what Napster did further than:
1. It's something to do with music and kids love it.
2. ???
3. Profit.
He was also the largest share holder so the law applies to him twice!
The hardware is designed to hide the sniffing so that you don't have to bother with the warrent. This is evil because it requires no extra equipment or programing, it's just there part of the ordinary equipment. Other things leave a trail. This leaves you and your ISP in the dark. It's in the spirit of Carnivore, USA-Patriot and all that. It's not what I pay my taxes for and it's unAmerican as all hell.
I can't tell you how funny it is to look at those screen shots from 1993 while using Window Maker.
You will have a hard time convincing anyone that they should not be able to use the software they purchased under another OS. Monkeyshines like this from Microsoft are just another good reason to not make the purchase in the first place. I got my junky old win98 sitting in the corner and it is rarely used.