A REALLY big page, like 1MB of HTML, can lock it up. Time for a force-quit.
That's about what I'd expect, and why I put up the parent post. So what do you think it would do under MOL?
Funny how I got rated troll pointing out that it was possible to run that silly browser under linux, where phroggy got himself modded up to 5 singing MSIE praises. My favorite is this, "most of the app was rewritten from scratch by Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit in California." It's not really MS guys, I swear, it's a well behaved Mac app that Billy G has no influence over. He must have an army of bots for that kind of modding, and it gets in the way of real information. Well, I'm off to meta mod such stuff away.
Mozilla and Lynx work for me and I'm sticking to them! MOL is a cool project and a nice way to get at some old Mac software that proves that nothing has to be abandoned or lost within the free software model. Old DOS, you got it. Old Mac, sure thing. MSIE? Well no, but thanks!
As others have pointed out, the IDE and other goodies that Watcom were first rate at a time it was difficult to get good tools for DOS and windows. They made FORTRAN development much less painful and the code produced was fast. It was a nice place to start, and there are many useful pieces that can be folded into the GNU tools.
You can find the history of it here. Wow, reading that you realize how cool things are thanks to the FSF.
EI 5 loaded in 6 seconds, bbedit loaded in under 2 seconds. Microsoft Entourage loaded in 18 seconds and once it did load it consumed 40 - 50% of CPU time. Not sure what the deal is with that.
There it is! You now have MSIE 5 under linux. The mysterious hidden MS internet experience we all hear of (but no one can quite point to) can now be had under Linux. If it's like that dog for unix, it loads most of DOS with it. Linux to run Mac to run DOS, ahhhh! infinite regresion!
Sending people (even developers) out on the Internet in search of some library is the fastest way to make using Linux very irritating.
It you think that's frustrating, just try getting a USB device to work under NT. Or try making Outlook interoperate with anything custom and in house. Or try to maintian VB junk. Or, you get the picture. When you don't have source the problem has no solution.
You have exadurated Debian problems. I have yet to have any of the kind you refer to, and I've never run into a problem that could not be fixed.
GNORPM is pretty close to point and click. Web find still works great. Debian's dselect seems to work better, however.
It's only going to get better. The more the merrier! I'm looking forward to great patches contributed by "The Cat".
Taking down Microsoft after they have such a level of control and we have such a level of dependence would be like us dropping our cars and going back to horses and wagons -- not going to happen.
It more like the other way around, trading mules for automobiles. The limits closed source propriatory software place on modification and interoperability make M$ junk difficult to use and expire without offspring.
Everyday, I run into yet another roadblock trying to work with this trash. Today's massive pain is a scheduling program that is not reflected in people's calenders! GRRRR! Massive amounts of work are wasted as each and every member of this company has to manually update their calenders while work schedules change. In a free world, the programs would have been modified to talk to each other. Other pains of NT include drivers that MS refuses to port back, an crippled single screen GUI, inconsistent interface, and complete lack of privacy and security.
The damb is broken, and MS can't do a thing about it. They've had ten years to make things work and failed. Their greed has frustrated users, vendors and developers. Viable and free alternatives are available, it's only a matter of time before the tricle becomes a flood and MS is forced to compete.
You might mention that some people might think equipment and manpower to read private communications is a misuse of tax dollars. Simply put, I don't want to pay my government to spy on me.
A whole freaking kilo-watt per meter? Where did you get that from? I remember the 22W/m2 figure from an HVAC class, so it could be off a little, but not by several orders of magnitude. You might get that much in space, but here on earth a 10x10m roof would have to deal with a nice hot 10 megawatt load at that rate and this is clearly not the case.
Web ads use a public net for private profit. When some poor MSIE serf hits some advert bloated junk site, and is forced to look at all of it, the junk site annoys me too! All of that crap gets in the way of you and me getting to real content. That the profit may be small or not exist does not change the intent. The intent is to make the web resemble a push media and it's doomed to fail.
It may be argued that trees are a public resource as well, but most news print comes from recycled paper or stands that were planted for the purpose. It's hard to argue that trees privatly planted are a public resource.
This stupid stuff will never work. Blocking or otherwise anoying users will just reduce the number of users the publication has. No readers makes for no revenue. Publications that depend on advert revenue will have to adjust to the world as it is. The rest of us will have to find other ways of getting information if those publications fail.
In the future, wind and/or solar power could provide the greenhouse gas-free hydrogen generation alternative to make it a sound fuel source from an environmentalist standpoint.
Not true! Solar panels are currently nasty silicon things made with all sorts of toxins. That would be OK if they would last forever, but they are generally on the five year plan. Mirror/boiler schemes show more promise, but scraping togeter megawats from 22 watts per square meter is not easy and pilots worry they will be blinded flying over them! Do you want to get into the specifics of making and maintaining the millions of ugly little windmills that are needed to make windpower practical? Multiply your estimates to account for the fact that the wind generally blows when people don't need extra electricity. Do you really want to cut down trees to set up the farms? You did not mention biomass conversion as an indirect solar, but corn was made for eating! Cost = prohibitive on all of these options, so far about 10x the cost of normal generation.
The environmental future is in nuclear. No greenhouse and managable waste all nice and concentrated in a few very large plants. The infrastructure is in place for transmition, so no new scars are needed. The technology is well understood and the safety record is enviable.
This will be great for isolated cabins and hunting camps. If it can run off propane, many are already set up. Ah, quit electricty in the woods. Lots of folks at the Nuclear power plant I work at like the idea.
It's not a good idea for cities, apartment buildings and other small institutions. The smaller units, made by GE, do not yet provide electricity cheaper than can be bought right off the grid without any of the infrastructure and maintenance hastles you mention. If it works small scale, it's generally cheaper large scale and you should expect 500MW combined cycle cells compete with gas turbine setups of similar size. From a long term resource standpoint, however, burning petrol instead of making plasics is kind of like burning trees for heat instead of making furniture.
On the other hand (and this is a common myth where folks always bring up the Hindenburg) hydrogen isn't inherently any more dangerous then any other energy-rich fuel. Indeed it's probably slightly safer as it's lighter then air and so doesn't "pool" and become concentrated.
Hydrogen is a pain in the ass. It takes electricty or radiation to make, so it can only be used as an energy storage. In it's cryrogenic form, it's difficult to handle in reasonable quantities. Every single line has rupture disks in case the vacuum line insulation fails. Nature abhors a vacuum, and unrelieved pipe full of boiling liquid hydrogen is a pipe bomb. Despite your fond wishes of dipersal, large quantites of cryroginic hydrogen tend to FALL back to the ground untill it warms up. Warming up by ignition is a possibility that no one likes to think about. When you compare this to the ease of handeling gasoline, natural gas or even propane, you can see how much more expensive it is to deal with.
These days the cheapest and best solution is not always the one that wins out. Manufacturers would love being able to sell millions of these things as well as the service plans to keep them up.
First, it's not like people don't want control of their media. It's just that comercial vendors have been loath to offer a reasonable recorders for fear of the DCMA. They don't do it because it's a pain in the ass, but they would if given a chance.
Second, rewrite the above for books:
What do 99% of all book buyers do with books? They read them in at home. Then there's the 1% of people who put book CDs in their CD-ROM drives. Some of those people are actually reading them at work using their $2000 computer instead of a 50 cent paperback. Most of them, though, are ripping the files, especially from CDs that they borrowed from fellow office workers or dorm mates.
The bottom line is that publishers aren't doing anything that interferes with what books are designed for. The people who are complaining are, as is the norm for these kind of topics, cash-poor students who use ripping as a primary method of getting new books. You can try to bring up other exotic justifications ("criticism or quotations"), but they're too irrelevant to bring up. This cannot be considered any kind of breach of civil rights. Heck, if you want to record a friend's copy protected CD on to paper by hand, no one is stopping you.
Kind of different if you think about where it could go. Books that can never be shared, read only once and removed from circulation at will. Who needs a memory hole when you've got DMCA? Ah the wonders of thechnology. It all starts with rights no one cares about.
These record execs don't seem to understand emerging technology at all.
You just jarred my thoughts, thanks.
The record execs might understand the "emerging technology" of DVDs too well! They may remember that they made a hell of a lot of money when CDs took over from records and everyone eventually replaced their collection. Might they now wish to do it again by making CDs difficult to use? There is no technical reason to kill CDs, so they will make up a few! All it takes is a few random poluters like this to make the whole pile stink.
I think they allow you to download protected digital copies off their server, provided you have the CD
What in the world is a "protected" digital copy? Jacobs later talks about setting up some kind of monthly fee music service that will dispense wares "of lesser quality, like MP3 quality," as if MP3s were inherently inferior. Is access to poor quality junk his idea of fair use? Once I have that piece of junk, what's to keep me from making as many coppies as I feel like?
This is just more of the same BS from the people who once held a five company oligarchy over the publication of popular culture. It's over and all these efforts to turn back the clock are doomed to fail. I'm not going to buy it, and most people already don't. It's 2001, but the airwaves are filled with the same old music you grew up with or the radio station goes bankrupt. Why can't these clowns figure out that demand is low because their product sucks?
Calling it a Microsoft worm is really a distortion, and it's the kind of thing that can damage the credibility of the author.
Nope, sorry a tabbaco virus is a tobbaco virus because it destroys tobbaco crops. These worms are MS worms because they destroy MS boxes which then attempt to destroy everything. It's time the world knew about it.
You won't hear the popular press refering to "another MS worm", however. They would not risk losing their piece of the $1,000,000 advert budget MS has for XP. As you see, "professionals", and those writing formal papers are free to call the thing what it is and should. The popular press will get it sooner or later.
You and I should not censor our own speech for MS and their sloppy wares.
I am upset about archaic intellectual property laws and the level of corporate control over our society.
Me too! All of these Apple appology posts are just amazing. What this says is that you can't make your computer look like what YOU want it to. I don't want to look like Aqua, but Eric Yang does and did. His buddies might like that too, but Eric has been forbiden to share the results of his work by a company that is afraid it will loose revenue that way! BOGUS.
Let's take this priciple to it's logical extreem, shall we. Will it become forbiden to have "windows" with an X, a box, and a line on them? Will it become forbiden to make windows slied up into a bar with a title? Where does it end? With 75 year IP half lives, it might become imposible to make your computer look like anything because some squatter bought the IP and might loose revenue. "Look and feel" is not well defined.
If look and feel is all that Apple has got, it does not have much. If this is what they do with what they have, I hope the don't do anything cool in the future.
"Computer attacks and hate speech do not contribute in any constructive way to dealing with the many problems our global civilization faces," said WorldCom senior vice president Vinton Cerf, who is scheduled to appear in the televised announcement.
Translation, "Script kiddies and trolls put down your keyboards." Not a bad thing to ask, and the appeal to patriotism is nice too. The message is consistent with others, such as making DOS attacks and cracks a terrorist offense with a real death penalty. "Doodz, you got the death penalty?", not to funny anymore and much less nice.
You don't really think the US government wants to hire out 10,000 script kiddies do you? What, with every CS teacher, National Lab researcher and defense contractor willing to jump right in the US has no shortage of computer operators. OK, they might use one or two. Warrez operators please report to the office of cracker mobilization right next door to the Imigration and Nationalization Free Refridgerator Service Office for Illegal Aliens.
Give it up, bitches! Turn off your crack bots and behave. Carry out useful and constructive protests instead. In the end, survival is cultural victory, so build up rather than tear down.
Universal CDs will now fall to 4.99 as they have less value. Other makers will continue to rape the gullible $20 a pop for a technically superior product. Universal will have to conclude that everyone is copying their music alone, hence the low demand at the stores.
Will the inevitable methods to transfer these CD's be labled a DCMA violation?
Better the devil you know than the one you don't, eh? I supose life could be worse, but I'd prefer to people did not do these kinds of things at all.
No big deal really. We know how this story ends, with a mark on the head and hand without wich you may buy or sell. Kind of silly to think of paperless currency and universal ID's isn't it? Bill Gates is not the Beast, as the only language he ever mastered besides English was Basic.
I'm already spending12 hours on the road on top of just living my life, what free time I have is at a premium and searching / downloading / burning radio programs every week is just too much to ask. However paying for a device and service that offered what I want would be worth it for me if it worked.
Problem: no time, no life. Music comes from living. With time at such a premium, I have to question your sanity for posting to Slashdot, but that's another issue.
Being from New Orleans, it's hard for me to even imagine a life like that. All sorts of music ozzes from the cracks, and it does not take much effort to collect and manage. Go out, hear a band, like it, buy a CD, copy and MP3 em. My wife and I also like to collect music on vacations and that's part of our selection criteria. If you don't get out enough to persue the things you love, your life is out of balance.
ABCDE makes the achive task much easier. From there, custom CDs with enough music for your six hour drive are about 1 hour away with most of the time in deciding what you want. To save time and amuse yourself, try random mixes.
Putting your life in balance will give you a new perspective on NPR as well. Get out while you still can!
1: Hire studio rats to program the synth-pop music she sings over.
2: Hire a producer and recording engineer team able to make a child singer sound "sexy"
3: Produce expensive videos that wave Ms. Spears's two most obvious selling points in front of the camera.
4: Get it played on the radio (in this case, her records come from Disney, who is a top-5 player in almost every radio market)
1 and 2 get union wages today, and will get union wages tomorow no matter who pays them for their services.
3 and 4 are leaches and only make a living due to the disgusting control of music production, distribution, and broadcast the RIAA has. Barf. I got sick of buying my culture from those losers, so I stoped doing it.
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That's about what I'd expect, and why I put up the parent post. So what do you think it would do under MOL?
Funny how I got rated troll pointing out that it was possible to run that silly browser under linux, where phroggy got himself modded up to 5 singing MSIE praises. My favorite is this, "most of the app was rewritten from scratch by Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit in California." It's not really MS guys, I swear, it's a well behaved Mac app that Billy G has no influence over. He must have an army of bots for that kind of modding, and it gets in the way of real information. Well, I'm off to meta mod such stuff away.
Mozilla and Lynx work for me and I'm sticking to them! MOL is a cool project and a nice way to get at some old Mac software that proves that nothing has to be abandoned or lost within the free software model. Old DOS, you got it. Old Mac, sure thing. MSIE? Well no, but thanks!
You can find the history of it here. Wow, reading that you realize how cool things are thanks to the FSF.
There it is! You now have MSIE 5 under linux. The mysterious hidden MS internet experience we all hear of (but no one can quite point to) can now be had under Linux. If it's like that dog for unix, it loads most of DOS with it. Linux to run Mac to run DOS, ahhhh! infinite regresion!
It you think that's frustrating, just try getting a USB device to work under NT. Or try making Outlook interoperate with anything custom and in house. Or try to maintian VB junk. Or, you get the picture. When you don't have source the problem has no solution.
You have exadurated Debian problems. I have yet to have any of the kind you refer to, and I've never run into a problem that could not be fixed.
GNORPM is pretty close to point and click. Web find still works great. Debian's dselect seems to work better, however.
It's only going to get better. The more the merrier! I'm looking forward to great patches contributed by "The Cat".
It more like the other way around, trading mules for automobiles. The limits closed source propriatory software place on modification and interoperability make M$ junk difficult to use and expire without offspring.
Everyday, I run into yet another roadblock trying to work with this trash. Today's massive pain is a scheduling program that is not reflected in people's calenders! GRRRR! Massive amounts of work are wasted as each and every member of this company has to manually update their calenders while work schedules change. In a free world, the programs would have been modified to talk to each other. Other pains of NT include drivers that MS refuses to port back, an crippled single screen GUI, inconsistent interface, and complete lack of privacy and security.
The damb is broken, and MS can't do a thing about it. They've had ten years to make things work and failed. Their greed has frustrated users, vendors and developers. Viable and free alternatives are available, it's only a matter of time before the tricle becomes a flood and MS is forced to compete.
You might mention that some people might think equipment and manpower to read private communications is a misuse of tax dollars. Simply put, I don't want to pay my government to spy on me.
I hate that #### port block!
If everything becomes AOL, who will you buy your access from?
A whole freaking kilo-watt per meter? Where did you get that from? I remember the 22W/m2 figure from an HVAC class, so it could be off a little, but not by several orders of magnitude. You might get that much in space, but here on earth a 10x10m roof would have to deal with a nice hot 10 megawatt load at that rate and this is clearly not the case.
It may be argued that trees are a public resource as well, but most news print comes from recycled paper or stands that were planted for the purpose. It's hard to argue that trees privatly planted are a public resource.
This stupid stuff will never work. Blocking or otherwise anoying users will just reduce the number of users the publication has. No readers makes for no revenue. Publications that depend on advert revenue will have to adjust to the world as it is. The rest of us will have to find other ways of getting information if those publications fail.
Not true! Solar panels are currently nasty silicon things made with all sorts of toxins. That would be OK if they would last forever, but they are generally on the five year plan. Mirror/boiler schemes show more promise, but scraping togeter megawats from 22 watts per square meter is not easy and pilots worry they will be blinded flying over them! Do you want to get into the specifics of making and maintaining the millions of ugly little windmills that are needed to make windpower practical? Multiply your estimates to account for the fact that the wind generally blows when people don't need extra electricity. Do you really want to cut down trees to set up the farms? You did not mention biomass conversion as an indirect solar, but corn was made for eating! Cost = prohibitive on all of these options, so far about 10x the cost of normal generation.
The environmental future is in nuclear. No greenhouse and managable waste all nice and concentrated in a few very large plants. The infrastructure is in place for transmition, so no new scars are needed. The technology is well understood and the safety record is enviable.
It's not a good idea for cities, apartment buildings and other small institutions. The smaller units, made by GE, do not yet provide electricity cheaper than can be bought right off the grid without any of the infrastructure and maintenance hastles you mention. If it works small scale, it's generally cheaper large scale and you should expect 500MW combined cycle cells compete with gas turbine setups of similar size. From a long term resource standpoint, however, burning petrol instead of making plasics is kind of like burning trees for heat instead of making furniture.
On the other hand (and this is a common myth where folks always bring up the Hindenburg) hydrogen isn't inherently any more dangerous then any other energy-rich fuel. Indeed it's probably slightly safer as it's lighter then air and so doesn't "pool" and become concentrated.
Hydrogen is a pain in the ass. It takes electricty or radiation to make, so it can only be used as an energy storage. In it's cryrogenic form, it's difficult to handle in reasonable quantities. Every single line has rupture disks in case the vacuum line insulation fails. Nature abhors a vacuum, and unrelieved pipe full of boiling liquid hydrogen is a pipe bomb. Despite your fond wishes of dipersal, large quantites of cryroginic hydrogen tend to FALL back to the ground untill it warms up. Warming up by ignition is a possibility that no one likes to think about. When you compare this to the ease of handeling gasoline, natural gas or even propane, you can see how much more expensive it is to deal with.
These days the cheapest and best solution is not always the one that wins out. Manufacturers would love being able to sell millions of these things as well as the service plans to keep them up.
it's hard to think of that many zeros, thanks for pointing it out =:>
Second, rewrite the above for books:
What do 99% of all book buyers do with books? They read them in at home. Then there's the 1% of people who put book CDs in their CD-ROM drives. Some of those people are actually reading them at work using their $2000 computer instead of a 50 cent paperback. Most of them, though, are ripping the files, especially from CDs that they borrowed from fellow office workers or dorm mates.
The bottom line is that publishers aren't doing anything that interferes with what books are designed for. The people who are complaining are, as is the norm for these kind of topics, cash-poor students who use ripping as a primary method of getting new books. You can try to bring up other exotic justifications ("criticism or quotations"), but they're too irrelevant to bring up. This cannot be considered any kind of breach of civil rights. Heck, if you want to record a friend's copy protected CD on to paper by hand, no one is stopping you.
Kind of different if you think about where it could go. Books that can never be shared, read only once and removed from circulation at will. Who needs a memory hole when you've got DMCA? Ah the wonders of thechnology. It all starts with rights no one cares about.
You just jarred my thoughts, thanks.
The record execs might understand the "emerging technology" of DVDs too well! They may remember that they made a hell of a lot of money when CDs took over from records and everyone eventually replaced their collection. Might they now wish to do it again by making CDs difficult to use? There is no technical reason to kill CDs, so they will make up a few! All it takes is a few random poluters like this to make the whole pile stink.
What in the world is a "protected" digital copy? Jacobs later talks about setting up some kind of monthly fee music service that will dispense wares "of lesser quality, like MP3 quality," as if MP3s were inherently inferior. Is access to poor quality junk his idea of fair use? Once I have that piece of junk, what's to keep me from making as many coppies as I feel like?
This is just more of the same BS from the people who once held a five company oligarchy over the publication of popular culture. It's over and all these efforts to turn back the clock are doomed to fail. I'm not going to buy it, and most people already don't. It's 2001, but the airwaves are filled with the same old music you grew up with or the radio station goes bankrupt. Why can't these clowns figure out that demand is low because their product sucks?
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act prohibits users from circumventing copy protection. It's now a crime in America to do that.
There you have it. Fair use is now illegal.
Nope, sorry a tabbaco virus is a tobbaco virus because it destroys tobbaco crops. These worms are MS worms because they destroy MS boxes which then attempt to destroy everything. It's time the world knew about it.
You won't hear the popular press refering to "another MS worm", however. They would not risk losing their piece of the $1,000,000 advert budget MS has for XP. As you see, "professionals", and those writing formal papers are free to call the thing what it is and should. The popular press will get it sooner or later.
You and I should not censor our own speech for MS and their sloppy wares.
Me too! All of these Apple appology posts are just amazing. What this says is that you can't make your computer look like what YOU want it to. I don't want to look like Aqua, but Eric Yang does and did. His buddies might like that too, but Eric has been forbiden to share the results of his work by a company that is afraid it will loose revenue that way! BOGUS.
Let's take this priciple to it's logical extreem, shall we. Will it become forbiden to have "windows" with an X, a box, and a line on them? Will it become forbiden to make windows slied up into a bar with a title? Where does it end? With 75 year IP half lives, it might become imposible to make your computer look like anything because some squatter bought the IP and might loose revenue. "Look and feel" is not well defined.
If look and feel is all that Apple has got, it does not have much. If this is what they do with what they have, I hope the don't do anything cool in the future.
Bad Apple, bad! Fix this now.
apt-get transfer does nothing for me.
Translation, "Script kiddies and trolls put down your keyboards." Not a bad thing to ask, and the appeal to patriotism is nice too. The message is consistent with others, such as making DOS attacks and cracks a terrorist offense with a real death penalty. "Doodz, you got the death penalty?", not to funny anymore and much less nice.
You don't really think the US government wants to hire out 10,000 script kiddies do you? What, with every CS teacher, National Lab researcher and defense contractor willing to jump right in the US has no shortage of computer operators. OK, they might use one or two. Warrez operators please report to the office of cracker mobilization right next door to the Imigration and Nationalization Free Refridgerator Service Office for Illegal Aliens.
Give it up, bitches! Turn off your crack bots and behave. Carry out useful and constructive protests instead. In the end, survival is cultural victory, so build up rather than tear down.
Will the inevitable methods to transfer these CD's be labled a DCMA violation?
No big deal really. We know how this story ends, with a mark on the head and hand without wich you may buy or sell. Kind of silly to think of paperless currency and universal ID's isn't it? Bill Gates is not the Beast, as the only language he ever mastered besides English was Basic.
Problem: no time, no life. Music comes from living. With time at such a premium, I have to question your sanity for posting to Slashdot, but that's another issue.
Being from New Orleans, it's hard for me to even imagine a life like that. All sorts of music ozzes from the cracks, and it does not take much effort to collect and manage. Go out, hear a band, like it, buy a CD, copy and MP3 em. My wife and I also like to collect music on vacations and that's part of our selection criteria. If you don't get out enough to persue the things you love, your life is out of balance.
ABCDE makes the achive task much easier. From there, custom CDs with enough music for your six hour drive are about 1 hour away with most of the time in deciding what you want. To save time and amuse yourself, try random mixes.
Putting your life in balance will give you a new perspective on NPR as well. Get out while you still can!
2: Hire a producer and recording engineer team able to make a child singer sound "sexy"
3: Produce expensive videos that wave Ms. Spears's two most obvious selling points in front of the camera.
4: Get it played on the radio (in this case, her records come from Disney, who is a top-5 player in almost every radio market)
1 and 2 get union wages today, and will get union wages tomorow no matter who pays them for their services.
3 and 4 are leaches and only make a living due to the disgusting control of music production, distribution, and broadcast the RIAA has. Barf. I got sick of buying my culture from those losers, so I stoped doing it.