As someone else already pointed out, you can sell GPL'd code. The only conditions are that you make your source code available at media cost by mail. You are free to sell binaries to anyone who would buy them and you are free to sell manuals and consult. Red Hat sold me a $30 CD with instruction manuals the other day. That CD was full of compiled GPL code. Red Hat must, and does, make their and other people's source code available.
The GPL is not set up to keep people from making money. As you said, it's set up to keep people from expoiting your code. More importantly, it's set up to keep others from violating your freedoms. Sure, it might not be as lucrative as a Bill Gates nightmare world but manuals, service, training and consulting might be more profitable for everyone else than selling MS compatible binaries. The GPL is your friend.
Speed limits are the tip of the iceberg. Most people have the good sense to not really speed so this will be less of a nuisence than is sounds like.
The real money is in toll roads. With good enough GPS, any road can be a toll road. Drive here and be a patron of the local DOT. The Transportation magazines are full of this kind of thing, and local governments are drooling at the prospects. It would both raise revenues and lower costs by pushing them onto everyone. It's on the way!
Like the identification papers in your back pocket (invasive!) and break tags, GPS recievers can be made a condition of road usage.
Try using GPS to make any road a toll road. Government can dispense with the costs of EZPass by putting the cost into every car and the GPS network. It might cost more, but hey! revenue can go up accordingly.
US Unions got started in:
A. Coal Mines, Steel Mills and other heavy industries.
B. Truck shops.
C. Garment Factories
Answer: C. Union frindly laws were promoted by feminists, maxists and other clueless loosers in New York city after a garment fire killed 100 or so hapless young women. The laws were a result of hyseria, not reason. Before this the unions could not survive even in the "harshest" of conditions because PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS ARE NOT EVIL, management included. FDR finished the transformation of the US workplace by making New York laws, bassed on the worst possible industry practicies, national. These laws have served the very worst in society and promoted negative behavior since.
It has taken 60 years to climb out of that insanity and some industies will never recover. Just look at US automobile and tire companies.
Someone I know watched his shipyard go Union. It is now more dangerous, lower paying, and oppresive to work in. The Federal government and due processes were abused to get it done. Bleh! Unions are mostly evil.
Laughing about MS security is hardly a knee jerk reaction, and it's not a very good laugh. Windows stuff is driven by marketing goals rather than real design rules. The goal is that the customer will pay for each copy of each application to perform each seperate task every two years. A newer an more insidious goal is direct marketing. The result has been intentionally inflicted waste and security problems. The security problems escape the notice of beta testers like you and are ignored or hidden long after exploitation and publication. The "attacks" you refer to are generally statements of fact, sighs of disbelief and expressions of outrage as networks are clogged by MS bassed bots, viruses, worms and adverts.
We feel for the users and hope and pray for more responsibility from Microsoft. The help they are recieving from the NSA points out the many inadequacies of MS OS design. Many others have pointed out these problems, and indeed MS is slowly responding. The damage done in the mean time should be charged right back to them.
Yes, windows sucks. I have to use it here at work. I'm not laughing.
(just look at the adverts at the top of this page for instance)
What adverts? I surf with images turned off so the stupid things don't distract me. This is the way things should work.
Isn't technology supposed to conform to MY wishes? I don't want to see any of those things. I prefer to have my thoughts guided by less interested parties, you know, people who don't want a few dollars from me, friends, family.
If adverts are the only way to fund TV, I don't want TV. Simple, eh? There are other ways to get your entertainment and news. Those who want to make a living by entertaining and informing you will find a way to do so.
OK, there can be a use for something like this, so long as it can be hijacked. It would be nice if a companywide database of links and references could be kept on a server. Definitions, policies and all that kind of stuff could be kept track of there. Automatically inserting those links into ALL company documents would be helpful and lead to much less double work. Needless to say, this would be worthless if all definitions pointed to Warner Brothers or some other WRONG site. I doubt MS has the capability left to do anything useful these days, so it will be the nightmare people are making it out to be. It's going to be a killer corporate app. Companies all around the world are going to dump MS over this kind of stuff.
The quicker MS shoots itself in the foot, the quicker my MS waking nighmare will end. GO MS!
When Walker approaches touchdown, a flatbed truck will have driven up underneath him to shuttle him over to a ring of bleachers, where... "12 Hooters girls run up and pour champagne" all over him.
It's going to take more than 12 bottles of champagne to put him out.
The world is too large to defeat stealth. If you have to scatter these little thingies all over, you will soon go bankrupt buying and looking after them. Hell, you don't have to use radar at all, you could have listening stations that analyze sounds in the night and phone home. Stealth will continue to work as it has in the past, and everyone is going to have to expend their resources to counter it.
It took me 45 minutes for win2k to tell me it had corrupted my hard drive! The stupid thing did to checkdisks each attempt, reporting no errors after fifteen minutes of spinning to "verify drive integrity". Then, on attempted format, it reports disk corruption and failure. Barf! It took me 45 minutes to go through the different file system permutations and make sure I was not missing something before I gave up. Machine was 450Mhz k6-2 with 8x CD.
The 98 install was worse. It took about 4 hours or so of rebooting and spoon feeding driver disks (4 of them each begging for the 98 disk!) and click through EULA's before finishing with a useless, featureless, generic MS box that my wife wanted. Barf! Barf! Barf! I had forgotten how bad all of that commercial crap was and I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN!
I'd like something like this. I think it actually gets the web closer to what it was originally envisioned as - a way of linking information together. This feature would allow you to get related information that is (1) current, (2) relevent, and (3) not necessarily a reflection of the author's opinions.
Free, and with no monthly fees ever! MS eye glasses project MS generated adverts^H^H^H^H^H^H news and information links directly onto your world. Just imagine MS interpreting everything you see for you! Wow! Kinda like terminator vision, just as evil, not as smart.
I can see it telling me these helpful things, "That cute girl is belong to Bill Gates, hands off, he's going to petrify her." "That is the new MS VW available exclusively at HighestBidder." "You need to buy and eat that fat and surgar food substitute."
This will be much closer to the way the world should be.
just like today, you might have a choice of when you want to start
watching a movie (except you'll have a greater flexibility in choosing the start time), but just like today there
will be days when all that's available to watch is "Battlefield Earth" if they so choose to do that. (That's a
great scheme, to play one movie all day on a PPV channel no matter how bad it is) That's obviously a bit
extreme of a scenario, but I assure you their intentions are not much different from that.
Extreem? Oh, you mean like radio stations only play top 40 songs from the last 40 years as if there were only 160 songs written, recorded and worth broadcasting? I see.
The really sad part is that the average Joe on the street has already become dissillusioned about the internet. People are actually turning AWAY from the internet at this point. Do you know how many 30 and 40-somethings I know that have "tried" the Internet and found it stupid? To them, the internet is AOL or MSN. Just more chances to have their eyeballs spammed with ads and do a little shopping- in other words, just like the rest of our capitalist world except less convenient to use (compared with TV or opening up a magazine). In their eyes... the internet is absolutely nothing special... basically just TV, with hyperlinks, and added technical annoyances.... They don't know or care about the rest of the internet, the real communities of people and the intellectual potential out there...
True, and they have no idea what they are loosing. Look at the Yahoo or MSN TOS for instance. Broadband good you think? AtHome is really bad. Check out their idea of the www and the internet here and here. It should be obvious that these companies want to make the web into a push media they can control.
Joe sixpack don't care and might just vote his perception into reality. He's too lazy or dull to care about what you write or publish anything himself. He wants his MTV(TM). He does not know what the DCMA is. He might be convinced that you are a terrorist, but a harmless wimpy one.
This 35 year old is getting disallusioned. There were only three TV broadcasters for 40 years, despite dozens of channels worth of bandwith set asside. Printing presses were government controled for hundreds of years. Do you think the web will remain free if no one cares?
@home thinks of cable modem like cable TV, graze all the adverts you want kiddies. No servers, random IP, but totally clueless, arogent and dishonest service reps. I was once told, while asking for DNS that works, that by surrendering my box's static IP I would get better DNS. Right! Back to leaching off the local university DNS.
DSL companies sell more equal footing. Mine, Telocity, provides static IP with few restrictions (I think they have some kind of upload limit per month). It's not perfect, but it's much much better. If Bell South does not screw them and they can keep their lines open as well or better than the cable folks, the cable folks can kiss me goodbye!
This is an NT shop. Everyday, people curse and scream at their computers. What a terrible racket. All the fabric of our cubes, rugs and sound absorbing ceiling tiles just don't mask NT noise.
That's EULA crap, and if you want to have an EULA, you should not be using the GPL.
Bull. The GPL is one of the few liscences I'd consider if I ever wanted to share my code. If I were to release without any liscence some creep could scoop up anything of value and lock me and everyone else out. A BSD style liscence could also give me problems like that. The GPL protects my right to share that information in word and deed. As this case demonstrates, the FSF has lawyers.
I'm not sure what you mean by owning all future compatible products. Clearly, someone who wanted to use my work and share it could. Just as clearly, they could make work alikes that I could do nothing about.
As for Windows programing I don't do that anymore if I can avoid it. MS does not have to claim outright ownership of my code. They are free to break it whenever they please and I'm not going to waste my time keeping up with them. Free and beter alternatives are available.
It's important that the wishes of the orignial programer are respected. It is right that he recieve credit for his work and that his work is made available. The SloMedia slobs attempted to conceal all of his work as well as their own shoddy hacks. They modified it slightly, wrapped it up and pretended it was their own work.
Plagerism is bad enough, but they are selling his work as well. Others have done the same thing in the past and then used their ill gotten gains to squash the freedoms of the orignal programer with restrictive liscencing and what not. He didn't write his program so SloMedia could enrich themselves by inflicting click through liscences and no copy binary BS on people.
This clearly violates the terms of use for the software. I imagine, from reading the author's site, that he wants either his work to be built on by outside contributors or for money in exchange for the privalige of a closed souce distribution liscence, your standard GPL intent. If software copyright, liscences and IP have any meaning at all, his wishes must be respected just like anyone else's.
This blatently infringes on my conceptual patent to seperate audio and video signals. Yes, I am the man who first thought of using seperate autio and video wires behind the VCR! I also thought of using more than one VCR at a time to record more than one program and a patch cable system so that the signals could be crossed or mixed to any degree desirable. Way, way back when I also thought of a clever scheme to encode video signals by amplitude modulation and audio signals by frequency modulation so that they could be sent over the same carrier frequency. Before that, I thought of different devices to capture real time audio and visual events. Before that, people just had to get together or talk over the phone. Them fancy bit-heads think they thought of everything!
I'm not sure what TiVo is going to do with this egrevious patent, but I know what I'm going to do with mine.
Other people here have pointed lots of differences out, but I'll make a concrete example.
Your code does something like this:
main()
{my_get_info()
my_code_do_this(info)
my_code_do_that(info)
if (desired) call gzip(info)}
Their code looks more this:
main()
{call restrictive_liscence_scare_consumer()
call cheesy_advert_flash_screen()
call renamed_GPLed_code()
call another_renamed_GPLed_code()
call GPLed_code()}
Your work does something. Theirs is clearly derivative, if not just hijacked, or dare I say "pirated" as most comercial software vendors would? There's a big difference between using a utility like to do something for your program and what they did, which is to rewrap virtua dub so they could sell it.
Replacing the MBR is one aspect of this. This is not something to worry about unless MS pulls the embrace and extend crap, but I doubt they'd stoop to it on such a low-level aspect.
How low can you go? The very name of the standard, "Extensible...", makes the hair on my neck stand up. You can put all your fears into this one.
BIOS extentions break stuff. I've got an Athalon board with virus protection built right in. The stupid thing recognizes LILO as a boot sector virus. I can turn it off, and I'd return it if I could not. The motherboard drivers that came with a couple of computers I've built give me the shudders.
There are two reasons I could care less about this one, however. The first is that there will be work arounds for any software I care about far sooner than for MS BS. The second reason is that I will never ever install MS BS on another computer I own.
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The GPL is not set up to keep people from making money. As you said, it's set up to keep people from expoiting your code. More importantly, it's set up to keep others from violating your freedoms. Sure, it might not be as lucrative as a Bill Gates nightmare world but manuals, service, training and consulting might be more profitable for everyone else than selling MS compatible binaries. The GPL is your friend.
The real money is in toll roads. With good enough GPS, any road can be a toll road. Drive here and be a patron of the local DOT. The Transportation magazines are full of this kind of thing, and local governments are drooling at the prospects. It would both raise revenues and lower costs by pushing them onto everyone. It's on the way!
Like the identification papers in your back pocket (invasive!) and break tags, GPS recievers can be made a condition of road usage.
Fight this if you can.
US Unions got started in:
A. Coal Mines, Steel Mills and other heavy industries.
B. Truck shops.
C. Garment Factories
Answer: C. Union frindly laws were promoted by feminists, maxists and other clueless loosers in New York city after a garment fire killed 100 or so hapless young women. The laws were a result of hyseria, not reason. Before this the unions could not survive even in the "harshest" of conditions because PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS ARE NOT EVIL, management included. FDR finished the transformation of the US workplace by making New York laws, bassed on the worst possible industry practicies, national. These laws have served the very worst in society and promoted negative behavior since.
It has taken 60 years to climb out of that insanity and some industies will never recover. Just look at US automobile and tire companies.
Someone I know watched his shipyard go Union. It is now more dangerous, lower paying, and oppresive to work in. The Federal government and due processes were abused to get it done. Bleh! Unions are mostly evil.
Laughing about MS security is hardly a knee jerk reaction, and it's not a very good laugh. Windows stuff is driven by marketing goals rather than real design rules. The goal is that the customer will pay for each copy of each application to perform each seperate task every two years. A newer an more insidious goal is direct marketing. The result has been intentionally inflicted waste and security problems. The security problems escape the notice of beta testers like you and are ignored or hidden long after exploitation and publication. The "attacks" you refer to are generally statements of fact, sighs of disbelief and expressions of outrage as networks are clogged by MS bassed bots, viruses, worms and adverts.
We feel for the users and hope and pray for more responsibility from Microsoft. The help they are recieving from the NSA points out the many inadequacies of MS OS design. Many others have pointed out these problems, and indeed MS is slowly responding. The damage done in the mean time should be charged right back to them.
Yes, windows sucks. I have to use it here at work. I'm not laughing.
Wowser! I'll bet those tapes, unlike NPR archive tapes, still contain data. Unysis must have some patent on metal tapes or sumthin.
What adverts? I surf with images turned off so the stupid things don't distract me. This is the way things should work.
Isn't technology supposed to conform to MY wishes? I don't want to see any of those things. I prefer to have my thoughts guided by less interested parties, you know, people who don't want a few dollars from me, friends, family.
If adverts are the only way to fund TV, I don't want TV. Simple, eh? There are other ways to get your entertainment and news. Those who want to make a living by entertaining and informing you will find a way to do so.
The quicker MS shoots itself in the foot, the quicker my MS waking nighmare will end. GO MS!
Keep your hands off my cojones!
It's going to take more than 12 bottles of champagne to put him out.
I don't blame the CD either. The drive used was my best little HP and the CD was the genuine junk complete with 3d picutres.
Hmmm, that's an idea. I've had NO other problems though, and I'd expect flakey memory to give both 98 and Red Hat 7.1 fits. Thanks for the tip.
The world is too large to defeat stealth. If you have to scatter these little thingies all over, you will soon go bankrupt buying and looking after them. Hell, you don't have to use radar at all, you could have listening stations that analyze sounds in the night and phone home. Stealth will continue to work as it has in the past, and everyone is going to have to expend their resources to counter it.
Oh yeah, heh-heh, it just feels like 16. Anyplace is paradise when I'm with you.
The 98 install was worse. It took about 4 hours or so of rebooting and spoon feeding driver disks (4 of them each begging for the 98 disk!) and click through EULA's before finishing with a useless, featureless, generic MS box that my wife wanted. Barf! Barf! Barf! I had forgotten how bad all of that commercial crap was and I WILL NEVER DO IT AGAIN!
Free, and with no monthly fees ever! MS eye glasses project MS generated adverts^H^H^H^H^H^H news and information links directly onto your world. Just imagine MS interpreting everything you see for you! Wow! Kinda like terminator vision, just as evil, not as smart.
I can see it telling me these helpful things, "That cute girl is belong to Bill Gates, hands off, he's going to petrify her." "That is the new MS VW available exclusively at HighestBidder." "You need to buy and eat that fat and surgar food substitute."
This will be much closer to the way the world should be.
Extreem? Oh, you mean like radio stations only play top 40 songs from the last 40 years as if there were only 160 songs written, recorded and worth broadcasting? I see.
True, and they have no idea what they are loosing. Look at the Yahoo or MSN TOS for instance. Broadband good you think? AtHome is really bad. Check out their idea of the www and the internet here and here. It should be obvious that these companies want to make the web into a push media they can control.
Joe sixpack don't care and might just vote his perception into reality. He's too lazy or dull to care about what you write or publish anything himself. He wants his MTV(TM). He does not know what the DCMA is. He might be convinced that you are a terrorist, but a harmless wimpy one.
This 35 year old is getting disallusioned. There were only three TV broadcasters for 40 years, despite dozens of channels worth of bandwith set asside. Printing presses were government controled for hundreds of years. Do you think the web will remain free if no one cares?
DSL companies sell more equal footing. Mine, Telocity, provides static IP with few restrictions (I think they have some kind of upload limit per month). It's not perfect, but it's much much better. If Bell South does not screw them and they can keep their lines open as well or better than the cable folks, the cable folks can kiss me goodbye!
This is an NT shop. Everyday, people curse and scream at their computers. What a terrible racket. All the fabric of our cubes, rugs and sound absorbing ceiling tiles just don't mask NT noise.
Bull. The GPL is one of the few liscences I'd consider if I ever wanted to share my code. If I were to release without any liscence some creep could scoop up anything of value and lock me and everyone else out. A BSD style liscence could also give me problems like that. The GPL protects my right to share that information in word and deed. As this case demonstrates, the FSF has lawyers.
I'm not sure what you mean by owning all future compatible products. Clearly, someone who wanted to use my work and share it could. Just as clearly, they could make work alikes that I could do nothing about.
As for Windows programing I don't do that anymore if I can avoid it. MS does not have to claim outright ownership of my code. They are free to break it whenever they please and I'm not going to waste my time keeping up with them. Free and beter alternatives are available.
Plagerism is bad enough, but they are selling his work as well. Others have done the same thing in the past and then used their ill gotten gains to squash the freedoms of the orignal programer with restrictive liscencing and what not. He didn't write his program so SloMedia could enrich themselves by inflicting click through liscences and no copy binary BS on people.
This clearly violates the terms of use for the software. I imagine, from reading the author's site, that he wants either his work to be built on by outside contributors or for money in exchange for the privalige of a closed souce distribution liscence, your standard GPL intent. If software copyright, liscences and IP have any meaning at all, his wishes must be respected just like anyone else's.
I'm not sure what TiVo is going to do with this egrevious patent, but I know what I'm going to do with mine.
Your code does something like this:
main()
{my_get_info()
my_code_do_this(info)
my_code_do_that(info)
if (desired) call gzip(info)}
Their code looks more this:
main()
{call restrictive_liscence_scare_consumer()
call cheesy_advert_flash_screen()
call renamed_GPLed_code()
call another_renamed_GPLed_code()
call GPLed_code()}
Your work does something. Theirs is clearly derivative, if not just hijacked, or dare I say "pirated" as most comercial software vendors would? There's a big difference between using a utility like to do something for your program and what they did, which is to rewrap virtua dub so they could sell it.
Rotten tomatoes on you SloMedia!
How low can you go? The very name of the standard, "Extensible...", makes the hair on my neck stand up. You can put all your fears into this one.
BIOS extentions break stuff. I've got an Athalon board with virus protection built right in. The stupid thing recognizes LILO as a boot sector virus. I can turn it off, and I'd return it if I could not. The motherboard drivers that came with a couple of computers I've built give me the shudders.
There are two reasons I could care less about this one, however. The first is that there will be work arounds for any software I care about far sooner than for MS BS. The second reason is that I will never ever install MS BS on another computer I own.