What is the deal with the new tree system since the theme change? I constantly have issues with deeply nested comments that I click on a reply to a comment I'm reading and end up viewing a completely unrelated comment. I just don't think this is a successful "upgrade" to the discussion system. I end up having to click on the post numbers and navigating that way, which is annoying!
And again you completely ignore the fact that QA is important for a distro to be useful. When I emerge world, with a stock unstable system on i686 and no overlays, I shouldn't HAVE to use my browser to fix the fact that the package manager managed to break the tool it uses to get source code. This is first grade basic shit here. After those kind of fuck ups, how can I trust the maintainers to get anything basic right? Why would I want to use their kernel sources?
Ubuntu is by no means perfect. Every now and again something small borks (usually when I don't have something config'd quite the Ubuntu way, but everything SHOULD be bulletproof in my world). However, my system has never been unbootable, every now and again it won't get into a 3d accel'd gnome, but for whatever reason, the restricted drivers manager just won't see my nvidia card, so I have to manage that myself. For more fun and games, Envy won't install the driver correctly on hardy (why oh why?)
Anyhow, a distro needs to get past BASIC mistakes before it can be taken seriously. UbuntuDupe chased Ubuntu around for 2 years because an install borked. Installing is honestly (in an automated fashion) a more difficult proposition than making updates not completely bork your system.
"PPS: Somebody please mod up that AC below me who made the 'if it compiles, it runs' comment. He's dead-on: that is the single most important reason I left binary distros. After an install, there is NO guarantee that your system will work. In a source-based distro, if the build/link/install completes successfully its almost certain that at least you'll be able to get back into your system the next time you reboot, because in the act of compiling and successfully linking an app, your system has effectively verified that the app has no missing library dependencies."
That is completely bogus. What about segfaults. What about race conditions. There are an infinite number of bad things that can lock your box that compiling from source doesn't fix. This is what drove me off of Gentoo. In the unstable branch, wget broke, with the emerge world finishing. Leaving emerge unable to fetch new code to fix the conflict that broke wget (hint what does portage use to fetch source?).
In Ubuntu, the package maintainers actually care about the installed packages from repos running once they're installed. In Gentoo world, not so much.
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Its been a long time since I did a fresh install without my installed-packages list, but I don't believe that K3B is in the base install of Ubuntu. Its a KDE app and ubuntu ships with Gnome. You can certainly install it running gnome, but I don't think they've got all the KDE libs installed by default, nor K3B.
You mean like the batshit crazy idea that the Jews are the chosen people of Jehova and anyone that brings harm to them will incur the wrath of the Lord? That's not racist or crazy, riight.
Religion at its most basic level is racist, crazy, nonsense propaganda that should be ignored in its totality in a political campaign. I just wish he'd had the guts to remain atheist as he was raised, but you can't get elected President as an atheist.
You're mistaking who is being trusted. It is the media companies trusting that the code running on your computer is the same stack they have tested to ensure that their "property" can be safely consumed. It is trust between Microsoft and their REAL customer. You're a commodity, not a customer.
"Okay, I now suspect you're trolling but I'll respond one last time. What Linux distro is "decent enough" that installing it also configures my multi-button mouse to perform my preferred custom action with the third mouse button and to ignore the fourth mouse button entirely? What Linux distro is decent enough that the installation step knows to set my printer to greyscale by default? What Linux distro is decent enough that it knows to disable the mic and webcam by default for all accounts? What distro is decent enough that as part of the installation it remakes the four user accounts I have on my old system? Seriously, each of these tasks is a separate step that requires me to manually make changes and is a separate step from just getting the OS up on the box."
Do you know what resides in the/etc/ directory?
"I'm sorry but manually repackaging all the software I install in and of itself is a bigger task than reinstalling by hand and that assumes I can repackage it. I'm not at all confident that some of the binary installers I run for commercial stuff are easy to do that with, or even practical."
I use a few non free software solutions. I realize that since I do, it means that I don't get to use the built in tools to easily manage my system, thus is a free, supported tool exists to accomplish a task, I use it.
You can write scripts once and have full control of your system, or you can continue using your platform locked bloat.
( * install the OS on the new hardware
* configure the hardware to behave like my old hardware.
* recreate my global configurations
* recreate my and user accounts
* recreate my partitions If any) )
That's actually one step if you're installing any decent linux distro
( * copy my data over
* reinstall all my software that is repositories (launch the script) )
There's another set that can easily be performed by a script in one step.
* manually reinstall the software not in repositories
This one CAN be automated if you buy into the package management model and build debs (not too hard, but I forget the tool name as I rarely manually compile stuff these days) yourself and install them using dpkg. Then its just a matter of catching the debs over in the copy data over step.
* manually re-register any commercial software and hope the license # still works and I have not lost it
This one can easily be solved by using free software, it works better as you can see from the steps above.
so, 4 steps that can be reduced to 3 by using the tools available to you properly, and can be reduced to 2 by selecting software more carefully.
Here's a hint. You're starting from the flawed assumption that MUSICIANS make much money at all from album royalties.
Albums should be given away as promotional material for performances (if ever pressed at all instead of just delivered electronically to begin with). Artists themselves already make most of their money from selling merchandise at performances.
Labels make money peddling plastic discs. Artists pretty much get the shaft.
Anyhow, scientifically speaking, skepticism is the only tenable position. Proving the lack of something is not the question. To believe in something's existence, one must be presented with either: sufficient evidence of its existence, or logical necessity of its existence. God has neither.
To "disprove" God would be starting from a logically untenable position in initially taking his existence on faith.
I mean Cairo, I mean the next piece of vaporware that will be used to keep Microsoft in a dominant market position even though their current product is inferior to the competition in both the desktop and server space, because why migrate off when "Windows 7" is just a few years away and will be SO FAAARRR ahead of everyone else.
Valve did something really simple (old school HL fan here) that other's didn't. They actually kept a DB of the shipped keys. So you weren't just authenticating against the idea that a key COULD be valid, you were authenticating against the unique existence of a key. That's much stronger than most cd-key strategies out there, which is why it was so good at getting folks to purchase their (IMHO) really good multiplayer FPS's.
So why not go to Thepiratebay and download the set there? I haven't looked at the format options, but it is a legal distribution channel. That's why they put it up there, since a hosted solution was expensive to handle the demand, let the swarm take it.
1. Get paid for feature bounties by those OS customers that want a specific feature implemented. 2. Get paid by integrators who are making a customized build and run across issues when deploying. 3. Get paid by the corporation who runs the project who makes there money selling support contracts. 4. Get paid by Google, Sun, IBM, etc who pay developers to do all sorts of kernel and toolchain development. 5. Be an entrepreneur and actually code up your own project, with the help of all the OS developers, then find customers who will pay you to deploy it.
Thus, the best programs still win, and those that don't need programmers support can implement it, and still send you bug requests (ie free QA/beta testing).
If, on the other hand, you're working for a corporation, do you particularly care how they monetize given that you still get your check?
" * How the energy is obtained in the first place. From petroleum drilled out of the ground, a coal mine, natural gas, solar power, nuclear power, and so on.
* The efficiency of conveying the energy from the source to the user. Coal and petroleum products are relatively good for this (some loss to evaporation for gasoline, I imagine). For remotely-generated electricity, there would be transmission losses. If you charge your electric car from a solar panel on your roof, much less so.
* How the energy is stored (or storage losses). This is one of the big issues with hydrogen. It tends to seep through containers. Compressed air would be a similar problem. A leak in your compressed air tank has an environmental effect just as a lead in your gas tank, and is harder to detect. It's more efficent to store a liquid than a compressed gas.
* The efficiency of converting the stored energy into motion of the vehicle. What are the thermal losses for state changes? Friction in the engine?"
Engineer that has worked with vehicles here:
Point 2: In contrast to hydrocarbons, hydrocarbon based generation gets more efficient as it scales up (ie an on highway engine vs a fixed generation facility), thus you will be using a more efficient process to generate the energy in the first place.
Point 3: Bogus, hydrogen leaks are dangerous because they're explosive. They're also difficult to prevent due to the fact that the molecules are very small. Not so for air on either count. If you have a leaky air tank, you have air leaking into air. If its bad enough to create a problem, then its noticeable (big noisy jet of compressed air).
Point 4: Gasoline and Diesel engines are horrible as far as the wasted heat energy (all that heat that goes out of the radiator?), an compressed air engine is giving the engine the direct mechanical energy it is converting, thus will be FAR more efficient than burning hydrocarbons to create the mechanical energy (there's one process you're eliminating, the more processes you eliminate the better).
To clarify a bit further, the default view should be skepticism, not belief. Blind belief in any proposition without evidence or at least a logical reason is a damaging thing to have at the base of any worldview as it allows at its core for exploitation (among other things).
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What is the deal with the new tree system since the theme change? I constantly have issues with deeply nested comments that I click on a reply to a comment I'm reading and end up viewing a completely unrelated comment. I just don't think this is a successful "upgrade" to the discussion system. I end up having to click on the post numbers and navigating that way, which is annoying!
And again you completely ignore the fact that QA is important for a distro to be useful. When I emerge world, with a stock unstable system on i686 and no overlays, I shouldn't HAVE to use my browser to fix the fact that the package manager managed to break the tool it uses to get source code. This is first grade basic shit here. After those kind of fuck ups, how can I trust the maintainers to get anything basic right? Why would I want to use their kernel sources?
Ubuntu is by no means perfect. Every now and again something small borks (usually when I don't have something config'd quite the Ubuntu way, but everything SHOULD be bulletproof in my world). However, my system has never been unbootable, every now and again it won't get into a 3d accel'd gnome, but for whatever reason, the restricted drivers manager just won't see my nvidia card, so I have to manage that myself. For more fun and games, Envy won't install the driver correctly on hardy (why oh why?)
Anyhow, a distro needs to get past BASIC mistakes before it can be taken seriously. UbuntuDupe chased Ubuntu around for 2 years because an install borked. Installing is honestly (in an automated fashion) a more difficult proposition than making updates not completely bork your system.
What a great typo for the gentoo experience "turn them lose to google".
Made me chuckle.
"PPS: Somebody please mod up that AC below me who made the 'if it compiles, it runs' comment. He's dead-on: that is the single most important reason I left binary distros. After an install, there is NO guarantee that your system will work. In a source-based distro, if the build/link/install completes successfully its almost certain that at least you'll be able to get back into your system the next time you reboot, because in the act of compiling and successfully linking an app, your system has effectively verified that the app has no missing library dependencies."
That is completely bogus. What about segfaults. What about race conditions. There are an infinite number of bad things that can lock your box that compiling from source doesn't fix. This is what drove me off of Gentoo. In the unstable branch, wget broke, with the emerge world finishing. Leaving emerge unable to fetch new code to fix the conflict that broke wget (hint what does portage use to fetch source?).
In Ubuntu, the package maintainers actually care about the installed packages from repos running once they're installed. In Gentoo world, not so much.
Had wget break on you lately?
And how do you define a gallon?
So how do you define a pound?
Its been a long time since I did a fresh install without my installed-packages list, but I don't believe that K3B is in the base install of Ubuntu. Its a KDE app and ubuntu ships with Gnome. You can certainly install it running gnome, but I don't think they've got all the KDE libs installed by default, nor K3B.
You mean like the batshit crazy idea that the Jews are the chosen people of Jehova and anyone that brings harm to them will incur the wrath of the Lord? That's not racist or crazy, riight.
Religion at its most basic level is racist, crazy, nonsense propaganda that should be ignored in its totality in a political campaign. I just wish he'd had the guts to remain atheist as he was raised, but you can't get elected President as an atheist.
You must be new here.
You're mistaking who is being trusted. It is the media companies trusting that the code running on your computer is the same stack they have tested to ensure that their "property" can be safely consumed. It is trust between Microsoft and their REAL customer. You're a commodity, not a customer.
"Okay, I now suspect you're trolling but I'll respond one last time. What Linux distro is "decent enough" that installing it also configures my multi-button mouse to perform my preferred custom action with the third mouse button and to ignore the fourth mouse button entirely? What Linux distro is decent enough that the installation step knows to set my printer to greyscale by default? What Linux distro is decent enough that it knows to disable the mic and webcam by default for all accounts? What distro is decent enough that as part of the installation it remakes the four user accounts I have on my old system? Seriously, each of these tasks is a separate step that requires me to manually make changes and is a separate step from just getting the OS up on the box."
/etc/ directory?
Do you know what resides in the
"I'm sorry but manually repackaging all the software I install in and of itself is a bigger task than reinstalling by hand and that assumes I can repackage it. I'm not at all confident that some of the binary installers I run for commercial stuff are easy to do that with, or even practical."
ok, since you're google impaired:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
I use a few non free software solutions. I realize that since I do, it means that I don't get to use the built in tools to easily manage my system, thus is a free, supported tool exists to accomplish a task, I use it.
You can write scripts once and have full control of your system, or you can continue using your platform locked bloat.
Your choice.
( * install the OS on the new hardware
* configure the hardware to behave like my old hardware.
* recreate my global configurations
* recreate my and user accounts
* recreate my partitions If any) )
That's actually one step if you're installing any decent linux distro
( * copy my data over
* reinstall all my software that is repositories (launch the script) )
There's another set that can easily be performed by a script in one step.
* manually reinstall the software not in repositories
This one CAN be automated if you buy into the package management model and build debs (not too hard, but I forget the tool name as I rarely manually compile stuff these days) yourself and install them using dpkg. Then its just a matter of catching the debs over in the copy data over step.
* manually re-register any commercial software and hope the license # still works and I have not lost it
This one can easily be solved by using free software, it works better as you can see from the steps above.
so, 4 steps that can be reduced to 3 by using the tools available to you properly, and can be reduced to 2 by selecting software more carefully.
If you are installing the same version on the same target hardware, there's not a big issue.
Also, you don't have to be there and awake, its called a bash script.
you can reinstall all applications with three cli commands and a created text file.
/etc/* /home/* and /var/* problem solved.
as for data, no hunting, move over
Here's a hint. You're starting from the flawed assumption that MUSICIANS make much money at all from album royalties.
Albums should be given away as promotional material for performances (if ever pressed at all instead of just delivered electronically to begin with). Artists themselves already make most of their money from selling merchandise at performances.
Labels make money peddling plastic discs. Artists pretty much get the shaft.
I suppose I'll bite, but I smell a troll..
Anyhow, scientifically speaking, skepticism is the only tenable position. Proving the lack of something is not the question. To believe in something's existence, one must be presented with either: sufficient evidence of its existence, or logical necessity of its existence. God has neither.
To "disprove" God would be starting from a logically untenable position in initially taking his existence on faith.
Zimbra + evolution, or zimbra standalone.
Or notes and Domino (as we use as a large enterprise)
I mean Cairo, I mean the next piece of vaporware that will be used to keep Microsoft in a dominant market position even though their current product is inferior to the competition in both the desktop and server space, because why migrate off when "Windows 7" is just a few years away and will be SO FAAARRR ahead of everyone else.
Same tune.
Valve did something really simple (old school HL fan here) that other's didn't. They actually kept a DB of the shipped keys. So you weren't just authenticating against the idea that a key COULD be valid, you were authenticating against the unique existence of a key. That's much stronger than most cd-key strategies out there, which is why it was so good at getting folks to purchase their (IMHO) really good multiplayer FPS's.
If you create an acct, (as I have) you can set it to the old version in your prefs. I hate the new layout as well.
So why not go to Thepiratebay and download the set there? I haven't looked at the format options, but it is a legal distribution channel. That's why they put it up there, since a hosted solution was expensive to handle the demand, let the swarm take it.
Oh let me count the ways:
1. Get paid for feature bounties by those OS customers that want a specific feature implemented.
2. Get paid by integrators who are making a customized build and run across issues when deploying.
3. Get paid by the corporation who runs the project who makes there money selling support contracts.
4. Get paid by Google, Sun, IBM, etc who pay developers to do all sorts of kernel and toolchain development.
5. Be an entrepreneur and actually code up your own project, with the help of all the OS developers, then find customers who will pay you to deploy it.
Thus, the best programs still win, and those that don't need programmers support can implement it, and still send you bug requests (ie free QA/beta testing).
If, on the other hand, you're working for a corporation, do you particularly care how they monetize given that you still get your check?
" * How the energy is obtained in the first place. From petroleum drilled out of the ground, a coal mine, natural gas, solar power, nuclear power, and so on.
* The efficiency of conveying the energy from the source to the user. Coal and petroleum products are relatively good for this (some loss to evaporation for gasoline, I imagine). For remotely-generated electricity, there would be transmission losses. If you charge your electric car from a solar panel on your roof, much less so.
* How the energy is stored (or storage losses). This is one of the big issues with hydrogen. It tends to seep through containers. Compressed air would be a similar problem. A leak in your compressed air tank has an environmental effect just as a lead in your gas tank, and is harder to detect. It's more efficent to store a liquid than a compressed gas.
* The efficiency of converting the stored energy into motion of the vehicle. What are the thermal losses for state changes? Friction in the engine?"
Engineer that has worked with vehicles here:
Point 2: In contrast to hydrocarbons, hydrocarbon based generation gets more efficient as it scales up (ie an on highway engine vs a fixed generation facility), thus you will be using a more efficient process to generate the energy in the first place.
Point 3: Bogus, hydrogen leaks are dangerous because they're explosive. They're also difficult to prevent due to the fact that the molecules are very small. Not so for air on either count. If you have a leaky air tank, you have air leaking into air. If its bad enough to create a problem, then its noticeable (big noisy jet of compressed air).
Point 4: Gasoline and Diesel engines are horrible as far as the wasted heat energy (all that heat that goes out of the radiator?), an compressed air engine is giving the engine the direct mechanical energy it is converting, thus will be FAR more efficient than burning hydrocarbons to create the mechanical energy (there's one process you're eliminating, the more processes you eliminate the better).
To clarify a bit further, the default view should be skepticism, not belief. Blind belief in any proposition without evidence or at least a logical reason is a damaging thing to have at the base of any worldview as it allows at its core for exploitation (among other things).