The point of my OP was that complaining about walmart is pretty shallow given the state of the retail economy, anywhere you go is just as bad, so if you're not comfortable giving your money to walmart, you may as well try to live off the grid.
I have simply accepted that I can only make the best of it. I DON'T shop at walmart because of their overtly anti-union activities and their bait and switch with American labor (remember the early 90's commercials? I do). But I also don't shop @ Target if I can help it. I go to local joints where a small business owner benefits from me paying a few dollars more, but treats his employees like human beings instead of commodities.
Not to say that SB's are all that is holy, but at least I have less of a behemoth to judge how they're behaving. I buy from my farmer's market when I can because I find it morally reprehensible to shop at supermarkets that throw away 80% of the produce they buy just so we can feel like there's not a food shortage.
If everyone lived like the average citizen of the US, the world would be a shitty place REALLY quickly, so I try to do my part. I drive a 10 year old car. I live in a house that was built right, in 1934. I take my motorcycle when the weather in my part of the country allows. I recycle, I cook from scratch.
But even with all this, I need bathtowels, etc and the thrift stores in my city are terrible (I could drive an hour, but doesn't that really defeat the purpose?). So I'm forced to deal with big chains now and again, its just distasteful to me.
Yes, but do you feel target, best buy, circuit city, or any of the other corporate fascist masters we can choose are better in any material way? We must choose to live either on the grid or off.
If you're on the grid, people who you don't like are getting your money. Think BP/Shell/Texaco or your local monopolistic power company are filled with joyful liberals? Think the local water/sewage/waste disposal companies are your best friend?
Life is full of choices. Sometimes its what you can get, not who you're giving it to that is the deciding factor.
"I enjoy books with depth, complexity, and longevity. I avoid books and series that are simple or episodic. If it can be made into a 3 hour or less movie, it's not worth my time. Each book should take at least half of a full season of TV to conclude and a saga should take years of watching. LoTR produced 12 hours of feature movie, and from only a few hundred pages (about the total length of a single book from Jordan). Each potter book, some of which are 800+ pages) only translate into 2 hour movies. I read the first 5 books of the potter series in about 3 days time. Each book of Jordan's, Martin's, William's, or Stepheson's enthrawled me for more than a week. Anyuthing less can't hold my interest, is too predictable, or is simply episodic and I have no addiction to the series. Not everyone feels the same way, and i hold no ill will towards them. The only readers I wish stripped from the face of Terra are those who read romance novels..."
Then why are you reading Jordan? I read the first 4 of the series and when I can read the first page, tell you what's going to happen on the last page, and the rest is just riding horses bitching about when they're going to get there, its not "enthralling". Let me clear it up for you, its a wheel, he breaks time again, and it starts all over. They bitch about it until it happens, then it happens exactly how it was described in the prologue of book one.
"What "DNS services" does Linux offer (and Vista does not) that I might want to make use of?"
"What's a "portable desktop?" I can't comment on this. (Unless you mean roaming profiles? Maybe? Or an iMac?)"
roaming profiles, etc. Thin clients and all the rest.
"I'll hand you this one, I guess, not that it matters when even the dumbest OS has mature, stable networking capabilities. I will mention that Windows (and/or Novell) definitely lead the charge when it comes to resource sharing, networking printers and drives."
"Example? How did Linux "integrate" with online services better than Windows Vista? This point is so vague I can't even really comment on it."
Gnome online desktop.
"Everything in the Windows Vista shell is scriptable using the old "cmd.exe" method (and always has been) and in Vista, the new Monad scripting environment."
Thats like trading a ferrari for a pinto. cmd.exe is a half assed shell. You can't get anything useful done with it, I've tried. No perl, sed, awk, grep, etc.
"Everyone prioritizes bugs. Want me to show you some very nasty Firefox bugs that have been alive for "several years?" I could dig up at least two, just from the top of my head. Of course, this is where you argue "OMG LINUX IS JUST A KERNEL!!!""
Actually, we could show you plenty of IE bugs that still aren't fixed, but Windows is just a kernel, right?
"Again, very vague, but the core kernel seems to be modular enough to run on my desktop, my Xbox and in a bunch of luxury cars I can't afford. Maybe Linux could do this earlier, but frankly it doesn't matter for my needs."
I can run any shell with any window manager, with any decorator with any sound subsystem with any (insert component here) that I like. Windows (nor mac for that matter) have nothing even close (well you can install X11 on mac.. but why not just use BSD at that point).
Well, since you won't actually research the topic.
"The first version of Compiz was released as free software by Novell (SUSE) in January 2006 in the wake of the also new Xgl."
So, that would be pre-Vista. Also, its not much of a wag that they got it into Vista when Linux is "sooo terrible" in terms of UI and associated technologies if you listen to most of the drones.
DNS services, firewalling, true security, stability, granular permissions, true file permissions, multi user environments, portable desktops, networking, online service integration, shell scripting, fixing code problems in less than several years, open API's, modularity.
So the one thing you came up with to spend most of your time talking about for Vista both OSX and Linux (all linux distros btw, not just Ubuntu) have, and Linux has had versions in various stages of development for 2 years or so.
Compiz, Beryl, now together as Compiz Fusion.
Just shows how weak of a showing Vista really is. Microsoft will continue selling vaporware and releasing catchup versions of their OS (that are only 10 years or so behind their vaporware) as they always have. First it was Cairo, then it was Longhorn, now its Windows 7. When will people learn?
I use it as a personal mail/calendar server, I don't use a frontend with it much, but it does integrate nicely with evolution and with thunderbird and lightning.
It has resource scheduling (even in the free version) I just don't use it, so I really can't comment on its quality. The email and scheduling is nice, its compatible with iCal, so there's tons of public calendars out there to help keep track of generic stuff too.
Yeah, I PROBABLY should have just responded to your post, but I didn't want it buried down in replies since it was a salient point to the whole conversation:)
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Cite sources if you're going to spread FUD. Neither Greenpeace nor PETA are terrorist organizations. Neither have been involved in loss of life from organized violent activities. The worst you can say about either is they made some corporations lose money.
If that's the new level for "terrorists" I don't want to live here anymore.
This is why I love Linux. Gnome fills my needs perfectly, but I'm not every user. KDE fills your needs perfectly, but again, you're not every user. Rather than getting into ugly pissing matches about who'd desktop is better, we can coexist and each have something we like.
I think the reasons for KUbuntu being less polished are pretty easily guessable. Ubuntu tends to be for newer Linux users (although I fall into the PowerUser/wannabe dev category). Gnome is a good DE for the underlying philosophy of Ubuntu (usable out of the box with little to no configuration, but able to be tweaked to your level). KDE tends to be for those that just need things exactly their way. KDE is not the default, so it falls to the downstream Kubuntu dev team to put the polish into the releases, and their a minority. Their working hard (I would imagine) on finishing KDE4's integration.
Anyhow, less of a point, more of a "this is why Linux gets my vote" post.
Not in Gutsy (at least amd64 gutsy). I had exactly the same "issue" and had to reinstall from the binary package from VMWare themselves. Not a huge deal (aside from my own messing up the restricted modules package version so i was pinned a release behind on the kernel with no headers available.. but I diegress), but not in the repos.
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The point of my OP was that complaining about walmart is pretty shallow given the state of the retail economy, anywhere you go is just as bad, so if you're not comfortable giving your money to walmart, you may as well try to live off the grid.
I have simply accepted that I can only make the best of it. I DON'T shop at walmart because of their overtly anti-union activities and their bait and switch with American labor (remember the early 90's commercials? I do). But I also don't shop @ Target if I can help it. I go to local joints where a small business owner benefits from me paying a few dollars more, but treats his employees like human beings instead of commodities.
Not to say that SB's are all that is holy, but at least I have less of a behemoth to judge how they're behaving. I buy from my farmer's market when I can because I find it morally reprehensible to shop at supermarkets that throw away 80% of the produce they buy just so we can feel like there's not a food shortage.
If everyone lived like the average citizen of the US, the world would be a shitty place REALLY quickly, so I try to do my part. I drive a 10 year old car. I live in a house that was built right, in 1934. I take my motorcycle when the weather in my part of the country allows. I recycle, I cook from scratch.
But even with all this, I need bathtowels, etc and the thrift stores in my city are terrible (I could drive an hour, but doesn't that really defeat the purpose?). So I'm forced to deal with big chains now and again, its just distasteful to me.
Yes, but is it uncoerced if the item you're buying is a necessity and you have no other choice because of a government protected monopoly?
Yes, but do you feel target, best buy, circuit city, or any of the other corporate fascist masters we can choose are better in any material way? We must choose to live either on the grid or off.
If you're on the grid, people who you don't like are getting your money. Think BP/Shell/Texaco or your local monopolistic power company are filled with joyful liberals? Think the local water/sewage/waste disposal companies are your best friend?
Life is full of choices. Sometimes its what you can get, not who you're giving it to that is the deciding factor.
Good job slashdotting your own site. Don't try to pull that kind of traffic through dyndns.
"I enjoy books with depth, complexity, and longevity. I avoid books and series that are simple or episodic. If it can be made into a 3 hour or less movie, it's not worth my time. Each book should take at least half of a full season of TV to conclude and a saga should take years of watching. LoTR produced 12 hours of feature movie, and from only a few hundred pages (about the total length of a single book from Jordan). Each potter book, some of which are 800+ pages) only translate into 2 hour movies. I read the first 5 books of the potter series in about 3 days time. Each book of Jordan's, Martin's, William's, or Stepheson's enthrawled me for more than a week. Anyuthing less can't hold my interest, is too predictable, or is simply episodic and I have no addiction to the series. Not everyone feels the same way, and i hold no ill will towards them. The only readers I wish stripped from the face of Terra are those who read romance novels..."
Then why are you reading Jordan? I read the first 4 of the series and when I can read the first page, tell you what's going to happen on the last page, and the rest is just riding horses bitching about when they're going to get there, its not "enthralling". Let me clear it up for you, its a wheel, he breaks time again, and it starts all over. They bitch about it until it happens, then it happens exactly how it was described in the prologue of book one.
somehow it chopped out large portions of my reply...
BIND is the dns service that runs the internet. dnsmasq can give you ping and browse by name based on dhcp lease name for you local network.
Windows does resource sharing badly, but its there. Linux has always had resource sharing via NFS (remember my son, everything is a file)
again, with emphasis:
RELEASED in 2006.
"What "DNS services" does Linux offer (and Vista does not) that I might want to make use of?"
"What's a "portable desktop?" I can't comment on this. (Unless you mean roaming profiles? Maybe? Or an iMac?)"
roaming profiles, etc. Thin clients and all the rest.
"I'll hand you this one, I guess, not that it matters when even the dumbest OS has mature, stable networking capabilities. I will mention that Windows (and/or Novell) definitely lead the charge when it comes to resource sharing, networking printers and drives."
"Example? How did Linux "integrate" with online services better than Windows Vista? This point is so vague I can't even really comment on it."
Gnome online desktop.
"Everything in the Windows Vista shell is scriptable using the old "cmd.exe" method (and always has been) and in Vista, the new Monad scripting environment."
Thats like trading a ferrari for a pinto. cmd.exe is a half assed shell. You can't get anything useful done with it, I've tried. No perl, sed, awk, grep, etc.
"Everyone prioritizes bugs. Want me to show you some very nasty Firefox bugs that have been alive for "several years?" I could dig up at least two, just from the top of my head. Of course, this is where you argue "OMG LINUX IS JUST A KERNEL!!!""
Actually, we could show you plenty of IE bugs that still aren't fixed, but Windows is just a kernel, right?
"Again, very vague, but the core kernel seems to be modular enough to run on my desktop, my Xbox and in a bunch of luxury cars I can't afford. Maybe Linux could do this earlier, but frankly it doesn't matter for my needs."
I can run any shell with any window manager, with any decorator with any sound subsystem with any (insert component here) that I like. Windows (nor mac for that matter) have nothing even close (well you can install X11 on mac.. but why not just use BSD at that point).
from your user number I can tell, you must be new here :)
Well, since you won't actually research the topic.
"The first version of Compiz was released as free software by Novell (SUSE) in January 2006 in the wake of the also new Xgl."
So, that would be pre-Vista. Also, its not much of a wag that they got it into Vista when Linux is "sooo terrible" in terms of UI and associated technologies if you listen to most of the drones.
What are they catching up to?
DNS services, firewalling, true security, stability, granular permissions, true file permissions, multi user environments, portable desktops, networking, online service integration, shell scripting, fixing code problems in less than several years, open API's, modularity.
The list is long.
Huh?
from my original post:
"in various stages of development for 2 years or so"
So the one thing you came up with to spend most of your time talking about for Vista both OSX and Linux (all linux distros btw, not just Ubuntu) have, and Linux has had versions in various stages of development for 2 years or so.
Compiz, Beryl, now together as Compiz Fusion.
Just shows how weak of a showing Vista really is. Microsoft will continue selling vaporware and releasing catchup versions of their OS (that are only 10 years or so behind their vaporware) as they always have. First it was Cairo, then it was Longhorn, now its Windows 7. When will people learn?
I use it as a personal mail/calendar server, I don't use a frontend with it much, but it does integrate nicely with evolution and with thunderbird and lightning.
It has resource scheduling (even in the free version) I just don't use it, so I really can't comment on its quality. The email and scheduling is nice, its compatible with iCal, so there's tons of public calendars out there to help keep track of generic stuff too.
Check it out.
allow scripts and it is. You can give reasons and add tags.
or:
:)
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To CTA so that its back on the user if they don't, because they made a false representation.
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Umm.. that's not included in ANY PURPOSE ON THE SITE?
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Don't like it, don't use facebook. I don't.
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Yeah, I PROBABLY should have just responded to your post, but I didn't want it buried down in replies since it was a salient point to the whole conversation :)
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So, you gave them permission, good luck fighting it.
Suckers.
Cite sources if you're going to spread FUD. Neither Greenpeace nor PETA are terrorist organizations. Neither have been involved in loss of life from organized violent activities. The worst you can say about either is they made some corporations lose money.
If that's the new level for "terrorists" I don't want to live here anymore.
This is why I love Linux. Gnome fills my needs perfectly, but I'm not every user. KDE fills your needs perfectly, but again, you're not every user. Rather than getting into ugly pissing matches about who'd desktop is better, we can coexist and each have something we like.
I think the reasons for KUbuntu being less polished are pretty easily guessable. Ubuntu tends to be for newer Linux users (although I fall into the PowerUser/wannabe dev category). Gnome is a good DE for the underlying philosophy of Ubuntu (usable out of the box with little to no configuration, but able to be tweaked to your level). KDE tends to be for those that just need things exactly their way. KDE is not the default, so it falls to the downstream Kubuntu dev team to put the polish into the releases, and their a minority. Their working hard (I would imagine) on finishing KDE4's integration.
Anyhow, less of a point, more of a "this is why Linux gets my vote" post.
Not in Gutsy (at least amd64 gutsy). I had exactly the same "issue" and had to reinstall from the binary package from VMWare themselves. Not a huge deal (aside from my own messing up the restricted modules package version so i was pinned a release behind on the kernel with no headers available.. but I diegress), but not in the repos.
it made ME laugh anyway :)