Actually, I use it at least four or five times weekly. Some new package I want to mess with, some new task I want to tackle, some new server service I'm setting up.. If I had to hunt for stuff on the interwebs (the actual packages, not just info) and build it, it would slow me down. That's a big reason I use Ubuntu.. however, I'm installing slack on an old Pentium lappy with 40 MB of ram just to fart with it, all things in their place.
And they forgot to tell you to have common sense, damn them for their poor FREE documentation. And damn those pesky volunteers who put up with your temper tantrums and insults to TRY to help you when you didn't bother to keep INSTALL MEDIA for your original OS around when you were messing with installing an OS.... shucks what could go wrong when writing boot information to a HD with a program that comes to you for free with no warranty?
No, but how about a string of them.
Cairo, Longhorn...
Win 95 was SUPPOSED to be Cairo, but all the features were stripped out before release and we ended up with a dressed up (and admittedly more stable) win 3.1 STILL on top of DOS. Then NT was supposed to be Cairo, but again, didn't make the cut. Then Win XP was supposed to be Cairo, but again, same story. Then they shifted to talk to Longhorn.... you can connect the dots. Microsoft has been selling vaporware to catch up with competitors for 20 years now. Wake up.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/4E2A8848-57 38-45B1-A659-AD7473899D7D.html
Actually, I think Kleenex is a great example. You are free to refer to whatever you like in common parlance as Kleenex, but someone can't advertise a product under the Kleenex trademark other than the makers of Kleenex, or their assigned agents.
While Open Source as a trademark is licensed more permissively, it is in the same vein. I do see your point that open was used ahead of Open Source, but Open Source wasn't.
I'm not sure where I fall on if this is the best way to approach it, however if Microsoft ever tried to market their sign and NDA and don't produce anything "Shared Source" approach as Open Source, I'd be more than happy to see this approach have some teeth to go after that farce.
Bad straw man with Kleenex. Kleenex describes a tissue PRODUCED BY KLEENEX. Anything else MARKETED that way would be TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT. Now, you may commonly refer to any tissue that way, but that's not MARKETING.
I did only look at the laptops. That's what I'm in the market for tbf. However, the point remains, the page sucks. It directs you to systems that you can't buy linux on.
HP is no better. HP sells HP-UX (thus making linux a threat to them), and goes out of their way to NOT offer support to their linux customers in the desktop space. They have denied (until it got publicity) hardware warranty claims on their hardware because it runs linux, and (since I own an HP I know) their new "license" for your hardware claims that you only have the right to use the hardware if you use the preinstalled Vista. I can post the details (would make a good journal entry *note to self*).
Dell is far preferable to HP now that Michael Dell is back at the helm. Remember the HP board pretexting and spying on HP senior management/other board members? Mr. Dell (speculation here) is biding his time, seeing where the hell Dell sits, and slowly trying to steer the ship back from the direction they've been headed.
It makes me smile that you jumped back to Gentoo.. I jumped to Ubuntu after a system update broke wget. Gentoo has gone downhill. I loved learning on it, but I need a computer I can count on using after I update it. (feel free to mod totally OT)
They tried to baptize my grandmother after she died, and they took over my G-mother in laws funeral after she converted very late in her life. It's not about the religion, its about the people and how they treat people.
Mark it troll-ish all you want, its my opinion and my karma can take it.
would I want the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) who run Ancestry.com (their dirty little secret for how they put more names in the Book of Mormon) to have my DNA? Sounds creepy.
And you are ignoring one aspect of business that the US Auto industry is learning right now. Push you customers away too far by not responding to demand and you will find out what "too little too late" means.
I was using the default OS by default. (err.. well I can't figure a more graceful way to say that). Add to that free MS software (legitimately) from Dear Ole Dad being a reseller, and until I got REALLY sick of it, I had no reason to change. I'm not an IT person (engineer and tech minded, though). I got to the point where I didn't want to run Microsoft as "free software".
I can finally speak (I hope) intelligently to Apple's desktop. I spent a few hours sitting round in the Apple Store in Chicago last time I was out that way (shopping for my iPod since I hate free software:)) watching their in store tech seminar/demo's. I gave an open mind to.mac and all, but the lack of interoperability of the default services and the OVER streamlined GUI (coming from a gnome user) just drove me nuts while I was watching.
Main reason Linux v Apple (in my case) was I already own 3 or 4 different computers, and I'm not replacing them, just reformatting. Now I have a home server, a firewall/gateway server, and a few more usable workstations. Not just two junk computer sitting in a corner, and two pcs sitting there not talking to each other:).
But, for someone that isn't entrenched in hardware, I can see the option.
If Microsoft goes too far with taking control of computers away from consumers (as they did for me with Vista, only been using linux 6 months) they'll just drive more consumers to Linux, which makes me smile.
Or one could release one's work under a license that prohibits you from taking it, while allowing others who will share and share alike to use it freely. Where I come from, that's called the GPL.
No IP is not incompatible with making a living off a product, you just have to deliver value (instead of a box of code that may or may not fill your customers' needs). It simply aligns what the customer is paying for with what they receive, a working system.
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Actually, I use it at least four or five times weekly. Some new package I want to mess with, some new task I want to tackle, some new server service I'm setting up.. If I had to hunt for stuff on the interwebs (the actual packages, not just info) and build it, it would slow me down. That's a big reason I use Ubuntu.. however, I'm installing slack on an old Pentium lappy with 40 MB of ram just to fart with it, all things in their place.
Some text for the body.
"Of course, what choice do they have if they want/need to run Windows?"
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And they forgot to tell you to have common sense, damn them for their poor FREE documentation. And damn those pesky volunteers who put up with your temper tantrums and insults to TRY to help you when you didn't bother to keep INSTALL MEDIA for your original OS around when you were messing with installing an OS.... shucks what could go wrong when writing boot information to a HD with a program that comes to you for free with no warranty?
Doofus.
No, but how about a string of them. Cairo, Longhorn... Win 95 was SUPPOSED to be Cairo, but all the features were stripped out before release and we ended up with a dressed up (and admittedly more stable) win 3.1 STILL on top of DOS. Then NT was supposed to be Cairo, but again, didn't make the cut. Then Win XP was supposed to be Cairo, but again, same story. Then they shifted to talk to Longhorn.... you can connect the dots. Microsoft has been selling vaporware to catch up with competitors for 20 years now. Wake up. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/4E2A8848-57 38-45B1-A659-AD7473899D7D.html
"The Vista train will pull out of the station eventually because Microsoft's monopoly makes this a sure thing."
Windows ME.. cough.. cough...
Actually, I think Kleenex is a great example. You are free to refer to whatever you like in common parlance as Kleenex, but someone can't advertise a product under the Kleenex trademark other than the makers of Kleenex, or their assigned agents.
While Open Source as a trademark is licensed more permissively, it is in the same vein. I do see your point that open was used ahead of Open Source, but Open Source wasn't.
I'm not sure where I fall on if this is the best way to approach it, however if Microsoft ever tried to market their sign and NDA and don't produce anything "Shared Source" approach as Open Source, I'd be more than happy to see this approach have some teeth to go after that farce.
Bad straw man with Kleenex. Kleenex describes a tissue PRODUCED BY KLEENEX. Anything else MARKETED that way would be TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT. Now, you may commonly refer to any tissue that way, but that's not MARKETING.
Get the difference?
I did only look at the laptops. That's what I'm in the market for tbf. However, the point remains, the page sucks. It directs you to systems that you can't buy linux on.
And the workstations for office doesn't direct you to systems you can buy linux on. It only offers XP, XP x64, and Vista/Vistax64. Nice link...
HP is no better. HP sells HP-UX (thus making linux a threat to them), and goes out of their way to NOT offer support to their linux customers in the desktop space. They have denied (until it got publicity) hardware warranty claims on their hardware because it runs linux, and (since I own an HP I know) their new "license" for your hardware claims that you only have the right to use the hardware if you use the preinstalled Vista. I can post the details (would make a good journal entry *note to self*).
Dell is far preferable to HP now that Michael Dell is back at the helm. Remember the HP board pretexting and spying on HP senior management/other board members? Mr. Dell (speculation here) is biding his time, seeing where the hell Dell sits, and slowly trying to steer the ship back from the direction they've been headed.
It makes me smile that you jumped back to Gentoo.. I jumped to Ubuntu after a system update broke wget. Gentoo has gone downhill. I loved learning on it, but I need a computer I can count on using after I update it. (feel free to mod totally OT)
sure, but can you type it while casting spells and moving around? That's where voice chat comes in handy.
Its run by "LDS Entrepeneurs".. same dif.
They tried to baptize my grandmother after she died, and they took over my G-mother in laws funeral after she converted very late in her life. It's not about the religion, its about the people and how they treat people.
Mark it troll-ish all you want, its my opinion and my karma can take it.
http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/63677
would I want the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) who run Ancestry.com (their dirty little secret for how they put more names in the Book of Mormon) to have my DNA? Sounds creepy.
And you are ignoring one aspect of business that the US Auto industry is learning right now. Push you customers away too far by not responding to demand and you will find out what "too little too late" means.
I was using the default OS by default. (err.. well I can't figure a more graceful way to say that). Add to that free MS software (legitimately) from Dear Ole Dad being a reseller, and until I got REALLY sick of it, I had no reason to change. I'm not an IT person (engineer and tech minded, though). I got to the point where I didn't want to run Microsoft as "free software".
I can finally speak (I hope) intelligently to Apple's desktop. I spent a few hours sitting round in the Apple Store in Chicago last time I was out that way (shopping for my iPod since I hate free software :)) watching their in store tech seminar/demo's. I gave an open mind to .mac and all, but the lack of interoperability of the default services and the OVER streamlined GUI (coming from a gnome user) just drove me nuts while I was watching.
Main reason Linux v Apple (in my case) was I already own 3 or 4 different computers, and I'm not replacing them, just reformatting. Now I have a home server, a firewall/gateway server, and a few more usable workstations. Not just two junk computer sitting in a corner, and two pcs sitting there not talking to each other :).
But, for someone that isn't entrenched in hardware, I can see the option.
If Microsoft goes too far with taking control of computers away from consumers (as they did for me with Vista, only been using linux 6 months) they'll just drive more consumers to Linux, which makes me smile.
Or one could release one's work under a license that prohibits you from taking it, while allowing others who will share and share alike to use it freely. Where I come from, that's called the GPL.
MLM is grey on being legal (many many pushers of it in jail) and is not sustainable.
No IP is not incompatible with making a living off a product, you just have to deliver value (instead of a box of code that may or may not fill your customers' needs). It simply aligns what the customer is paying for with what they receive, a working system.