All you have to do is use the command prompt instead of clicking the icon. The os check switch is/a, so you could type in the run prompt:
D:/setup.exe/a
And XP only games will install on 2000 no problem. I have a few MS XP only games on my 2000 machine. Pinnacle Pro also worked this way, can't say I've had any other apps argue with me over it.
I use windows 2000 for all my 3D models and texturing. I game on it as well and I can tell you that it almost never crashes as long as I don't install a slew of freeware or trialware. If stability is paramount to price, I would go with windows 2000. You really need to lock it down because the "out of the box" install options for networking are simply retarded. Remote registry service on by default? Jesus.
At the school where I teach we use XP. It constantly crashes, even with the stablest of apps like photoshop. Granted, a lab for 600 students will be harder to maintain than a personal pc. Default install does not automatically start RRS.
Interestingly, the OS check for most applications or games I own that require Windows XP can be easily overrided by using the command line to skip the OS check. "(Drive letter or path): setup/a" is all you need to do. even MS games the "require XP" work just fine. Drivers, patches, updates, applications... it works for all of them so far.
XP is probably better if you have a 64 bit processor, but otherwise I don't see what advantages it would have. I've heard you can get an extra 5-7 FPS in some games out of it... I guess that's something. They aren't releasing Service Packs for 2000 anymore, that is likely something else. Last I heard they are discontinuing them for XP too soon anyway...
Maybe I'm just weird but I use the web mostly for information. Entertainment is exactly what I don't want in every web page, Ill settle for a site map and a search function and be happy.
Adobe may have a stanglehold on the 2D industry, but just take a look at Autodesk for the real monopoly.
Adobe software is pocket change compared to 3D software, and there is no bigger company than Autodesk for that. (Think Studio Max, Maya, Autocad)
Granted a 3D package without photoshop or illustrator isn't going to do what you want most likely, but still the numbers are staggering.
We all feel it when we are forced upon it. I heard a phrase once that went something like "The emptiest pot bangs the loudest" and I thought it summed it up pretty well.
Yikes, what state does your niece live in? Did she learn it from a teacher or from a student? That's really strange.
When I went to school the subject of biology and the origin of man didn't even come up until 8th grade. I remember the day my teacher Mr. Elliot told us a disclaimer that if you were highly religious you could be excused from the class about evolution, and he proved the concept if a few days with a petri dish and a weak antibiotic. After the weak bacteria died, only resistant strains were left and subsequent uses of the antibiotic were ineffective. He explained how this worked long term with more advanced organisms over a longer period of time and we went on our way. Heck I don't even remember talking about history until 3rd grade. Strange pre-school, kindergarten, or elementary school that she is attending. I wonder if it is a state school or not. We never talked about religion, but this was in a public school in suburban Philly.
I wouldn't exactly consider religion as something being exported from this country, it's a free country if they want to try to recruit that is thier right to do so. Of course they are batshit crazy but that is beside the point. As far as money being spent on the aquisition of religious artifacts, well, that has been going on since time immemorial and will never stop. American or otherwise, deep down people want some sort of proof and finding an ark would certainly be that proof. (I'm not taking sides.) Now if that was government money funding the hunt that would be something, but private money can do whatever it wants.
There isn't a lot of universities having to convince thier students to embrace science, it just doesn't make the news unless they do. For the most part the extremely religious types have thier own schools that they can attend like Holy Cross or BYU. I've got 2 degrees and there was never a question about evolution at either of the universities I attended. One of them was in Pennsylvania and the other in California.
As far as the upswelling of anti-science philisophy that is just part of the South here in the US. You see at one point they lost thier slaves and they really don't know where to place thier ignorant hatred at this point. The school systems are broken down there, the good ol' boy network is in full effect, and it is the home of the most famous terrorist organization in the US, the KKK. Reason and understanding are in short supply down there, and every once and a while they start making some noise just so we all don't forget about them. For a good time, see Colbert interviewing Georgia's Rep who wanted the 10 commandments in a courthouse, but could only name 3 or 4 of them himself.
If PC game support and bugginess continues on the path it is, I doubt I would even want to game on a PC anymore as compared to a console. It really is getting to be quite a headache. It seems more and more that the PC games I am interested in are released incomplete and get shoddy patches afterwards. I do enjoy not having to patch my console games.
Consoles are catching up so quick that in a few years once the prices come down and the online services are more developed there may be little reason to game on a PC anymore. If the consoles dont have a keyboard addon I'm sure they'll have something else.
Then of course there is the cheaters, which seem to be far more rare on console online services than in PC games. No, I don't think I'll miss PC games, though I have been playing them since the Trash80.
I realize this won't be popular with the armchair chickenhawks but..
I don't want to shoot anyone, especially in this day and age of instant communications. I would much rather just leave than fight anyone over this. Call it cowardice, I sure don't care. My family emigrated here during WW1 for the exact same shit, so turning around and headed back or going somewhere else doesn't scare me in the least. You might say I am obligated to honor my forefathers by doing what they did, and keeping the family name alive.
You want to fight and die for it, be my guest. Don't expect me to join you.
Guns and rifles? Versus tanks and planes? Good luck with that. I'm sure someone will point out our current war as proof that sticks and stones can "win". Look at the civilian casualties, that is your mother, your sister, your grandpa. I really cannot believe GP got modded +3 insightful for posting this dribble. Yeah go ahead and start a war, destroy everything around you and lose the ones you love, but hey, you won the moral battle right? Right? Ever notice the really smart people in any given country just leave when it turns to shit? No one calls Einstein a coward, yet look what he did.
The old story goes that Washington chopped down the cherry tree, and when asked about it he said "I cannot tell a lie, I chopped down the tree." Think about this... what does it tell you? That Washington was honest? Yeah, it also tells you that he carelessly destroyed his own fathers property and wasn't about to apologize for it. At least, that is how I always interpreted it. That is kinda how you seem too.
I think what our government is turning into is terrible, and I despise it. But fight for it? Hell no, I've been to other countries and I've seen what is available to me if I decide it's time.
But seriously, what you are posting is without a doubt going to attract the exact attention you don't want anyway and could viably be used as a valid excuse for more sweeping powers regarding monitoring this exact type of thing. Talk of armed rebellion, whether consititional or not is bound to get noticed. Once you are on the no fly list, you can't leave. Kind of like that scene in a Bronx Tale. I would suggest that you should take a bit more tact about how you present yourself regarding this topic. It's not about legal and not-legal, it's about stupidity and subtleness. The GP was subtle, you certainly are not. You sound like you can't wait to get to the killing, and that scares me just as much as the FBI.
Which in turn makes CDs and movies more expensive to cover their costs, which in turn makes more and more people consider downloading them, which in turn....
I wonder if this had something to do with it. It would seem MS and Sony had some trouble getting thier demos going on time, and Nintendo stole the show.
Perhaps this helped seal the deal for E3 (for now) as the majority of game companies cannot redifine gaming every E3 and stand to get much less press than the big few who try.
As far as Sony not doing anything right lately, the simply have too many divisions that have competing and different needs. They really need to spin off some departments imho. After the root kit incident I really don't care what happens to Sony but if they are going to do outrageous things like that they need to hide it behind a different company name at the very least.
I have such mixed feelings about Doom3. I don't think there is a sinlge person in the gaming industry I respect more than John Carmack, I really have issues with how many mobs can be displayed at any one time. I don't know if it was a game limitation or an engine limitation, regardless I wasn't too thrilled with it. I recall thinking the same thing about Quake 4, though I think the limit was 4 mobs on that one. I'm sure the decision was made that the engine was to be as beefy as possible (and it sure does do a lot), but from my experience with Doom there was never more than 3 mobs at a time. That just isn't enough, especially considering hell has ripped open and demons are supposedly pouring through. (or whatever.)
The lag on quake 4 multiplayer was enough for me to put it away forever, though I'm sure it has been improved by now. I have a 7800GTX and even at 800x600 with all options turned off it was so vastly different from Quake 3s quickness and responsiveness I still get misty eyed over it. In my opinion however I just doesn't get any sweeter than Quake 3 engine, to me it really feels like an extension of myself on how fast it reacts. Now if we can just get them to make the "unlagged" mod standard issue...
While it may be trendy to bash the PS3 lately, I think it is really the gaming community lashing out a bit at what seems to be the "silicone implant" era of gaming. Yes we can hyperthread if we want to, however more power and better graphics don't necessarily make a game fun. I really am not sure if Sony gets this, being a "high end" electronics company.
Everything about their press releases scream graphics as well. You certainly aren't going to fill a 40gb dvd with just AI and codebase. They are pushing the graphics angle so hard it almost seems like force feeding.
One thing I do know being a game artist is that it is easier *for me* to put things out in.X than most other things. I don't even like MS but I gotta hand it to them, it's way easier (read: productive) to make games for it than it is for the PS3. (Compressed parallax mapping for DX shaders is a beautiful thing.) Game companies are here to make money, not push the envelope, and as such they won't adopt something that costs 2x as much dev time in order to charge $10 more for a game. It's not about hating on Sony, it's about making money. If Sony makes it hard for game companies to make money, well, whats the point?
I thought Return to Castle Wolfenstein wasn't bad, but I have to agree with you about the recent id games being tired and repetitive. Quake 4 and Doom 3 were basically the same game, and the similarities to Half Life 2 were many. (Did they really need walkers?)
I believe that Carmack is an amazing dev, however I don't think id really understands whats made Doom popular in the first place. For me at least it was never about good graphics or scariness, it was about staying alive versus huge amounts of monsters. With Doom 3 only displaying 3 mobs at any 1 time, I have lost my interest in id games. I guess good graphics can only go so far before we see the mirrors through the smoke.
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All you have to do is use the command prompt instead of clicking the icon. The os check switch is /a, so you could type in the run prompt:
/a
D:/setup.exe
And XP only games will install on 2000 no problem. I have a few MS XP only games on my 2000 machine. Pinnacle Pro also worked this way, can't say I've had any other apps argue with me over it.
I use windows 2000 for all my 3D models and texturing. I game on it as well and I can tell you that it almost never crashes as long as I don't install a slew of freeware or trialware. If stability is paramount to price, I would go with windows 2000. You really need to lock it down because the "out of the box" install options for networking are simply retarded. Remote registry service on by default? Jesus.
/a" is all you need to do. even MS games the "require XP" work just fine. Drivers, patches, updates, applications... it works for all of them so far.
At the school where I teach we use XP. It constantly crashes, even with the stablest of apps like photoshop. Granted, a lab for 600 students will be harder to maintain than a personal pc. Default install does not automatically start RRS.
Interestingly, the OS check for most applications or games I own that require Windows XP can be easily overrided by using the command line to skip the OS check. "(Drive letter or path): setup
XP is probably better if you have a 64 bit processor, but otherwise I don't see what advantages it would have. I've heard you can get an extra 5-7 FPS in some games out of it... I guess that's something. They aren't releasing Service Packs for 2000 anymore, that is likely something else. Last I heard they are discontinuing them for XP too soon anyway...
Regards,
+2BL
Maybe I'm just weird but I use the web mostly for information. Entertainment is exactly what I don't want in every web page, Ill settle for a site map and a search function and be happy.
Adobe may have a stanglehold on the 2D industry, but just take a look at Autodesk for the real monopoly. Adobe software is pocket change compared to 3D software, and there is no bigger company than Autodesk for that. (Think Studio Max, Maya, Autocad) Granted a 3D package without photoshop or illustrator isn't going to do what you want most likely, but still the numbers are staggering.
Yikes, what state does your niece live in? Did she learn it from a teacher or from a student? That's really strange.
When I went to school the subject of biology and the origin of man didn't even come up until 8th grade. I remember the day my teacher Mr. Elliot told us a disclaimer that if you were highly religious you could be excused from the class about evolution, and he proved the concept if a few days with a petri dish and a weak antibiotic. After the weak bacteria died, only resistant strains were left and subsequent uses of the antibiotic were ineffective. He explained how this worked long term with more advanced organisms over a longer period of time and we went on our way. Heck I don't even remember talking about history until 3rd grade. Strange pre-school, kindergarten, or elementary school that she is attending. I wonder if it is a state school or not. We never talked about religion, but this was in a public school in suburban Philly.
You do have my deepest sympathy.
There isn't a lot of universities having to convince thier students to embrace science, it just doesn't make the news unless they do. For the most part the extremely religious types have thier own schools that they can attend like Holy Cross or BYU. I've got 2 degrees and there was never a question about evolution at either of the universities I attended. One of them was in Pennsylvania and the other in California.
As far as the upswelling of anti-science philisophy that is just part of the South here in the US. You see at one point they lost thier slaves and they really don't know where to place thier ignorant hatred at this point. The school systems are broken down there, the good ol' boy network is in full effect, and it is the home of the most famous terrorist organization in the US, the KKK. Reason and understanding are in short supply down there, and every once and a while they start making some noise just so we all don't forget about them. For a good time, see Colbert interviewing Georgia's Rep who wanted the 10 commandments in a courthouse, but could only name 3 or 4 of them himself.
Just in case they fix it... Screenshot.
BTW- this is dated 6 days ago.
Consoles are catching up so quick that in a few years once the prices come down and the online services are more developed there may be little reason to game on a PC anymore. If the consoles dont have a keyboard addon I'm sure they'll have something else.
Then of course there is the cheaters, which seem to be far more rare on console online services than in PC games. No, I don't think I'll miss PC games, though I have been playing them since the Trash80.
I don't want to shoot anyone, especially in this day and age of instant communications. I would much rather just leave than fight anyone over this. Call it cowardice, I sure don't care. My family emigrated here during WW1 for the exact same shit, so turning around and headed back or going somewhere else doesn't scare me in the least. You might say I am obligated to honor my forefathers by doing what they did, and keeping the family name alive.
You want to fight and die for it, be my guest. Don't expect me to join you.
Guns and rifles? Versus tanks and planes? Good luck with that. I'm sure someone will point out our current war as proof that sticks and stones can "win". Look at the civilian casualties, that is your mother, your sister, your grandpa. I really cannot believe GP got modded +3 insightful for posting this dribble. Yeah go ahead and start a war, destroy everything around you and lose the ones you love, but hey, you won the moral battle right? Right? Ever notice the really smart people in any given country just leave when it turns to shit? No one calls Einstein a coward, yet look what he did.
The old story goes that Washington chopped down the cherry tree, and when asked about it he said "I cannot tell a lie, I chopped down the tree." Think about this... what does it tell you? That Washington was honest? Yeah, it also tells you that he carelessly destroyed his own fathers property and wasn't about to apologize for it. At least, that is how I always interpreted it. That is kinda how you seem too.
I think what our government is turning into is terrible, and I despise it. But fight for it? Hell no, I've been to other countries and I've seen what is available to me if I decide it's time.
But seriously, what you are posting is without a doubt going to attract the exact attention you don't want anyway and could viably be used as a valid excuse for more sweeping powers regarding monitoring this exact type of thing. Talk of armed rebellion, whether consititional or not is bound to get noticed. Once you are on the no fly list, you can't leave. Kind of like that scene in a Bronx Tale. I would suggest that you should take a bit more tact about how you present yourself regarding this topic. It's not about legal and not-legal, it's about stupidity and subtleness. The GP was subtle, you certainly are not. You sound like you can't wait to get to the killing, and that scares me just as much as the FBI.
We should definately take the candy cane barge down the gumdrop river to the land of milk and cookies where you live.
This is terrible news. I had no idea.
Extortion? Probably not in many States. Racketeering? Possibly.
All men are mortal.
Socrates was a man.
Therefore, all men are named Socrates.
It's like RIAA Doug... "BOOM! Footshot!"
I wonder if this had something to do with it. It would seem MS and Sony had some trouble getting thier demos going on time, and Nintendo stole the show.
Perhaps this helped seal the deal for E3 (for now) as the majority of game companies cannot redifine gaming every E3 and stand to get much less press than the big few who try.
As far as Sony not doing anything right lately, the simply have too many divisions that have competing and different needs. They really need to spin off some departments imho. After the root kit incident I really don't care what happens to Sony but if they are going to do outrageous things like that they need to hide it behind a different company name at the very least.
Regards,
a +2 Bathtub Larva
"Look I'm working! I built a bridge to nowhere!"
It's all trucks and tubes to them, they have the technological savvy of slim jim.
The lag on quake 4 multiplayer was enough for me to put it away forever, though I'm sure it has been improved by now. I have a 7800GTX and even at 800x600 with all options turned off it was so vastly different from Quake 3s quickness and responsiveness I still get misty eyed over it. In my opinion however I just doesn't get any sweeter than Quake 3 engine, to me it really feels like an extension of myself on how fast it reacts. Now if we can just get them to make the "unlagged" mod standard issue...
Everything about their press releases scream graphics as well. You certainly aren't going to fill a 40gb dvd with just AI and codebase. They are pushing the graphics angle so hard it almost seems like force feeding.
One thing I do know being a game artist is that it is easier *for me* to put things out in .X than most other things. I don't even like MS but I gotta hand it to them, it's way easier (read: productive) to make games for it than it is for the PS3. (Compressed parallax mapping for DX shaders is a beautiful thing.) Game companies are here to make money, not push the envelope, and as such they won't adopt something that costs 2x as much dev time in order to charge $10 more for a game. It's not about hating on Sony, it's about making money. If Sony makes it hard for game companies to make money, well, whats the point?
Just my 2 cents.
I believe that Carmack is an amazing dev, however I don't think id really understands whats made Doom popular in the first place. For me at least it was never about good graphics or scariness, it was about staying alive versus huge amounts of monsters. With Doom 3 only displaying 3 mobs at any 1 time, I have lost my interest in id games. I guess good graphics can only go so far before we see the mirrors through the smoke.